Remedial Equations

Great article Tony and one that demonstrates the injustice of this whole affair; I don’t have the answers mate but I am just as frustrated and pissed off that this saga has come this far.

But once again I will say it; lets all thank the YES voters for contributing to this whole fucking nonsense; seriously, what proper fan of EFC would even think for a second how we will survive outside the City boundaries while the shite piss themselves laughing in their lovely new stadium.

Tony, I really don’t agree with much of what you write on here but you hit the nail on the head with this.

The whole ground move saga has dragged on for so long now, I fear that many ’no’ voters are actually letting apathy take the upper hand.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what the fat shit, Wyness wants. I can’t abide this fucking oaf and his slimy low-down ways. The fact he can behave in the manner he does and we, as supporters, sit there and let him systematically destroy everything that the club stands for, is a complete disgrace.

Wyness needs to go, forcibly. Kenwright needs to step aside and let someone with real business acumen take the reigns. What is Richard Branson up to these days?

Well I don’t often agree with this man, but on this occasion I do, although IF we go then we go........however I’ve said it before so here goes again...KEIOC should organise a mass boycot of the opening games of the season, if there really are a majority of fans who hate this idea then only 18000 turning up for the first 4 matches would say it all. So you did’t get a vote, ok so now you do and vote with your feet.

James,

Your comments are duly noted, and I, along with the many thouands of other people who voted "Yes", to attending your masterclasses in "How to be a proper fan of Everton".

I’m just wondering if you personally are going to deliver the course, or whether the numerous other "proper fans" are going to assist.

I would also be grateful if you could publish on TW your course material, perhaps some guidelines and pointers in how to be a "proper fan", so that I can get a head start in this important subject.

Do I need to read the 40 years’ worth of accumulated programmes my father and I have built up from going to the match - would that assist in becoming a "proper fan"?

Or maybe I need to watch some of my old video tapes and DVDs to relive some of the memories of what it was like to be a "proper fan" in the 80s onwards?

Would you suggest I read all of the Everton books I have bought again, so I can attend your masterclass with some idea of what a "proper fan" should think?

Or maybe I should just reflect on the many thousands of memories supporting Everton over the past 30 odd years have given me - now I see the error of my ways, I could analyse my behaviour over these years to see where I have gone wrong, and apply the guiding principles you, and the other "proper fans", are so kindly offering.

Sheesh......

Perfectly reasonable to say you don’t want to go to Kirkby. But the intensifying angry ranting and vitriol towards BK / KW and fellow Evertonian Yes voters is unworthy and demeaning, and more importantly still just hot air leading nowhere.

Do you guys think that using words like "sordid", "injustice" and "disgrace" often enough will somehow make it so? Or that saying over and over "there must be a better alternative for our great club" will somehow magic one into existence?

The facts that you will simply not accept are that Kirkby is a likely destination for the club because we are poor, need additional revenues, and cannot afford anything better. It has nothing whatsoever to do with KW’s bonus (he’d get one whatever we did), or BK believing that it would be better to play in Kirkby than on Stanley Park (he’s not crazy). Given our highly constrained financial situation, Kirkby is a perfectly understandable response, and quite probably the best alternative of a very small number of not particularly brilliant options that we actually have.

Join the real world. It may not be very pleasant (I don’t like it that much myself). But it’s surely better than continuing to float angrily and aimlessly in space, believing things that aren’t true, and hoping for things that aren’t possible.

Tony Marsh

your pissing against the wind lad, KW has previous, but the Jocks saw right through him
The tradgedy is, he isnt even a mediocre con man
I’d have bet my fucking house against Evertonions buying the "magic beans" this guy was selling

When was the last time you met anyone who would admit - in person - to voting yes ??? it would be like admitting you bought a "genuine" Rolex in the aleouse, on April 1st, from this fella in a stripe shirt, who was carrying a bag with the word "swag"wrote on it

I was certain this thing would be called in, but against all logic it still hangs over us like a very dark cloud

There is a phenomenon in psychology called ’splitting’. To avoid inconvenient truths and emotions that you cannot face, you simply split off all the anger and frustration you have, and park it another human being. All problems that you have are suddenly identified as having one and only one source - this evil person. It is very relieving.

This is what is now happening with KW. We are going to Kirkby solely because KW is a corrupt con man. He is purely interested in his bonus (which apparently he will only get if we go to Kirkby), and he has conned BK, and then he has conned all the Yes voters (he is a man of truly magical abilities).

Join the real world. It is not all about evil KW and the magical spells he has cast on us all. It is about the financial state of the club and the situation we are actually in. The truth is painful, but it really is true.

Wow, that’s some sad shite- even by the author’s usual standards.

I can’t believe I’m going to write this but....

I........ agree......... with.......... Tony......... Marsh!

There, I said it! Not often in my life has this happened. I always read your input with interest Tony, and although your negativity towards all things Moyes never fails to leave a bitter taste in the mouth, I’m with you all the way on this issue fella.

I pray every night that the right decision is made for the good of Everton Football Club. I do fear however, that a move to the Tesco Dome will destroy the soul of this great club.

I agree 100% with every word you wrote Tony.Fantastic article which shows just how bad it will be if we move to Kirkby.The whole thing is farcical and is just another way for KW to line his back pocket.

Our great club will go right down the pan if this move goes ahead and when KW goes back under the rock he came from we will be the ones who are stuck with the sinking ship.

I wonder if ,when Kirkby is turned down by GONW-as it surely will be-Wyness will have the decency to fall on his sword?I wouldn’t bet on it.

More to thr point,Harry,if ’calling in’means a delay of two years and the end of the idea’as the fat twat has stated,will he do one together with his pathetic chairman?

Neil, firstly your point about us needing this move to increase revenues...

I think we’d all agree we need to increase revenue. Anyone who’s looked through our annual accounts will see this. However I’m concerned at how much extra revenue this stadium will actually create compared to Goodison. Originally KW stated it would give Moyes an extra £10m a year trasnfer funds. To be honest, I wasn’t overly impressed with that figure and since then, a whole host of ’truthes’ about the costs have come out and I find it hard to trust this mans figures. Putting my doubt in his honesty (and simple maths) aside taking into account the rising costs of steel and concrete since the plans were made (40-50%), the decreased amount we’ll now get for Bellefield, the higher interest payments for loans and the councils bombshell that they’ll not only want the stadium 100 times a year for free but that they’ll also want a percentage of our profits made outside of football...how much of that £10m will Moyes really be getting? Will it be worth moving our club out of the city and lumping it with massive additional debt for £5m a year extra?

Secondly your point about Kirkby being the only stadium we can afford...how do you know that? We’ve been in an exclusivity agreement with Tesco and KMBC for the past 18 months and refused to sit round a table with anyone willing to offer alternatives. I would’ve loved to hear more about Sainsbury’s proposals for Walton Hall Park for instance, but we’ll never know unless we enter into talks with these people. Then there’s the redevelopment of Goodison which BK says simply isn’t possible...where’s the document to prove this? He sanctioned a study on this subject in 2000 which proved it could be done, so where’s his proof now that this has changed?

What a load of rubbish.

Would love to know how just because we are in the Premier league "Money is no Object".

Why do people keep going on about Walton Hall Park.

The council through it out. By saying we could not have the park.

I just hope to God it is called in.
I added my name to the petition yesterday.

I know we are poor but the day we move to Kirby is the day we cease to be Everton. We will be the new MK Dons.

Harry,
If Kirkby goes tits up then why should KW fall on his sword?

He is an employee of the club and has been asked by the board to push through the stadium move to Kirkby, Following your logic then should Ian Ross and the players that supported the move under the instructions of the board also resign?

Rant or no rant there is a very basic truth in that which you have written Tony and I agree with you 100%.

Being an ex-pat I didn’t get a vote but I would have voted no. That said, I don’t believe anyone is corrupt or stupid. I believe they are trying their best to make good 35 years of lack of investment in the club.

I’ll still support the club come what may because I AM a proper fan.

To all the YES voting (funny, I have NEVER come across a yes voter in person) financial "experts" who repeat the mantra that revenue increase is guaranteed by moving to Kirkby I would like to point out that it is they and other supporters who will be expected to pay a premium increase for their seats, food, beer and all other merchandise which will be controlled within the confines of the KFC Tescodome. No haemorrhaging of fans monies to pubs chippies and sweetshops as there won?t be any. If you are happy to be fleeced by the club to increase its revenue then fine. If you have not considered that this will happen then start thinking what it will mean. Your match day ?experience? is going to become a hell of a lot more expensive.

A couple of comments on this thread have used the words "Join the real world". Do they think that moving to Kirkby will be entering their "real world"? Will all the things we weren’t told about the move,like the non-existent public transport,the lack of car parking,the world class stadium which turns out to be ,in the Knowsley Planning document , described as "utilitarian and cost-conscious design ".
(The Council will also get free use of the stadium for a set number of occasions.If we can’t "fit them in" when they want it we will have to pay them compensation. ) Beginning to look a lot less attractive in this "real world" isn’t it. There WILL be people who will not relish the extra cost and inconvenience involved in attending a match in Kirkby on a miserable February night,no matter how long they’ve been a supporter. I’ve been going since 1959-60. I now live in North Wales so the journey will involve the Runcorn Bridge instead of the Tunnel so,parking aside,it’ll make little difference to me. But the thought of the move sickens me. It’s not just the "giving up the city" that bothers me.I just can’t see us being the force we have become in ten years time,with a dwindling support as us older fans stop going and with fewer young fans taking our place.
I’ve never been a fan of a shared stadium before but this city,and the two clubs in it,missed a fantastic opportunity to build a truly World Class Stadium at the Kings Dock.....

Tony

I do not usually agree with you but this time i support your article 100%

The article on the main page relating to a GP re build feasability study conducted in 2000 has pissed me off no end!

If our board had the vision to re develop goodison for a grand total of circa £40mn maybe...... just maybe..... we would now be in a position whereby we would need to be expanding to 60k arena!

If they had redeveloped GP in the 3-4 year time period our club would have benefited from a considerable increase in Turnover from Corporate sales etc...... in turn this would have put more money in the transfer kitty!!!!...... imagine where we would be now if DM had an extra £30mn to spend over the past 2 years??

The last ten years have been an unprecedented glory period in the British economy...... the premier league has benefited massively from this..... big corporates didnt care how much a box would cost as long as there names was there!!!!!

Now as we are approaching the 12th month of "le Crunch" the economy is in a terrible position...... and we are now looking to spend / (raise) £78mn for a stadium in Kirby which will beinferior to the 55k seater stadium that the year 2000 feasability report proposed!!

Until the lack of vision is addressed at the very top then in my opinion we will never be a top 4 club!

Tony

I don’t always agree with you but on this issue I do 100%. Every No voter should encourage every Blue to complete that petition and e-mail Blears and Co directly.

Agree with every single word of that Tony.

Well said Tony i totally agree. Just how the fuck on earth did the majority agree to this fucking shambles. Also i agree with you John Street, Lets vote with our feet and ram this point down the board’s throats. Surely anyone with half brain can see this move to poxy flat pack shed in the middle of a fucking retail park in Kirkby will be the death of ’our’ club. We are not Bolton, Wigan, Reading or any other 2 bob club, we are Everton one the Greatest and most historic clubs in football. We deserve better.

So all you people won’t be going to Kirkby then - well that will solve the transport problem for those of us who do.

I didn’t realise that one of the qualifications of being a ’real fan’ was to stop going as soon as oyur club moves less than 10 miles up the road.

You see, last time I looked I was an Everton FC supporter - not a Goodison Park supporter or a Walton supporter. I go wherever my club goes.

the last lot that refused to move when the club did are now the people who most supporters seem to be so fearful of these days as one of the main arguements appears to be ’what will the Liverpool supporters say’.

Well guess what, I’m an Everton supporter so I don’t give a stuff what Liverpool supporters say.

just out of interest, if Liverpool get their new 70,000 stadium on Stanley Park and we remian in the crumbling shed that has become Goodison Park over the road, do you think that would be a better image to have, gazing across the park at their new superstadium and wandering what might have been as we sit in Goodison Park with our obsructed views and gradually deteriorating stands?

Hi Neil, even with the latest release of figures detrimental to the profits from Destination Kirkby can this plan still have a valid business case? The monies demanded by KMBC were not even included in the original projected figures and KW’s £10m, or "up to £10m" as was pointed out by someone in an older post claiming semantics, figure for transfers is looking even less likely as each latest piece of information regards the project is published in the public domain. As the senior sponsor of the project BK is ultimately responsible for making the decision internally as to whether or not the project is cancelled internally, he can’t lay the blame at KW’s door as he is being used as the project manager of this project. People, myself included, castigate KW for various well published reasons as to his previous "form" in business and his almost identical attempt to do the same at Aberdeen claiming the stadium was falling down and they had to move etc, his acrimonious departure from Australia running a business that failed to promote the Sydney Olympics and out of court settlement with Peter Zhao. I voted against Kirkby not through a hatred of Kirkby but because I believe the site is wrong as Kirkby will never be a city or have the attractions to attract the corporates this project claims will come and suddenly spend great swathes of cash with us or that a town as small as Kirkby will ever be able to support a stadium we were promised that has now been revealed as significantly less, again the smart arses point to semantics but the CEO chose the phrases not me. The glossy brochures did not excite me as artists impressions seldom do, I decided on knowledge of the location through spending years there as a child at relatives and over the last few years at remaining relatives as a visitor. I don’t deny the town needs a major overhaul but has needed this for over forty years and KMBC has done nothing in all that time. From a purely selfish perrspective the lack of parking at the site has alienated my entire match carload of passengers; two disabled passengers that could never do the park and walk, the club still not responded to what they are expected to do, and as a fully able adult I could do the walk but why should I be forced to? I pay a good deal of money to the club I live year in year out, bring three or four similarly well paying passengers to the club, often having to drive from wherever I am working for weekday matches for what can be an 8 hour drive if I am at two of my sites, collect my passengers and onwards to the match, add to that a potential three hour addition for park and ride/walk and sorry the phrase "game over" springs to mind. I’m sure there are literally hundreds or thousands that will find if the access to the match involves several additional hours especially for weekday evening matches they will soon be put off; these matches are seldom sold out as it is. So sorry Neil I have to disagree very strongly again, the sums still don’t add up to me, the project screams failure and stubbornness to acknowledge key failures to me, it is alienating four or five season ticket holders in just one car, a small loss to the club but just how many small losses will it take to snowball to even more loss of income to the club and again impact to the £10m or so which must have an impact to the team? Before I get the usual moronic "don’t need fans like you" pish, have any of you ever paid for my season ticket or fuel or road tax or car servicing or subsidised me and my passengers to and from the match?

I wondered when Tony Marsh would pipe up in this debate.

I’d only say one thing. When the No camp talk about "our club", its not the exclusive preserve of the minority who lost the vote.

All season the only positive article you’ve written about Everton was when you were forced to concede that our 12 game run was great.

Not a positive word on any of the signings, even if you hate Moyes, not a word on finishing in the top ten for the second successive season.

Only your usual negative bile.

Its not something that I’d wish on any fan, but if your not going to Kirkby I can only rejoice that such a negative and bitter character is not around when we parade a cup within Kirkby.

Unfortunately, like that bad penny, I know you’ll be back next season. This time I promise not to bother to even read your articles.

Chris, Every time I go past the waterfont I wonder what might have been re the King’s Dock, state-of-the-art, world-class, banks of the Mersey stadium
I’ll never forgive Kenwright & Co for replacing that vision with a flat-pack on the banks of the Alt

With Kirkby I feel as if I was promised a new bike for Christmas and got a Smith’s gift voucher instead

Join the real world. It is not all about evil KW and the magical spells he has cast on us all. It is about the financial state of the club and the situation we are actually in. The truth is painful, but it really is true.
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Neil Pearce I suggest you join the real world.Keith Wyness was brought to Everton on an annual salary of £400,000 to generate more income for the club and he has failed to deliver.He has outsourced all marketing, and runs his own business in the clubs time, you just could not make it up, and as you say Neil "the truth is painful,but it really is true"

Ajamu, you’ve just stopped me dead when I read ’parade a cup within Kirkby’
One of the happiest days of my life (and, I presume, Tony’s) was 15 May 1966

Still knackered from my first trip to Wembley the day before, I was in the crowd outside St George’s Hall in company with what seemed like the rest of the planet
I’ll take the joy of that day to the grave - hundreds of thousands of Blues - what a feeling of togetherness - a carnival for OUR club in OUR city
Will a tour of the borough to Kirkby Council Offices be the same?

Terry Holland...

How have LCC threw (not "through") out the idea of us having Walton Hall Park when we haven’t even applied to build on it? It was mentioned to Warren Bradley and he said no, just like LCC said no when it was originally suggested a new ground be built on Stanley Park, but that hasn’t stopped the shite has it?

My point is until you follow the correct procedures and place pressure on the council by submitting a planning application you can’t dismiss a site.

At the end of the day drama queens like Tony Marsh will not go - but I don't think its a bad thing, the one hundred or so ?supporters? who will decide not to go will be easily replaced by committed supporters of the club. As for the likes of Phil Bellis and their views of how a future cup parade will be routed, well old Gedney thinks we?ll see a similar model to what Man Utd do, Utd go through Trafford and Manchester and we shall go through Kirkby and Liverpool - no problemo. ;)

Phil Bellis

Your post, more than any shows why the No and Yes camp won?t agree. It's not a debate about facts and figures, its about emotion.

Nothing can be exactly the same.

The only point I?d make it this: staying at Goodison, and doing nothing will do more to kill our club than anything else.

Sure we?ll be within the political boundaries of the City of Liverpool, yippeee!

But when the clowns across the park build their spaceship, we?ll still be in a not fit for purpose stadium, trying to generate increased income from a stadium where overheads will continue to rise.

Given that LCC won?t even let us sell our own property (Bellefield) - can anyone see any real prospect of us getting a new ground, and being able to use that as the basis to compete within the city of Liverpool?

I can?t

Why do you No Voters know best??

It really baffles me the way, you are all so right and that the yes voters and the board are completely wrong.


Phil, How do you know that we wont be standing on the Steps of St Georges hall again. Why cant the Procession start at Kirkby and Finish there.

Oh sorry, you know someone who works for LCC and they are not going to let the thousands of potenial money spending people come in to town

I’ve been saying for ages don’t give them your money and vote with your feet. I’ve had the arse to do it and will not fall for this "loyalty" rubbish or "get behind the team not matter what" shite.

Madden with a bit of luck this project will get lashed by the government and you can go on hunger strike in protest.

One of the most annoying and dissapointing things for me on this whole issue is the fact that there are still Evertonians who are for this abomiable gound move. I could understand why some people were taken in initially re all the propoganda, but to still support it now knowing all the facts is fucking incredible!

It strikes me that these people think they are supporting EFC but they are not ? they are supporting BK and KW blindly, regardless of what facts and figures come out and then trying to justify them to everyone else.

One thing I used to boast about to other mates around the country is how knowledgeable scousers/EFC fans are about their footy... how fucking ridiculous would I look like introducing them to the likes of Madden, Wordsworth, etc who advocate taking MY beloved club out of MY city to a fucking retail park in the middle of nowhere that looks shite and cheap?

It sounds dramatic but my life will change forever the day EFC move to Kirkby, they have always been a constant crux for me, no matter what happens in my life: lose my job, bird leaves me, fall out with family etc.. EFC have always been there, and soon they may not because, as has been pointed out before, MY EFC will be gone and corporate cash cow will be in its place that has nothing to do with EFC whatsoever, and I am dreading this.

Why should the club spend money and follow up on something when Bradley said No?

Twice we have asked to build on a park, twice we have been told no.

Why would you go back and be turned away for a third time?

Tony H,
I’m just presuming that the City of Liverpool won’t pay for the policing, clean-up etc of a reception for a football club from another town
I hope you’re right and one day we’ll see Everton parade a trophy back in the City
Ajamu
Yep...got me there, gulty. Football is about emotions, not just a business; if we all were just concerned about money and trophies we’d do a Rooney now. Those who understand...This club to me is the accumulation of its past as well as the hopes for its future - Will Cuff’s team, Joe Mercer’s et al

I hardly ever agree with Mr Marsh, and yes he does rant, but makes some good points here. I went to the New Wembley to watch England in the rain one cold night not long ago. Trying to get back to London was a nightmare, hardly and transport, tens of thousands of fans. I promised my self never again, not even with a free ticket. If Everton have half the problems then I can see lots of missing supporters within a short space of time. Imagine taking your kids and then spending two hours getting home in the rain...and ya got beat.......no thanks!
If the move is inevitable, there?s a lot of sorting out to do!

Blaming LCC. is paranoid shite.

LCC bent over backwards to accommodate Everton at Kings Dock. Delaying the final decision by 7 months to see if KENWRIGHT could raise the £30m.

Gregg had the money, the balls and the business acumen to make it work but KENWRIGHT would not allow Gregg to take control.

Did we ever get so much as an explanation from KENWRIGHT why the project fell through? One day it was on the next it was all over and never mentioned again.

We are here because of KENWRIGHT.

He is responsible for the financial mess that the club are in. Kirkby if successful represents his opportunity to sell out at a nice profit, scuttle off back to luvvy-land and fuck the consequences thereafter.

The man is a fraud.

When will you people realise it! The reason Everton are relocating is because your city council did not want and could not be bothered to keep us in your city. KEIOC is a luddite like organisation resenting progress and failing to recognise the truth that Liverpool City Council have done nothing. Throw your bile at those who are trying to do their best to progress our club. It might not be perfect but the surroundings of Kirby cannot possibly be worse than the area that Goodiosn Park located in. A stadium in a retail park sounds like a good idea compared to where we are now. I wonder what visiting supporters think when they see the area around Goodison. At least European games are at night so you can?t really see it. Good luck to the board in their brave move for the future and lets hope that the government does not call it in.

Remember we sing we?re the pride of Merseyside - not Liverpool and we will still be on the banks of the Royal blue Mersey. Remember it?s your city council through their lack of action who have forced us out not the board.

Wouldn’t it be easier for everyone if once and for all we agreed that the "No" voters are stout-hearted, sterling, upright citizens who love Everton FC more than the "Yes" voters who are in turn black-hearted low-lives whose greatest wish is a barely-suppressed desire to take a dump on Dixie’s statue.
Oh and Lyndon/Michael do you really think it’s a wise idea to allow/encourage articles on here that label senior executives at our club liars and accuse them of lining their own pockets? Really? I’d suggest you check with your legal advisers if you think the answer to that question is "Yes".

Whatever happens it will all be down to BK as the majority shareholder. The board are responsible for strategic decisions and the CEO KW for the day to day running of the business. The here and now stuff; marketing, ticketing, catering, etc are down to KW and the long term what is happening to the club is down to BK and his board. Major decisions will need to be authorised by BK before KW can implement them so don’t forget whatever happens who is ultimately responsible.

Gerard Madden (that real Everton supporter who’s nothing to do with Tesco HONEST!) has come up with the most illogical bits of logic I think I’ve ever read.

In fact, it’s so confusing as to be almost...genius.

It is...

"The one hundred or ?supporters? who will decide not to go will be easily replaced by committed supporters of the club"

So let me get this straight.

There are supporters like Tony (and me!) who pack it in if Kirkby happens.

We are ’replaced’ by COMMITTED supporters of the club who presumably aren’t going at the moment (coz obviously, if they ARE going now, they can’t ’replace’ anyone).

If anyone can figure this out please let me know.

(obviously my first thought was to put it down to GM’s usual staggering dumb-as-fuckness, but I’m happy to be proved wrong)

Tony. Re...

"Wouldn?t it be easier for everyone if once and for all we agreed that the "No" voters are stout-hearted, sterling, upright citizens who love Everton FC more than the "Yes" voters who are in turn black-hearted low-lives whose greatest wish is a barely-suppressed desire to take a dump on Dixie?s statue".

Fine - that IS what I think, although I DON’T think you’d take a dump on Dixie’s statue......I mean how would you get up there? (I reckon you’d just go behind it)

Hey Tony, I don’t often agree with you and sure as hell I don’t this time either.

Mike Dunne
Spot on mate

Tony W, you really need to scroll down the page and read below where you submit your comments it clearly states:

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Bryan
We will NOT be on the banks of the Mersey (Kenwright spunked that one away) - The River Alt flows through Kirkby, northwards towards Maghull and Formby and enters the Irish Sea near Hightown
We’ll need to rewrite the song if we want to hang our big city neighbours

Look we either get off our arses and make ourselves heard and fucking protest till we are hoarse or accept it. We are dealing with the most succesful retail company in the UK, do you think that Terry Leahy does not have the ear of the politicians who decide what happens, look at Tesco Allerton Rd, they got their extension despite protest, look at St Helens RL - they got theirs despite protest from Morrisons.
If we dont want to go the only way is boycotting spending anything at the club and telling them why. If we dont buy replica shirts or catering etc. I know it hurts the club financially in the short term but we are talking about our next 100 years somewhere. I dont want my grandkids growin up with some shitty ground outside our boundaries

Time to stand up and be counted

For the record I never received my voting form last year - but had been wayed to vote yes, stupid ? Maybe, Naive ? Definitely - angry - bloody right

We are the frist club of the city of liverpool so why the fuck should we leave.

BK and KW should just see the RS pissing themselves to see that in no way should we ever leave this city

If this is what ensues after giving the fans a vote, then if Kirkby falls through and we eventually somehow find a new opition, then I hope the board makes the decision without a ballot.

crying shame this.

Good post Tony,

What worries me most is that we have a fair few (major) problems off the pitch at the moment, namely: the aforementioned (IMO disastrous) Kirby move and our dire marketting. What if the football starts to match?

It may not be the top four that concerns us but the bottom 3!

You have convinced me Tony thank you you have outlined why a YES vote is so important.

If we move, you will stop going to the matches, then you ll shut up. Wont that be sweet.

Tony Waverleas I would love it just love it if BK or KW tried to take action in court against anyone who they thought had slandered them.Can you imagine Bill Or Kieth trying to prove to the world that they dont tell porkies where EFC is concerned.

What a fucking great laugh that would be.There would be queues a mile long to get in to the court house to listen and watch these two muppets squirm under oath. bring it on I say..Oh by the way you must be a right mug if you think these two clowns are not economical with the truth.

Gavin - you are obviously quite happy for people to be slagging off boar members and calling them liars. I am not.

And don’t try that guff about comments not being checked before they are posted.

for the past 2 weeks, every comment I have posted has come up with a message saying they are ’queued for moderation and will be removed if they are offensive or ’unworthy for inclusion’ they will be deleted.

Now I don’t post offensive comments or posts designed with the sole intention of winding people up, I disagree with people and argue the case, but no more than anybody else on here. So if they can do this to me, why do Tony Marsh et al get allowed to post whatever they want

Hes 100% right...

Chris B with all respect I am not an owner of the website and neither are you, maybe, just maybe your posts are being held for some reason you need to take up with the site owners, the cut and paste was from the bottom of this very screen and not fabricated. Why not contact the site direct, am sure you’ll find a contact email if you look. I’ve had posts held in the past and didn’t get all paranoid about it. Like I have said on plenty of occasions and again if you read "Just like the American Election" post you’ll see a healthy discussion going back and forth. Try asking the question of the website owners, you might just get the reply you are looking for before you make claims of "guff" etc.

It’s not often that I agree with anything Tony Marsh says, but he’s bang on the money with this article.

Gavin
I’m only too familiar with the site’s disclaimer having had posts on a variety of subjects of my own removed on earlier occasions. Posts I may add I considered to be utterly innocous, but, hey-ho there you go.
Free speech is one thing but stating, for example, that Keith Wyness is lining his own pockets at the expense of the cherished traditions of our great club is in my opinion going too far.
Opinions and debate are fine; slander is another matter - as Rooney ,his ghost-writer and publishers would all tell you.

Bellis & Marsh v Kenwright and Briddon

’The King’’s Dock money is ring-fenced’
I rest my case, m’lud

Gavin, I wasn’t disputing the discalimer comment. I was disputing the fact that you implied the website couldn’t stop Tony posting potentially libelous statements.

Clearly they can if they want to, they just choose to let him post whatever he wants without checking it first!

I assume the reason they started checking mine was because I complained at one of the moderators for his condecending reply when somebody asked the whereabout of Alan Whittle - said poster indicated that basically he wasn’t interested and didn’t care, which I took offence at.

The point is that the moderators can stop people posting if they want, but in Tony’s case they don’t

Phil
That’s ok cos everything you and Tony have said is 100% accurate & factually proven I presume!

A few more quotes that leave a lot to be desired.>Wayne Rooney is going nowhere.>The Kings Dock is a done deal. We will deliver a world class stadium.