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“Let's put it in perspective”?

By Zaid Omar :  22/10/2009 :  Comments (31) :

The post-match reaction to the five-nil drubbing of Everton by Benfica speaks volumes of David Moyes and his inability to accept the fact that Everton Football Club will never ever progress further under his management. It's as plain and simple as that.

Statements like “let's put it in perspective and, “I have nothing but praise for the players”... What the fuck!?! Tell that to the 6,000-odd supporters who made the trip down to Portugal. After being outclassed , humiliated and given a footballing lesson, you come out and sing the praises of players who have put Everton in the record books for all the wrong reasons.

I do realize that we had a severely depleted team and players who were forced to play out of position, but unfortunately that’s the consequence of competing in Europe, and on the domestic front with a squad short of numbers and quality. We knew that at the start of the season but, thanks to David Moyes and his dithering in the transfer market, we now find ourselves in a precarious position.

So what now? The manner of this defeat rings alarm bells, and is likely to have a considerable impact on team morale and progress this season – for a number of reasons:

a) Our big guns (Mikel Arteta and Phil Jagielka) are still a month (at least) away from a return.

Given the way we are currently playing, it is very probable that they will join a first team that has been knocked out of the League Cup and is languishing in the bottom half of the table, and probably even fighting for qualification into the knock out stages of the Europa league.

The weight of expectation is likely to be too much for these players, who have been out for over six months with serious injuries. Expecting an immediate return of the ‘Arteta’ and ‘Jagielka’ that we are accustomed to, would be unrealistic.

b) The Stoke, Wolves and Benfica games have indicated clearly that Everton are currently struggling to play the consistent level of football, expected of a team wanting to compete for a top-six finish and to compete with quality teams from Europe.

With Everton's 5th place finish over the last couple of seasons, teams now taking on Everton inevitably raise their games in anticipation of competing against a ‘quality’ team. David Moyes has shown that he is currently unable to raise the quality of Everton's game to breakdown such opposition. And I honestly fear that he is unable to do so with the current batch. They want to play with the big boys... but unfortunately they don’t know how too!!

c) The next month for Everton is where I feel the vulnerabilities in the team will be ruthlessly exposed. If Moyes and Everton thought Wolves and Stoke were a tough nut to crack, wait till they see Bolton, Spurs, Villa, Benfica, United and Liverpool in the not too distant future.

I find it totally inconceivable that, with the current personnel and quality of football, that we can come out at the end of November with smiling faces. It could get ugly — or should I say, uglier.

I know I may come across as being unduly pessimistic, but being South African, and looking at the state of our current national team, you can clearly understand why!! I hope that I am wrong, and Everton are able to string together some good performances, but unfortunately all the evidence points towards a team, worn out, stale of ideas and creativity, and craving a new direction.

On a positive note, I look forward to seeing all you Evertonians in South Africa next year. It promises to be an amazing World Cup.

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Gareth Humphreys
1   Posted 23/10/2009 at 07:19:23

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Not progress under his management? Wake up. Anyone on here care to tell me what other players he could have used either last night or on Saturday?
Exacty.
For fucks sake - it could be argued that last night we had a completely second string back 4 out and the midifield was without our Captain and its 2 creative players.
And finally playing with Jo is like playing with 10 men anyway. He still remains without doubt the worst player I have seen in an everton shirt in 20 years.
Stewart Littler
2   Posted 23/10/2009 at 07:46:28

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"I do realize that we had a severely depleted team and players ... forced to play out of position, but unfortunately that’s the consequence of competing in Europe, ... with a squad short of numbers and quality. We knew that at the start of the season but, thanks to David Moyes and his dithering in the transfer market, we now find ourselves in a precarious position"

First of all, we knew we were without Jags, Arteta, Yak and Anichebe at the start of the season. One of those has returned, and indeed played last night. We DID NOT know at the start of the season that we would be without Yobo, Baines, Pienaar, Osman and Neville too. So I think it’s a little unfair to suggest that we knew we’d be that short and did nothing about it. At the same time, Ken made the excellent point in his match report that we signed two players who were ineligible to play last night. Neill and Heitinga in that defence would have made a world of difference, and I think there has to be a degree of ownership at the top in admitting that mistake.

As for putting it in perspective, I think Moyes is actually correct with this one. It’s not gonna serve any purpose, with 2 games in the next 4 days, to go off on one. And in fairness, we are still in an excellent position to qualify - a point in Athens and a win over BATE would do it me thinks. The mistakes made last night do need to be looked at, and ironed out, but there ain’t the time before we next play so Moyes is adopting the ’let’s just get on with it’ approach, which is all he can do.
Steve Rowson
3   Posted 23/10/2009 at 08:05:30

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So what do you expect Moyes to say?! I have only watched the first half but we looked pretty good stroking the ball around and playing with some confidence. True, we looked fragile in defence but that’s what happens when you have inexperience up against class.We have an injury list longer than Phil Thompson’s nose and Moyes still gets criticised.
Steve Rowson
4   Posted 23/10/2009 at 08:05:30

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So what do you expect Moyes to say?! I have only watched the first half but we looked pretty good stroking the ball around and playing with some confidence. True, we looked fragile in defence but that’s what happens when you have inexperience up against class.We have an injury list longer than Phil Thompson’s nose and Moyes still gets criticised.
David Hallwood
5   Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:06:21

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And finally playing with Jo is like playing with 10 men anyway. He still remains without doubt the worst player I have seen in an everton shirt in 20 years

Wrong Gareth. That honour goes to Claus Thomsen
Sean McNally
6   Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:15:30

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Hibbert Rodwell Distin Billy

Gosling Cahill Fellaini Jo

Yak Saha



Anyone on here care to tell me what other players he could have used either last night or on Saturday?

Gareth, this is a much more balanced line up, I could see it. Why can’t you?
James Stewart
7   Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:23:34

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Any team that Moyes is manager of would have been embarrassed last night.

He simply can’t cope when put up against a proper skillful footballing side.
Sie Thomas
8   Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:02:47

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Ok so it was not the result we all wanted right, but with the amount of injuries we have and the amount of games we have to play this week then it is not the end of the world. We are still in the competition and still in a healthy position to qualify. The important thing is we qualify from this group surely. I am gutted about the result but if we get through then last nights stuffing is not the be all and end all.

I would be more pissed of if the result meant we are out, but we are not! We are still in the competition and still looking good to qualify.
Stefan Tosev
9   Posted 23/10/2009 at 09:45:37

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Tsk, tsk hindsight – what a wonderful thing eh Sean. Let’s start Rodwell as CB? Ok Sean, you may or you may not have seen the Blackpool or Coventry game, but Rodwell was badly exposed as a CB there:
Blackpool”The Blues once again had Jack Rodwell standing in for Joleon Lescott
at centre half alongside Joseph Yobo and it was the two who contrived
to allow David Vaughan to sprint through the middle of defence with
the ball to put the home side into an early lead.”

Coventry “Michael Doyle turned in a Morrison cross to make it 1-1 ten minutes before half time, shambolic defending from Everton, Rodwell in particular”

Maybe that’s why Hibbert was preferred to Rodwell, moreover he did a very good job at BATE playing CB in European game with aplomb.

Next, Billy as a left back? I will tell you something buddy if DM opted for your option there would have been a riot on this pages, you need to look no more then the match thread, after his substitution.

Next, Gosling either as RB or RM, there would have been no difference based on his performance and again please refresh your memory, read ToffeeWeb a few months ago when was argued and asked “What should Gosling do, to replace Hibbert/Osman(take your pick)? Well the truth is that the guy is still a long, long way to go to break into the first team, either as a RB or RM, but of course acoording to you at RB he sucks but as RM he would have thrived?!?!?!? Joke really


Next, Saha up front with Yakubu, maybe, juuuuust maybe with games looming fast and thick Moyes opted to give his leading and unfortunately injury-prone goalscorer a bit of rest and give Yakubu and Jo playing time together.

Jo, as a left midfielder, so far I haven’t seen anything that suggest that Jo can be a midfielder neither tactical awareness, nor passing, nor tackling, nor work rate, nor positioning, he was tried at Stoke in this role and failed badly.

Cahill and Fellaini together in midfield, buddy again make your mind please, if you are regular here you would know that Cahill and Fellaini cant play together in the same midfield, they are simply too similar…
Jay Woods
10   Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:22:50

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I am stunned at the number of people here defending Moyes in the wake of that criminal performance last night. Your standards are unbelievably low if you think injuries make it okay for last night’s side to play so pitifully bad. I recall Porto, as European Champions, beating an Northern Irish minnows side 5-0 in Portugal in the European Cup some time ago; that’s acceptable. But millionaire professional players from supposedly the best league in the world losing 5-0 in Portugal??? A fucking scandal.
Stefan Tosev
11   Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:20:03

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I am laughing my arse off on your comments but here is a thought, have you ever asked yourself what will happen if Benfica missed Aimar, Di Maria and Luisao, not 12 players just 3 of them

When you can comprehend what is to have 12 senior players missing, Fellaini, Bily and Yakubu half fit, Rodwell jaded and forced to play back 4, that have never played before together, then maybe you will have a point but somehow I doubt it.
Jay Woods
12   Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:30:52

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@ Stefan: Yeah, it’s all so fucking hilarious, isn’t it?
Chris Mckenny
13   Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:27:31

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OK we have injuries but the bottom line is every club has *injuries that is why you need a strong squad in this league; the board and David Moyes knew how many games we had in this period of the season if we where still in every competition (League cup, Europa league) and didn’t sort it out in the transfer market, having ineligible players in the squad is no use & serves no purpose to anyone and just underlines the gross mismanagement on a grand scale on both parts from our Manager and Chairman and they both should be ashamed of themselves for there parts.

*Our manager/chairman knew our two main injuries where long term (Arteta and Jagielka) in the summer and should have addressed these issue’s by finding funds (Chairman) and if funds where available (Manager) signing players who can play in all competitions, lord knows we only had ALL summer but waited till the last minute yet again for some unknown reason or more scarily we do know the reason and are just plan skint. (Waited for Lescott money and if this was the case why not sell early and recruit players who can play in all competitions?) questions question no real answer from the powers that be.

For my club this is not good enough and I can’t speak for others but I for one am not one bit happy with that performance’s in general this season and if any of you are we my friends have very different views of option of where OUR club should be.
Timmy Mongiat
14   Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:32:02

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Seriously it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. We were missing so so many players and going away to a very very good Benefica team. We are still in a great position to qualify and I am fully in support of the decision to bench Saha as he is our best striker when fully fit and the prem game at Bolton is far more important as we were never going to get a result away from home with that team.
And Zaid we wont progress further under Moyes, not because he isnt a good enough manager, because he has worked miracles for us, but because we dont have/or had the finances of the top four, spurs, man city or villa. We cant expect Moyes to keep getting us to fifth or higher when we spend less than every rival above us and every rival below whilst also getting the worse luck with injuries in the last season or two (prob because of a smaller squad). We can hope that money appears from somewhere nexy season so we at least get a fair attempt at going for fourth before man city move out of our reach or we can hope at least to have a lucky season with regards to injuries. But perspective with regards to this result and the grand scheme of things is needed. No team, even the likes of manchester united or chelsea could cope with our injury problems, and we just have to hope that players come back soon, because if we have the majority of our first 11 available then we have a fantastic first team, when several are missing we are an average team with great spirit. It’s not testament of Moyes ability as manager but testament to the net spend of Moyes since he took over.
Jamie Morgan
15   Posted 23/10/2009 at 10:53:03

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The only issue i can point at Moyes is that two fully fit international defenders (Lucas Neill and Jonny Heitinger) were inelligable because we didn;t pull our finger out in the transfer market. And in the case of Neill, moyes cant even blame lack of funds. With those two playing at centre half and defensive midfield things may have been different.

although we probably would have lost 1 or 2 nil. Lets just hope its another kick up the arse we need, we are still level on points at top of european group (i bet Celtic would love to be in our position now).

And fingers crossed that Billy’s not out for long.
Gavin Ramejkis
16   Posted 23/10/2009 at 11:06:30

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Chris McKenny I’ve got to echo the question you and others have raised which is why the fuck did we buy players who are cup tied or inelegible to play in games we knew we had at the end of last season? I gave up last night at four nil it was a good hiding which reminded me too much of those peg salesman in Bucharest tearing Everton a new one not too long ago, those bemoaning injuries have now got to realise injuries and bans happen.

We are on a particular bad run of them at the moment but what the hell do you expect with the smallest squad in the Premier League which has repeatedly decreased in size every season despite the tag best of the rest and regular high finishes in the league and two Wembley appearances last season?

Tony Williams
17   Posted 23/10/2009 at 11:24:20

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"those bemoaning injuries have now got to realise injuries and bans happen"

Gavin, I have never seen a list of injuries as bad as we have had in all the years I have been watching Everton.

Yes injuries and bans happen but we have been so unlucky with the types of injuries to our most influencial players, crutiate ligaments and Yaks foot falling off.

It comes to something when you have to stick a lad with half a foot in at left back in a European game, I think he only started playing again fully for the stiff about 2 weeks ago.

In regards to Neill, that was just a last minute...go on then, do you honestly think that Moyes was watching him and thinking, I wish he would sign for us.
Steve Pugh
18   Posted 23/10/2009 at 12:16:08

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If I recall, we were trying to sign JH for a few weeks before finally signing him. He didn’t want to sign because our pay structure wouldn’t pay his wages. Not because DM dithered, but because the rules of the club wouldn’t allow it. DM, or whoever, kept going until eventually a compromise was reached and JH agreed to join.

And they will both be eligible for the latter stages if we get through. As long as we add them to the submitted squad. Also, they are available for the Carling cup, FA Cup and Prem. So if it wasn’t for the horrendous injury list nobody would even be considering this point.
Ray Robinson
19   Posted 23/10/2009 at 12:32:08

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Just got up after a late return from Portugal so I’m probably not totally coherent yet, so apologies in advance for some random thoughts on last night’s debacle:

Injuries played a huge part yesterday’s performance but to blame everything on that is to miss some underlying points which will still have to be addressed even when the first choice players return, namely the lack of comfort on the ball, creativity and pace that runs through the side, that in turn makes our build up so laboured, slow and predictable.

Contrast that with the way that Benfica were comfortable with the ball at their feet, were quick and incisive with balls inside the fullbacks in particular and with how they got quality balls into the penalty area from wide areas, and you can see that, even with the first team back, we are light years away from the best and always capable of being embarrassed by top teams.

Even with a paltry budget, I believe that Moyes can do better in those respects. I would like to see him take a bold decision in January and sell Fellaini while he still has some value, thereby raising some much needed readies. Quite what he saw / continues to see in this player is beyond me. Also, if returning players permit, Cahill must be given a prolonged rest. A shadow of his former self, he looks burnt out already.
Martin Mason
20   Posted 23/10/2009 at 13:16:56

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I think one key thing to look at is why as a club we have managed to accumulate so many bad injuries. You’d normally see 2 or 3 players out as abnormal (as Liverpool are seeing now) but how can we as a club have so many injuries (and not for the first time)? I see it as something possibly inherently wrong with how they are prepared. Given the tragic lack of pace in the team perhaps they haven’t started training yet?

We have bought squad standard players very badly (as Benitez has) and have completely missed out on players of genuine class. I seriously doubt that we could sell Fellaini for half of what we paid for him, Cahill has no value if he isn’t scoring, Gosling probably isn’t going to make it and we have our top players who’ll come back and need months to get up to speed with a risk of never being the same again.

I hate being negative but I see what could possibly be described as crisis at the club which the injuries are masking.
Ciarán McGlone
21   Posted 23/10/2009 at 13:55:13

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Ray Robinson ..spot on.

You simply can’t blame last night on the missing personnel..Of course it was hardly suitable..

But the problems were basic footballing mistakes and management decisions...we have a hapdash back line...so we switch to a 442 against a side that are reasonably good at keeping the ball..while we play unsuitable midfielders for a 4 man midfield...Mistake #1.

Playing ’established’ players in utterly pointless positions...A la Cahill...Mistake #2.

How anyone cannot see that Jo is utterly useless is beyond me..especially while our top scorer and currently most creative player sits on the bench....Mistake #3.

On the pitch the mistakes were countless..Fellaini (who apparently is half fit [I’d roll my eyes at this point]) was misplacing passes and so was Rodwell...The midfielders were also failing to find space when we were in possession and also failing to close down when we were not...all of which resulted in conceding possession and playing ver deep with Yakubu spending most of his time in his own half...criminal.

This is basic stuff.

James Stewart
22   Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:05:42

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Spot-on, Ray and Ciaran, only point I would argue is that Moyes has not had a paltry budget.

He has actually spent quite a bit if you tally it up.
Howard Don
23   Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:01:12

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I hate these "taken the club as far as he can" cliches. Moyes has done a fantastic job over the past seven years. Who, pray. do you have in mind who will come in an miraculously take us on to the "next level". I don’t forsee a queue of world class managers at the Club’s door if Moyes gets fed up of trying to work miracles every year shopping in the bargain basement for players.

Moyes has built a good squad capable of challenging for honours. Trouble is they’re all on the treatment table, is that his fault? What did anyone seriously expect would happen last night with what he had available, kids making debuts, inexperienced youngsters, players out of position and a bench like a kindergarden. Neither would Fellaini and the Yak have been considered as starters with a full strength squad.

Just one of those things and we’re still well placed in the group.
John Sreet
24   Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:17:13

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I have read a number of times folks saying... "Moyes can’t cope against a footballing side" or "whenever we meet a good team who play football we fall apart".

Seems many of you should stop throwing your toys out of the pram.... Have we never coped against, Arsenal in recent years, against ManUntd, Liverpool, Villa, Tottenham, etc — seems to me we’ve coped pretty well. It might not be fast and free flowing football I grant you that, but we’ve done okay under Moyes.

And for those who say it’s not good enough, well you're about as realistic as those Newcastle fans who talk about themselves as a big club and getting back to where they belong... BIG clubs have money these days history means zilch; Great clubs have tons of it, we happen to be skint...

Wake up, O sleeper!

Jay Harris
25   Posted 23/10/2009 at 14:27:28

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Well said, Howard Don.

How Kenwright and his buddies hardly get a mention while Moyes takes all the stick is beyond me.

Every other manager, even Stoke and Hull, were given funds early in the pre-season to get players in.

Do any of the Moyes critics know what goes on in a preseason, getting the players bonded and understanding the tactics and each other’s roles?

To have to wait until you sell a player to get replacements year after year despite top 5 finishes and Wembley appearances must be soul-destroying for the manager and the players.

The sooner we get a board who is capable of supporting the manager, the sooner we can judge how good he really is.
Ray Robinson
26   Posted 23/10/2009 at 16:55:28

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John Street, while I accept that battling performances ensure that we don’t always go under against top teams, have you forgotten the maulings that we’ve had against Arsenal in recent years?
Richard Jones
27   Posted 23/10/2009 at 20:08:37

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Quite simply we don’t have a squad, we don’t have a squad because our chairman has failed to provide the funds for one, we have a manager over-achiving with the resorces he has and unfortunately will not point the blind in the direction of wear the blame lies when it all goes tits up. Hopefully we’ll still go through and some of us will all forget about it, but some of us know quite well what the route course is, which is stopping this club from being great again.
Ray Kelly
28   Posted 23/10/2009 at 20:45:51

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Benfica didn't give us a footballing lesson and are just an average team. Yes, we would twat them with our full squad fit, that's just no excuse for that humiliation last night.

Sean McNally picked the team right earlier in this piece, Moyes just sat in the dugout and did fuck all as his unbalanced mis-shaped team dragged us to a new history-making low. He now has a few of these in his portfolio, disgracefully.

He sent a team out to represent this Club of ours, devoid of leadership and tactics, happy to take a 2 or 3 goal defeat but couldn't show any leadership when the shit hit. Why he wasn't stalking the technical area screaming at Cahill and Fellaini to fuckin’ wake up is beyond me. We seem to have fans who will make excuses for any fucking shambles Moyes is responsible for...

I fuckin’ despair, one of the lowest points in my 35+ years following our Club.

Steven Jones
29   Posted 23/10/2009 at 21:40:34

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in perspective ..

We had 68% possession last night

--- according to the BBC website stats button

Rodders and Felli doing the ground work - shame the cuttine edge and in particular the crosses poor from Tim and Gosling.

If that first goal with ball-watching Coleman had not gone in, there could have been a different pschology going on as the game developed.

I have a feel that Benfica could be out-muscled and rolled over when we get them back to Goodison and with a full defence out on the park we could go some way to wiping out that bad score line and finish top of the group!!!
Derek Thomas
30   Posted 24/10/2009 at 06:08:46

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John Street.... some might say that Moyes can’t even cope against Shrewsbury, but I couldn’t possibly comment.
Tony Williams
31   Posted 24/10/2009 at 11:29:10

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But Derek what about when we stuffed the Shite 3-0? Anomalies happen!

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