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Joey Barton perhaps?

By Peter Jones :  19/08/2009 :  Comments (46) :

Fabregas and Song destroyed us in central midfield on the opening day. In the Cup Final it was the same — Lampard ran rings round us in the second half. It's clearer than ever that we desperately need a defensive central midfielder. Rodwell might be the answer but for me he looks like a central defender and he’s only 18.

So who can we bring in? M’bia rejected us, Cana and Cattermole have gone to Sunderland, so not many other defensive central midfielders I can think of. Well there is one, but it's certainly a risk – Joey Barton. Now before you get your angry heads on and have a go at me, just hear me out on this one:

  1. Physical attributes – he’s 26 and has pace and terrific stamina and can physically dominate weaker players. c.f. Neville.
  2. Footballing abilities – he’s a fierce tackler, a decent passer, has a reasonable touch and scores a surprising number of goals.
  3. Premier League experience – unlike taking a chance on foreign players who invariably take time to settle in to the Premier League and then don’t always work out.
  4. He’s a Blue – at least you could be certain he’d give 100%.
  5. Positive Character – he seems a lively positive personality which you need in the dressing room.
  6. He clearly hates losing – some players meekly accept defeat, others will give every ounce of effort to win. The best have an obsessive, all-consuming will to win. I see a bit of this in Barton.
  7. Possibility of deal happening – let’s face it, after this pre-season we can’t underestimate this factor. Newcastle are desperate to reduce their wage bill and get some money in. A bid of £3M to £4M may be enough. Barton himself has said recently he’d love to play for us. So a real chance of deal actually happening if we go for it.
  8. “Can I improve him?” I presume Moyes must consider this before he signs a player. Moyes appears to be an excellent man-manager. The players play for the team rather than playing as individuals. In his career to date, Barton has played in disjointed teams at Man City and Newcastle. Perhaps he could fulfill his potential with us?
  9. Motivation – England have a real weakness in the centre of midfield in that there is no outstanding defensive midfielder. Barry is very capable but not outstanding. Cattermole looks promising for the future. Barton on his day has the ability to dominate a game and very few players can do that. If he came to us and had a great season he could finish it playing in the World Cup. That won’t happen if he stays at Newcastle. What better motivation could he have?

Well that’s enough of the positives, we can’t ignore the negatives. He comes with baggage that’s for sure:

  • His brother; a cowardly, despicable disgrace to humanity if ever there was one. But should Joey Barton be tainted with his crimes? Obviously not. Possibly a positive outcome could result if Joey Barton sought to play a prominent role in fighting against racism.
  • His personality – here lies the big problem. We can’t ignore his history, the attack on his teammate, the cigar incident, the argument with a young Everton fan, the conviction for assault. We all make mistakes but hopefully we learn from them. But Barton keeps making them.
  • However he’s 26 now and he may be thinking that if he gets a chance at Everton its probably the last chance he’ll get to make it at the top level. Perhaps that thought could keep him on the straight and narrow.
  • Or perhaps in his contract include very strict penalty clauses, e.g. his signing on fee is only paid at the end of his contract if he keeps himself out of trouble for the entirety of the contract.

On balance, is it a chance worth taking? Do the positives outweigh the negatives? I think they do and more importantly it’s a chance we can financially afford to take. Finally, its a deal we could feel reasonably confident would be completed if we decided to go for it. A very significant factor in these dark days...

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Pablo Mc
1   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:08:32

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No x 10000000

He’s a disgrace of a man and not much of a player either in my opinion. Moyes would never sign him in a million years for all the reasons you listed above plus a lot more — just ask any Evertonian who was actually present in Thailand what actually happened.

Scum — end of.
Andrew Ellams
2   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:10:52

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Not a chance in hell. He’s bad news on and off the pitch and has no place in professional football
Alan Clarke
3   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:18:54

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No 5. Lively charcater in the dressing room? Bloody hell this has got to be a wind-up? Beating the shit out of his team mates is not a positive personality.
Peter Griffin
4   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:17:25

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Peter- He won’t sign for Everton and Capello won’t pick him.

I’m a scouser and would love to see more local blues in the team but Barton won’t happen.
John Wells
5   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:19:05

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He has got to grow up sometime. One thing for certain is if he was there for the match last week Cesc Fab would not have been waltzing through us like he was. Scum bag (which I agree he is) or not you cannot argue he would have stemmed the tide a little. Roy Keane type of temper. At this stage I’d say fuck it, offer £2.5-3mil!!!!!!
Sam Morrison
6   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:25:26

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He has had several last chances and fucked them all up. He doesn’t return the faith people invest him in and for me it’s a non-starter.
Thomas Christensen
7   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:21:23

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Joey Barton has got to be the worst possible signing - for all the potential benefits he could bring, there are far more very real negatives about him.

Also, I saw the Newcastle game on the box last weekend and he was a yard behind the pace of a championship game...sliding in late, taking down a few players, laughing about it and then picked up a yellow card.. Clearly thick as pig shit.
Anthony Millington
8   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:35:35

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He would have been a really good option, becuase as a footballer he is good enough to make the grade at Everton and would be an ideal replacement for Neville as the sitting midfielder in the team but it’s his history of trouble-making that holds him back. Signing Barton might have a negative influence on other players who may not be relishing the thought of training and playing alongside him.
Mark Stone
9   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:43:08

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Nice, pointless, amatuer scouting report, Peter. On the balance of it I’d say it looks like a good idea ... how do we go about it?

I’ll put a quick call in to Chris Hughton with a 3m offer to get the ball rolling, could you get onto Moyes, and Barton’s agent to let them know what’s going on? What do you want to offer him in wages? Shall I invite him round to mine to read through the contract?
Col Wills
10   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:46:22

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Would you really want him to be representing Everton Football Club?? We’d be in the news for ALL the wrong reasons. Some lads just don't deserve to be given a break, certainly not a 4th 5th or 6th one anyway. Be sensible and nominate any one of the many lads who are dedicated, well-behaved and deserve a chance instead.
Peter Griffin
11   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:03:15

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Hopefully Banega will sign and we can put to bed the holding role/Barton issue (at least until the next time).

We never appealed for Obinna’s work permit after it was rejected at the initial hearing as there wasn't time. If Banega gets knocked back tomorrow, hopefully it will be accepted upon appeal.
Tom Campbell
12   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:07:33

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No thanks. Rodwell and Neville are better holding mids in my opinion.
Kevin Hudson
13   Posted 20/08/2009 at 14:56:27

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I had an article published last year, "Bring The Boy Back Home," in the light of his mea culpa interview with Gabby Logan. The piece generated 70-odd lively responses,and was vigorously discussed.

Since then, though, I’m afraid it’s one thing after another with him, and I think he’s a magnet for trouble. I am no longer in favour of seeing him in a blue shirt.

I also don’t think it’s even worthy of debate anymore, despite your balanced article, Peter. I do agree we do need some teeth in the middle of the park though...
Mark Dunford
14   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:08:39

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"No" is the simple answer to the questions posed at the end of this posting.
Thomas Christensen
15   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:14:15

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Peter Griffin - Ever Banega is the type of creative player the likes of Mikel Arteta can only dream about (well almost). Either way he is a winger / come attacking players - he certainly isn’t a holding midfielder like Captain Pip or Lorik Cana / Stephane M’Bia.
Thomas Christensen
16   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:22:23

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Here I’ve just done a YouTube scrap on the lad to back up my claim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNqr-cnU27k

One thing I noticed — how many times is the lad knocked over!!!!
Matthew Mackey
17   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:11:17

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Peter, ... NO, NO, NO !!!!!
I’d rather watch Everton in the Championship with pride intact than sell our soul for 30 pieces of silver. To wear the sacred royal blue shirt you have to earn it off the field as well as on. Not even Moyes could tame this ferrell and feckless excuse for a human being.
Remember the moto:- Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
Matthew Tait
18   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:40:12

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NO x infinity.

You’ve got to be joking.

He’s a thug, a scumbag, a mediocre player, a disruptive influence, he’s suspended all the time. He’s not fit to wear the jersey.

Seriously, no. I’d rather have Robbie Savage. I’d rather have Don Hutchison on crutches. I’d rather start each game with 10 men.

Just no.
Peter Griffin
19   Posted 20/08/2009 at 15:59:19

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Thomas Christensen - Winger? I beg to differ, although comfortable on the ball he’s more like mascherano than ronaldo, but we’ll agree to disagree and hopefully we’ll see him playing before too long.
Thomas Christensen
20   Posted 20/08/2009 at 16:04:54

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Hopefully.

Have a look at the You Tube footage, it doesn’t show him doing much tackling...but a fair amount of falling over so perhaps he is more like Ronaldo - haha!!
Chad Schofield
21   Posted 20/08/2009 at 16:08:33

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FFS,

Hitler would be a more welcome addition.
Ciarán McGlone
22   Posted 20/08/2009 at 16:45:38

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Has Dave paid that fiver yet?
Gerard Quinn
23   Posted 20/08/2009 at 17:21:47

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That’s five minutes of my life I’ll never have back Peter. Next time you’re inspired in this way to solve our defensive midfield problems, keep it to yourself.

Then only one person’s mind will have been polluted with this garbage. Joey Barton shouldn’t be allowed on a football pitch, never mind in the Royal Blue. End of.
Andy Crooks
24   Posted 20/08/2009 at 17:19:10

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If Joey Barton is ever to save his career then it will be at Everton under the guidance of David Moyes. My own view is that he’s worth a chance. Is there any poster on this site who hasn’t fucked up? There are two sides to every story and I believe that Joey Barton has another side to him that could make him and Evertonian.
Neil Humphrey
25   Posted 20/08/2009 at 17:39:58

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I can honestly say that I would rather we sign Robert Mugabe, Osama Bin Laden, or Peter Sutcliffe. The effect on team morale would be the same, as would the improvement in the quality of our football. Barton is utter pondscum, plain and simple, and is not even as good a footballer as people make him out to be.

And in case you were wondering, Mugabe plays right back, Bin Laden is a box-to-box midfielder and Sutcliffe is a pacy winger.
Jay Harris
26   Posted 20/08/2009 at 17:42:48

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The only positive thing to say about Barton is that he would have thumped Lescott instead of threatening him a la Hibbo.

Otherwise the man is the scum of the earth and has no place in football.

Sums up the football authorities that he is still allowed to play professional football.
Richard Osborne
27   Posted 20/08/2009 at 17:46:46

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Neil, I’ve heard Bin Laden is more of a centre-back. He has been described as a player who ’takes no prisoners’.

Mugabe is great and would really dictate midfield play.

I’m not sure about Sutcliffe though. I’ve heard his fellow players keep having to bail him out and he gets away with murder!

The bar has been raised my literary friends........
Neil Humphrey
28   Posted 20/08/2009 at 17:53:48

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Bin Laden also has more chance of getting a work permit than that Argentine lad we are being linked with!
James Stewart
29   Posted 20/08/2009 at 17:52:51

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No Way! I would have to consider boycotting matches if he were signed! SCUM, end of.

Thomas Christensen - Banega is not a winger and his natural position is DM. I can see him playing more central midfield though in the EPL. He is actually a terrific tackler i guess that doesnt make for great youtube videos though.
Kevin Hudson
30   Posted 20/08/2009 at 18:18:08

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How about this for a team:
-1: Pol Pot
-2: Idi Amin
-3: Jeffrey Dahmer
-4: King Herod
-5: Robbie Williams
-6: Richard Nixon
-7: Peter Mandelson
-8: Tony Marsh
-9: Montgomery Burns
-10: Mel Gibson
-11: Rafa Benitez

Subs: Piers Morgan, Satan, George W Bush, Jimmy Saville, My Boss, Prince Phillip, Alexei Sayle & Joleon Lescott.

Manager: Gary Lineker
Tony Marsh
31   Posted 20/08/2009 at 19:24:37

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Kevin Hudson, Pom Pom boy or wet sponge man.
Nathan O'Hagan
32   Posted 20/08/2009 at 19:52:25

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No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
Steve Mink
33   Posted 20/08/2009 at 21:12:35

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Kevin Hudson

Laughing like a drain here.
Matthew Tait
34   Posted 20/08/2009 at 23:40:04

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Kevin - how does Barmby not at least make the bench??

Also - no way is Idi Amin a fullback, have you seen the guy? Centreback in the Vinny Jones mold, nailed on.
Jamie Sweet
35   Posted 21/08/2009 at 01:35:55

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Great list Kevin. I would rather see every single one of those step out in blue at Goodison over Joey Barton (apart from maybe Rafa, but only coz he’s out of shape and my local Tapas Bar is already really short-staffed as it is!)
I can imagine Marsh having a bad game then popping straight on here to complain about what a pile of shite he is!
Kirk McArdle
36   Posted 21/08/2009 at 03:10:01

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Pissing my pants boys. Thought the thread was a complete waste of my time but the last 5 or 6 posts.
Genius.
But where is Gordon Brown and his Physio Alaistair Darling. You know. The bloke who runs on to help the fallen shite whilst cupping his balls and magic spraying everything until he is ok again?
Zack Yusof
37   Posted 21/08/2009 at 04:34:51

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Richard Osbourne, Kevin Hudson - hats off to you lads... you’ve really got me laughing this Friday morning. Cheers!

On a serious note, no friggin way to the Joey Barton suggestion. No, no,.no, no, no.
Jason Broome
38   Posted 21/08/2009 at 04:41:12

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Kevin Hudson & Jamie Sweet... you both had me laughing my arse off!

WTF: Tony Marsh keeps Hitler, Satan and Kenwright out of the starting XI!

I hear Hitler strokes a mean ball, Lucifer has a few tricks while Kenwright runs the channels and creates space... of which we are still watching!

Oh, and Joey Barton? Like sharing your girl with your best mate. He might help to fill a hole or two but there’ll be hell to pay when he starts giving orders!
Jason Lam
39   Posted 21/08/2009 at 07:49:28

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Perhaps NOT!
Chad Schofield
40   Posted 21/08/2009 at 10:28:10

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Ha ha ha Kevin Hudson, Surely Big Ron could fit in somewhere!!
Steven Twine
41   Posted 21/08/2009 at 13:02:36

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Peter jones how many pints did you have before writing that? He is a mad man who causes destruction where ever he is. No no no!
Alan Wainwright
42   Posted 21/08/2009 at 17:33:11

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Never in a millions years.

This guy has a serious psychological/anger problem, which considering his brothers’ heinous crimes, appears to be a family trait.

No football manager is capable of resolving this. Not even Moysey.

Alan Wainwright
43   Posted 21/08/2009 at 17:37:57

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He’s probably already on his way round to beat me up after reading this...!.
Jimmy Saville
44   Posted 21/08/2009 at 18:40:45

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Peter Jones... the Peter Jones of Dragon’s Den?
Trevor Williams
45   Posted 21/08/2009 at 19:40:01

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Kevin Hudson... How about that Lybian terrorist?

He available on a free transfer. Not sure he could do the 90 though but you have to consider him.
Alan Noon
46   Posted 22/08/2009 at 16:32:57

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So the concensus seems to be No then? Would make life interesting though wouldn’t it?

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