Doing what you say you will do?

Paul Niklas 02/05/2008 24comments  |  Jump to last
The basic premise of this point is "what is achievement relative to Everton football club." I have deliberated on this myself and no doubt there will be dissenters, however, I look at it this way. At the beginning of the season or even as part of the so called 5 year plan, what did Moyes say he would achieve? One thing is for certain he would not have promised anything he could not deliver.

Take this season: we paid £11 million for Yakubu and brought in some decent players, Pienaar, Jags, Baines and some promising young talent. The cost of that investment was in the region of £17 to 20 million, with the intention of, in my opinion finishing 5th, baring in mind Tottenham, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and Man City would all be investing in players far more than we could afford or in fact at the time needed.

Champions League would no doubt in the discussions at board level have been nice to achieve but you would not raise money on the strength of that happening. Rafael Benitez has spent 140 million on his current team, he bought 16 players to Liverpool pre season with no doubt the promise of the Premier League title or the Champions League and he has delivered nothing by way of winning them, indeed the league performance alone based on that outlay is a disgrace.

Everton this season have played 52 games winning 29 losing 14 and drawing 9, by comparison Liverpool have played 52 games winning 28 losing 8 and drawing 16.

Now I know tactically this season we could have done a bit more: we lost the Fiorentina game based on the team selection in the first leg, but that's history now and we will learn from that. Back to the headline Moyes has delivered (If we finish 5th). We are top of the rest of the Premier League which is realistic as we are financed today and if he does get more money to spend then we should judge him on his deliverables versus his ability both from a finincialoutlay perspective and then as a coach.

You can't argue that really as we have said Chelsea are what they are because they have the money. Time will only tell if Moyes has that luxury, pound for pound though this man has achieved miracles for Everton and it will be tougher again next season with all the others, Tottenham have already started spending a fortune.

For me and for any one in any business, doing what you say you're going to do is testament to how good or bad you are at your job, and therefore David Moyes is good at what he does and we should be thankful we have him as our manager. After all Benitez promises but does not deliver, then blames everyone but himself for his failure, including the Americans who have nothing to do with his team's failure on the pitch this season.

I have harped on enough here but its time we realise we are where we are because of good management.

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Dave Griffin
1   Posted 02/05/2008 at 16:49:32

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One of the best and most sensible posts I have read on here for a long time. Totally agree with everything you say, Paul.
Nick Entwistle
2   Posted 02/05/2008 at 18:06:45

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Hear hear, but forget pound for pound, nil satis... and all that.
Davey Militwitch
3   Posted 02/05/2008 at 18:52:48

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Nil Satis Nisi Optimum indeed, but all good things come to those who wait....
and I think we have waited a lot longer than most. I think Moyes will begin to deliver, depending on his backing in the summer. Forget January transfer windows, this is the business end of the season. Kenwright and co permitting we should be strengthening in depth and in quality, and if we do this then I have no doubts we will win something next year.
Alan Myers
4   Posted 02/05/2008 at 20:33:25

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And there was me thinking it was about time we won something under Moyes. How silly! Everything is dinky-dory and we have only to wait for the expiration of the next five (or is it six?) year plan to have at least got to the final of the Carling Cup or some such. You are right. All things come to those who wait.
Nick Toye
5   Posted 03/05/2008 at 00:24:55

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Great article mate, spot on.
Nick Heady
6   Posted 03/05/2008 at 02:55:48

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Yes, I agree we have made progress under Moyes. Yes, I'm happier this season than I was last. Yes, the team we have now is infinitely better than the one we had ten years ago, but ten years ago I couldn't come home from the pub pissed and have a go about the current state of the Everton team and have anyone listen to me, bar my Tottenham, Chelsea, Man Utd, and Liverpool mates but I can now and I think that has made all of us far more critical than we would of been 10 years ago. Imagine if Mike Lyons had been a player today, I'm sure he would've been tarred with the same brush as ....Phil Neville.

What I'm trying to say is that we are Everton, we dont need no shit from corporate bolllocks, we don't need no shit from fake scandinavian glory hunters, we don't need no shiny new stadium. WE NEED FUCKING GOOD PLAYERS!!! Arsenal can do it... WHY CANT WE?

Derek Thomas
7   Posted 03/05/2008 at 07:27:53

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The point is right, up to a point, the product has, more or less, a little too much hoofball here or there not withstanding, delivered what it said on the label.

BUT! and there is always a but

There is the unspoken premise in stating goals that this is the minimum NOT the maximum, at least to some of us anyway. Never forget the NSNO factor that runs through some of us like a stick of rock. Then there?s the expectation that this, rightly or wrongly raises.

Now thats where the big problem arises. Not unfulfilled or otherwise promises, but unfulfilled expectations.
Andy Willox
8   Posted 03/05/2008 at 14:26:28

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I always believed that as Evertonians we possessed patience, we have usually had to despite it being tried so many times. The position we were in until Moyes came was dire at the least and perilous at worst. The finances weren?t available to change the side in a wholesale manner and has had to be done piecemeal to create a foundation or platform if you will to continue moving forwards, hence the longer term strategy.

Lacking patience is tantamount to demanding instant success, eg, supporters of the cash cow 4/sky clubs. I know it?s been a long time in coming but we are increasingly optimistic as each season passes under Moyes and all it takes is a quick reminder of games against Wimbledon and Coventry to snap us back into the realms of reality and a ?there but for the grace of God? mood. That alone shows how far Moyes has surely and astutely IMHO brought us.

Steven May
9   Posted 03/05/2008 at 15:02:00

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It's official. According to the Times today we have the best pound for pound manager in the Premier League.

According to the Fink Tank, David Moyes is better than all the other managers that would be more suitable for "taking us to the next level.....".

Well that's what they say!

Davey Nell
10   Posted 03/05/2008 at 16:24:23

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Villa are 0-2 down.... This is turning into a good week for the Blues.......
Jan Arild Bjørnsson
11   Posted 03/05/2008 at 16:48:02

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Villa losing? I thought Everton was the only team that never wins when it really matters.
James Dawson
12   Posted 03/05/2008 at 16:31:55

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Moyes - Manager of the Year?? Certainly The Times thinks so - based on positions and monetary restraints. In fact, if you look at the graphic in the paper itself (rather than the online report) he comes out well ahead of Fergie.
Sebastion St.Clare
13   Posted 03/05/2008 at 17:42:03

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Today`s Times gives a business view on the `best pound for pound` manager in the Prem and ? surprise, surprise ? Our Davey comes out on top for the second time in four years. I always knew we had a good `un!
Ray Esther
14   Posted 03/05/2008 at 18:57:47

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I've not been a Moyes fan but this season his attempts at getting the team to play the ball on the ground have won me round. He is definitely taking us forward and I have now turned full circle and am right behind him. He is the man to lead us back to glory but he needs the backing of a Board who can share his ambitions and give him the cash to bring in the better quality players that will see us overtake the RS. We have a core of young ambitious footballers who, and this is essential for success, want to do their best for the club and its supporters. More power to Mr Moyes he now has the backing of the majority of supporters, onwards and upwards. Well done Davey. (ps: Get shut of Johnson and get Kenny Miller in?)
Adam Wightman
15   Posted 03/05/2008 at 19:48:18

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Great Post! Most refreshing post I have read on here in a while. 10/10 Paul. COYB
Ian Stewart
16   Posted 03/05/2008 at 22:13:39

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Great post Paul and I fully agree with you. Whether we like it or not the odds are hugely stacked infavour of the Sky 4 because they are 95% sure of qualifying for the Champions league gravy train every year.

If just one club, and lets hope its us, can break into the top tier then at least 3 of the 4 would have to budget with one eye on not qualifying. Leeds have shown us what happens if you rely on revenue that isnt guaranteed. Only Chelski operate to a different set of rules, so long as Roman doesnt find another toy to play with. Man U and Arsenal have the advantage of 20,000 to 30,000 extra every home game. So the weakest link are the RS. Lets go for them again next year with a bigger stronger squad, more experience and a much better manager.

I know this has nothing to do with the actual players etc but these days money talks.
Mark Perry
17   Posted 03/05/2008 at 23:03:14

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Great post, I fully agree
Steve Dooley
18   Posted 04/05/2008 at 00:42:00

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Can?t agree more. Moyes has done a fantastic job and has turned us from almost certain relegation to a team fighting for Europe every year. By the law of averages, we will win something soon (and shut up the whingers). COYB
mick wrende
19   Posted 04/05/2008 at 07:25:25

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Spot on? This article is a typical load of crap. Once again we have weak minded Evertonians who are prepared to settle for nothing. The UEFA cup, FA cup and 4th spot were there for the taking but Moyes has bottled it yet again. No glory days out for the fans just the failure of 5th place - and for what? - so we can cock up the the UEFA cup again. Whats the point? Moyes has said we are a long way from catching the top 4 so why not try and win something. If I said to my boss I will get the 5th most sales orders I would be sacked. Oh for a few Evertonians with some ambition. Settle for 5th? You must be joking.
Bilbo Baggins
20   Posted 04/05/2008 at 09:08:05

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Is Kenwright exempt from this ??? Surley he and his board need to pruduce some real money so the manager can compete in the transfer market with the likes of West Ham Middlebrough ext.....
Until that happens EFC will never be able to compete with teams above them.
Steve Dooley
21   Posted 04/05/2008 at 09:31:32

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Bilbo, in case you hadnt noticed, the board are trying to get a new stadium to increase revenue streams. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET MORE MONEY. Perhas you have a spare £50k yo donate to the cause. Too many idiots seem to think that club owners can just magic up tens of millions from their peronal slush funds. Abramavich is a one off, the other wealthy owners in the prmiership are in it to make money from the clubs, hence the clubs are borrowed to the hilt. Our current board have created stability, the club is showing progression, the plans to increase tunover are in place, and all of this is being done without reckless borrowing.
Gavin Ramejkis
22   Posted 04/05/2008 at 12:05:02

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Yes to the stability but Everton have won a trophy every decade. We are running out of time to win one this decade, let's hope the potless and clueless BK finds some money this summer to maintain the hard work DM is putting in. Steve Dooley, calm down before you think the Kirkbydome will guarantee anything other than reckless borrowing and little left for the squad.
Alisdair Denny
23   Posted 05/05/2008 at 02:30:46

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Mick, are you implying that 4th place would have been acceptable to you? Where’s YOUR ambition?
Bill Andrew
24   Posted 06/05/2008 at 16:41:37

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Paul

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