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Transfer Trash Talk #5

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So in my eyes Villa-Boas's arrival at Chelsea is likely to spell the end of Daniel Sturridge's first team chances there. With Torres a certain starter, Drogba and Anelka still there and Villa-Boas very likely to bring in Falcao or Neymar or both that doesn't leave alot of space for Sturridge. I think Moyes should make his loan signing a priority.

He was comfortably England's best player at the U21-Euros (not saying much); has pace, skill, strength and most importantly the ability to score a goal out of nothing. A trait we could desperately have done with last year.

If we can get him on loan, with Chelsea paying part of his wages, then hopefully, when he is forced to admit that he is unlikely to get guaranteed first team action at Chelsea, we will be his first choice.

The only downside would be that if he does really well with us this season that Chelsea might not let him go. But if the downside is us getting a 15-20 goal man this season then I'm happy.

The upside is that we could get one of the best young English strikers around to form a brilliant strike duo with Hallam Hope in 3 or 4 years time.
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Stephen Leary
1   Posted 22/06/2011 at 15:42:04

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With what money?
Gavin Ramejkis
2   Posted 22/06/2011 at 15:51:19

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Sturridge linked heavily to Newcastle on loan already. Rumours today include Vicente and Bothroyd, Vicente not the player he was after injuries and Bothroyd never was.
Brian Waring
3   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:15:14

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Bothroyd also heavily linked with QPR,
hopefuly thats where he'll end up.

Also, isen't Sturridge on 75k a week at Chelsea? Even with Chelsea paying some of his wages, we still wouldn't be able to afford him.
Brian Waring
4   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:17:53

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Also Sam, one of the Chelsea fans down here has said that Chelsea are not prepared to loan him out again, and would rather sell, and looking for 15m +.
Trevor Lynes
5   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:19:16

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In my humble opinion Sturridge will be an England star of the future and it would be a tremendous coup if we could have him on loan whatever his salary....Im sure that a suitable agreement could be agreed...he has great ball control for a youngster and his potential is the best of the under twenty one's by a mile....If we continue to do nothing and just watch as virtually every other premier side improves their respective squads...I suggest we change our EFC signature tune to I who have nothing !!!!!!!!!
I look at the transfer news each day (and night) and am becoming so frustrated at the lack of activity.
The official site is full of stupid reports of trivial items that only fuel my frustrations as I read of other clubs manouverings.
Dave Lynch
6   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:10:51

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Please.
Will people realise we are not going to sign anyone with quality or of an age younger than 28 ish.
We are going to end up with cast offs and loans and all buisness will be done in the last week of the deadline.
This is the way we have done buisness for the past few seasons and nothing will change.
Lack of money and a dithering manager will see to this.
Don't put yourself through the wringer, it's not worth it. I have been guilty of it in the past myself and the anxiety it causes is not worth the hassle.
Gavin Ramejkis
7   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:29:38

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not getting Sturridge on loan last time round was a big mistake as was keeping Anichebe who is a waste of time as a striker, Bothroyd would be a real backwards move as he is worse than what we are looking to get rid of
Brian Waring
8   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:28:49

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Trevor, BK couldn't, and probalby wouldn't pay 75k a week wages for a loan player.
Andrew Ellams
9   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:40:44

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If Bolton do sell Cahill, you can be sure they will try and spend a big chunk of that on Sturridge.
Sam Hoare
10   Posted 22/06/2011 at 16:44:12

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Hmm, lots of pessimism. Understandably so.

I still feel that if he does go out on loan, which seems very possible, then we should definitely be in the running. With Vaughan and Pienaar gone, Yobo and Yak packing their bags there must be some wages left over. Hope keeps me going. Even if its blind!
Chris Keightley
11   Posted 22/06/2011 at 17:08:24

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Quick early signings are needed in order to keep the fans happy ? I believe that will be the case; should it drag on throughout the summer, the money people spend supporting Everton will be seriously tested. I expect Kenwright knows this and will allow Moyes to bring in a couple in the first week of July... whether they are good players for the money will be the clincher for most!!

I think we have a decent side at present and are not a million miles away from having a very competitive side that could, with a following wind, pick up a trophy this season.

Jay Harris
12   Posted 22/06/2011 at 17:22:06

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They say "No news is good news" but unfortunately at EFC the reverse is true.

Agree with you Dave #5 but we still cant help ourselves desperately looking for some good news everyday.
Chris Perry
13   Posted 22/06/2011 at 17:32:01

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A very stupid question:

Loads of rumours going around about this player and that player. Why are we so quiet in the market? After all, Moyes stated he wanted the transfer dealing done early this close season! Howard and other senior players were talking about "big signings"!

Kev Lacey
14   Posted 22/06/2011 at 17:54:46

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Only works in the short term. If he's a success it means the season after we can't afford him (unless he fires us into the top 4!). Then were back to square one again. We need to be thinking more long term and trying to build a team with a bit of longevity
John Tyrrell
15   Posted 22/06/2011 at 18:24:06

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If someone offers 25+ mil for rodwell as much as i don't want to say it i'd take it and bring in sturridge, n-zogbia and donovan.
then i'd play 433 with fell, arteta and heit in the middle and sturridge n-zogbia and donovan up front.
Don Kiddick
16   Posted 22/06/2011 at 18:35:31

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Oh jesus...please read my other replies to similar threads..............................it will never happen...ever....ever
Andy Crooks
17   Posted 22/06/2011 at 18:56:02

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No money for transfers, no money for wages. no money to pay the bank. Anything you read about us being linked to anyone is fabrication.
On deadline day we will sign someone who will astonish us.......as no one will ever have heard of him or we will have thought he had retired at worst. or, was actually dead.
This summer will be a period of keeping the wage bill down. If possible cashing in on the loaned players and giving the money to the banks.This summer will define our future and we are terrifyingly dependent on Bill Kenwright.
Jamie Tulacz
18   Posted 22/06/2011 at 19:08:29

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Riquelme seen at Finch Farm???! (it's got to happen eventually.

Shandy Andy recalled from the Dog & Duck 4ths, to take Big Vics place on the right wing?

That's about my ambitions for this summer unless BK funds a pot to piss in..
Alec Laurie
19   Posted 22/06/2011 at 19:17:49

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Brian #7, BK couldn't, and probably wouldn't, pay a 75k FEE for a PERMANENT player!

We're signing nobody
Andy Riley
20   Posted 22/06/2011 at 20:53:14

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I think we need to be patient and try to think things through a bit. From things that came from DM himself he realises that a striker as top class as he can possibly afford is a priority and he may be prepared to sacrifice one or more of the better players in the squad to achieve that. I think until he's concluded exactly where the land lies on that one he's probably keeping whatever money he has in his pocket unless there's a deal available with no real financial outlay (in football terms) and the individual concerned may be worth a small gamble (e.g. Bothroyd). I think therefore anything else linking the likes of Wes Brown is just paper talk without any foundation and lazy journalism based on little more than hopeful kite flying by agents.
Dean Adams
21   Posted 22/06/2011 at 20:55:44

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Heard we were in talks with Cody Arnoux, that great american college player...............................................................oh no that was afew years ago.....bloody summers thet are all the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trevor Lynes
22   Posted 22/06/2011 at 21:14:44

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John # 14....If Rodders is worth what you think then Sturridge is worth much more....if we managed to get him on loan he would be a real coup....Rodwell did not make a regular place in England under twenty one's, Sturridge was a success compared to the rest !! He will be a star in the future mark my words !! Rodwell will not because he seems to lack confidence and is not improving !!

Dave # 5 is unfortunately quite right and I must say I DO get so frustrated with the constant talk of having no money....where does it all go ?? We loan out more players each season and leave ourselves threadbare when we get injuries....luckily, Pienaar covered for Arteta very well and later Ozzie played as well as he ever has when he returned from injury....but we are getting bailed out each season and playing brinkmanship....
Our defence played very well and its no coincidence that Baines, Jags and Distin were our best players over the season.
Saha when fit is our best striker as he proved when he was the only striker we had who had a motm performance in ONE match all season.
Steve Pugh
23   Posted 22/06/2011 at 22:41:46

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Chelsea will not loan a player to a team that has the potential to challenge their position in the top four. A good striker like Sturridge could turn us into that team, therefore it will never happen.
Michael Brien
24   Posted 23/06/2011 at 07:09:45

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It's still only June and some people are already hitting the panic button. To read some of the comments you would think that there are 19 clubs in the Premier League who get it right and Everton who always get it wrong. I think that sometimes it is good to look at some of the others and you will see that many clubs in the Premier League have not been very active in the transfer market and have even lost star players with no replacements apparent.

1. Aston Villa - how about the saga of their search for a new manager ? They could bring it out on dvd under the title " How Not to look for a Manager". They also look to be losing Ashley Young and possibly Stewart Downing.
2. Manchester United - surely not you say - well who is going to be their 1st choice goalkeeper next season? The venerable Sir Alex has known for months that Van der Saar was going to retire - any sign of a replacement for this key position ?
3. Arsenal - I wish I had a fiver for every time I've opened the sports pages and found a story as to whether or not Fabregas is going to Barcelona.
4. Newly promoted Swansea - team building ? Bringing in new players ? How about retaining the goalkeeper who has been one of the " mainstays " of the team in the last few seasons? He couldn't agree a new contract.
5. Sunderland - Gyan a great signing a few months ago - who can now leave!!
6. Tottenham - Modric to stay or go.

That's just a few examples of some of the situations at other clubs - what has it got to do with Everton ? Well as I said - sometimes it's good to look at other clubs - then you realise all is not perfect with other clubs as well.
Richard Parker
25   Posted 23/06/2011 at 08:30:33

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Michael (24). I really don't think that the 6 situations you list are at all comparable to Everton, nor do they reassure me that other clubs are facing difficulties.

Villa appointed McLeish nearly a week ago and if they sell Young and Downing, they'll have cash for the new manager to start building a side to suit him.

Man Utd are apparently bringing in de Gea, although nothing is signed yet - I think we can rest assured that they will be bringing in a quality keeper.

So Arsenal lose Fabregas to Barca, then have 35M to spend on players.... Wenger is pretty well known for getting a good return on investment.

Swansea - don't know too much but I'm not sure that a newly promoted side, that hasn't been in the top flight for as long as I can remember is necessarily a good yard-stick.

Sunderland have already made new signings and apparently have bid 8M for Wickham. I'd be very happy for Everton to have done the same... even if we lost a decent player in the meantime.

Tottenham - so Modric goes for many millions, they'll miss him, but will surely sign a couple of good players with the money. Spurs always have cash for players anyway and Harry has pulled a few rabbits out - van der Vaart at Spurs??! Really!?!

All that just to say, that we have no good strikers and no really good wingers. We have an ageing squad and the annual "we just need to keep the squad together" target will actually be a step backwards. We have no cash to be able to influence the situation, therefore a squad light on quality AND quantity is going to be diminished in order to be able to invest.

We know that we can't move forward with the players we have. Something has to change this summer and if that means losing 2 or 3 of our bankable assets, then so be it. Time to rebuild - this squad has had it's moment.
Richard Parker
26   Posted 23/06/2011 at 08:48:12

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Oh yeah - and Sunderland just got Larsson in. Why didn't we try?
Kunal Desai
27   Posted 23/06/2011 at 09:05:48

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Surely having endured the misery of the last 2/3 years of these transfer (winter & summer) it has become customary not to expect any transfer activity from Everton until the last week or two before the window closes.

We are scrounging around for players and therefore those that want to get rid of players at any price before the window closes, we'll be in the market for, its like buying food items in the reduced sections in the supermarket.

I don't see too much transfer activity at all, perhaps just the one no mark player in and would not be at all surprised if we weren't to bring a striker in and instead have the Yak back.
Unfortunately good players cost me - WE DON'T HAVE. Good players also want top dollar - WE WILL NOT PAY.
Anthony Hughes
28   Posted 23/06/2011 at 09:46:51

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Until we've sold players we won't bring anyone in. The board never produce money themselves. Any incoming deals are always funded by outgoing player sales.
Mark Stone
29   Posted 23/06/2011 at 11:22:20

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John Tyrell, where is the other 40m coming from to fund that little deal you've got going on there?
Gavin Ramejkis
30   Posted 23/06/2011 at 11:24:43

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Michael #24 Everton were outspent by Conference sides in the last window and not sure if anyone actually spent less last summer, the repetition of fuck all investment from the board, not even enough money to loan players, reduction of playing staff in what was already the smallest squad in the EPL - our headcount now includes players who have never played even as a sub in the Premier League and you think people are jumping to quick conclusions?

Everton but for the grace of good fortune and players coming into form after xmas without serious injuries would have been well and truly screwed. How long would you be happy to cross everything you have hoping we dont get serious injuries in positions we have no cover for - Baines gets an Arteta or Jagielka type injury what happens? Beckford gets a serious injury then what happens? It's serious concern because some people care passionately about the club and in their view the team and manager can't keep performing get out of jail tricks forever.
Andy Codling
31   Posted 23/06/2011 at 12:41:26

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Glad i saved my season ticket money for an extra holiday instead of being taken in by early bird discount crap and talk of signings done early by Dave puppet moyes and bill i am a lying fucking prick kenwright.
Tom Astley
32   Posted 23/06/2011 at 13:15:05

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We probably didn't go for Larsson because he wouldn't improve what we have.
Moyes has said all along he only wants to bring in players now who will improve the squad.
Granted, we need more numbers, and Larsson would have made them up, but as we know, Moyes sticks to his guns and will probably only be looking to bring in 'better' players than we currently have.

Back to OP, we should definitely make getting Sturridge on loan a priority, and I doubt he is on 75,000 p/w either.
I am hoping Moyes has a few jokers up his sleeve which he is waiting until the first week of July to play, because he knows, and we know, that we can't afford to stand still again for another season
Chris Keightley
33   Posted 23/06/2011 at 13:51:10

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Tom, I presume when you say "Jokers up his sleeves" you mean Kenwright and Elstone???
Si Harwood
34   Posted 23/06/2011 at 13:58:17

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Great talent - showed he has what it takes and much more while at Bolton last season and for the Under 21's. I would love for his to sign. But cash is not there unless we all chip in 10 each??
Michael Brien
35   Posted 23/06/2011 at 14:22:50

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Gavin #30 and Richard# 25 - I mentioned the other clubs not as you suggested Richard in the case of Swansea City as a yardstick or benchmark - but merely to show that things with other clubs don't always go to plan.



"Man Utd are apparently bringing in de Gea, although nothing is signed yet - I think we can rest assured that they will be bringing in a quality keeper." Well apparently not according to this weeks papers!!! And with regard to bringing in a replacement keeper - they have had long enough knowing that Van der Saar was going to retire - I seem to remember an Italian goalkeeper they signed who was going to be the the replacement for Schmeichel - Sir Alex didn't exactly get it right then did he - oh what about Djemba Djemba - that great midfield dynamo ??!!

It's not how much you spend the money that counts it's if you get value for money. If it was about how much you spent then Chelsea would have done the double again last season - 50M for Torres the biggest transfer of the season. About 50M more than we paid for Beckford - who did the better deal ?

As I said it ,does you good sometimes to look at other clubs and Richard you say Wenger will spend the 35M wisely. Much as I admire AW - he has certainly come in for a lot of criticism this year - haven't you heard of the goalkeeping crisis at Arsenal - they had to resort to bring back Lehmann ?!!!
Sunderland have made signings - but they lost Henderson to Liverpool and last season's "golden boy" Gyan looks to be surpus to requirements. They may have did 8M for Wickham - but didn't Ipswich turn down a similar bid from Liverpool ?

Back in 1966 - we signed one of the best players in our history a matter of a few days before the start of the season - Alan Ball. Yes a different era - but let's remember it's still June - and not every club in the PL has done all their "recruitment"- there are several clubs yet to bring anyone in.

Mark Stone
36   Posted 23/06/2011 at 15:42:28

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Tom Astley #32, he is on 75k/week. He left Man City because they wouldn't give him that much, but Chelsea would. It was a pretty big story at the time because this chancer who had hardly even played in the first team was holding the club to ransom.
Richard Parker
37   Posted 23/06/2011 at 16:04:23

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Michael - I would imagine that at any given club no season ever goes 100% to plan, but Man Utd needing a new keeper doesn't help me to feel better about Everton needing 2 decent strikers, 2 decent wingers and a backup left-back at a minimum. It is quite clear that before the end of August, United will have a keeper in. He might not be Schmeichel or VDS, but they certainly have the resources to tackle the problem, as do Villa, Arsenal, Sunderland and Spurs. So I suppose the closest comparison might well be Swansea.

The point is that regardless of what's going on at other clubs Everton's position is dire, uncomparable with the small issues that you highlight in your post, and with the current set of parameters we're slowly dying as any kind of top flight club. It's a bit premature to talk about the Championship yet, but give it 5 years with no real change.....
Gavin Ramejkis
38   Posted 23/06/2011 at 16:09:26

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Michael #34 you haven't said where DM is going to get the funds from for any purchases as he's had nothing from the board for a few seasons now. Given the size of the squad, only those not actively involved last season wouldn't be missed so Yobo and Yakubu and Vaughan, the Vaughan money has disappeared like the Pienaar money as have the loan fee for Yakubu and wages saved. Fringe players or those with little or no impact such as Bily and Rodwell (not fringe but did fuck all last season) and they'd have to find mugs to pay a decent price, subsequently they'd need to be replaced which costs money. The fatal flaw in the latter is money disappears at GP into other operating costs or to pay off the ridiculous number of mortgages BK has amassed or other long term debt.
Guy Wilkinson
39   Posted 23/06/2011 at 18:26:11

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Good call Sam Hoare. Agree entirely.
Michael Brien
40   Posted 23/06/2011 at 18:42:34

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Richard - we were outspent by Sunderland last season - didn't do them much good did it? The point I am trying to make is you seem to think it's all wonderful at other clubs whilst at Everton the situation is dire. It may not make you feel better about Everton - but looking at other clubs can help put things into perspective.

Gavin - as you seem to know where the money for the various players has gone e.g. Pienaar maybe you can use your insight to tell me and the many other Public Sector workers there are where Mr "We're All In this Together "Osbourne is going to put the pension money that he is intending to take from us.
Gavin Ramejkis
41   Posted 23/06/2011 at 19:06:26

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Michael what I can tell you is that the tories have ring fenced foreign aid to the tune of billions claing it's less than 2% GDP, those billions would solve Public Sector wages, out of interest I was a public sector worker up to the 1990's when I ran out of patience for shit pay and shit treatment, nothing stopping you from joining the real world if you think its so bad, my wife is a nurse so I know how badly renumerated that sector has always been but no one is going to come to your door and hand you a free bag of money, you move on or shut up moaning as only you can make the change as harsh as it sounds you aren't forced into a job its a choice.

The tories and labour did fuck all to regulate the banks, ask yourself why places like Iceland jailed their bankers and told them as private companies to sort out their own shit instead of tax payer bail outs whereas the UK got shitloads of tax payers money the head of the largest corporate loss in UK history Fred the Shred not only didn't get jailed but got a golden handshake pension in the region of half a million pound a year, I guess that answers me knowing where your money and mine as tax payers has gone but not why Everton have been ran so poorly as a business as the UK banking economy had nothing to do with the Bear Stearns millstone or KD or DK.
Michael Brien
42   Posted 24/06/2011 at 07:18:35

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Gavin".......you move on or shut up moaning......" - at my age coming up to mid 50's it is not so easy to move on as you say. And as regards moaning - that is rather a generalised comment is it not? One that could be used to dismiss any legitimate complaint - " Not happy that we have arrested and placed under house arrest your democratically eleted leader ? Well you can leave Burma if you don't like how we govern the country"

Anyway back to the reality of Everton - and talking of reality having just had a quick look at the BBC Football website it is dire reading again for Evertonians. All the big deals seem to be being done by Manchester United - with Modric now being mentioned. I remember the time when it was Everton who would be making the headines. back in February/March 1974 there was the Bob Latchfoord transfer and then later in the year ( in early 1974-75 season I think) Martin Dobson. Heady days indeed - around the same time I think Man United were signing the likes of Wyn Davies and Jim Holton.

Times have changed - but we have known that for a number of years now. And I really thibk we need to be realistic about Everton's activities in the transfer market. We can't compete against the likes of Man United - so we should try to. Even Spurs will be hard pushed to keep hold of Modric and Bale. And remember they lost Berbatov to Man United and the lure of Champions League football. The signing of Fellaini - whilst we gained a very good player - only served to perpetuate the myth that Everton could compete with the big spenders in the transfer market. At the moment we can't- that's the reality of the situation.
Richard Parker
43   Posted 24/06/2011 at 07:50:35

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Hi Michael

It's all very well saying that money can't solve everything, or that some teams spent loads but did shit. That's their problem and the owners of the clubs might want to look into that. On the flip side, if we don't have money, how can we possibly fill the gaping holes in the squad?

The teams you mention have the tools to go out and solve their problems, it's up to them to put them to good use. Their issues, such as we might lose a player here or we need a replacement there is nothing compared to the issue of a small, ageing, increasingly ineffective squad and the fact that Moyes has nothing at his disposal to solve these problems is the big difference.
Thomas Owen
44   Posted 24/06/2011 at 13:05:26

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I, like I'm sure a lot of you are, have spent the few weeks since the season ended looking on the net and in the daily rags for some kind of transfer news... but it's so quiet!

All I seem to come across are negative stories about how broke we are and which players we are going to sell. Does anyone actually know of or have any idea what is happening regarding transfers? Or even just a positive rumour!?!

Joe Fletcher
45   Posted 25/06/2011 at 14:51:05

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Leighton Baines has been an excellent servant to the club and don't get me wrong, Bainsey is brilliant... but, if we sold him for a bit of money, then we could bring in new players like N'Zogbia, Long, Brown and possibly Adam.

I know many people reading this would think "No way, we wouldn't have a good left back," but a good way of sealing a deal would be offering Baines to Arsenal for Clichy plus 5-10 million. I have always admired Clichy as a player and I think that his style of play will fit in well with us.

Matt Traynor
46   Posted 27/06/2011 at 15:14:52

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Making a Twansfer

No a Twansfer is not a Woy Hodgson signing...

Interview with the Yeovil Manager Terry Skiverton about how their transfer of former Everton protege Kieran Agard was done by Twitter - hence the first Twansfer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13902307.stm

So all you tweeps out there, get on there, there must be a chance of getting a few players in seeing as we're potless? Talk them into to signing for nothing, no fee, preferably no wages...

Mike Keating
47   Posted 27/06/2011 at 16:04:20

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What's worse - going on NewsNow every morning to find we are linked with every player we can't afford and freebies we don't want or logging on this (Sunday) morning to find we don't even feature on any Rumour Mill?

ps: For those of you who can't get through the day without regular doses of blues related bullshit here's the link:

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=everton&searchheadlines=1

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