There are two points I would like to make. Firstly, a possible generation gap in the opinions viewed. Secondly, the passiveness of Evertonians.
Regarding the generation gap, my father fondly remembers the Golden Vision. Labone. Kendall, Ball and Harvey. The School of Science. He wants Moyes gone.
Myself, I grew up on the 80ss team of Southall, Ratcliffe, Reid, Sharp et al who where Champions of England and won in Europe. While I?m not screaming for Moyes?s head just yet, I am very very close to doing so.
We have both seen Everton great. We have seen success and want it again. We also want the club to be the pioneers of the English game, both on and of the pitch, like we once were.
We both want Kenwright gone, and are fed up with the very poor running of our club off the pitch.
Basically, we will not be happy until the club is again living up to our motto, and demand that those associated with the club have that same burning desire.
So I wonder if those who want Moyes to stay 100%, and think the sun shines wherever Mr Kenwright is, are the Sky generation of Evertonians who have only known relegation battles, and have been brainwashed by the media into believing we are a mediocre club, happy to finish mid-table to 5th and reach a Cup Final once every blue moon?
Those who think not fighting the drop is considered success, and accept the backhanded plaudits from the media in their patronising way. ?Aawww look at Everton, aren?t they doing well. Plucky little Everton. Pat them on the head, and tell them how happy they should be?.
Failing to realise that we are the 4th most successful club in the country, and going 15 years without a trophy is simply not good enough.
Now, secondly, I think a problem with most Evertonians is that we are too easily pleased, too easily rolled over. Too passive, too meek. Too willing to accept mediocrity because ?Bill?s a blue? and ?look where we where when Moyes took over?.
Unwilling to vent any fury, because when we do, we then get accused of not supporting the club, get told to stop behaving like ?them lot?.
Well, let?s have a look at ?them lot?. They were angry, very very angry, about how their club was being run. They organised protest marches, bought space on billboard signs. They had sit-ins after the game, appeared on TV and radio, making their feelings clear. What did we do? Laughed at them, took the piss out of them, told them how pathetic they looked. Said we?d never do stuff like that because ?we?re Evertonians and Evertonians support their club?. Well, it worked for them didn?t it? They got what they wanted and needed to begin to move their club forward, so who?s laughing now?
It?s about time us Evertonians started standing up for ourselves. Stopped being too scared to criticise. Stopped being scared of being labelled ?like them lot?. Stopped being scared of being accused of not being supportive. Basically, grew some fucking balls (not sure what the female equivalent of that quote would be, sorry!), started demanding success (of the silver kind), and showed some fighting spirit.
Well fuck it. If I?m not happy I will blooming well say so, and if anyone dares tell me that I should be ?supporting? my club one more time, which has happened on a couple of occasions this season when I?ve vented fury at David Moyes for one reason or another, I?ll show them my fucking bank statements and let them see how much money I spend every single season going all over the country (and Europe) supporting my club.
If I?m completely and utterly fed up with the shite that gets served up, both on and off the pitch, I will bloody well say so ? and yes, I am ?supporting? my club, because, sometimes, the best way to help someone is to be harsh with them. Tell it like it is. Cruel to be kind.
The upshot being, the sooner Kenwright fucks off, takes Earl with him, and thus stopping Green having huge influence on the club, the better.
If Moyes doesn?t stop dropping the striker most in form at the time, doesn?t stop playing the same system and style in every single game during every single season, doesn?t start showing some kind of imagination, attacking intent, and doesn?t, basically, shake things up big time with the so-called best squad in 24 years ? then he can do one too.
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BK cannot do any of this and never will. I don't care that he is a fan and why should I?
What's the alternative, stick with this lot again and keep moaning every year as our ambitions now are to avoid relegation and finish mid-table ? hardly aspiring, is it?
The point about a generation gap is spot on. I am 49 and remember the barren years of the seventies as well as the success of the eighties. Just because we have little money doesn't mean we can't have ambition. Money doesn't always buy success. Brian Clough won the title with newly promoted Notts Forest in 1978 with a team full of journeymen, but there again he was a great manager (unlike Moyes).
This was the year, 24 years, best squad for donkeys years etc, and Moyes, the players, abley assisted by Kenwright, have fucked it up. I've smelt the current stench of staleness before but have we got the board with the balls to do something about it? I fear not. Fifteen years without a trophy ? or one trophy in 23 years if you want to feel realy depressed ? is truly abysmal. NSNO my arse.
I've watched Everton since 1946-47, watched them go down, and all through the 2nd Division campain, and the atmosphere was never as bad as it is now, especially amongst the fans. We seem to be falling apart at the seams.
Until the last few seasons, whenever I told anyone who I support, they almost always laughed and said how shit we are/were. Under Moyes, I have noticed that not many people seem to say that anymore...
My dad was there in the 80s and he always talks about how we are a big club and how successful we have been. It's a bit different for me. I want us to be better. I want us to be Champions again. But, until that day, I will be grateful to Moyes for making my life a bit easier, even though this season the man is truly baffling me.
I sometimes think that, because I am not a scouser like my Dad and most of you on here, and because I have never lived in Liverpool, that maybe, just maybe I can see just how far our club has fallen a bit clearer than some others. Let me explain...
Living in Burnley (my Dad moved here over 20 years ago), I never hear anyone talking about how great we once were. Nobody seems to mention our great teams of the past. Nobody even seems to remember the old "Big 5" clubs in England saying. This is not just people in my town but people from other areas too. It's almost like some of the best football in this country's history has been erased.
The only people who still think Everton are a big club are the Blues of my father's generation or older. I know my history about only 3 teams winning the league more than us but not many non-blues do.
So, I am not going to apologise for not screaming "Moyes Out" when I go to Goodison on Boxing Day because I do not expect us to really achieve anything, I have never seen us achieve anything, you see, one cup aside.
I hope for the best every game, every season... but I am sorry to say I am a Sky TV generation Evertonian and MY team has never been one of the big boys. My expectations are low because I know no better! I don't know if you older blues are lucky because you got to see us be the best. Or unlucky because you now see how far behind we have slumped and it must be breaking your heart.
I love our club very much, however, until I see us win the Premier League or Champions League, I will never think of us as being one of the big boys. Even though I know that historically we are. My Everton have always been the underdogs. And I will always think of us that way. Shame really.
When Steve Round joined, the team's style changed for the better. We now do seem to be able to play the ball about the park, not just do the up and under, but our tactics are still too cautious. DM cannot play it any other way, apparently, and it's not like we don't have the players. I mean, has anyone seen Bolton this season?So, I'm afraid it's curtains for both BK and DM, as far as I'm concerned. But let BK go first and whoever takes over can decide who the manager should be. And BK will never fire DM because he knows he'd be the next in line.
Chris (#14) ? I know we are bigger than Newcastle, Spurs and City but the problem is they haven't done anything yet just like we haven't. I don't want to settle for second best, but seriously, what else is on the horizon? With or without Moyes.
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