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Are the fans to blame?

By Thomas Williams :  16/08/2009 :  Comments (36) :

This will likely be controversial but having followed Everton for 40-odd years, a season ticket holder 1969-2002 until I emigrated, I feel someone has to say something to wake our fans out of their malaise.

Yesterday, the biggest disappointment was not the result, but the apathy of the fans. 15 years ago and previous, there would've been screams of "Sack the Board" after the 3rd goal went in... but yesterday nothing; even at the end, although most showed displeasure by walking out, the remainder sang Everton — very admirable but not helping.

It is easy to blame yesterday's debacle on Lescott, be it directly or indirectly, but it is wrong to do so; the issues were there before and will be even if Lescott goes.

The reason being a complete lack of ambition, I don't blame Moyes or the players, they have pulled there tripe out over the last 5-6 seasons only to have the piss taken out of them every close season, when the phony chairman says "we have no money for new players" year on year, why?

Everton's turnover was £40M more than 2 years ago for each of the last 2 seasons, wages only went up by £5M — where is the rest of the money?

Certainly it hasn't been spent on players, over the entirety of the Premier League we have spent £57M net (£3.2M per season). In the last 5 years when we have been more "successful" we have spent $26m net (£4.3M per season) despite all the extra TV money that has come into the club over the last few years, plus £27M from the sale of Rooney... so where is all the money going?

Wages? No; Everton have one of the smallest squads in EPL and we are 14th in the wages league, so if you discount the 3 clubs coming up plus a few that have stayed in EPL, we are in effect paying the lowest wages of the established EPL clubs.

Kenwright has said we are in loads of debt, how is this possible, given the above figures? The debt was down to £35M a few years ago and mortgaged (£2.5M a year?) so how and why has it increased significantly so we can't buy any players? Someone is ripping the club off to the tune of millions in my opinion.

Now, the controversial bit: nearly all fans fell for the Echo's propaganda surrounding Peter Johnson. Johnson, whilst not perfect, did a tremendous amount for EFC (the Academy being the main one) but his problem was he was becoming a threat to the Echo and City Council's darlings across the park, not necessarily on the field, but more off it. For that he paid the price and our own fans fell for the lies told about him.

There is no way he would have sat back and allowed Stanley Park to get the go-ahead for them, when we had already enquired 3 times for Stanley Park and were refused. Kings Dock was a way of getting Everton out of the way, whilst they had a free run on Stanley Park, so Mr Johnson was turfed out to much cheering from our own fans, when others knew the real reason for getting rid of him.

The reason was get a stooge in who will not put up a fight and stall our club, enter Bill Kenwright (read Alan Ball's book where it says BK is a red) and yes PJ was also a red but more importantly he was a business man, unlike our lovey dovey chairman.

Not once has he spoke up in Everton's favour regarding Kings Dock, sale of Bellefield, sale of Goodison, Kirkby call-in, small club jibe —  the list is endless. All of the above we needed a strong chairman to stand up to the Council and Echo but he never did.

PJ put all of his own money into Everton, as did Gregg, but they were both tarnished by Echo propaganda and forced out, and the fans fell for it.

We are being deliberately held back by this chairman; how is it possible that no one is interested in buying Everton? Why would all these investors in EPL consider buying Newcastle, Sunderland, Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham, Portsmouth before Everton?  It doesn't make any sense, the reason is Kenwright is a stooge out and out, and has no intention of selling.

He didn't acquire the measly £30M for Kings Dock; every time we have got close to top 4, he closes the check book. We never got any investment like a load of other clubs did from NTL and Granada, and yet it is all overlooked because "Blue Bill" rescued us from that evil man PJ, who not only lost most of his own personal fortune but his hamper business as well, trying to give us a club we can be proud of.

Everton FC have been deliberately held back by Kenwright, Echo and City Council so that the dark side can be promoted in effect as the only club in the city, and sad to say, the majority of our own fans have fallen for it.

We are Everton. Stand up for Christ's sake and fight back! Get out of the apathy and mediocrity that we now accept as the norm.

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Michael Kenrick
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1   Posted 17/08/2009 at 06:55:40

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So Thomas... Bill Kenwright is a red and Peter Johnson lost all his money giving it to Everton?

I’ve read an awful lot of rubbish in my time as Editor of this site but that takes the cake.

You got one thing right though: for a man who paid about £10M and sold it a few years later for about £20M, he was a pretty good business man, DJ Spuddles notwithstanding.
Paul Gladwell
2   Posted 17/08/2009 at 07:59:23

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I am sick of hearing how the Lescott issue did not have anything to do with Saturdays result.... utter bullshit.

Yes there are other reasons too, but how can this not have an impact when 40,000 people including players and manager approaching the first game are talking nothing but the Lescott issue instead of the game?

We got tonked 6-1 at home to (as Arsenal teams go) an average Arsenal team. The same players at Goodison outplayed a far better Arsenal team last season and yet look at those players on Saturday. There is a big dark cloud hanging over the club and the sooner we get shut of the overpriced fucker the sooner those clouds will move.

However it seems this has become personal with Moyes which is wrong, Moyes has behaved with great dignity with all this but it is about time our chairman gets some balls and sits him down to tell him what most Evertonians feel.

I cringed at the boos on Saturday not for Lescott but for our good name, but I also cringed at the ’one Joleon Lescott’ shouts as he does not deserve such support, let's get shut and move forward.

Mike Gwyer
3   Posted 17/08/2009 at 09:08:45

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Of course the Lescott issue is to blame (alright, let's include keeping Hibbert at RB). The back 4 looked out of sync and almost scared of each other.

However, according to the media, Davey boy is a top manager and no fucker from Citeeeeeh is going to fuck him about.

Logic however tells you that Lescott must go, and soon. We can all speculate what he can do with the cash, personally I would take the £20m and Petrov (maybe Dunne as well).

Lescott has to go, but I’m afraid Davey doesn’t quite see it like that.
Chris Matheson
4   Posted 17/08/2009 at 09:13:37

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Thomas, I suspect Michael has responded better than I could, but here goes.

The central point of your article is fair: that we supporters are too passive. But all of that argument is obliterated when you remember Johnson in the way you do. It is rather like saying, "I will vote Tory because Thatcher wasn’t that bad after all." I loathe Kenwright and his lies and his Kirkby strategy and his refusal to move over for someone with real financial clout and business acumen. But please don’t let any of that cloud your views about Johnson who was also a disaster for the club.
Kevin Jones
5   Posted 17/08/2009 at 09:26:42

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I put about 4 replies to different threads on here last weeks regarding Lescott, I’ll repeat it for the hard of thinking. He’s put a transfer request in FFS which basically says "I don’t want to play for Everton" how clearer can it be. Sell him now.
Alan Clarke
6   Posted 17/08/2009 at 09:58:28

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Lescott apparently asked not to play as well on Saturday but still a lot of dickheads chanted Lescott’s name. What the fuck was that about? That’s where the fans are to blame, that was a disgrace and shows a lack of respect towards our great club from the fans. Don’t boo but don’t chant his name FFS.

I’m still unsure why Lescott’s to blame for Baines being unable to tackle or Howard not claiming a cross or Yobo not bothering to jump for a header or Hibbert and Osman just being shite.

I still maintain we didn’t look fit enough on Saturday. The players were blowing through their arses after half an hour. They looked like me playing 5-a-side. I think Moyes has been so worried about the size of the squad, he’s not bothered to push the players hard enough pre-season. 2 yard passes weren’t sticking and players weren’t tracking their men. Our form will pick up in September when the players finally find their fitness. This is criminal from Moyes. There’s no excuse for a manager on £3.5 million and players being paid millions not being prepared for the season.

As far as the apathy goes, people are still hoping this may have been a one-off, after all we did finish 5th. If Burnley and Wigan twat us 6-1 then the attitude will change.
Phil Bellis
7   Posted 17/08/2009 at 10:04:34

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Thomas
You’re spot on about one thing - the apathy. In the Lower Gwladys the people around me sat in stunned silence as the debacle unfolded. I think, like Nil Satis Nisi Mediocritis, it’s an age thing; if you’ve never seen Ball, Wilson, Young, Kay, Dave Thomas, Reid etc you’ll believe this ’realist’, ’pragmatist’ "it’s the best we can do ’cos we used to be worse" crap.

As for no money, fifth two years running in the richest league in the world and we use the coming season’s TV money to service an overdraft? Years ago there’d have been a fucking riot; fans on the pitch confronting the Directors’ box - no wonder they don’t dish out cushions anymore...

I stayed to the end, more to see what the response was at the final whistle but, apart from the odd ’get the Kirkby money out, Kenwright’, there was no audible protest — too depressed and worn down I presume.

Two things I’ll take away...the ’Lescott for Tottenham’ shout from the away fans and ’we want two’ from the depressed but morbidly funny Lower Gwladys.

Ciarán McGlone
8   Posted 17/08/2009 at 10:18:57

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The premise of the article is spot on..how much longer will Evertonians meekly capitulate to Kenwright’s mismanagement of this club - what will it take before they realise that ’being a blue’ doesn’t matter a fuck if he’s running the club into the ground...

When will enough actually be enough! I guess it’s a sign of the times that militancy has almost beeb bred out of us....

On a side note...did anybody hear the rumour that Hibbert had a go at Lescott before the match? Is there any truth in it..
Peter Benson
9   Posted 17/08/2009 at 10:55:28

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What did Alan Ball say about Kenwright?
Terry Maddock
10   Posted 17/08/2009 at 10:55:54

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Thomas, you say "over the entirety of the Premier League we have spent £57M net". You then ask, where has the money gone? Now I'm not saying this is accurate to the penny but, as I remember, we have made a profit twice in the last ten years... last year being one of them... the grand sum of £26k.

So if you spend £57M but only make let's say £10M by my maths (and it's been nearly 30 years since school), I'd guess we are about £47M down...

So I reckon most of the money has gone and is still going to two places: 1) The Bank; 2) The greedy cunts on the pitch and their agents... which is why we have a probable £100M debt, no money for players, no money to improve or move (without an enabler), and probably the reason why we do our business so late. The five or six weeks wages from 2 or 3 players is worth a lot to a club of Everton's financial bearing.

It's not going to Bill and it's not being "ring-fenced" for Kirkby... because there is fuck all to ring-fence!!

Dave Wilson
11   Posted 17/08/2009 at 12:18:20

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Ciarán

Micky Quinn reported on Talk Sport yesterday that Lescott had told Moyes BEFORE Saturday's game that he didn't feel mentaly prepared. The mighty one believed several players were unhappy with Lescott, not just Hibbert. If there is a grain of truth in this, then it simply can't be allowed to drag on any further.
David O'Keefe
12   Posted 17/08/2009 at 12:18:26

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There is somebody out there refusing to accept the status quo and willing to put together a challenge against Bill and the Board:

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/08-09/comment/fan/article.asp?submissionID=12721
Kurt Knight
13   Posted 17/08/2009 at 12:24:55

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Ciaran & Dave are spot on.

This would explain how the big 4 were all seemingly at different games on Saturday. Baines was sitting at a pub - disgusted (and it showed). Hibbert wished he had 20lbs on him so he could have pounded Lescott before the game (and it showed in his play); Yobo looked like the absent minded professor out there. I am used to one mental lapse per game but ffs.

Show Lescott the door and he can swap our blue for that fruity-baby blue they wear in London.

Now boys, show us who you are and kick some ass out there the next few games.

Sorry fellas - forgot Moyes - He spent the game with an odd sensation of having his hands around Hughes’s neck. It helped him forgo for at least a moment, the spectacle that lay before his eyes.
Alan Kirwin
14   Posted 17/08/2009 at 12:44:15

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Thomas, whilst the first part of your article has some merit the rest of it reads like a fantasist’s manifesto. I can only assume you are related to Peter Johnson.

Fans do seem to have become strangely neutered in recent years (must be all that sitting down & prawn sandwiches) & in the old days that would have brought whistles & cushions raining down. Ah, halcyon days. But you’re right, resignation has replaced emotion much of the time.

Your article then goes off with the fairies, only to end with this:

"Everton FC have been deliberately held back by Kenwright, Echo and City Council so that the dark side can be promoted in effect as the only club in the city, and sad to say, the majority of our own fans have fallen for it."

Final proof that you really have been reading too much Captain Scarlett.
Tony Williams
15   Posted 17/08/2009 at 12:55:22

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Phil that was about the only highlight of being in the Lower Gwladys on Saturday. It brought a smile to my face, "We want two"

Lescott was probably our best defender, the way Baines was turned inside out for their first goal was scary and Yobo was at his distracted best.
Tony Williams
16   Posted 17/08/2009 at 12:58:16

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Back to the topic at hand, can you advise as to how us fans being more aggressive and in your face is going to magically increase our dope of a chairman’s bank balance?

How does us protesting at games make us more attractive to potential buyers? Let’s face it Johnson was destroying us and luckily enough, at the time a Blue wanted to do something and did, unfortunately he is not wealthy enough now and has served his purpose.

The fact remains that we are not an attractive club to buy, large debt, old ground and now a devided fan base.

Blame the fans!!!!! Blame those useless lumps in the middle not "being in the right frame of mind".... do me a fucking favour will you, not in the right mind!!!, it’s a game of togger, for fuck's sake, not a Psychology A-level.
Steve Cavanagh
17   Posted 17/08/2009 at 12:58:59

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I admire Moyes’s transfer stance re. Lescott but I’m wondering if it’s also stopping any potential signings from committing to ’the dotted line’.
How many of the players (and maybe more-so their agents!) that we’re being linked with might be thinking "well, I like the set-up and everything there but if I don’t fit in they’re not gonna let me go!"
Larry Boner
18   Posted 17/08/2009 at 13:01:47

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I watched in disbelief while a 6 foot 5 inch supposed box to box midfielder, aged 21, was left for dead in a foot race with a 5 foot 8 inch midfielder running 60 yards with the ball for the 5th goal, this summed up the major difference between Everton and the top sides, not lack of pace, but no pace at all antwhere in the side, plus a massive gap in fitness and preparedness for the start of the season, as last year.

Every time Arsenal won the ball they bypassed the static Everton midfield with a simple ball out of defence, the defenders of Arsenal then spreadeagling the Everton team with off the ball running.

Our sole means of building an attack from the back was to launch the ball half the length of the pitch to an offside Jo or Fellaini who due to his lack of heading ability tries to catch everything on his chest ?? The ball would then be re-cycled forward by Arsenal for another counter attack.

It was the 7-0 game all over again and we were desperate for the final whistle, we did nothing that close season either.

Ciarán McGlone
19   Posted 17/08/2009 at 13:24:12

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Tony, Maybe a bit of ear-ache would finally convince him that it’s more than just a few reprobates at the AGM who are not content with his tenure.
Tony Williams
20   Posted 17/08/2009 at 13:33:52

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You’re probably right Ciaran but I have the feeling that he already knows.
Ciarán McGlone
21   Posted 17/08/2009 at 13:51:36

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Tony,

I have a feeling the man is so wrapped up in his persona - that he doesn’t realise the extent of it. His arrogant response to a shareholder at the replacement AGM - just about capture the essence of the man.
Dave Wilson
22   Posted 17/08/2009 at 14:14:16

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If Kenright was under any illusion as to what the majority of Evertonians think of him, he surely isn't now.

Even "The Realists" are running out of excuses now.
Mike Green
23   Posted 17/08/2009 at 14:55:15

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On behalf of the "Realists"......

Saturday was a shocker of a result - no more no less.

However - if there’s one team that is always capable of putting up a cricket score against us it’s Arsenal. The fact that we seemed to stick it on a plate to them this weekend is a worry but I’ll bet Moyes will tear them a few new arseholes over the next few days.

It is also one game in a season of 38. I’ll place money down now that come Halloween we’ll be top 6.

Without being too cynical I’ll bet there were some contributors on the site pulling themselves inside out as each goal went in.
Dave Wilson
24   Posted 17/08/2009 at 15:25:48

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Mike, you more or less some up everything that is wrong with the realist. We finished 5th last year after making some desperate errors early in the season. Most of us were kinda hoping we had learned from the mistakes and we would maybe improve our squad and kick on.

You, as a realist, seem to think reaching 6th would represent some kind of redemption. Sorry but I can't agree; 6th may be acceptable to "The Realist" but the more ambitious Evertonian may just feel like it's another step backwards.

Mike Green
25   Posted 17/08/2009 at 16:33:48

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Dave

This is probably the point in case - I said "top 6" - not "6th" - you just naturally assumed the position I was talking about was the bottom of that group rather than the top.

Look. I agree 100% that there are major concerns the biggest of all is that a club of our standing is unable to add real quality in the positions where it is severly lacking. I am also cynical that we’ll have a superstar unvieled on the last day of the window after BK’s shit or bust wait and see line last year. I’m a Fellaini fan, pretty much, I just think they bought a player with promise, paid over the odds to placate the fans but dont know where to really play him.

This is all straying off the point really - all I’m saying is hang in there, its the first game of the season, lets see where we are in two months time.
Phil Bellis
26   Posted 17/08/2009 at 16:33:33

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The realities were there for all to see (except the cock-eyed Doddy optimists). For twenty-odd minutes we ran about and then collapsed. We had a 5’-4" fullback competing witha 6’-5" grock.

We have bought no-one; Terry says, above that’s ’cos we have no money — in which case, I’d ask how are this Board proposing to fund Kirkby? Tesco loyalty cards? We had nobody on the bench who could change the flow of the gameThe Lescott situation is causing dissension on-field. Did you see the finger-pointing and jabbing after each goal/near miss?

We have once again failed to build on a relatively successful season. We were either, once again, lied to by the CEO re early availability of funds or we are incapable of using said funds to attract the quality needed. What do realists think is the truth re the last point?

Mike Green
27   Posted 17/08/2009 at 17:04:11

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Phil - I think your last point is the reality. You’re one of us now!
Graeme Bradman
28   Posted 17/08/2009 at 17:47:31

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Thomas. Are you a member of Peter Johnson’s family. I have never before heared anybody say a good thing about him. He left us with greatly increased debts and walked away with a good profit.

The Lescott situation did affect the team. Cahill had an awfull game and having been quoted suporting Lescott in the press could be seen on at least 2 occasions giving him a hug before the game (before and after the team was announced). Nothing wrong with that, you may think, but in trying to protect him was he really focused on his own game???

Dave Wilson
29   Posted 17/08/2009 at 19:04:02

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Ok, Mike, fair enough. You did say top six, but you didn't say you’d put money down on us being top Five so I think it’s fair to assume you meant 6th. I can accept your wait and see point, I can even agree with it, I believe a Davey Moyse team will always accumilate around 60 points.

Everton have been the 5th best team in the Prem for a long time now, in that time only really Fellaini has been added to the squad, that simply isn't good enough, every fan wants his team to improve but the Everton board are denying our manager the tools to do the job.

You don't need me to tell you that if you don't move forward in football, you will very quickly find yourself going backwards.

John Andrews
30   Posted 17/08/2009 at 23:38:30

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Mike, Are you on some form of medication? I now really fear for Everton Football Club and I believe it is, once again, all down to Billy Bullshit. How many more times has Moyes got to struggle trying to get some decent players in when he is given no money?

I should add that I am not an enormous fan of Moyes but unless I am very much mistaken he looks a broken man. I will dispute your claims of a top six place by Halloween and if I am wrong I will personally apologise to you.

Thomas Williams
31   Posted 18/08/2009 at 01:05:41

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No, I am not a relation to Peter Johnson, just see things differently.

We were in debt before PJ courtesy of Dr Marsh and cohorts. Peter Johnson established the Academy, the 1st in the Premier League, we are now bearing the fruit of that, with nearly half of our squad having come through it, not to mention the sales of Rooney, Jeffers, Ball which brought in £43M alone and helped our debt. We also won a trophy under PJ as well — no sign of that happening under BK, we all saw the yawning gap at Wembley in May.

Yes, we did establish some debt mainly through buying players, top players I might add (remember them not Championship and injury gambles): Ferguson, Limpar, Kanchelskis, Durrant etc, and yes we had debt of £30M odd.

The goons over the road are over £300M in debt have just spent £37M on two players, Utd similarly £600M+, are there fans bothered about debt? NO, so why have we, Evertonians, all become Chancellor of the Exchequers all of a sudden? Balance the books, blah blah, got no money, blah blah, we have had loads of money into the club in the last 2 years, where has it gone? Kirkby fund? If it has, just come out and say so and stop the fuckin' lies.

Under BK, we have had the embarrassing Kings Dock, allowed the Council to railroad Stanley Park, stop the sale of Goodison and Bellfield, and then force the Government to call in our project, and he said nothing. Now why is that?

It doesn’t matter whether you are chairman of a football club, bank or Sainsbury’s, if another entity is stopping you from running your business, you take action; he has done or said nothing. Which means he doesn’t care or is in on it; either way it is not good.

The other thing he has done, and again the fans just took it on board, virtually ban EGMs, so no dissenting voices can be heard. Have we become so accepting of "Oh well, that's the way it is," because by being that way, we get what we deserve — nothing.

Lescott is the first to go, mark my words as the players see we have no ambition, that is the reality, and the fans are to ready to accept it. Bring back the 70s (when the fans decided who was chairman and manager) I say, cushions and all... lol!

David O'Keefe
32   Posted 18/08/2009 at 06:12:58

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Tommy: Can you please knock this LCC are holding EFC back, you have no evidence to back it up. For example, LCC are not the only objectors, St Helens council, Sefton council and West Lancashire council are objecting as well as the Duke of Westminister — are they holding the club back as well?

In truth, the club have had more help off the council than our red brethren, the council never offered them a £150 million pound stadium for £30 million. That fell through because the club failed to deliver its contribution to the project, the council then pulled the plug on the deal after waiting two years. Yet some would like you to believe that the council has it in for the club, that some would be the Board of Directors.
Dave Wilson
33   Posted 18/08/2009 at 06:19:00

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"So why have we Evertonians all become chancellor of the exchequer all of a sudden ?"
Ha Ha Ha, line of the week.

You make some good points too Thomas, when the BK’S supporters want to point to the last day escapes under PJ’s stewardship, they conveniently forget how incredibly low the clubs debt was, the quality of players we were able to bring in and the small matter of silverware delivered.

To many Blues, PJ was the arch villain from whom BK rescued us, but he did deliver a trophy, if BK is here for another hundred years he’s unlikely to do that, nor will he be outbidding most of the teams in the prem to sign players like the flying Russian

OK Walter Smith wasnt Everton's greatest manager, but how many of us argued that at the time of his appointment? I wonder how things mighta turned out had PJ had the luxury of a David Moyes?

When Walter Smith recommended Davey Moyes to Kenwright, he may as well have handed him a winning lottery ticket.

I’m not defending PJ, I blame him for our current plight if he hadn’t took us so dangerously close to disaster, we wouldn’t have thousands of Evertonians (realist) not only accepting season after season of mediocrity, but actually being grateful for it.
Ciarán McGlone
34   Posted 18/08/2009 at 08:49:29

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Contrary to Michael's initial rebutal...Thomas actually gives quite a balanced view of the Johnson v Kenwright debate...

For me, there’s not much in it — and as soon as Kirkby gets the nod... Kenwright will be 10 lengths ahead with 1 furlong to go.
Dave Wilson
35   Posted 18/08/2009 at 09:05:05

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Sorry Ciarán, But when Kenwright revealed his true colours by telling a shareholder he was bored with his question and he wasn't getting an answer, his lead became unassailable for me.
Ciarán McGlone
36   Posted 18/08/2009 at 09:33:54

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Neck and neck, with Kenwright having a longer neck... and a brass one at that.

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