I believe that we will turn Liverpool over in the semi-final because it means more to our players, and because it means more to our manager and fans. They have already won a cup this year, and are thus assured participation in European competition. Also, we have a good record of rising to the occasion against the league?s more successful clubs, at least when we are not playing at the respective clubs? own grounds.
We are not favourites to win the trophy, however, as Chelsea and Tottenham field very good teams when they are motivated. Moreover, both clubs are under pressure to win silverware due to their relative standing in British football, and their big spending owners/directors. To make the challenge bigger still, it looks as though one of these two clubs will fail to reach the Champions League this season.
Moyes has previously guided us to an FA Cup Final, and a Carling Cup Semi-Final, both of which featured Chelsea. I am not predicting that we will face Chelsea again if we reach the final this year, but these two games are etched into my memory as big cup-ties that were immensely disappointing. Please see the quotes below from the two match summaries. BBC Sport, January 2008:
?Chelsea were the better team for large phases of the match but, once Yakubu equalised shortly after Mikel's 64th-minute dismissal, Everton looked the team most likely to win a pulsating tie.?;
?Everton all too often gave Chelsea too much time and space?.
BBC Sport, May 2009:
?Hibbert was not the only player at fault ? he should have received more support from Leon Osman on that flank ? but the amount of space they were leaving invited trouble, and Chelsea took full advantage to equalise after 21 minutes.?;
?By now, Hiddink's side were completely on top, with the Toffees unable to keep hold of the ball, let alone use it constructively. Everton did at least tighten up at the back, with the exception of the hapless Hibbert who was caught out time and time again before the break.?;
?Even after his reshuffle, Chelsea were still enjoying the lion?s share of possession?. It is likely that six or seven players from the 2009 FA Cup Final will play if we reach the final this year. Though the same could be said of Chelsea, I am concerned that our more senior players, who are arguably now past their best, will be three years older by the final. Add this to the absence of Pienaar, and a manager who has shown little care for the phrase ?carpe diem?, and I can?t help but fear a repeat of former capitulations on the big stage. I hope I am proved wrong.
For what it?s worth, I would love to see Drenthe and Gueye start on the flanks (if available) in the semi-final (and hopefully the final), to ensure that Jelavic is not isolated on the large pitch. I would also like to see Barkely come on if we go behind in either game. I would be tempted to put Coleman in as right back to provide more attacking balance, as he was superb for Blackpool at right back.
Regardless of the personell, I don?t see how a 'contain and counter' philosophy will ever win us a trophy. I hope that Moyes puts his faith in the players this time around, and encourages them to win the cup rather than edge it. I hope he learns from the past...
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455 Posted 02/04/2012 at 16:55:48
We were also missing our spine of Jags, Arteta and Yakubu.
If we were to play Chelsea in the final this year, I would fancy our chances against them.
459 Posted 02/04/2012 at 17:12:34
And Coleman at right back in a Final??? Based on his having played there two years ago in a lower division? Are you joking? Can you imagine Chelsea's (or Spurs') absolute delight at seeing a player who has never played a single game at right back in the Premiership? They would eat him alive, if they could stop laughing long enough.
Fortunately, I'm absolutely certain that Moyes would never contemplate either of those insane moves for so much as a fraction of a second.
461 Posted 02/04/2012 at 17:22:47
We also need ALL eleven players to stand up, not just the usual suspects. In big games you need all your players to perform, this has been our downfall in the past.
Can Liverpool be any lower in confidence going into this game ?
462 Posted 02/04/2012 at 17:34:39
463 Posted 02/04/2012 at 17:39:29
I sensed a real determination and belief in the way we played against Sunderland; let's hope that marks a turning point in the way that we play in these games.
464 Posted 02/04/2012 at 17:41:04
We ran them close when they were at their best, apart from one or two huge lapses, so this present Liverpool team should hold no fears for us. I think they will fade as they did against a not very good Newcastle Utd who have definitely over-performed this season.
If we really put a big effort in, I'm sure we will reach the final... it's just a pity we can't use Pienaar as his workrate is an example to all. Gibson must perform really well in midfield and Felli should look after Gerrard!! Just follow the Jelavic road... and bring the Count Stracqualursi) on together with Big Vic, who could really disturb the Liverpool back four.
465 Posted 02/04/2012 at 17:52:51
What needs to happen is for Moyes to strap a pair on and tell those mighty boys in blue to get out there and take the game to the opposition.
We've been waiting 10 years for him to realise that's what it takes to *win* games - not shade them 1-0 - and we've seen the results recently. It's no coincidence. We've taken the game to Swansea and Sunderland and won difficult games comfortablly.
In fairness to DM he may have been waiting for the right group of players to be at his disposal, rather than just being nauturally defensive minded. You never know :-)
So, come on DM...let's see some more of the recent bravery and take the game to the other lot and put a load of goals past them. They've never been at a lower ebb, so let's make the most if it. Please.
477 Posted 02/04/2012 at 18:30:33
I agree with an attacking mindset, but ONLY against the RS in the semi. In the final, I would definitely want to see the same contain-and-counter tactics we used to beat Spurs and Chelsea in recent weeks. I think it would be foolish to change what has worked so well against those two sides.
479 Posted 02/04/2012 at 18:38:17
Have you forgot how easy Liverpool beat us 3-0 and 2-0.
There is nothing that can prepare us for a derby semi-final, we just have to field our strongest side possible and hope for the best.
I feel confident that we will do well in the league, but the cup is a different matter.
It depends on Drenthe coming back or not, and that the Fellaini-Gibson partnership is not broken up.
Also we will need to score goals and David Moyes has a terrible record against the red shites.
You can bet on Moyes being too respectful of them and he may even change the team around again in a way that makes the team weaker.
My main point is that there are too many things against Moyes, and history tends to repeat itself, 10 years without a trophy already.
It is a hard game to predict, the ref. might blow it for us like the sending off at Goodison.(Rodwell)
Players might feel the pressure and do stupid things.(Heitinga)
This game is a lot more open than recent form shows us.
I hope we win, and I hope Drenthe will be back and scores the winning goal.
We are 2 difficult games away from glory.
Let us hope this can act as a stepping stone for us, and that Moyes signs Drenthe in the summer.
Then if we also can sign Pienaar or Donovan our trips to Europe will be much more pleasant to watch.
I can see a light in the tunnel.....
482 Posted 02/04/2012 at 19:10:11
Well, its modern Everton 'History' not old school.. but a Wembley Semi-final is not the final. It may well seem like it, but it isnt.
Beating United in the Semi at Wembley last time.. In my opinion ( so I will take the stick ! ) seemed like winning the FA Cup. Getting re-motivated for Chelsea seemed to be harder than it was for the semi.
If we do turn Liverpool over, then I guess I will feel the same again. The 'victims' say playing them is our cup final every time we play eachother..
So my question is.. will beating Liverpool at Wembley be just as good as winning the whole thing ?
God willing.. will the Final itself just be a bonus or have we really got the winning attitude to move forward and leave the lovable reds behind ??
An Everton captain holding the old trophy up would be immense..
Come on you blues.
483 Posted 02/04/2012 at 18:03:34
Heitinga at the back (with Jags or Distin, I don't mind), the addition of Gibson who has liberated both Fellaini and Osman and the threat of Jelavic mean that we can take on anybody with confidence. Comparisons between now and three years ago could be useful, but, for example, Ossie is a much different player and - we hope - given much more opportunity to use his skill on the ball.
And yes, we should be able to win the semifinal, but never forget, when a beast is wounded, it can be at its most dangerous. But at least, it is now recognised that they are cheating bastards. I wonder who the ref will be?
After that, any London club will be the media darlings which will be annoying but will take pressure off us. And yes, Coleman may get his medal, but only if Bale is playing. Some of us think we won't see Drenthe again (hope we're wrong), and although he put in a decent performance on Saturday, I don't think Gueye is ready for the first team yet. And in any case, we would be much more likely to see Neville and Hibbert in the starting line-up, which would take us back to where we were early season. If he adds either Heitinga or Jagielka to midfield, that would take us back to the dark ages.
But - we're talking about a manager who sacrificed a derby to win an FA Cup round. Surely he has to go for this one.
490 Posted 02/04/2012 at 19:40:45
If Moyes reverts to type and we start that cagey holding shite we'll get stuffed, and rightly so.
Enough trouser shitting at the very sight of a liver bird enough bad luck excuses (you make your own luck look at that og at sunderland) knock 'em on their arse and get to the final.
Winning the thing is what it's about.
491 Posted 02/04/2012 at 20:00:26
We are probably the outsiders of four with most fans, we definitely are with the bookies and rightly so... but that suits us.
I get really pissed off when people point the finger at Ossie and Hibbert for the defeat in 2009. We were comprehensively outplayed all over the park by a vastly superior team. I don't see that happening again. This Chelsea team is not as good as the 2009 team and I don't fear Spurs as I think we have seen the best of them this season.
Moyes has more or less everyone available ? that's unusual for us. When the important games come around, he must use his squad wisely, make sure nobody picks up niggling injuries through fatigue, and substitute anybody who has received a yellow in what are now comparatively meaningless league games.
This has been a twat of a season, but with reasonable luck and good management there's no reason why it shouldn't end in glory.
498 Posted 02/04/2012 at 20:58:53
I fear the latter will be the case though and we will be set up extremely negative!
516 Posted 02/04/2012 at 22:45:27
If we get past the RS, and that in itself won't be easy, should it be Chelsea in the final, I can imaging the chavs praying for Leon to be selected.
525 Posted 02/04/2012 at 23:46:17
Against the Victims, we needs his leadership and his experience. In the final, he knows how to contain Bale, and Ashley Cole will be shatting himself at the thought of a defensive side comprising Phil and Johnny.
As good as Osman has been in spurts this season too, derbies and cup finals aren't exactly where he excels. I think he'd be of his best use to the squad if he played all the games against teams below us, as they are the games he tends to pop up in with a goal.
530 Posted 03/04/2012 at 00:27:09
535 Posted 03/04/2012 at 01:00:19
543 Posted 03/04/2012 at 02:56:09
I read on an Everton website last night it will be Clattenberg!!
But I don't know how reliable that is.
544 Posted 03/04/2012 at 03:07:56
"The FA has announced that Howard Webb will referee the Merseyside derby semi-final and that Martin Atkinson will take charge of the other match."
545 Posted 03/04/2012 at 04:09:56
And Mike Gaynes expresses the view that Moyes wouldn't contemplate an insane move for a second!!! Well where have you been hiding for the last 10 years? Moyes is the king of insane selections. The most ridiculous being his "insane" changes for the last derby.
In my opinion, he MUST play Neville at right back and not have Anichebe anywhere near the pitch. He should rest key players v Sunderland to prevent injuries or suspensions.
He preached for years of how the league was priority over cups, yet the disgrace of the derby defeat shows his volte face with this philosophy so he must stay consistent and play a lot of the fringe players. The cup is his best route to a trophy and his 'insane' selections must be kicked into touch ? before he is.
551 Posted 03/04/2012 at 07:27:18
Also don't want to see Osman on a wing. I rate hims as a player but we have better wide options and its a waste of Osman's talent out there.
556 Posted 03/04/2012 at 09:08:24
Even without though, this is without doubt the worst Liverpool side I've seen in my lifetime. Yes, we've lost twice to them this season. One of those games was played with 10 men and the other was when Moyes rested 6 players. With a first choice squad and barring any madness from the ref we can absolutely beat the RS. Not only that, but they'll be without Reina thanks to his "headbutt" at the weekend. For all Moyes' talk about us being the underdogs, I think in most peoples minds it's the opposite.
If we get to the final (which we really should) then I think it'll be a completely different affair to last time as long as Moyes sticks to the players who are performing and doesn't get tempted to go with "experience" over form.
558 Posted 03/04/2012 at 09:12:17
Where we play him on the other hand is a difficult one. Out right perhaps isn't his natural position but he has played there recently to some effect because he's been allowed to cut inside towards the middle of the pitch instead of go for the byline like Coleman tends to do.
On another note does anyone think Cahill looks like he might be getting some of his old fire back? Certainly putting in the effort and some of the headers he's fired towards goal recently looked far more like the Cahill of old. I'd say he's indispensable to a derby semi final on the basis of effort and experience alone. Plus let's face it a lot of our attacking play comes from Baines floating balls into the box and with Cahill and Jelly on the field i think we're more likely to make use of Baines' crossing.
559 Posted 03/04/2012 at 09:07:22
I'm with you all the way about Anichebe....however, he is probably our most prolific scorer this season for goals to games ration.......did I just really type that?
564 Posted 03/04/2012 at 09:45:14
Your one lucky fucker if you think the RS are not up for it, regarding the semi. They are already taking the piss, goading, reminding us of the recent 3 nothing battering and talking about Stevie fucking G sticking the ball into our net.
Neville is a cert - unless his legs drop off. Anyways, he totally took Maclean out of the game at Sunderland. He is a defo, along with Felli & Gibson. Osman turns it on against open teams, teams that will allow him space. Well, there's not a fucking chance of that against the scum, hence I'm hoping that Coleman is fit.
Also hoping that Drenthe is sober as he gives us more options - plus he can watch the masters of diving, maybe even learn a few things. Jeez even Drenthe must of gringed, or been rather impressed, at watching Caroll dive rather than just put the ball into the net.
566 Posted 03/04/2012 at 10:34:26
You're 2 days late mate ? the 1st was Sunday!
I nearly choked on my coffee and crisps!
568 Posted 03/04/2012 at 10:45:40
That's that then!
571 Posted 03/04/2012 at 11:14:04
The main point of this article isn't that I can pick a side more likely to win the cup than Moyes, but that we have been totally outclassed in an FA Cup final recently, and that we threw away a Carling Cup semi-final in the previous year despite the opposition playing with only 10 men for almost a third of the game. Don't forget either, we scraped through the FA Cup semi-final on penalties against a significantly under strength Man U side.
Barry Rathbone, #490, has a similar view to mine. We can play really well, as we did against Sunderland and Swansea, but I fear that Moyes will not change his basic approach to these big cup-ties in either the final or semi-final this year, in that we will defend deep and not get enough shots on target.
Do those of you who recall the home victories aginst Chelsea and Tottenham not think that playing defend and counter on a neutral ground might swing the odds in their favour?
572 Posted 03/04/2012 at 11:27:32
Moyes just needs to make sure he keeps the form up, and the momentum going by delivering wins in the league.
574 Posted 03/04/2012 at 11:35:23
Neville, Distin, Heitinga, Baines,
Osman, Gibson, Fellaini, Cahill, Drenthe
576 Posted 03/04/2012 at 12:12:37
Since Heitinga has found his feet hes been the world cup finalist we thought he was always going to be.
This is Moyes biggest test, my only problem is he is a derby bottler, his record is rubbish againts the shite and I just think this will be another nail in his will I ever get a trophy coffin.
577 Posted 03/04/2012 at 12:16:25
However... Barkley coming on to save the game and Coleman at FB are not realistic changes.
582 Posted 03/04/2012 at 13:03:48
584 Posted 03/04/2012 at 13:31:26
628 Posted 03/04/2012 at 18:34:11
Eric - Webb had to be the banker for this one. Hope he's got over his Heitingaphobia. He will at least have the whole country looking at him for this one, so he might control his yellow card pocket more carefully.
The Clattenberg option? Moyes would have to reveal at last what he knows about the great man's conduct that day. The FA may be thick, but they're not stupid. Really looking forward to his return to Goodison though.
644 Posted 03/04/2012 at 20:14:01
653 Posted 03/04/2012 at 20:36:19
Moyes capitulated once, but only to concentrate on getting us were we are now in the Cup. I really think that this time he will play a midfield that doesn't contain any defenders, and now that we have some teeth up front in the form of jelavic, that we will go for it.
657 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:10:25
Against a undoubtedly superior side our only chance was to play a high pressing game and on that day it was impossible.
I wouldn't worry about the lessons of the past just pray it's a nice mild day.
Also Liverpool are not in the same league as that Chelsea team.
660 Posted 03/04/2012 at 21:30:06
We've shown a couple of years ago in our run to the final that we're capable of beating the big teams on our way to the final. Just a shame that we're playing a s***e one really..
665 Posted 03/04/2012 at 22:21:10
If we play total KITAHTN1We have to be lucky ALL the time, they only have to lucky ONCE.
We have to go out to try to win it, not try not to lose it.
If we don't do that and bottle it we don't derserve it
670 Posted 03/04/2012 at 22:52:15
With that scenario in mind I can see another Chelsea type of game looming.
They say that a sign of lunacy is to keep repeating the same mistake.
Then again its Moyes who picks the team, lord help us!
787 Posted 04/04/2012 at 13:43:03
Man U: 10 shots, 54% possession Everton: 7 shots, 46% possession
Chelsea: 12 shots, 61% possession
Everton: 6 shots, 39% possession
I know that player ratings are subjective, but the following scores out of ten from the final should be a warning to Moyes:
Hibbert - 4
Osman - 5
Neville - 6
Cahill - 6
Howard - 5
Baines - 5
Fellaini - 6
It is of particular note that Cahill, Osman and Fellaini only scored 6 each in the semi-final, which we won.
I am concerned that Dick, #670, may be correct. Fingers crossed he's not.
812 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:22:23
Thats and the fact that our goalie had a weston were the real reasons we lost that final. When the Hibbert and Ossie flank was broken up the match was still all square.
They hardly covered themselves in glory but to try to cover up for Neville and Cahill having the floor wiped with them is embarressing.
If we really are going to learn from our mistakes, we first have to recognise and acknowledged what they are. Playing two non footballers like Neville and Cahill against a quality midfield on a big pitch like Wembley was the biggest mistake Moyes made that day.
Ossie's got more skill in his little toe than these two put together and must start in midfield with Fella and Gibson
819 Posted 04/04/2012 at 16:52:33
To think a 1-0 or to play for one will be complete suicide. Once that first goal goes in, if Moyes hasn't drilled our lads to fight tooth and nail for the second then it's defo curtains for us. The team on the 14th who only score one will lose.
In fact I think its safe to say one goal is not an option.
Looking at Kevs team, 574 at first I thought here we go, Oz wide right. But looking at midfield there's no place else for him to go. One other thing that needs saying is that Moyes has to adopt a more fluid approach to our attack.
By all means start Drenthe (if he plays) on the left but if after 20 mins its not working then switch him over to the right were he can cut inside and use the power of his shot that we all know he has in his locker.
Also if Timmy tires mid second half take him off with Osman put Drenthe in the hole with free license to do and go where ever he chooses and bring on Coleman and Gueye on either flank. Not sure why I'm writing this really cos Moyes should know all this stuff. Trouble is he never seems to use these fundemental type of tactical changes.
Lastly the one thing we shouldn't give the shite is any respect whatsoever.
Just prior to going out on the pitch Moyes should have the "Net" wired up in the changing room and get the chant by Emlyn Hughes that "Liverpool are magic Everton are tragic" after winning a cup. Then, nice and quietly say to the boys,
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT !!
Hee hee heeee what a wind up....
852 Posted 04/04/2012 at 21:47:35
860 Posted 04/04/2012 at 22:25:42
863 Posted 04/04/2012 at 22:40:04
When I first saw it, I thought it was our team for a new 8-a-side tournament : Koleman, Itinger, Tim1, Anichebe, Hibbert, Tim2, Neville, Osman.
I'll get my coat...
440 Posted 08/04/2012 at 13:33:51
There can be no excuses, Moyes has to go for it from the off, if he shows them too much respect, and tries to keep it tight, and nick one, they'll turn us over.
443 Posted 08/04/2012 at 13:42:33
They battered Villa yesterday and have, apparently, played a lot better than their results would have you believe or better than the constant whingeing from their spolit, deluded fans would have you believe as they bombard radio phone ins with their slagging off of Queen Kenny.
I am no where NEAR as confident as I should be.... And my kecks are almost full...
446 Posted 08/04/2012 at 13:56:25
They only reason I'm not 100% confident that we'll turn them over is not because of the Shite but because of how Moyes will approach the game.
450 Posted 08/04/2012 at 14:26:50
Some lads on Everton fan sites are still banging on about us winning 3-0, 4-0 etc., having learnt nothing from the last Derby when we lost comfortably to the worst RS side in years. It's a Derby. Anyone who turns up (with the correctly picked team!) can win.
452 Posted 08/04/2012 at 14:57:12
It wasn't because Moyes lost his bottle or wilted or anything like that, it was because Chelsea were unbelievably superior to us. Lampard and Essien in the middle, Cole and Malouda down the flanks with Drogba up front. They had quality all over the ptich and all we had was hard work and effort without our three best players.
Even with them it would have been extremely difficult; without them it was practically impossible but I'm sure if Moyes had just 'gone for it' or 'been attacking' we could have easily negated their superiority.
472 Posted 08/04/2012 at 19:24:31
We don't need to go all guns blazing, it will be about playing with tempo and pace. Its easy to forget following the horrible second half that the RS defence was poor, we had a few chances in the first half (Rodwell and Jelly missed presentable chances in the second). If we play with tempo we will get opportunities.
Defensively the key will be our centre halves and the keeper. Kenny's tactics revolve around getting the ball wide and peppering the area with crosses. Howard and the centre half combo need to work on when he will stick or twist.
478 Posted 08/04/2012 at 21:12:57
479 Posted 08/04/2012 at 21:50:13
So just go out and beat them like Wigan and QPR, we have a better team than them, this is Moyes time now to show he can get the tactics right, no more excuses.
481 Posted 08/04/2012 at 22:17:04
A repeat of the approach at Sunderland will do nicely
484 Posted 08/04/2012 at 23:12:25
Regarding the team, Howard, Neville, Johnny, Distin and Baines.
Fellaini, Gibson, Osman and ? Cahill and Jelavic.
Whichever way we look at it without Pienaar our midfield is imbalanced, I would presume if fit Coleman will play pushing Ossie out to the left.
Would anyone here leave Cahill out and go with 5 in the middle? with Ossie and Fellaini pushing on?
486 Posted 09/04/2012 at 01:06:46
Moyesy's team talk should be brief, simple, to the point and this very slight paraphrase of the best battle plan in literature...
Lister: well, I say let's get out there and twat `em
488 Posted 09/04/2012 at 03:02:02
I've noticed in their last 2 games they've become increasingly desperate in that period and been dropping like flies as soon as an opposition player comes near them. They also increase their foul rate.
We'll need a strong ref to cut out that cheating bullshit.
492 Posted 09/04/2012 at 03:36:47
The team they put out we should be able to beat, hopefully someone like Cahill can rise to the occasion as he wont we warming the bench along with Neville and he is due for a brace. Of course I don't care where the goals come from so long as we can get more than them.
Perhaps a pile driver from Gibson testing their inexperienced keeper will be the order of the day. It's against the shite and our record against them for the last 10 years does not make good reading. Fingers crossed for a 2-0 win.
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