I am not in the least bit concerned by this latest bid to unsettle Arteta as all the recent noises from him have been along the lines of how happy he is here and that our recent treatment of him during his difficult injury makes him feel obligated to us. Surely, if we choose not to sell him, then he will stay.
However, the burning question for me is just how well has he recovered. He seems to be becoming more injury prone with age, even before the knee injury. The 2006-07 season, where he played in 35 out of 38 league games, seems to be the exception rather than the rule. And it seems that he misses around 10-15 league games each season.
I also think he's lost pace, although he had little to start with. Perhaps it's too early to tell but the flexibility that saw him weave and pirouette away from tackles seems diminished and I fear that maybe Arteta is not the player he was. Perhaps then, we should consider a bid.
There is always the chance that, with a pre-season under his belt, following a long summer of rest, that he may be every bit the Arteta of old. Also, the diminished Arteta showed on his return from injury just what an important player he is for us. Also, there is more to Arteta than his tricks and turns and that maybe he could be an even better player by being slightly more direct as there is less need for him to hold up play than there was in the past, with far more ball players in the side these days.
A further thing to consider is what selling Arteta – even if he actually is diminished — would represent. Everton would be signalling that they are prepared to sell their best players, and people will look at Lescott and even Rooney, and then believe they can take Rodwell, Fellaini, Jagielka et al from us. It may also unsettle those who remain, such as Rodwell, who must have signed amidst guarantees over the club's future ambitions and I am sure the vision given to him was not one of a selling club.
I hope Arteta does return to his very best and that he signs for 5 more years too. Atletico will still want him at 33, I'm sure!
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1 Posted 25/05/2010 at 14:48:56
Even if he lost a little flexibility, that stopped him weaving through players, it would really matter; it's his ability to control and orchastrate the midfield that matters most.
If City want him then we should demand a king's ransom, that's if he wants to go; if he doesn't, then no sum should be acceptable. We can't replace him on our current wage structure. At least not immediatley.
2 Posted 25/05/2010 at 15:16:09
3 Posted 25/05/2010 at 15:24:41
If we lost Arteta i'd be gutted... But that's what footballers do — they change employers for a bank balance the size of some African countries. Unlike Pienaar, I reckon Mikel would walk into a CL team...
If he goes, no doubt we'll bully someone financially smaller than us into relinquishing one of their best players... Much like we've done in the past.
4 Posted 25/05/2010 at 15:28:35
5 Posted 25/05/2010 at 16:17:19
He is the most important figure at the club besides Moyes. City can do one!
6 Posted 25/05/2010 at 16:12:09
This is Moyes's Number One task in the next few weeks... get Arteta signed up for another 4-5 years.
If he went, it would be for the money because I think he would play half a season in a larger squad and still not get in the Spanish national side of which he dreams. Lescott all over again, although in this case we'd miss Arteta.
7 Posted 25/05/2010 at 16:17:22
The Lescott thing worked out for pretty badly for Joleon. He didn't really distinguish himself on the pitch before getting hurt. And it ends up to be a good piece of business by our manager (right now...can't predict the future).
I say Arsenal and Man City fight it out for him and may the worst team win. I trust Moyes to go find the next Arteta.
8 Posted 25/05/2010 at 16:17:27
9 Posted 25/05/2010 at 17:39:35
Oh yeah - we really came off worse in that one eh?
Hope he doesnt go but every player has his price and, if they want to give us silly money again, I'm sure we'll get over it again!
10 Posted 25/05/2010 at 17:35:42
Arteta is Everton. End of.
Fuck, if he goes, we may as well all bus over to Eastlands — we can take the rest of EFC and then win the EPL.
Personally, I hope this is media madness or most probably Arteta's agent trying to get more cash for his man; otherwise, I can see Moyes popping over to City and kicking arse.
11 Posted 25/05/2010 at 17:58:34
12 Posted 25/05/2010 at 18:00:24
He would either go to a Champions League club, or a club in his homeland pushing for Champions League.
13 Posted 25/05/2010 at 17:54:25
And as far as his perceived 'diminishing' qualities, I too feared that he wasn't the same player when he returned from injury this season. His initial performances were visibly rusty, with some slack passing and clear indecision, especially in 50-50 tackles. But he was just back from a hefty year-long lay-off, FFS. Of course he'd be rusty.
And it wasn't too long that he was back to his best, in fact, if not better. Between his return to the team and Landon Donovan's cameo, it's no wonder we finished the season on a high.
14 Posted 25/05/2010 at 19:07:46
To date, they have spent well over £250m on players alone and they are still no better than us. This is on top of whatever they paid for Man City. They have already given us £24m for Lescott and are now willing to part with what would surely be more money for Arteta. They are also rumoured to want Jags — that means they would have spent £75m on buying players that, if they had just bought us, they wouldn't have needed to spend!
I hear people say 'but Man City have their own brand new ground'... However, they don't — they rent the ground from Manchester City Council. Indeed, the Arabs have allegedly been trying to buy the ground from the council since they arrived so the ground argument loses some weight.
As I say, why the hell didn't they just buy us!!!
Sorry, back to the thread. We must hope like hell that Arteta is made of better stuff than Lescott and Pienaar because, if we were to lose him, I fear it would signal the end of this current team. I believe Pienaar is replaceable but Arteta has shown since his return how much we missed him. Let's hope his big mate Cahill can have some influence on him. If we were to announce Arteta had signed another contract, it would feel like signing a player!!!
15 Posted 25/05/2010 at 19:45:18
City are welcome to next season's away kit — I'll pay them myself to take it off our hands!!
16 Posted 25/05/2010 at 21:00:10
The realist in me says he will stay and Pienaar will go. I do like what Moyes says though. We have been very prudent as a club and seem to have learnt from the Rooney sale. If anyone comes knocking, they ain't arf gonna need a big chequebook.
17 Posted 25/05/2010 at 21:30:56
However, the club are realistic and accept that every player in the world has a price. Mikel's is £60 million and ask the Arabs to put up or shut up — a bit like Arsenal have done in putting an £80 million price tag on Fabregas!
18 Posted 25/05/2010 at 21:28:22
I've said this before but Arteta not being in the Spain squad still baffles me (good as their midfield are); he is probably the most gifted player I have ever seen in the Royal Blue jersey (I'm 28).
A fully fit Fellaini and Arteta in the middle would really be worth the admission money alone, so hold on at all costs!
19 Posted 26/05/2010 at 00:55:32
Sarcasm aside, that's a really good point you've made — whoever came up with the `let's buy Man City' idea should be minus at least one bollock.
20 Posted 26/05/2010 at 01:31:14
21 Posted 26/05/2010 at 02:18:12
22 Posted 26/05/2010 at 03:14:53
23 Posted 26/05/2010 at 03:52:29
I had a bit of a concern that, in the little bit of time that we saw him and Fellaini on the pitch together, they seemed to want to occupy the same area of the pitch. Hopefully I'll get to see them on the same side together next year to see if an understanding between the two needs to develop.
So far I think Moyes has done a pretty good job in securing the key players of the future to extended contracts, and those players have confirmed they want to be a part of Everton's future. Hopefully both Pienaar and Arteta want to be involved, otherwise they may as well both leave and at least give Moyes the chance to use the cash to find some suitable replacements.
24 Posted 26/05/2010 at 08:02:08
I actually wish they wanted Pienaar as much as they did Lescott... that would fund Moutinho .. a far superior player... Either way... as long as we get 20m for any of our players we can buy better... its the bedding in period that is troubling...Personally I just don't think Arteta is going to go anywhere... and with that I begin to pray!
25 Posted 26/05/2010 at 08:40:02
26 Posted 26/05/2010 at 09:15:45
Could equally apply to that red faced git too.
27 Posted 26/05/2010 at 09:11:17
28 Posted 26/05/2010 at 10:11:49
29 Posted 26/05/2010 at 10:53:31
I can't believe Manchester City would be intrested though. City have enough players far better than Arteta in that position. The only club that would want Arteta would be Arsenal or Liverpool — neither of which are likely to get him.
30 Posted 26/05/2010 at 11:23:26
31 Posted 26/05/2010 at 12:12:38
32 Posted 26/05/2010 at 12:22:48
33 Posted 26/05/2010 at 12:51:27
34 Posted 26/05/2010 at 13:07:54
Everton should in no way encourage any bids. If the player decided he wanted to move, I certainly wouldn't consider selling him to a rival — especially after the Lescott ordeal. I would sell him abroad for less money rather than sell him to those shitbags.
35 Posted 26/05/2010 at 13:33:16
In terms of injury prone, I think a little harsh, generally - midfield players get injured - i.e. Piennar Fellani - at other teams Gerrard, Fabregas etc. I do believe gettign someone who is that level of class and doesn't get injured is great - but few and far between when playing on our league and would cost a fortune.
I would like Piennar to stay, but I'm really not that bothered either way - certainly he comes nowhere close to Arteta in my view
36 Posted 26/05/2010 at 16:02:07
You're a bit of a tease, aren't you?
37 Posted 26/05/2010 at 16:06:13
38 Posted 27/05/2010 at 10:15:51
I saw a list in the paper a while back that showed what some of the players earned now and at their previous clubs. It was obscene. No amount of loyalty or decency can stop a man taking that kind of money. It's a bad time for football.
39 Posted 27/05/2010 at 10:28:09
40 Posted 27/05/2010 at 10:34:06
For the record — Barry and Ireland are NOT better players at all.
41 Posted 27/05/2010 at 11:55:55
The dilly-dallying about the wage is a ruse to allow them to pawn off our best player, and make it look like his fault. However, they may not be able to resist the money Arsenal, or City will throw at us for the services of Mikel Arteta.
Then the Everton midfield, shorn of possibly both Pienaar and Arteta, doesn't look as good does it?
And since everyone is shitting on Stevie P, has golden boy Mikel signed his new contract yet?
42 Posted 27/05/2010 at 13:13:42
If Everton sell Pienaar ro finance a move for Moutinho, I will be happy; if they sell Mikel, I will be devastated.
43 Posted 27/05/2010 at 13:32:11
44 Posted 27/05/2010 at 14:02:41
Answer either way is none.
45 Posted 27/05/2010 at 15:02:28
Oh the pedantry.
46 Posted 27/05/2010 at 15:21:55
If Liverpool presently was the all-conquering team they were in the 70-80's, I suspect they would have bought Everton for the same reasons.
47 Posted 27/05/2010 at 15:42:57
48 Posted 27/05/2010 at 17:27:53
Ireland can't even get into the City team.
He is a good player, but not Arteta's standard. And his personality is questionable, he'd never fit in our squad.
I'll never forget his look of arrogance when he scored against us last season at Goodison. All of the Park End wanted to tear his head off! Made me hate him and Robinho ever since.
49 Posted 27/05/2010 at 17:57:26
Yeah, what a tit. When Everton players score against other teams, I always remember them apologising to the opposition support for ruining their day.
Ireland and Arteta are very different players. Ireland if he came to us, he would be vying with Cahill, he isn't a creative midfielder but a direct attacking one. I would love him at Everton. At the expense of Arteta... no.
50 Posted 27/05/2010 at 21:24:09
Run off and celebrate, that's fine, but to intentionally aggravate the opposing fans is just wrong, I'd never condone an Everton player doing that, and I can't really recall any of them doing that. That's what makes Everton Everton in my opinion.
You're right about one thing though: "Yeah, what a tit."
I'd agree he's direct but I'd disagree that he is a creative player. Between him and Arteta, there's no contest. Arteta always.
51 Posted 27/05/2010 at 21:47:10
52 Posted 27/05/2010 at 21:52:50
We don't know what the hold up is in Pienaar's contract. There are salary issues, apparently to do with parity. Why not sort it out before the World Cup. It seems clear that the club hope that he will raise his profile, and they can cash in afterwards.
Pienaar may be seen as the asset to cash in, in line with the apparent one big sale a year policy. Heaping the blame on his shoulders may therefore be a tad unfair. It's also not going to look so great if Arteta has his head turned though.
53 Posted 27/05/2010 at 22:02:54
Most of our players will be linked with other teams, Arteta will always be seen as a good but not great player and will attract attention but no serious decent offers. If Citeh bid £25 mill, great... we will buy Ozil for £10mill, decent player 8 years younger, plus £15 mill for Donovan or Bangera.
54 Posted 27/05/2010 at 22:44:37
All I'm saying is I would prefer a more direct central midfielder and put Arteta on the wings. Manchester City have signed Fernando Gago, a central midfielder I doubt that they're going to spend another £20 million plus on another one. The only club I believe he'd go to is one in Spain.
The only club that would be interested in him is Liverpool and as he's a decent lad I don't believe he'd leave. I think the whole moral arguement is flawed as in every other profession you'll work with people that are not particularly pleasant but only footballers are judged. Fellaini isn't an angel by any means yet we still like him.
So let's say last minute at Anfield 0-0 in the race for 4th place. Cahill scores 4th minute of injury time in front of the Kop and punches the corner flag we will a debate his actions now? Of course not. Stephen Ireland just scored at the opposite end from his supporters. He didn't run the length of the pitch like Gary Neville or Adebayor.
I would offload some of our talents if we could bring in top players. If we got let's say Micheal Carrick, Edin Dzeko and Landon Donavan with Mikel Arteta, Steven Pienaar and Yakubu going in the other direction, you wouldn't be happy.
55 Posted 28/05/2010 at 02:14:47
56 Posted 28/05/2010 at 19:36:02
57 Posted 29/05/2010 at 00:19:10
58 Posted 29/05/2010 at 12:47:47
As regards your commment about City having "far" better players in that position. Steven Ireland is good but definitely not "far " better. I would take him but not at the expense of Arteta. And Gareth Barry is simply not better than Arteta.
And finally your comment about replacing Arteta with Petrov just tops it off — Petrov is also a good player but come on, think about what you are saying. He isthe wrong side of 30 and is an out and out winger — would you really want him instead of Arteta?
Christopher McCollough — Well said!!
59 Posted 01/06/2010 at 03:31:50
Recent interviews show Mikel going on about how grateful he is we got him back from injury so quickly, and how much he is in love with the club. He even said his wife (FIT) is very happy in the city.
Now you're probably thinking, ha if there is money involved, like there was for that "ugly tit-head" Joleon, then he won't say no. But Mikel just doesn't seem like the type to be so fake and unloyal. He loves us; we love him... and I'm sure he will survive on £55k or whatever he is on a week. Plus, there is only one place he is going to retire at if he leaves Everton. That's Barca and I don't think Josep Guardiola is on the phone flirting with Moyes for him just yet!!
I say we need to be more worried about that little South African kid going than mighty Mikel.
60 Posted 01/06/2010 at 17:17:04
Moyes got £24m for Lescott and he's going to let Arteta go for £10m. I know Moyes is a pal of old whisky nose but come on. That alone tells me the report is a load of shite.
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