In my opinion acoustics and where supporters are situated is also an issue. Due the acoustics of where the singers are situated, it means that supporters really do need to stand to be able to create a decent atmosphere that travels round the stadium. I’ll make a few suggestions about how to change the atmosphere without people needing to stand up to create an atmosphere.
Bolton fans are constantly criticized for their poor atmosphere but it has far more to do with their stadium than with them. If anyone has been to the Reebok, they would know it gets very windy in the ground so therefore very hard to create an atmosphere.
The problem at Goodison Park is in the Gwladys Street end; about 2,000 vocal supporters who are not under the roof have their voices lost as the sound gets lost or fades away. The material on the underside of the roof means that the atmosphere cannot be heard by many as it just sticks rather than travels. The consequences of this are that virtually means only a few voices are heard. The only time you can hear the crowd is when about 5,000 people are singing in unison which is usually when the team come out.
Another problem is the ridiculous PA system at GP that shouts over the supporters rather than informs them. You have to shout when speaking to somebody a yard away from you.
Although I prefer to stand for comfort, with the leg room not being very good at GP, I think if we are still not allowed to, we should go down another path. Aston Villa create a wonderful atmosphere as proper acoustics have been attached to the roof above where the singers are situated which makes the fans sound far louder. This is why many fans congregate and the back of stands where the roof is at its lowest, so it’s easier to create an atmosphere at clubs such as Liverpool, Aston Villa, Manchester United and Wolves.
Sunderland supporters are constantly praised for the noise they make at home but anyone who’s been there will know that there are about 2,000 supporters who stand for 90 minutes but also they are rewarded with wonderful acoustics in that area. This is why certain clubs use drums to make atmosphere as it’s so hard for supporters to create an atmosphere on their own. Dinamo Zagreb supporters are loud as they use numerous drums which make the supporters sound deafening.
Everton’s vocal supporters have a few options if we are still not allowed to stand. The club could apply proper acoustics to the underside of the roof to improve the atmosphere. The club could allow drums to improve the atmosphere, although Everton supporters may be against this. Another option would be for Everton’s vocal supporters to move to another bit of the stadium where it's easier to create an atmosphere.
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1 Posted 14/01/2010 at 14:23:35
Drums!?! — Anyone bangs a drum near me at the match and they’ll be wearing it as a helmet!
To be quite frank, Chris, you ca'nt create atmosphere — it either happens or it doesn’t. When it happens it’s usually as a result of an exciting match going on and the crowd either being lifted or angered into action.
Unless you want us to become carbon copies of our mawkish neighbours; flag waving dirge singers with a fair contingent there to experience the Anfield experience...
Personally, I go the game to watch football — not take part in a performance.
2 Posted 14/01/2010 at 15:51:33
I suspect that one of the problems may be that unlike the RS and Manure we don’t exactly have an extensive repetoire of songs to get people going.
Also miserable dirges such as YNWA and Fields of Anny Rd are slower tempo and easier to keep up with. Compare the timings of those with Banks of the Royal Blue Mersey, say.....
Then again you can’t beat Kopites are Gobshites for sheer artistic merit
3 Posted 14/01/2010 at 16:03:35
Standing, acoustics, grouping of fans etc won't make Wolves at home in a meaningless game in April an all-singing, all-dancing atmospherefest.
4 Posted 14/01/2010 at 16:35:34
Alan Bowen is responsible for the acoustics at Everton, it’s upto him to get off his backside and sort them out.
By all acounts it’s a relatively cheap job to do as there are a number of beams that can supprt improved acoustics.
However we’ve only been waiting for 40 odd years for them.....
5 Posted 14/01/2010 at 16:44:48
Currently, due to the problems that Chris Butler and myself have been highlighting, the atmosphere is being STIFLED. By addressing the problems mentioned we would get a true representation of what the a proper Everton atmosphere is all about.
6 Posted 14/01/2010 at 17:21:50
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8 Posted 14/01/2010 at 19:16:38
I’d have to say, there is absolutely fuck all wrong with the accoustics, I’ve left the stadium with my ears ringing and no voice plenty of times. The problem seems to lie in what is served on the park, not what kind of egg cartons are placed under the upper tiers.
Chris, can you quote which scientifc report says that the closer you are to drums, the less effect it has? That's a fucking classic that lad. Come and stick your head next to my mates Pork Pie bass drum when he is banging out some Guns N’ Roses, and see what effect it has on you mate...
9 Posted 14/01/2010 at 19:41:25
A proper atmosphere cant be manufactured, it's spontaneous and filled with honest, truthful passion. And to be honest if it's a shit atmosphere because it's a shit game then who’s to blame for that? Not the fans, stadium or lack of musical instruments but the two teams on the pitch.
Anyone that's stood under the Gwladys Street Lower on a derby and seen a goal stuck in and not thought a bomb's gone off either needs their ears testing or their head read, one or the other.
Whatever next? Cheerleaders? Having said that....
10 Posted 14/01/2010 at 19:47:15
I’m sure Chris, you would not have this obsession if you had attended any of the following home games at Goodison in the last 10 years...Man U (Duncan’s header), Villarreal, Fiorentina (2nd leg), Chelski (Carling cup 2nd leg), RS (Cup replay). and that’s just the ones I can recall.
Please don’t tell me the atmosphere would have been any better if the crowd was allowed to stand at these games.
11 Posted 14/01/2010 at 20:08:53
At those matches you describe fans all fans are completely up for it so fans need very little enticement to make a noise. So if everyone is making a noise it compensates for the lack of acoustics.
I’ve been to many a match where there has been loads of singing then spoke to someone outside the middle of the Gwladys St and they’ve said they couldn’t hear us.
How are you gong to get fans to join in with us if they cannot hear us?
12 Posted 14/01/2010 at 20:18:50
Do you agree that fans can feed off the atmosphere generated by others? ie, are you more likely to sing an Everton song if:
a) fans by you are singing Everton songs?
b) no-one is singing/you can’t hear anyone singing?
Fans are enticed into joining in. Acoustics play a large part of that. Improving acoustics is not manufacturing support.
13 Posted 14/01/2010 at 20:49:14
14 Posted 14/01/2010 at 21:42:44
This was in the 50s when I was an impressionable teenager and I have never quite got over it.God bless em, those lovely ladies are probably grannies by now. but I raise my glass to them and the sweet memories they invoked.
Now that was ATMOSPHERE.
15 Posted 14/01/2010 at 22:05:11
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17 Posted 15/01/2010 at 18:42:51
Those who know little of your club's history will be drawn by the awesome spectacle of the fans as well as the success of the team, to have a great atmosphere is to have a great club.
Give me waving banners, hymns, horns, drums, fireworks, twirling scarves before any audience waiting like lords for their entertainment to commence.
18 Posted 15/01/2010 at 22:30:02
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20 Posted 17/01/2010 at 12:34:12
Atmosphere’s like that are getting nipped in the bud too early by:
the stewards at Goodison’s kicking fans out for standing up and starting off songs;
poor ticket distrubtion;
needless sales of tickets on the last row of the Lower St End for matches we don’t sell out for;
and failure to impove acoustics.
It took fans fired up over Lescott and the money City have and a purple patch to overcome the obstacles placed by Everton’s inactivity to help atmosphere.
21 Posted 17/01/2010 at 15:32:44
Personally, I always think that what goes on during the game will always dictate the atmosphere, but on the other hand it is also true that when Goodison has that bearpit atmosphere other teams are often intimidated. Therefore, I’m dead against Brass bands, hooters and drums (they are so Bolton and Blackburn in my book), but the design of the stadium is key to spreading the noise to its greatest effect.
In that respect, Goodison has limitations, but the location of the noisemakers is really important. For instance the atmosphere is so much better if you can get the Park End and Gwladys Street both singing at the same time it’s pretty good and much better than the 80s when the old Park End was often nearly deserted and all the noise came from the Street End.
22 Posted 17/01/2010 at 20:08:34
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25 Posted 19/01/2010 at 15:09:44
Since the 60s the Gwladys St singers have been asking Everton to improve the acoustics in the Gwladys St. This is not an expensive job. They have not ever bothered to do this.
If they cannot be bothered to do something as small as that, they how can we trust them to take any care into the design of a new stadium?
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