“If we can’t do it, other players are going to look to go elsewhere and look for Champions League football and at this stage in my career it’s something I want to do.”Not my quote but that of Tim Cahill, at the end of a piece in the Liverpool Echo addressing the need to qualify for the Europa Cup for next season, and failing that, the necessity to qualify for the CL for the 2011-12 season. He also commented “the midfielder admitted that failure to secure Europa League football could be fatal”.
We have reached a very difficult position in the life of Everton, Moyes and the key players —Cahill, Arteta, Rodwell, Pienaar, Fellaini, Heitinga, Jags, Baines etc. In order to keep them all we need to win something or qualify for the CL; even if we do or don’t, our quality players know their value and I suspect in salary terms its probably 20-30% higher in a CL club than they are getting at Everton.
Qualifying for CL “should” if we progress through the first few rounds at least give us the cash to placate their wants, and hopefully keep the majority of the squad together and hopefully we’ll build on that and go forward.
Failure to qualify and/or failure to progress into the later rounds in the CL would mean total disaster. We will not be able to afford the wages and off they would go, we wouldn’t have cash to recruit . We will become the feeder club once again to the rich and famous and hope beyond any chance of reasoning that our new manager – Brian Laws equivalent can assemble a squad over the next 6-7 years which might get us back initially into the Europa Cup, whilst Moyes and the rest of the above are plying their trade across Europe in the CL.
Fate has decreed that we might have missed our opportunity this season, through appalling injuries, bad board management in late player recruitment and bad Moyes management in not sorting out the Lescott affair sooner. The problem we have is that, probably for the first time under Moyes, we have what we all believe is a team/squad capable of matching the current Top 4/6 clubs but it's arrived too late by about 4 weeks to compete this year. However, it has demonstrated that we have quality players who won't wait around for long to try themselves at the top level with the accompanying rewards.
If we only lose Pienaar this time around, I believe we can cope... but in Cahill’s words, we have only one more chance to succeed.
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1 Posted 23/04/2010 at 18:39:19
2 Posted 23/04/2010 at 18:52:09
3 Posted 23/04/2010 at 19:57:20
4 Posted 23/04/2010 at 20:02:09
We`ll get one shot at the big time, next season may well prove to be our most important to date.
5 Posted 23/04/2010 at 20:46:18
To then get out of the group and into the last 16 takes a few attempts, gaining from the experience each time, unless you get a very easy draw (if such a thing exists in the CL). I don't think we should be getting ahead of ourselves in this regard, and I wouldn't read too much into Tim Cahill's quote — he's just being ambitious.
6 Posted 23/04/2010 at 22:01:00
7 Posted 24/04/2010 at 01:03:30
I mean, we've finished above them once in 23 years and even this season, when they're having their worst season for decades, they're above us. We've never won a European Cup, we've won half the league titles they've won.
My favourite night as an Evertonian was the Bayern Munich semi-final in 1985, and Liverpool are playing in an equivalent game next Thursday even though we say they're useless.
Even in their darkest hour, they're better than us and matching the greatest hour in our history. I've finally given up, it's a lost cause. We are in Liverpool's shadow, always have been, always will be.
8 Posted 24/04/2010 at 02:18:07
And given the pillorying he gets on here from some quarters, can you see a queue for his signature?
He only left Millwall after they failed to secure promotion to the Prem.
Having been fortunate enough to spend an evening with him, he does come across as someone who likes his surroundings, and not someone who needs to change clubs frequently - he's married with kids. He's resolute about returning to Australia when he's no longer up to top flight football. So given I doubt the top 4 here would go for him, I just don't see him moving to Germany, France, Italy wherever.
9 Posted 24/04/2010 at 05:15:44
10 Posted 24/04/2010 at 06:18:51
If he and the rest of the team are craving European football as badly as they (apparently) say, then the ball is in their court. Even considering our terrible start with form and injuries, we still had the chance to make Europe but seem to have thrown it away even with a near full strength team.
If they want it, 9 points would be a nice way of showing it.
11 Posted 24/04/2010 at 08:39:04
Whats with all the RS loving.
I think Cahill was talking about EFC and qualification for Europe, personally, I did not see any reference to those fuck wits across the park.
For me, I do not give a toss what the RS have won or lost, now or in the past. For me, they are a team in decline.
Tim loves EFC. IMO his next step will probably be back to Aussie and get involved with local football — but that's 2 or 3 years away.
12 Posted 24/04/2010 at 09:06:55
I think you are on the wrong site mate. This one is about EVERTON and people here tend not to use phrases like 'Even in their darkest hour, they're better than us and matching the greatest hour in our history. I've finally given up, it's a lost cause. We are in Liverpool's shadow, always have been, always will be'. Taxi for Mr Murphy!!
13 Posted 24/04/2010 at 10:15:51
14 Posted 24/04/2010 at 10:35:28
15 Posted 24/04/2010 at 11:33:45
I love the wide range of disparate opinions on this great EVERTONIAN forum. However, I believe, based on their bitchy little girl comments, that at least one poster on this thread supports Liverpool Football Club. These attempts at covert psychological degradation are simply pathetic.
You should get all dictatorial on their badge/banner ridden redshite asses. Censor them.
16 Posted 24/04/2010 at 12:53:29
I admit to having similar suspicions when I read it first but Greg is an Evertonian and a contributor, posting this thread, for example. And it wasn't so long ago the club itself was telling devoted supporters that "moving out of the shadow of Liverpool FC" was a major reason for Destination Kirkby.
I'm sorry but I don't think his view merits any censorship on my part. Some Evertonians are susceptible to periods of realism and even pessimism; we don't censor for that, I'm afraid.
It's always possible a red relative or friend has usurped Greg's identity but I don't believe that's the case based on the style of writing. I could be wrong... but if it was a genuine post from Greg, your response might be more cause for concern to me...
17 Posted 24/04/2010 at 13:12:08
18 Posted 24/04/2010 at 13:31:16
19 Posted 24/04/2010 at 13:55:22
I'd love to know what CL team he thinks he could get into on a regular basis....
20 Posted 24/04/2010 at 17:30:27
Also, Andrew Heaton, I tend to agree with you, that's where he will play CL football, maybe in 2 years time.
21 Posted 24/04/2010 at 18:22:30
Also, Mr McGloomy never misses an opportunity to have a pop at Cahill, does he?
22 Posted 24/04/2010 at 18:34:19
23 Posted 24/04/2010 at 18:48:20
Fear not! The rumours (it's about that time of the season) of an imminent takeover are circling again with the whisper du jour being that Sir Phil has lost interest now that Kirkby is off the table. Pinches of salt at the ready...
24 Posted 24/04/2010 at 19:46:03
If Cahill can't secure CL qualification with us next season then the chance will have passed him by. I would like to remind him he was part of the team that lost to Villarreal so it's not like Everton haven't given him that opportunity.
25 Posted 24/04/2010 at 21:29:35
I'd love to know what CL team he thinks he could get into on a regular basis...."
Then, "where do I have a pop at TC?'. Right there, matey...
26 Posted 25/04/2010 at 00:16:08
27 Posted 25/04/2010 at 05:11:26
Let me start by saying I am a bit of a Tim Cahill fan, his attitude towards the club, and his onfield displays have made me champion him for captain in the past.
But....this post made me laugh, like Luke Gould (post 10) who's fault is it that we're not?? — The players on the pitch including himself and these 'stars' we may struggle to hold onto!
I have been thinking in recent weeks, due to Pienaar's contract squabble, that we need to do everything we can to keep him but now I am thinking: offer him what we can & if he doesnt take it then fuck him off for money? If I remember rightly when Gravesen left we brought in Arteta on loan... didn't turn out too bad did it??
Players have too much to say these days, if it's not Phil Neville telling me to get up for a game that I HAVE PAID to see or Leon Osman telling me to get off Hibbert's back, it's now Cahill telling me the 'stars' might leave if we don't qualify for Europe??
Think some of these players need reminding that they're playing for OUR CLUB! And we will be here long after they've fucked off to enjoy the millions that we fucking paid them!!!
DO YOUR TALKING ON THE PITCH & IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE HERE........ FUCK OFF!
28 Posted 25/04/2010 at 10:52:00
Thank you Brendan. But I fear that rather obvious point may be lost on some.
29 Posted 26/04/2010 at 10:56:47
"at this stage of my career it's something I want to do" — I don't see why that means he's not a blue? Of course, he's desperate to get to CL, he warns that players could be off etc. I don't see this as meaning that he will be off; for one, I am doubtful whether any CL clubs would buy him anyway at 31 — and no doubt he knows this as well.
30 Posted 29/04/2010 at 06:28:22
Christopher McCullough — about Steven Pienaar.
His agent pretty much cleared the whole thing up by saying that "A new deal must be completed before the World Cup starts, otherwise Steven will be looking to potentially move on elsewhere. We won't allow Everton to capitalize on Steven having a great World Cup and cashing in. One way or another his contract will be sorted out, whether they (Everton) choose to renew his contract or not, Steven has indicated he would be more than happy to stay at Everton, so it's up to that club to finalize his new contract."
Well, since the World Cup is nearly upon us, about 7 weeks now approx without looking, and still no news that we have sorted out his contract, and knowing how we always dally about things such as this, I believe we'll sell him but not for the amount we could have got after the World Cup, sad really. I'd like Peanuts to stay really, but I think we'll probably cash in. You don't leave one of your best players out in the dark and say, "Hey, it's ok, we have another year left," when the agent says, "Sort it or we'll sort out a new contract without you at another club."
31 Posted 29/04/2010 at 06:35:41
32 Posted 25/06/2010 at 19:04:17
But I can confirm that the above post (to which I was alerted only this week) was not by me (i.e. the "Greg Murphy" as referenced by Michael above).
I guess there's two of us, then, Greg!
33 Posted 25/06/2010 at 20:59:21
All of yours begin with 81 or 86. It’s the only post we have on record from that IP address, and it is quite well constructed to at least look like an Evertonian wrote it. And they must have got your password too… very odd. Methinks you must have rare knowledge of a bright and smart Kopite amongst your circle of so-called friends!
Of course, I coulda got this all wrong… Lyndon’s the expert!
34 Posted 25/06/2010 at 21:30:53
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