A bad week for Everton and a very depressing week for supporters. I would like a new board and a new coach but that isn't happening any time soon. So what next? What straws are to be clutched at? Is there a silver lining?
When David Moyes took over, he stated that he wanted to remove the label "crisis club" from Everton. To his credit, he achieved this. The label is back but bigger. It's got to be dealt with. We need to be looked at differently.
Maybe we can re-brand ourselves as the first club to embrace reality. At present it looks like Jagielka is our most likely saleable asset. Of course I'd like to keep him but £17 million is good business and we can cope without him. That money should go straight to the bank reducing our debt substantially and make us look less cash-strapped and more, err, prudent. Offloading the Yak and Yobo will cut the wage bill again. (I'd keep the Yak but that's unlikely.)
As for silver linings... well, by all accounts Ross Barkley is it. Plus a pal who was at the match, who is admittedly a staunch Moyes supporter, is adamant we didn't deserve to lose.
I have stated on other threads just how disgusted I was yesterday but this is where we are and life must go on.
Andy Crooks, Posted 21/08/2011 at 11:24:52
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1 Posted 21/08/2011 at 13:15:50
I would like to see some of young guns given a chance vs Sheff Utd and the following team:
Neville Duffy Distin Baines
Arteta Barkley Mcaleny
For me that team has strength and heigh at the back, steel in midefield and some spark and creativity up front. If Vellios is ready then start Saha. Beckford is not a lone striker.
2 Posted 21/08/2011 at 14:05:31
3 Posted 21/08/2011 at 14:24:24
4 Posted 21/08/2011 at 14:27:31
Sadly,yesterday's performance proved to me that we are EVERTON-the next Leeds Utd-a once great club ruined by mismanagement from top to bottom.
5 Posted 21/08/2011 at 14:31:57
6 Posted 21/08/2011 at 14:48:21
Still stung and smarting today from that apocalypse. Made much worse because the hope was of course that we would put the off-the-field stuff behind us, and get a lift from matters on the pitch .
It was and will remain an unmitigated disaster, for which board, manager and players all share responsibility. For the first time for many years I genuinely fear for our future.
7 Posted 21/08/2011 at 14:34:28
The other players that should be sold are Distin,Rodwell,Cahill,Saha,Yobo. This money must be spent on improving the team.
Fellaini's best position is just in front of the back 4.
Barkley is not yet good enough for the Premiership.
Jagielka must not be sold. He would be a terrible miss.
Yakubu must be played all the time to get his match fitness back.
Billy should be given an extended run to get his confisence back.
We had a bad miss and hit the cross bar against QPR and that was about it. Our general play was negative and unproductive. When QPR began to realise what a poor team they were playing their confidence grew and in a few spells we couldn't get the ball off them and they showed superior technical ability. This is very worrying because QPR will definetly end up in the bottom 6.
8 Posted 21/08/2011 at 14:57:56
9 Posted 21/08/2011 at 15:16:03
Barkley not yet good enough for premiership? He probably has many things to learn and improve on, but he was the best player yesterday (some might say Distin, and baines is never crap)
But if Barkley isn't good enough then who is??? The rest of the team stank out the place yesterday.
10 Posted 21/08/2011 at 15:55:33
1.Rodwell - played out of position
2. Fellaini on for Beckford leaving us with no recognised strikers on the pitch and 3 on the bench.
Moyes thinks that he is untouchable, above any criticism. " In Moyes We Trust" - a foolish and misplaced trust in my opinion.He is without doubt the most over rated manager in the Premier League.
Could another manager get more out of the squad of players that we have ? Absolutely - I think that there are 19 other managers in the Premier league who could have picked a better line up than Moyes did yesterday. He thinks that he is above any criticism and for far too long too many Evertonians have acted as if he is beyond any criticism. Harry S Truman the US President of the 1940's and 50's had a plaque on his desk with the legend - " The Buck Stops Here". Take note Mr Moyes and all you Davey Lovers out there - the responsibility is with Moyes - he picks the team - he decides on the tactics. In my opinion he has become Gordon Lee with a better PR machine nehind him. But he would do well to remember that you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
11 Posted 21/08/2011 at 16:18:43
12 Posted 21/08/2011 at 17:48:35
13 Posted 21/08/2011 at 18:23:18
14 Posted 21/08/2011 at 18:23:18
15 Posted 21/08/2011 at 18:47:07
16 Posted 21/08/2011 at 19:36:55
17 Posted 21/08/2011 at 19:44:59
We should have sold him months ago and bought Scot Dann in and still have £6 mill over.
Poor management.... piss-poor board.
18 Posted 21/08/2011 at 20:00:55
19 Posted 21/08/2011 at 20:47:17
For me, clearing the debt is the most important thing the club can do to start to move forward.
Remember, a £45m debt costs you £90m by the end of the loan.
20 Posted 21/08/2011 at 20:52:05
Develop the players, sell them at profits. Keep this system until we are in a position not to be a selling club.
21 Posted 21/08/2011 at 21:09:06
22 Posted 21/08/2011 at 21:33:49
23 Posted 21/08/2011 at 21:30:18
I don't think any Everton player gave a man of the match performance against QPR.
Jagielka alongside Baines is our best defender. He has become an international player and played exceptionally well for Everton on many occasions. I would say he is not as focused as much as he should be at the moment because of the transfer speculation. It's very similar to Lescott's situation. You just cannot replace players like Jagielka with short term knee jerk signings. Just like Distin is not a satisfactory replacement for Lescott. A team with a weak defence will not last very long in the Premiership.
The main player we should be selling is Rodwell. There was a lot of hype last season about how good he is but this is starting to die away. We really should have cashed in on him by now. The longer we keep him the the harder it will be to get a good transfer fee for him because he is not developing into anything special.
24 Posted 22/08/2011 at 00:17:18
I do have to take issue with your lauding of jagielka. A remendous recovering, dogged tackler of a centre back but you will go a long way to see a poorer distributer of a football. I would disagree with part of your statement that "you just cannot replace players like Jagielka with knee jerk signings". I agree that knee jerk signings may not be a sound policy but I feel he certainly can be replaced. I am NO great fan of Heitinga. But the Dutch national coach selected him at centre back in a World Cup tournament, indeed for a final. Leaving aside any outcomes of that for a moment, can you ever envisage Jagielka being chosen for a World Cup final? Perhaps Heitinga MAY be worth turning to if Jagielka's transfer could raise much needed and substantial funds. Perhaps only a coaching set-up such as Mr Wenger's could improve Jagielka's current dreadful inability regarding the passing of a football?
25 Posted 22/08/2011 at 05:22:46
It is a disgrace that we are in this position, but the first step in solving a crisis is to first accept that you are indeed in a crisis.
The only way forward for me from this point of despair would be to sell players around the age of 30 (Jags, Arteta, Cahill, Yak, Yobo) while they still have value in the market - plus one of our younger stars (Rodwell, Fellaini) if absolutely necessary. We then should bring in younger, cheaper prospects from the lower divisions or abroad, on lower wages, who will have re-saleable value in the future.
Start from there - pray to God it works and we stay up. The club clears most of it's debt, becomes a far more attractive investment, and Uncle Bill can then fuck off before he completely destroys the club we love - if he hasn't done so already.
26 Posted 22/08/2011 at 06:40:38
Moyes seems to be basking in the knowledge that he is apparently " untouchable". Well if Wenger who is a far better manager than he is can be criticised then so can Moyes. Face the facts people - he got the tactics completly wrong and his substitions were almost beyond belief. A manager is supposed to give the team leadership and direction - we got very little of that from Moyes on Saturday.
27 Posted 22/08/2011 at 07:19:30
That could earn us £60-70 million I'd imagine. With that we could clear out the debt and still buy a few more Vellios and Gueye type signings who are at least good enough.
I'd be shocked if we didn't still stay up with:
Nev Hibbo or Duffy Distin Baines
Coleman Osman Cahill Gueye
Beckford Saha or Vellios
... and then 3-4 young replacement types.
I'd be a gamble, but paying all of these huge wages for a team that at this point doesn't seem to have much to play for would at least be exciting. We'd also have the hope of a future with the reduced wages and the opportunity for at least a £10 million of so transfer kitty every season.
It's time that Pride no longer becomes a factor in this club and common sense does. Sell the lot, battle to stay up, make profit instead of debt.
28 Posted 22/08/2011 at 08:44:16
29 Posted 22/08/2011 at 08:52:10
Coleman, Heitinga, Jagielka, Baines
Osman, Arteta, Fellaini, Bilyaletdinov
30 Posted 22/08/2011 at 12:10:02
I think I have sussed out what Moyesie is up to. He's trying to hang on to all his best players until the transfer window is shut. He sent everyone out either under prepared or in the wrong position, so nobody would buy them! Cunning bastard.
Wenger to buy Jags after that goal - no way. Rodwell out on the right - good one. Fellaini up top to frighten off Chelsea - classic. Obviously forgot to tell Barkley the plan though!
It also explains why he didn't play Yobo or the Yak - he actually does want to sell them but knew their value would drop if they were associated with our crap performances. Obvious, when you think about it ;-)
31 Posted 22/08/2011 at 12:16:47
"Where's Yakubu gone, where's Yakubu Gone.
Where's Yakubu gone, where's Yakubu Gone.
He's not far away,
He scored the other day.
Can we afford his pay.
Where's Yakubu gone, where's Yakubu Gone.
Where's Yakubu gone, where's Yakubu Gone."
Ya gorra laff.
32 Posted 22/08/2011 at 12:20:21
"I am NO great fan of Heitinga. But the Dutch national coach selected him at centre back in a World Cup tournament, indeed for a final. Leaving aside any outcomes of that for a moment, can you ever envisage Jagielka being chosen for a World Cup final?"
Yes i can, if he was in a national squad competing with the central defenders that Heitinga was up against.
Could you see Heitinga getting a game i a world cup final if he was competing against John Terry or Rio F?
33 Posted 22/08/2011 at 13:49:15
Relax Bendan lad, defeatism isnt a jailing offence.
should be though
34 Posted 22/08/2011 at 14:30:59
How is it defeatist to be shell-shocked at losing at home to a newly-promoted club on the first day of the season ?
How is it defeatist to genuinely fear for our future after the recent events both on and off the pitch ?
I have applauded you for your support for the team when the chips have been down and the brickbats have been flying. But you cannot bury your head in the sand forever Dave. The selection of a 4-4-1-1 line-up in this game was inexcusable. As was sending out a team which looked unprepared for the new season. I was at the game against Bohemians and saw the signs there. I chose to ignore them, thinking that it will be different come Saturday. Well it wasn't, and my support for Moyes is now hanging by a slender thread.
Like I said in another thread, we can't go on like this.
35 Posted 22/08/2011 at 14:47:25
36 Posted 22/08/2011 at 15:20:37
I'm old enough to remember when we did have something to look forward to, when we had a chance. Oh for the olden days.
37 Posted 22/08/2011 at 17:44:17
38 Posted 22/08/2011 at 18:12:49
Patience can only last for so long, and I've reached breaking point.
39 Posted 22/08/2011 at 19:13:38
40 Posted 23/08/2011 at 11:16:28
Moyes out !!!! (Possibly even sooner than November Dave, still laughing??????? Penny for your thoughts when thousands of fellow Blues roundly boo'd when he took off our only striker for a midfielder when we were 0-1 down at home to the mighty QPR)
Kenwright out !!!!
Well done the Blue Union 3 !!!!!!
The revolution is under way.....
... And we'll fight fight fight with all our might for the boys in the Royal Blue Jersey.........
41 Posted 23/08/2011 at 20:13:42
Actually everyone around me had been screaming for Beckford to be dragged off long before he was - I think everyone of them could have controlled the balls that were bouncing off him. Saha is obviously not fit, so it was a bit obvious.
Am I still laughing at Moyes gone by November ? Well I`ve suspected he was on the brink of walking for some time, I thought he would taken the Villa job. but I`m pissing myself at your suggestion that he`ll be sacked.
Shows you how out of touch you are.
When you say "fight, fight, fight." is that the bit where you stay up till one oclock then whine like fuck about it ?
Realist ? only if realism is to expect the worst possible scenario and claim every minor setback is the end
42 Posted 23/08/2011 at 21:48:56
Beckford did have a poor game, the reason my friend is that our master tactician played an out and out striker as a target man on his own again. An accusation leveled at Moyes time and time and time and time again, God this is getting repetitive. Beckford did EXACTLY as he was told...... Play with your back to goal, run after every lost ball and hoof like a headless chicken and if you can, create your own chances. His touch got a lot worse the longer the game went on, notice that? It's called fatigue, you mind knows what to do but your body is so shagged it can't work at your normal pace.
Unless Moyes changes his game plan and philosophy PDQ or has an awful lot of luck, his time is up.
I says it as I sees it, when what I see changes, I change what I says, that's why I am not a mad man.
Moyes out, Kenwright out!
43 Posted 23/08/2011 at 22:48:00
dont delude yourself Mate, Beckford had a poor game because he is shite. I mean proper, proper shite. He wasnt up front on his own, he had the equaly useless Cahill along side him - in advance of him most of the time.
I dont want much, a few bevs with my lad and his mates before the game, a few with my old school mates afterwards. and in between I want to watch Everton players do something with a football that I couldnt.
I was ok at footy, not professional standard, but both Cahill and Beckford failed to do a single thing between them that I couldnt have done. . .thousands must have felt like me.
Both have a goal in them but Beckford was gutless and Cahill was clueless on Saturday. their inability to control the ball shamed EFC and embarressed many fans.
Attack Moyes all you want but if we had a half decent striker, who didnt miss the sitters Cahill did-, or didnt stand gormlessly watching crosses fly across the goal - like Beckford - we`d have beaten QPR in a canter.
And that allowing for Captain Hoofballs nightmare.
Moyes out ? Only when he`s good and ready. Too many other people getting money for old rope
44 Posted 23/08/2011 at 23:34:24
Doesnt matter where you play or what formation the manager uses, if you control a ball like Cahill and Beckford, you will kill the team you are playing for stone dead.
45 Posted 24/08/2011 at 08:18:41
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