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Everton and Arsenal - not that far apart...

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Not in terms of a league finish, no. But in other ways Everton and Arsenal are going through very similar problems. They are as follows:

Manager ? Both clubs neither know, nor dare think about what life will be like after their managers have left. Their managers have become institutions; unquestioningly supported from above and stubborn in their ways. Both managers refuse, pointblank, to deviate from their age-old methods.

Transfer policy ? Both clubs are absolutely resolute in their stereotypical transfers (while Everton still made some). Arsenal buy potential, technically wonderful players who are young and not ready. Arsenal do not buy 'grafters' or 'workhorses'. Everton buy (used to...) utility players, grafters and are deeply suspicious of talented 'natural' players.

Money ? Arsenal have it, but won't spend it. The supporters find this maddening, but their manager is in complete control and is acting out of stubborness. Everton don't have it, and don't spend it. Everton supporters find it maddening.

Tactics ? Whoever the opposition, whatever the tie, whatever is at stake, Arsenal will attempt to pass through their opposition, even when it is failing and they run out of ideas. Whoever the opposition, whatever the tie, whatever is at stake, Everton will pack the midfield and play percentage football even when it is failing and they run out of ideas. Neither side has a Plan B.

Supporters ? Arsenal supporters are utterly fucked off with being told how lucky they are with what they have. Everton supporters are the same. (Lawro on MotD singing Moyes praises instead of talking about his substitutions.)

Future ? Arsenal are losing ground with the teams they are used to competing with (Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs). Everton are losing ground with the teams they are used to competing with (Aston Villa, Spurs, Stoke, Sunderland, Man City).

The main difference is, I guess, Arsenal can spend their way out of this current inertia. Everton cannot.
Mark Tanton, Sheffield     Posted 21/08/2011 at 08:11:17

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Kunal Desai
1   Posted 21/08/2011 at 13:14:41

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Arsenal won't finish in a champions league place and Everton won't finish in a europa cup spot.

Wenger is just stubborn and treats the funds available to him like his own money as for Moyes, well he has nothing.
Chris Butler
2   Posted 21/08/2011 at 13:41:47

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Nonsense. Moyes has spent Millions on players. He could have money if he wanted... he's similar to Wenger, has a stubborn transfer policy. He won't sell non-vital players to fund new transfers. Why didn't we get rid of Arteta, Jagielka and maybe Rodwell to fund transfers. Kunal, Moyes is just as bad as BK.
Lewis Barclay
3   Posted 21/08/2011 at 15:01:50

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@Chris2 -

I think you'll find the reason that Arteta, Jags and Rodwell are still at Everton are because if they were sold the money would go straight to the banks and would not fund more signings.

Michael Coffey
4   Posted 21/08/2011 at 17:09:25

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Arsenal have a local authority in complete thrall to them.

Everton do not.
Neil Adams
5   Posted 21/08/2011 at 17:59:34

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Arsenal have a nice new stadium and plenty of money in the bank. Plus a few players that I would love to see gracing a Blue shirt (Arshavin, van Persie, Walcott, hell I'd even take Rosicky at the moment).

I'd wager there will be more than 20 points between us and Arsenal come the end of the season. Comparisons only hold up to so much scrutiny...
Ray Robinson
6   Posted 21/08/2011 at 18:32:45

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Mark, on two of your points (Transfer Policy and Money), you seem to argue that we ARE poles apart.
Mark Tanton
7   Posted 21/08/2011 at 18:37:44

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Not really Ray, my point was that neither club spends money. Arsenal just have it.

On my transfer policy point, I was saying that both clubs dogmatically pursue a certain kind of policy and certain kind of player.
Steve Woods
8   Posted 21/08/2011 at 19:01:46

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About the time the PL was invented nearly 20 years ago and at about the time BK became a major shareholder it could be argued that "Everton and Arsenal" were not that far apart. Similar history, similar size ground capacity. Look what their board have done for the club in 20 years and look what ours including BK has done for ours. We are now worlds apart, thanks very much BK and the board.
Stephen Kenny
9   Posted 22/08/2011 at 07:55:30

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Steve,

The contrast between what can be done with forward thinking directors could not be more start.

For any Evertonian who wanty to give it the be careful what you wish for nonsense go and have a look at the Emirates, the stadium of Light or even Villa park and ask yourself what Goodison should have had done to her over the past 20 years.
Craig Walker
10   Posted 22/08/2011 at 13:07:58

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It's a complete myth that Wenger doesn't spend money. Walcott, Arshavin, Ramsay, Chamakh, Rosicky etc.

This weekend was a complete nadir for me. I watched the RS get a completely jammy win with an offside own goal and then celebrate like they're champions. Then watched as Everton did they're usual disappearing act in the first game.

Sick to death of hearing platitudes from Neville etc. all summer and then not turning up until it's too late.
Julian Wait
11   Posted 22/08/2011 at 16:28:51

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I didn't even read the detail. Reality is I envy Arsenal more than any other club.

They've had a history of success, they've completely shed the boring-boring Arsenal image, and they have a spanking new ground. They've shipped out the players who let them down and they're bringing in new ones to replace them, by youth policy, "stolen youth", or purchase.

They haven't (blatantly) bought success like Chelsea or Man City have (I accept all success is facilitated by money, hence our predicament).

They have one of the / the largest markets in the world to operate in, are close one of the world's financial centres, and have a new stadium.

Wenger can be a tool (or rather he used to be, he's generally improved of late) but he does believe in playing football the right way, in some ways to a fault.

If neutral, who would you rather watch? Where would you rather watch? Everyone knows Arsenal, and where they are from, and they don't have their City's name in the club name.

Arsenal were unlucky against a decent Liverpool side, in possibly their darkest modern-day hour. Sad to say but it's no competition right now between us and them.

Read this:

http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/7117777/What-s-It-Like-Supporting-A-Zombie-Club-

Make me want to cry.

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