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Well, it looks like we've sold 3 players for ~£18m, and signed 2 loan players (who 80% of us have never heard of).

Any business is about confindence and i wonder now quite how much damage the release of the BK interview has done?

Arteta was quoted 3 weeks ago saying he had no intention of leaving and wanted to stay and win things. Yet 2 hours before the deadline he apparently wants to leave (and after the last couple of weeks who can blame him?).

How hard now is it going to be to keep Fellaini, Baines, and in a couple of years Barkley?

I appreciate the Blue Union were doing what they thought were best, but can't help feel in publicising the plight of the club (which i'd say was unknown to the majority of the players), has done far more harm than good.

Happy to be covinced otherwise, but definitely a sad day for me.

Martin Paice, South Coast     Posted 31/08/2011 at 23:41:30

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Kevin Sparke
1   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:20:09

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Thanks for the memories Micky Arteta...
Brian Waring
2   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:24:08

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Martin, the damage was done long before blue union came along.
Steven Connor
3   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:20:40

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So its the fault of those who shine the light on the incompetence of the board and chairman ? Not the fault of those responsible for the situation i.e the board and chairman? That's some whack logic that!

The work of the Blue Union boys, combined with the fact that we have shipped out 3 players for fees topping 15 million and brought in a free and a loan to replace them on the very last day of the transfer window, may just begin to open the eyes of those who still swallow the kenwright schmalz.

Surely this is the beginning of the end for him??
Kieran Kinsella
4   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:25:57

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So BK wouldn't have done this if not for the fans? Since we raked in 20 million over the summer shouldn't that reduce our debt to 25 million? Not to mention wage savings .... oh hold on a minute I forgot that 24 million that BK left lying around that somehow got lost. Guess we need this money to recoup that.
Andy Chase
5   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:22:47

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Linking the Blue Union interview and fall out with Arteta's or anyone else's departure is naive at best.

The players knew the score having seen others depart on previous deadline day. I just hope we use the money to pay down our debt and secure the future of our club. However, with our current board I won't hold my breath!

Chris Matheson
6   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:28:33

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Shooting the messengers now are we?

Well here's the real killer: the root problem that forced us to sell three players for £18 mil and replace with a loan and a freebie, that root problem is still there.

The root problem is not the debt. It is what got us into the debt in the first place: the incompetent financial mismanagement of this club by people who simply aren't up to the task of running a football club.
Chris Matheson
7   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:32:55

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Sorry £15 mil!
Tom Owen
8   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:31:46

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Arteta has been a great platter for us but considering our situation I don't blame him for leaving, personally I don't think his departure will affect us that much we will most likely struggle either way! Anyone know what happened with Onuoha?
Ste Hawkins
9   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:29:22

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Don't be daft mate the football world has known for a long time we are skint. Do u remembers Spurs offer for Neville? Our board has driven the Union and fans to this. 1.5mil for the yak? We turned down 6mil for him last august. Yobo had an agreed fee in his loan deal of around 6 million and the turks even knew we couldn'tafford to turn down more than half that. Its a joke BK and this board have taken us as far as then can its time for change. COYB!
Kieran Kinsella
10   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:32:06

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On twitter, James Wallace seemed pretty surprised to hear Arteta had gone.
Robert Johnson
11   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:21:27

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Martin,

Don't really think Arteta going is anything to do with the Blue Union, more to do with the banks putting pressure on the club to reduce the debt.

It is a sad day when again one of your best players has to be sold, and yes your right when you say who's next.

I'm so fucking disillusioned right now,

There are lots of people I would like to blame for the state this football club is in right now, but all I can say is What's the fucking point?
Kieran Kinsella
12   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:36:11

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and James Vaughan says "very suprised #EFC let mikel go without bringing in a replacement! will b a massive loss 4 them!!"
Richard Charles-Jones
13   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:30:09

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Am I sad that Arteta has gone, yes.

But if the sale of him, Yak and Beckford (massive profit there!) brings in what appears to be £16 mil, and their wages are off the books then I'm not too disappointed. (Drenthe & Denis - lets wait and see - i know they will have cost and are only loans... but so was Arteta to begin with)

We all know our clubs position.

So even if all the money raised goes to the bank to reduce our borrowing and helps fund a new contract for Felli... I cant help but think that is good business!?

Might help the sale of the club, might help a new stadium, might just mean that other players have to step up, I still think its a step forward, not backwards.
Kieran Kinsella
14   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:38:27

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My point with the Twitters being that players/team mates are shocked and surprised so can't imagine Cahill etc will be thrilled.
Steve Birkett
15   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:31:07

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There was no-one in for Mikey 3 weeks ago, so of course he's gonna tow the Blue line. Arsenal didn't need him until both Fabregas and Nasri left, hence the last minute move. Something of a surprise but Arteta has been loyal to us for years and deserves a crack at Champs League. He's also been in average form at best recently and we're well stocked in centre mid, so I'm not too worried on that score. Thanks for the memories, Mikel, sure most Blues wish him nothing but the best.

I saw Drenthe coming up through the national team and remember being excited about him before his move to Madrid. We were tentatively linked a few years back but he had bigger offers, so now it's only to be hoped that he's still got the trickery and replace the gaping hole left by Pienaar on our left side.

Up front is the biggest worry. Becks may not have been prolific but he was quick and had potential. If the new guy doesn't come good quickly, or is injury prone, all we've got is the rarely fit Saha and the nightmare scenario of Vic as our only fit striker. Perhaps Vellios could also come through, but feels like clutching at straws Given our main problem is knocking them in, that's huge pressure on Stracka....Strancla....Denis.
Anthony Fox
16   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:41:51

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Are problems stem from years of bad management well before Kenwright took over.. We have been a joke for years. Face facts it is very unlikely anyone is going to buy us.. Only way is if we somehow get a deal for a new stadium otherwise no one will twice.. Get rid of Bill but what happens then????
Steve Edwards
17   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:23:40

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We lost Arteta 18 months ago. It was a big mistake to resign him on £70,000 a week twelve months ago. He has not been the same player since his injury. Take no notice of all the hipe on Sky Sports. We have had the best out of him and sold him on for a vast profit. The only down side is that the money we got will probably go to the bank but at least it should put the club in a better position in the future.

I saw the great Alan Ball go to Arsenal. He was Evertons best post war player by a mile. I was gutted at the time because Ball was Everton. He went there and was only a shadow of the player he was with us. I'm not gutted about this one because we got 10M for a player living on his past reputation. Time to move on. We are not short in central midfied and Arteta will not be missed.
Colin Fitzpatrick
18   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:45:42

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Stuff like, and I cut and paste this directly from your article, ?I appreciate the Blue Union were doing what they thought were best, but can't help feel in publicising the plight of the club (which i'd say was unknown to the majority of the players), has done far more harm than good.? pisses me off no end.

How naive are you? The whole football world has known for ages that Everton were in the shit, the press also knew but they won?t print a word without irrefutable proof. Why do you think Spurs bid £250,000 for Neville, why do you think when their first bid for Yakubu was rejected West Ham came back with a lower bid?

The mentality you?re exhibiting is the reason Everton?s board have got away with this for some time, too many fans have sat back and swallowed the spin whilst in the real world the banks have been dictating to us ? read this, [http://www.scribd.com/doc/61323940/Everton-Director-s-Report-2010 ] this is the directors report that was in last year?s accounts, this information covers the period from June 1st 2009 to May 31st 2010, so some of the information in here is more than two years old; anybody that didn?t understand that we were in the shit then needs to have a word with themselves. Player?s agents know everything that goes on at every club and they tell their clients; the fans, the people who hand over their hard earned money to this club were the last to know.

Jesus wept.
Allan Thornton
19   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:49:30

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Championship footbal next season then ?
Mike Noble
20   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:49:52

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Why sell Arteta and Beckford and not spend a penny only to get an unknown Argentinian striker and a very average Royston Drenthe on loan? With Yakubu also gone we are so short on strikers and no creativity in midfield...what the hell is going on at Everton ?

Is all the money going to pay off the debt and if so why sell? So disappointed with Everton FC!

Ian Tunstead
21   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:43:25

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Can't believe there was an offer of £40m for Modric, Alonso went for £30m the other year and even Mirales has gone for £12-15m and we only get £10m for Arteta. I know he's 29 but some how even if it was 2 years ago before his injury i doubt we would have got more than £10. Other clubs just take the piss out of us.

We now have zero creativity in the side without Arteta and Piennar. If you think the football is bad now, then we are all in for a shock. The game plan will be to by-bass the midfield. A Jaggs long ball up field to Denis and Anichebe. Barkley better be as good as Rooney or we could be fucked.
Robert Elliott
22   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:46:26

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We've lost good players before and managed to do okay so I'm hoping we'll manage without Mikel.

It's up to the likes of Fellaini, Barkley and Rodwell to make sure he isn't missed. I bet one player not too unhappy tonight is Osman. Seems he might get to play a bit more in a central area with Mikel gone.

Would rather he'd stayed and I'm a bit disappointed to hear that he was the one pushing for the move, but I suppose you can't really blame him for wanting to play CL football before it's too late.

All in all, not a great day to be an Evertonian but it's not like the feeling I had when Ferguson and Rooney left us. Then it really did feel like the end!
Steve Edwards
23   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:51:58

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Just stop and think. What has Mikel done for the club since his injury? Arsenal have bought a pup. We might at last have someone who can take a corner and get it past the first defender. Surely thats something to look forward too. Do they really think he we replace Nasri and Fabrigas?
Michael Mcloughlin
24   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:56:39

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I will make htis statement here today. My seaons ticket this year will be my last. Utter shite. I have no faith in EFC s management at All. If Moyesd had any pride he would walk
David Hallwood
25   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:59:01

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What Moyes has posted is that 4-5-1 with a lone (or in our case loan) target man is here to stay, even if he wanted to play with 2 strikers he couldn't
mike wright
26   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:00:12

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@Chris Matheson

The huge Debt started before this current board came in, they just didn't do enough to keep it under control, or go for broke and do a leeds/portsmouth. which im glad. Today will keep us in business and not worry about the oney we have to pay back. fingers crossed there will be a little bit to spend in Jan
Ste Traverse
27   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:03:39

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Martin Paice.

So the Blue Union are to blame for the 12 years our club has been shambolicly run by Kenwright and his cronies? Idiot.
Tony X Williams
28   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:56:16

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Lets be honest lads, Arteta has been very ordinary for a while now. His free kicks are not what they used to be, and his penalty kicks have become a 50/50 lottery. I think we have got the best out of him, so to make a £10million profit on a 29 year old is ok in my book. I thank him and wish him well at Arsenal.
John Maxwell
29   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:50:47

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I'm quite happy about today, debt has been reduced, we've offloaded a 75k a week player who is past his best, although our best player for many years at EFC, thanks for the memories Mikey.

Excellent deal for Beckford and Yakubu is gone.

Looking forward to seeing the new players.
John Gilfoyle
30   Posted 01/09/2011 at 00:54:52

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I think only time will tell with regards to today's antics. I know Arteta hasn't been at his best but i was hoping he would discover his form, biggest kick in the teeth is knowing that all money we recieve from transfers is being swallowed up by the bank, dont forget pienaar and vaughan money too probably equates to around 20 million which is alot for a club like us(Stoke spent 20 million today). If this carries on no doubt we're on the slippery slope, think we'll be ok this season 10-15th finish but if theres no takeover we're goin down im afraid such a shame for a great club like us but money rules in the current climate. Think Drenthe will be a good loan no idea on the other guy, problem is if these guys are the real deal someone else will buy them once the loan expires. Start of our decline tonight, im gutted.
David Hallwood
31   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:09:45

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It's 1.10am still up and I've been on the OS and Blackburn's OS and no mention of Yakubu, in fact he's still in the squad unlike Arteta
Stu Green
32   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:15:34

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look harder!
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2011/08/31/stracqualursi-joins-blues

:)
Andrew Earlam
33   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:03:55

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All the fans with the exception of The Blue Union,KEIOC,E4C,The Peoples Group etc are to blame.You have what you deserve.

again KENWRIGHT OUT!

The rest of you will carry on making excuses,calling people like me conspiracy theorists,luddites and worse until Bill Kenwright has lied and twisted and minge bagged us into the Championship with the help of his cronies who don't give a fuck about Everton and were only ever interested in Authur Daley land deals from KMBC.

But never mind eh as Bill has assured us Keith Harris the man who brought us bedsit man is working on a daily basis to find us a buyer according to Bill.
Stu Green
34   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:15:57

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love this vid of royston..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsN0O3fHeB0&feature=related
Chris Brazell
35   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:21:45

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Royston "Ricky" Drenthe sounds like a bit of a liability....http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/04/spanish-league-sid-lowe
David Hallwood
36   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:22:59

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Cheers Stu,
Jarrod Prosser
37   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:14:11

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Everything i say is with the knowledge that we need to balance the books....

Arteta for $10m is a good sell, for us. His lack of relative mobility since the knee went mean his fancy feet can't take him past the man anymore, and his deadball work is horrendous!He's been a wonderful servant (my shirt from last season has his #10) and we should all wish him the best of everything with Arsenal, but in our situation, it's a good sale.

Yak isn't as bad as Moyes seems to think, but he's still not the player he was. Get the wages off the books....

Beckford? $4m for a league one striker is a fantastic sale. If we'd kept him there is a very real chance that the rest of the world would realise it too & we'd be lucky to get $2m.

On the signings, i've no issue with you loan signings. Arteta, Pienaar & Yobo were loan signings, if memory serves.

A forward & a left sided player are definately needed. So lets see how this goes before we all jump off a bridge.
David Moore
38   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:20:30

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Yes Stu, that video does look very promising, lets hope he can keep that creative flair

I just hope that these dealings, breaking up a small squad will, break the camels back and force change in ownership. Because for me its a sad day to be an evertonian, yes mikel, yakubu and becks all had flaws, but shit they are all good enough for us and only on becks did we get a reasonable price.

There will definately be none of that money to spend in winter
Kevin Gillen
39   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:20:50

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Mikel Arteta is just about the most technically gifted player I've ever seen at Goodison. I'm gutted to tell you the truth. We now have no subtlety or creativity in the final third save the odd good day against second class opposition by Ossie. Shame on this board for loading debt on to the club and never investing a penny into the playing staff or ground.
James Flynn
40   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:33:36

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Alan (19) - "Championship footbal next season then"?

Knock that bullshit off. We're a team frustrated mid-table. Going down is not happening.
Pat Finegan
41   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:29:58

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Mikel hasn't been our best player since 2008.

I'm really pretty happy about Drenthe. He's in the last year of his contract at Real so we'll have an opportunity to sign him on a free at the end of the season.
Paz Mistry
42   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:37:05

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I'm really pleased with the business today, Yakubu was never gonna get a game, Beckford out of his depth and Arteta never the same player he was before his injury. Also probably got over 150k+ a week off the wage bill, which is about 7.5 million in a year, plus banked about 15 million on the deals, the only miss is Arteta in midfield really and that is an area we are blessed in.

In return we got drenthe, a former prodigy that Real Madrid spent 14 million on a few years ago who has PACE!!!, and a hungry argie who was top scorer in their league.. if's half as good as tevez, we got a bargain.. Bank happy, and addressed 2 key areas of the team we needed to strengthen in.

Striker wise, we now have Saha, Denis, Vic (he'll get better with more minutes), Velios and Cahill... It's looking better than yesterday and we have some fresh blood in the squad!!
Leon Purton
43   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:43:48

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Drenthe has been given the number 10 on the site. Is that a signal of intent???
David Moore
44   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:45:40

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The real madrid website seems to announce that we have bought him, or got him for free

"Real Madrid has tranferred the registration rights of player Royston R. Drenthe to English club Everton FC

Knowing the OS, we probably just got the details wrong, should get him for free though at the end of the season, or more likely look at some other club pay him more
James Flynn
45   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:35:50

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EFC is dumping salary (Arsenal paid $10 million for washed-up Areteta? Hilarity ensues!). Good sign of the current ownership group looking to get out. Prospective buyers want to know first how much they take on in salary. Things are looking up.

Someone explain how dumping Arteta, Yak, and, Beckford (a free from 2 leagues down? Ruthless profiteering by Moyes) is a problem for us.

He clearly intends to give our youngsters playing time and bring in a couple more.

I still can't believe Wenger paid $10 mil to take over-the-hill Miky.

We're better off.
Pat Finegan
46   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:58:59

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRn8k0HZb68

Ok, now I'm excited about Drenthe.
Tommy Coleman
47   Posted 01/09/2011 at 01:58:18

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What moronic logic blaming the BU ! Are you an Everton fan or Bill Kenwright fan ? Our plight is all his fault.
Some fans don't know their arse from their elbows.
Brendan O'Doherty
48   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:09:04

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"Arsenal paid $10 million for washed-up Areteta? Hilarity ensues!"

£10m = $16m James. And hilarity doesn't ensue.




Eric Myles
49   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:15:45

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Martin, you must have learnt logic from the same teacher as Richard Dodd.

It's everyone's fault but Kenwright and the board that got us into this shit.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Anyway I always expected we'd have to get rid of Arteta with him being our highest paid player, we just can't afford the wages.
Eric Myles
50   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:21:15

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Chris #35
"Drenthe, on the other hand, has not been paid. Hércules, the club that allegedly found a little financial push to get into the first division couldn't find the money to pay for hot water at the club's training ground,"

A case of 'out of the frying pan into the fire' for him then eh?
Brendan O'Doherty
51   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:16:52

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I smell a rat here.

We were informed by the media from 5-7pm that Arsenal had made a reported £10m bid for Arteta. We were then told that it had collapsed because Arteta could not agree personal terms with Arsenal.

Then a couple of hours later, we were told that the deal had been resurrected because Arteta had informed David Moyes that he wanted to leave. Suddenly the transfer goes through in a mere 90 minutes, without seemingly a medical having taken place (we know Arteta was in Merseyside all evening).

There is no way the story that personal terms had not been agreed could be true, given that Arteta's interest was only made apparent after the initial deal had seemingly collapsed. So the club must have turned down the bid.

So when Arteta approached Moyes/the club, why was he not told any of the following:
a) We will agree to the sale if we get an increased offer.
b) No you can't leave at the moment, but we will consider letting you go in January, by which time we will have identified a replacement.
c) Get lost. You signed a 5 year contract a year ago; we expect you to honour it.

But no, suddenly it's a case of accepting the offer we had just turned down an hour ago.

'Get on the phone to Arsenal, Mikel, and discuss personal terms'.

Strangely enough we didn't insist that the transfer request was put in writing, unlike for example, Meireles at 10.30pm this evening. Despite that, it still looks like the transfer was solely at the behest of Mikel Arteta himself, minimising the amount of blame apportioned to the chairman and board.

And would you believe it, nice and conveniently we cannot now spend the money as the window is closed.

And it won't be sitting in a safe in the chairman's office until January, we can be sure of that.

So the rumour back in the spring that we would have to sell a player to pay the banks the £10m that they were demanding has strangely come to pass.....

........mmmm. Odd.




Ben Atkins
52   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:50:14

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Thought that $4m for Beckford was a great deal until I read the Guardian's report that he was "...leaving Goodison Park to join Leicester City for a performance-related £4m".

Performance related? We're never gonna get paid.
Jamie Sweet
53   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:25:46

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Let's face it, this window could have been a lot worse.

Sad to see Micky go, but I've been even more gutted for the last 18 months that he hasn't managed to get back to his best. Looking at the bigger picture, 10million for him at this stage probably isn't bad business.

The Yak had to go for any price. He would only have cost us in wages for very little in return before heading off for free next year.

Beckford is an interesting one. I still thought he could do a job for us - but 3-4million for a lad who Moyes clearly doesn't rate and who cost nothing last year is probably pretty shrewd.

Nobody knows how the two new lads will perform. I get the impression that Drenthe may dazzle and frustrate in equal measures. The fact that he could also offer cover for Baines makes it a sensible move. And the Argie looks a bit of a beast at 6'3 with pace and power, and could potentially suit the Moyes shitty one up front system more than Beckford.

We've also got exciting prospects coming through who might get more of a chance, and we will have kept the banks happy I guess.

I still think it's an utter disgrace that we find ourselves walking this financial tightrope, but that's for discussion on other threads.

Something of massive importance now is to get Fellaini to extend his contract. Oh, and for Moyes to find a way to play decent attacking football with the players he has. Over to you DM! COYB
Liu Weixian
54   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:54:37

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If Arteta had pushed for the move as it is reported, I don't blame him one bit. It is impossible to play good football when the manager drills the team to play dull and aimless football.

I wish Mikel all the best and the Arse all the worst.

We can't score in a brothel and Moyes sold two of our main strikers. Get ready to see Golden Boot challenger Anichebe leading the line. I am sure he'll strike fear in the hearts of many sides.
Adam Fenlon
55   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:37:52

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Best of luck to Mikel Arteta at Arsenal. He?s been a great player for us and I hope he does well there too.
Mike Allison
56   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:01:34

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It doesn't matter who plays for us when we play them in the wrong positions. Stop playing Heitinga in midfield and Rodwell on the wing and we might have a fucking chance.
Robbie Shields
57   Posted 01/09/2011 at 02:33:16

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As per almost everyone above, BK's and Carter's fault not Blue Union. If anything Blue Union may have helped save us by starting to hold this board to account, forcing the sale issue up the boards agenda and pushing Everton to be run more prudently in the mean time.

I'm not too unhappy with the deals DM has done today, this is the one area where DM has come up smelling of roses more often than not in the past, so I'm relatively optimistic at the moment.

It'll be interesting to see how well Arteta does with a different type of manager and philosohy about football as it may answer a lot of questions I have about DM, his coaching methods and style of play.

Arteta has arguably been our most talented player over the last 5 years, but has struggled since his knee injury to work in the Moyes way. IF Wenger manages to build a team around Arteta and get him playing football with his brain instead of having to run around like a dog chasing his tail then I will have my answer. IF on the other hand Arteta doesn't do anything under Wenger, or at least shows no signs of significant improvement then Moyes and his techniques will have gone up in my estimation, time will tell.

Good luck Mikel, thanks for everything you have done for Everton FC and I wish you nothing but the best at Arsenal.
Dave Roberts
58   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:02:32

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No I wouldn't blame Blue Union for Arteta leaving. Nevertheless, what they did was disgraceful. Two wrongs don't make a right and if you believe Kenwright is untrustworthy being untrustworthy yourself in exposing it is morally defunct.

Taping a conversation that you had already agreed would be confidential? That's shit in my book.

As for Mikey, sorry to see him go but I'm in the 'we've had the best of him' camp. But it's not his play that we will necessarily miss the most in midfield because we have been missing that since his injury. It is his experience. We are very short of that now.
Jackie Barry
59   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:27:31

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Martin please open your eyes, the state the club is in has nothing to do with the Blue Union, it's to do with those who run the club. My fellow Everton fans when are you going to wake up and stop acting so stupid. You make excuse after excuse for what is going on and keep holding on for whatever you can, the problem is that soon there will be nothing left.
Thomas Williams
60   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:20:20

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Mike Wright #26, The huge Debt started before this current board came in,
Really Mike? When Bk came in we had a 25M loan with a 2.4M payback a year and a 5m Overdraft plus no other debt.
We also had quite a few assets of land bought up by PJ.
Contrast that with now, the 25M loan was refinanced to 30M (24.6M still owed)
an overdraft of now 25M and all the fucking assets have been sold off!!
I wish people would get it into their heads when remembering PJ, most of what was said was propaganda from the echo and BK, most of which was complete lies, that is a fact.
Please let the above figures sink in and tell me Mike how PJ was anywhere near as bad as BK.
Thomas Williams
61   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:33:38

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Andrew Earlam #33, massive round of applause to you sir, right on the money for me.
David Barks
62   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:40:45

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The future looks extremely bleak. We have now sold Pienaar and Arteta inside the past year. Those were our two best midfielders and now they're gone. We have to rely on a couple of teenagers now in Rodwell and Barkely? And don't give me this shit about needing to balance the books. Horseshit. What good does it do to relieve some of the debt while we tumble down the league, continuing to lose more revenue and look more unattractive to future signings as well as the rest of our decent players like Baines and Fellaini. They will in turn leave for a brighter future. But hey, the banks will be happy right? The banks will be happy all the way down to the Championship and beyond. What I'm really looking forward to is seeing how good Arteta looks in that Arsenal team. I can't wait to watch the next Arsenal match. I couldn't care less about the next Everton match however.
Brad Orr
63   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:43:20

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The fat Chariman Bill Kenwright really needs to figure something out! He doesn't sell an out of form Jagielka for millions of pounds & sells one of our best players in the clubs history on deadline day for 10 million pound... and now we can't spend the money because transfer window is closed! Sooo amateur selling a player on deadline day!!!! i mean it's okay if you got a few new signing's, but 2 Loaned players... If Kenwright sells Arteta, Beckford, Yakubu & perhaps Jagielka at the beginning of the window then perhaps we could of bought the well priced CROUCH & the EPL player of 2010 Scott Parker!
Can't wait to play Football Championship League next year! Thanks fatty.
Martin Mason
64   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:44:08

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I think that we did very good business yesterday and even if the money goes to pay off debt it is still good. Whilst I don't believe that the BU has caused problems at EFC I believe the unrest of a section of fans has and will continueto do so. The players aren't in a cocoon and they know exactly what is going on.
Jim Harrison
65   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:49:21

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pay 15 million to the banks now, save 130000 odd quid a week in wages by letting go of a striker who didnt play (so no real squad loss), a average forward who never really cut it and unfortunately one of the clubs most popular and creative players (who last season was shite, a point well remark on this site) .

Add to the team a left sided player with international and club pedigree greater than that of most of our squad and a striker that scores lots in a top division replacing one that scores lots in the british 3rd tier.

There is a glut of players able to [play cm Everton, maybe not all as talented as Arteta, but in Felenni and rodwell huge potential, and barkley will get more opportunities to play, and hopefully improve.

Now, it takes a little bit of belief, but without pressure from the bank, savings from the wages can go towards the next window, not alot but at least better than nothing.

Jalil Noor
66   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:58:26

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Time for the young 'uns to step and shine...
Time for Moyes to start letting them play...
Time for round pegs in round holes?
Only wish we sold Jags and Cahill as well .... Oh I forgot Jags, Fella, Baines and Howard are the untouchables...
Sorry lads football is a business and selling Arteta at his age and wages was good business... Same goes if we could sell Cahill...
The only loyalty is to the club for us fans cos either players will screw the club or the club screw the players....
Jalil Noor
67   Posted 01/09/2011 at 04:46:49

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By the way I'm trying to console myself cos I'm gutted we sold Arteta...
Chris Bannantyne
68   Posted 01/09/2011 at 03:47:06

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What a joke of a chairman.
What a joke our club has become.
Get behind the Blue Union,
Cos there's probably worse to come...

Little poem for you all.

Kenwright Out!!
Ste Traverse
69   Posted 01/09/2011 at 05:26:17

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Dave Roberts.

The Blue Union denied taping that conversation so why are jokers like you still banging on about how they got that info rather than how much shit this club is in as was revealed?
Tony Cheek
70   Posted 01/09/2011 at 05:31:21

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Paz...think you will find that Drenthe and Big Strak will also get wages,,,,,,,,
Jamie Sweet
71   Posted 01/09/2011 at 05:50:32

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Tony - if you read this article, which I found very interesting (recommend all to have a look) then you will see you're right... things start to go wrong if you don't pay Drenthe!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/04/spanish-league-sid-lowe

Sounds like he could become a Goodison legend or a bit of a joke. I've got everything crossed he becomes a legend!
Adam Fenlon
72   Posted 01/09/2011 at 05:54:19

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Ste Traverse 69 - The Blue Union did tape the conversation and i havent seen them deny it. How exactly do you think they got the full transcript of the conversation word-for-word without taping it?

Its completely unethical to do so, but they did.
Eric Myles
73   Posted 01/09/2011 at 06:01:25

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Dave #58, as the BU have already proven there was no agreement to keep the conversation confidential.

Adam #72, I take minutes at meetings and I can remember word for word what was said, 3 people should have no problem remembering.
jason siri
74   Posted 01/09/2011 at 06:42:37

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Latest: Hibbert sold to Barca for 40m
Matt Traynor
75   Posted 01/09/2011 at 06:40:58

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Ste #69, Blue Union implied in their heading for their statement ("A means to an end") that they did tape the conversation.

That said, they are in no way responsible for our transfer position. I saw similar to the original post on Twatter. We really do have some thick gobshite fans who lap up the banquet of bullshit they are fed.
Vinny Garstrokes
76   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:00:37

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Really sorry to see Miki go, but once DM knew he wanted to go he wasn't prepared to go through another Lescott situation. Interesting that Daniel Levy was the man who told Peter Crouch he would rot in the reserves if he didn't go to stoke and refused in excess of 40 million for Modric. Just think on Davey when about having all your power stripped away when you replace Harry next year!!
Anthony Hawkins
77   Posted 01/09/2011 at 06:59:27

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I have very mixed views on all this. Arteta was a great player for Everton and I'm gutted he's gone but it's a good move for him. Plus it removes some of the indecision from Moyes as he has one less option to play in the centre of the park.

As for selling off the strikers, I just don't understand selling Beckford. Yes, there were problems in getting the ball in the back of the net but now we have fewer people to do it. Thats a lot of pressure on Saha and a loan. (let's forget about Anichebe). On the plus side, all the defenders remained.

Do I blame the union? Not at all. It was bad timing however the news is nothing new. If anything it released pressure on Kenwright because more people understand his plight.
Adam McCulloch
78   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:16:35

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Spotted this rather depressing quote on a Blackburn forum (think I doubled their fanbase by having a looksie!)

"Think fans are ungrateful to the Venkys. We could have ended up like Everton had the new owners not arrived."

It's one thing getting stick off the RS but Blackburn?!
Andrew Earlam
79   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:22:26

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Who gives a shit if it was taped it revealed Bill Kenwright claims not to know where £24m per anum is going and that he's trying to put it right by using a man to sell the club on a daily basis who can only turn up the likes of bedsit man.Get a fucking grip and direct your anger at those killing our club and bullshitting the only fuckers putting anything in.
John Audsley
80   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:20:09

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Its BK and the other fuckers who have run the club into the ground to blame

It aint the BU's fault, thats stupid

Why do people think that the money can go towards a new contract for Felli, HE AINT SIGNING

Would you sign for a backward club like us with that CUNT in charge

BK is killing the club, and all the dreams of any young blues along the way
Matthew Salem
81   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:04:50

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It's a shame we were not able to get Bendtner in addition to the money for Arteta. The sentimental side of me is sad to see Mikky go, but I know that yesterday was a good day for Everton and a step forward. He is no longer the player he was 3-4 years ago and Arsenal fans will realize that shortly.
Dave Wilson
82   Posted 01/09/2011 at 06:09:35

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Adam.

Unethical ? whats it going to take mate ?

Why are you side tracking yourself worrying about Bu not denying the taping allegation, it simply doesnt matter.

We, ve been deliberately decieved on numerous occasions. Our club is falling around our ears. I for one dont give a flying fuck whether the guys trying to do something about it are playing with a straight bat or not.

Karl Meighan
83   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:34:07

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Blue union never sold these players Kenwrights Everton did. Its a fucking disgrace 16m over the summer and not a sausage in, oh 2 fuckin no marks that Royston looks like a fuckin yardy and sounds as if he went the same school as Marco Boogers, a loon who doesn't even get on with his wife. A cold long dark season awaits.
John Audsley
84   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:34:44

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We've signed a Demon and an bloke called Royston

Royston and Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, The Villa game will reveal all.....
Andrew Earlam
85   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:38:28

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After selling £18m worth of players and bringing in two loans and pleading with the banks not to kill us this year maybe it's about time Bill Kenwright familiarised himself with the accounts.

Other Operating Costs

£1,475,836
£1,521,988
£1,704,769
£1,650,186
£1,239,621
£5,552,000
£2,914,000
£12,120,000
£17,360,000
£16,416,000
£11,694,000
£21,078,000
£21,213,000
£23,797,000

Bill Kenwright's Explanation

Simon, ?Just going back to the finances, this conversation has gone all over the place?..you were saying before that you can account for where the money has gone?? Bill, ?I didn?t say that, what I said was the accounts are there? Simon, ?Yeah, I know and to be honest I don?t think that anyone is taking a salary out or anything, but one of the things that people are scratching their heads about is this rise in other operating costs, it?s gone from?? Mark, ?It?s gone to £24m so there?s twenty odd million there that Evertonians don?t know about? what?s that?s going on; that?s why we?ve come here, we?ve asked Robert to fill us in?? Bill, ?When you say other operating costs what do you mean?? Simon, ?That?s what it says in the accounts, other operating costs? Mark, ?That?s why there?s so much confusion, they?ve steadily risen?.? Bill, ?I?m sure? whatever accounts you get they go through the most stringent structure imaginable; It?s just a heading, what?s the heading again?? Mark & Simon, ?Other operating Costs? Bill, ?And how much is it?? Mark, ?£24m? Simon, ?And that has steadily risen over the?? Bill, ?Hold on hold on; then you haven?t got the £53m for the players? Hold on, fifty three plus twenty four, well that leaves you four or five for the other???are these other operating costs David? I don?t know, I have no idea?

Mark ?Well, surely as Chairman you should be aware what these other operating costs are?? Bill, ?No, absolutely not, and why should I? I can?t break down the accounts for you?? Mark, ?This is why some Evertonians are saying money is going missing? Bill, ?Guys, listen, there?s the door if you think that.

NOW HE EITHER SHOULDN'T BE IN CHARGE OF A CORNER SHOP NEVER MIND A PL CLUB OR HE IS HIDING SOMETHING.
Phil Rodgers
86   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:41:04

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If it wasn't for the Blue Union we would be completely in the dark over how serious our situation is. Fuck ethics and bill kenwrights credibility (or lack of). These guys highlighted the state of our club and I for one am glad I know despite how much it hurts. We would've sold Arteta anyway it just would've been more of a nasty surprise.
Richard Dodd
87   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:47:00

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So Arteta loved Everton so much,he eventually took a £10K a week drop in wages to join Arsenal!
No wonder our Club is in deep shit if we pay more than a top team is prepared to do for what latterly was doubtful merchandise.
Anthony Hughes
88   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:53:09

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Yet again the smallest squad in the Premiership is whittled down. We're rotting away as a club and going in one direction.

Ok the two new players may come in and play well but what do you think will happen next summer? We wont have the cash to buy them or if they're on a free give them the wages they're after. If they're anything like good then one of the bigger clubs will just come in and take them.

Just a short term measure to plug an ever increasing leak to our once proud club. Does anybody seriously think Fellaini is going to sign a new contract?
Jeremy Benson
89   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:00:24

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Arteta's best days are behind him. Personally, I think its a good bit of business, and it was inevitable that we'd sell someone at last minute and not have time to get anyone else in. On the plus side, this might give Bily and Fellaini a better run in the side.

I would like to know if bank pressure forced the sale though...
Nelly Verdonghan
90   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:53:17

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The Future,,,??

We haven't got one.....not whilst these clowns remain in charge,,,,,and I include the manager in that.
Jeremy Benson
91   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:04:31

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P.S.

Why are people constantnly mentioning £18 million? Its closer to £15 million isnt it? 10 for arteta, beckford is showing as 3 on the bbc site, and yak apparently 1.5....

Pity we couldnt ship yobo out to fenerbache.
Jeremy Benson
92   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:04:31

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P.S.

Why are people constantly mentioning £18 million? Its closer to £15 million isnt it? 10 for arteta, beckford is showing as 3 on the bbc site, and yak apparently 1.5....

Pity we couldnt ship yobo out to fenerbache.
Dave Randles
93   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:02:44

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Frankly, if you think the BU caused the sale of Arteta (for Arteta read Beckford, Pienaar, Yakubu, Vaughan etc etc) you are deluded.

It may have brought into the open just what a mess the board have made and granted, it may have brought things forward a few months.

But a few concerned fans asking the Chairman of a £100 million turnover business a few searching questions has caused this? Ha ha. Laughable.
Nelly Verdonghan
94   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:05:40

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Richard Dodd....our club in in the shit because of the idiots who are running it....FULL STOP.
Karl Meighan
95   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:01:35

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Dodd@87 Do you blame him? he has give us great service and were going one way and it aint up and he has the chance of playing in the Champions League with better players.

How the fuck selling one of the teams best midfielders in recent history without bringing in any sort of replacement is a good day is beyond me.

I wouldn't blame Baines or any one else if they told Moyes get me out of here in January as this Clubs rotted. The first 2 games have already showed the pattern this season will go and reducing the squad size just makes it worse.

Were the fuck are goals and creativity coming from? Other clubs are improving were going backwards, a relegation fight awaits and anyone thinking Royston is going to like that is living on another planet.
Richard Dodd
96   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:10:46

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Paying wages we cannot afford has got us to this situation.For that,Chairman,Board and Manager must bear reponsibility.On the other hand,I guess they meant well but that`s hardly an excuse is it? Just because the fans demand throwing money at the team doesn`t mean all reason should be thrown out of the window.I guess we are all to blame but really no worse than any other group of supporters!
Paul Ward
97   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:51:08

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To blame the Blue Union is insane.
Evertonians still under estimate the cunning of Bullshit Bill. I don't.
He is an astute business man that stage managed the meeting with the Blue Union. He for once, maybe told the truth about the Bank and dept. But suddenly after refusing numerous requests to communicate with fans decides to talk to the delegation. It is all bad news and poor old Bill blames the Bank. Once again you have a wave of sympathy by the apologists like Martin Paise. The truth is we have just sold our major assett (Arteta) and 2 others. In their places a couple of loans for a season.
All that money will go to the banks and
this time next year we will be in shit street.
David Hallwood
98   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:14:32

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To the posters who are stating that Arteta wanted out, he was sold to balance the books-simple as. I've never been a conspriacy theorist but it was amazing we received the £10mill with no chance of spending it on a player. And I'm willing to put the house on that we won't but in the jan window
Mike Green
99   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:06:11

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I'm sad to see Mikel go as he's become a figurehead for us and one of the few symbols of genuine quality recognised outside of the club. But I think thats all it is now - symbolic.

He's never regained his form from before the Newcastle injury and I dont think he ever will. He's done his time for us and deserves to retire having played at the top level, which in his case is the Champions League as his national aspirations never came through. He's not going to get there with us in the next few years.

The morning after the night before I think £10m and £75k p.w. (?) off the wage bill will be a weight off our shoulders - we had another 4 years of that to come for a player who may / may not cut the mustard any more and I think we genuinely had the best of him. In our predicament we had to minimise the risk that that money would be wasted, especially after he's indicated he wants to go. I dont blame him after whats gone on over the last few months. And that's why he took a £10k p.w. wage drop Richard Dodd, he's bought himself a way out of this mess and the opportunity to play in the Ch's League - even if it is only for one season. Christ he doesn't need the money does he? He might want to look back on playing at the Nou Camp, San Siro, Bernabeu etc one day though. Good luck to him and his family.

I've got a really good feeling about Drente and think Strac could do a job. Anthony Hughes (88), you are spot on though. If they turn out to be world beaters we've got a cat in hells chance of signing them at the end of the year, short term fixes. But lets face it we need any kind of fix at the moment and Moyes has got a great record fo turning loans into signings so lets wait and see.

Getting Yak off the books can only be a good thing, he really is shot, but I'm disappointed it didnt work out for Beckford.

So - a rollercoaster ride last night but now the ride's stopped and the dust has settled I think we came out of it OK to be honest. At least a couple of new faces have injected a bit of life into proceedings. Lets hope Fellaini, Rodwell and Barkely step up now - the King is Dead, Long Live the King (s) and all that.

Bill Kenwright has to get out of our club now though. I have visions of Moyes running the show last night with BK mopping his brow with a hankie squeeling "I dont know what to do Davey....! I just dont know what to do....?!"

Sell the club Bill, thats what you have to do. Now.

Vijay Badhan
100   Posted 01/09/2011 at 07:37:21

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Arteta leaving will be a blessing in disguise in my opinion, it will allow Baines to have the first option with regards to set pieces as Arteta's recent performances were pretty poor and hopefully allow the dynamics of the midfield to alter possibly giving the likes of Barkley/Billy a chance to shine. I am also excited by the loan signing of Roystone Drenthe as i for one have heard of him and watched him play a few times and he seems like a decent player who will hopefully help us to be more direct with our attacks instead of going sideways like we have been doing for the past 18 months or so.
I feel sorry for Beckford as i dont really think he had the the chance to prove himself but the reported 4.5 million fee we received for him was good bussiness. Yakuba was just a fat waste of space and i am happy to see the back of him i only wish we had thrown in Yobo as part of the package.
Why is Moyes after another Centre back? Surely when Distan is past it or injured Heitinga is a able deputy and in my eyes a better player than Jagielka and why is Anichebe still at the club when he is obvouisly not good enough for the Pl as his goal scoring record clearly demonstrates he would have been the first player i would have got rid of.
Eric Myles
101   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:23:32

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Doddy, he'll make up the difference easily in win bonuses and 'overtime' for the additional matches in the Cups and CL games and league placing bonuses.

Not to mention now he'll get a look in with the Spanish national team.

Don't blame Arteta at all for going and hope he does well at Arsenal.
Andy Crooks
102   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:26:19

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Richard "the club is in deep shit" Welcome to reality. Kenwrights right hand man has seen the light.
Great business getting £10milliion for a player whose best days are behind him.I agree with Brendan O'Doherty, though,the way the deal was done is odd to say the least.Still. things needed freshened up so lets hope the new lads get in right away. If Victor keeps Denis on the bench I think , ffs I can't find the words.
Martin Paice
103   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:24:19

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To hopefully be a bit clearer, the state the club is in is clearly kenwright's fault. He's in charge it's his responsibility, and I believe the club has been chronically mismanaged under his tenure for reasons there's no need to go in to on this site.

The point I was trying to make is there's a big difference between:
- there be a widely acknowledged view that Everton are skint, to the chairman saying on record the bank's forcing us to sell players
- Moyes having to sell to buy or Moyes having to sell for the club to survive

I'd be very surprised if the players knew quite how bad things were (how many times do you see employees turn up to work to find out the company has gone in to administration), it's not like they'll be studying the accounts, but they certainly do now and this will have an impact on us keeping our best ones.
Jonathan Tasker
104   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:41:45

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Arteta was good business, at any time.£10m for a past his best , flat track bully. Arsenal panic bought him; the only thing in common with Fabregas was the nationality.

Am much more worried about the loss of Beckford. Yes, he isn't Dixie Dean and he never will be but 8 goals from 17 starts in his first season was a very good return for a free transfer.

The fact that we were forced to sell him for what was probably only £2-3m says what deep shit we are in. Denis , as a forward, is a like for like replacement but, given that he played in Argentina, this is a player that we have loaned that nobody has even seen!
James Marshall
105   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:41:04

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He's 29, injured and crap last year, we did just fine without him and he was our highest earner - £10m looks like good, sensible business to me. Ignore all the why's and wherefores about the deal, its all PR anyway. Just look at the Raul Mereles deal.

We lost 3, signed 2 (sort of) and they're both younger & (potentially) hungrier. Beckford we won't miss either, he was never gonna cut it.

Don't believe the hype.
Alastair Bates
106   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:40:16

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The money in isnt quite correct though!
Footballers get part or all of their contracts paid up if they are transfered without them asking for a transfer so only Mikel moved with the club receiving all the money.
Lets look at the Beckford move to Leicester.
As I understood it he earned 25k p/w = 1.3m per year and had 3 years left on his contract = 3.9m
He did not ask for a transfer so EFC wouold have to compensate him to actually move say 50% of the remainder of his contact or 1.95m.
We are led to believe the bid was 3m up front and 1m of extras so the club pockets only £1.05m now with possibly another £1m in the future.
Working out that for the last year we payed Beckford 1.3m and payed him a sign on fee (as he was free) the club has actually made a loss!
Need I go on!
Anthony Doran
107   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:47:51

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Wow!! im shocked Arteta has left and Everton actually did something on the transfer market!!

10M for Arteta is Fantastic money. Ive always liked him but he is way overrated and has shown in the last few seasons since his injury that his best days are long since gone. I wont miss his freekicks/corners, not to mention we cant afford his wages.

Losing Beckford and the Yak though is worrying as all we have left up front now is a hairdryer, vacuum, and a whole lot of barn doors!

Well done to the the Board and manager though, nice to see that arent leaving things until the last minute and are reinvesting monies into bringing fresh new talented players in before the season kicks off.........yes im being delirious here.
Craig Walker
108   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:56:18

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Anybody else see the Sky footage of Arteta walking through the reception at Goodison to complete the transfer? There were two pictures of Everton players behind the receptionist. Arteta was one. Alan Ball was the other.

We're just a selling club. Again.

I wish him well at Arsenal. I hope they manage to get top 4 ahead of the RS.
Dan Brierley
109   Posted 01/09/2011 at 08:14:11

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Colin Fitz, it was nothing to do with banks putting pressure. Hence the reason that Jagielka's, Beckford and Arteta's initial bids were refused. Hardly smacks of a club under pressure to sell does it? If we were, Leighton Baines would have been the one to sell, not Arteta.

Arteta highlighted he WANTED to leave. The original post is quite right, the Blue Union intervention to tell us what we already knew, has left a massive stink around the club whether we like it or not. The fans have not only turned on the board, but on the manager and on players. Has it contributed in Arteta's departure? I would not be surprised at all. But it is purely speculative, as none of us will ever know the truth.

Arteta has been a great servant for this club, and left a lot of good memories. Sad to see him leave, but if I am honest I think we got his best years out of him. We have all often complained about having too many central players and not enough width. Drenthe seems to address that problem, which can only be a good thing.
Ciar�n McGlone
110   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:08:46

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I am well and truly flattened by yesterday..

We've effectively replaced Pienaar with Drenthe...But, in the same day sold our most consistently creative player to placate the banks..

Those of you who think this is good business because of his form last season, do not appreciate the process of coming back from a serious sports injury..Arteta will flourish at Arsenal..

Of all the moves we could have manufactured to satisfy Kenwright's debt...this was in my opinion, the most destructive...

We can now look forward to a midfield of Heitinga and the plodding liability that is Felliani..with Rodwell on the wing (while Moyes tries to drag Drenthe from the pub)..

Not only are we losing Arteta, we are losing a highly creative influence on our developing players like Barkley...who will he have to mould himself on and look up to? Cahill? Neville?

We are going to play shit football this season.

Finally, I'd wish Arteta all the best - his ability outsrips our ambition. I hope he wins things, a player of his calibre deserves it.
Sam Morrison
111   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:10:58

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In general though I liked Arteta I'm in agreement with the posters saying this was a good move. The situation we're in is we need to reduce debt and £10m was a good price - the fact it's not the same money as being bandied around for other players reflects our position and Arsenal's.

I hope we don't get too maudlin if he does well at Arsenal. Surrounded by their players he'll probably look a bit better than he has for us recently - but Baines will be better with a dead ball.
Mark Stone
112   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:06:56

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Andrew (#85). The club have made no bones about the fact that 'other operating costs' was Yakubu's tab at Krunchy Fried Chicken on Mounty Pleasant.
Richard Dodd
113   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:17:28

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It may well be that the Club needs the money to meet everyday expenses (`other operating costs`?)rather than it going straight to the banks.Better to do this than take on even more mortgages!
Eugene Ruane
114   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:26:20

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Be afraid....be VERY afraid.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jan/04/spanish-league-sid-lowe
Chris James
115   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:08:16

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Got back from Beijing last night and dropped into bed without even checking the activity - had previously assumed nothing would happen so I'm actually a little bit excited that at least there's some movement.

We desperately needed to freshen things up a bit and the two players we've signed (albeit loanees) both have good pedigree in their home leagues and crucially they also come in positions we actually need - i.e. forward and wing. When Coleman is fit on the right we could actually have some creativity down both flanks at last.

I'm very happy about Drenthe, a player with some class and promise who wasn't the first to lose their way/place at the Galacticos and with Heitinga to help him fit in on and off the pitch I think this could work out brilliantly for us.
The forward is an unknown quantity of course, but when you consider the forward talent that has come out of that league (Tevez, Aguero, Messi) he's got to be worth a shout.

In terms of the players out, well Yakubu was a dead man walking (and a bloated corpse at that) so I'd not even counted him part of the squad for this year and consider this some cash gained and wages lightened.
Arteta probably will be a miss as he is capable of moments of brilliance, but to be fair he's not looked the same since recovery from injury and at the price I don't think it was bad business. We do also have cover in that department (Billy, Barkley, Felliani even Rodwell) and if it forces Moyes to give those lads a chance or 'shock horror' play less than 5 in midfield it'll be a plus. I also expect our effectiveness from set-pieces to increase about 100-fold!
The real surprise for me I must admit is Beckford, who looked to be improving in the division and was our most potent goal-threat last year. He's not top class I'll admit, but very few are and considering we're under-staffed up front I think this one was a mistake, especialll as his wages were unlikely to be on the Arteta/Yak scale.

Ultimately, I genuinely don't think we're any weaker than we were and in fact our talent has been redistributed more intelligently. I am disappointed there wasn't at least one more name added on loan or a Moyes diamond in the rough plucked from lower leagues, as an extra body up front/wide would definitely have helped. With the likes of Benayoun, Bellamy and Kakuta clearly available on loan (albeit with high wage tags in first two cases) and also rumours of Johnson, Sturridge and Macheda being on offer it's hard to believe we couldn't get one more.

Ultimately though I'm just glad the transfer is over and we can concentrate on football again and stop talking about cash (or the lack of it). My expectations remain for a run at UEFA and a push in the cups (maybe Carling for once?) and I think with the experience and youth we've got enough to do that. In the latter department especially I hope to see the likes of Gueye, Barkley, Vellios and one or two others being given a proper go and hope that Rodwell can start to get back some of the form he showed previously.

COYB!
Dave Wilson
116   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:15:55

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Sorry Dan

But it has everything to do with pressure from the banks.

This board have now painted themselves into such a tight corner every decision they make will be influenced by pressure from the banks.

Every player who leaves our club is portrayed as the bad guy. I think the Boards inertia in the transfer market over the past couple of seasons is the most likey reason for Arteta wanting to leave surroundings he has clear become fond of.

The guy probably see`s this as his last chance of consistantly playing Champions league football
Brian Waring
117   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:22:04

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I can't believe that some of you think it was a good night.

We have weakened an already small squad.

We have an Argy, who supposedly was passed on while on trial with Leicester.
We hear he is one of the top strikers in Argentina ( Someone mentioned, in a top league? ) but was loaned out by his club, why would you loan out your top striker if he was that good?


Drenthe is a talent, but comes with a lot of attitude, I look forward to his first confrontation with Moyes.

I know we have to hold judgement until we see how they get on, but I just don't think it was a good night ( Good night for the banks ) squad wise.



Anthony Flack
118   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:28:18

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Eugene - sounds like he will fit right in

I know out of bitter experience many will assume Moyes will get none of the money to spend, and even if BK comes out and says some money is available at the next window, not many would believe it? However what would be good is something definitive from the club - i.e. it has all gone to the bank or some has gone and some available to Moyes..........

Just a clean unambiguous statement .......
James Newcombe
119   Posted 01/09/2011 at 09:20:12

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Gutted to see Arteta go, but at least we have his and Yak's wages off the books now. Good luck to him.

I'm a bit concerned we sold Beckford, I really think we are going to struggle to score goals now. Something that isn't helped by not signing a right sided midfielder. Surely Rodwell can't keep playing there...
John Feeley
120   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:00:37

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Toffeeweb - can you open a thread called PROTEST to remove the board?
Ciar�n McGlone
121   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:10:54

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"The forward is an unknown quantity of course, but when you consider the forward talent that has come out of that league (Tevez, Aguero, Messi"
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Messi was in Spain when he was 12. The Argentinian league is not great.
Ciar�n McGlone
122   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:12:32

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"I think the Boards inertia in the transfer market over the past couple of seasons is the most likey reason for Arteta wanting to leave surroundings he has clear become fond of."
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Spot on Mr Wilson.
Lee Gray
123   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:15:21

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Blame Blue Union...are you all mad? That is why we ware in the shit we are in! They have exposed the idiots who run our club.
The Manger should hang his head in shame also he is part of the probem!
Good luck Micky Champions League or Championship.....Hmmmmm!
Andy Mack
124   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:16:09

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So what now with Yobo? Is he welcomed back into the fold as Moyes mentioned. I still rate him as a decent defender, and has served the club well until whatever happened happened. So hope he isn't stuck in the stiffs as he is still an international defender. Can we loan out to lower divisions?

Beckford I think we should have stuck with, Arteta, 50/50... or £15million.
Graham Tansey
125   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:25:06

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All the moaners just get over it. Everton F.C is a business and they needed to pay some debt off. Would you rather they go bust and have no football at all.
Alistair Strachan
126   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:25:09

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Posts are divided fairly evenly between those of the opinion that we've done decent business and those outraged at "becoming a selling club again".

I was a big Arteta fan. With the accent on "was". Just hasn't been the same player post-Newcastle injury and the massive salary we blew on him was madness in light of the % of turnover we now spunk on wages.

My home town team, Dundee FC, just survived their second administration last season...believe you me, it's horrendous when your club goes through something like that.

The Kenwright-confirmed financial malaise at Goodison suggests to me that Everton were realsitic candidates for similar pain....prior to some sensible moves yesterday.

Am I worried about the lack of striking options after Becks and the Yak leaving? Yes.

Am I worried whether Drenthe and Squishyshashy can do the business? Yes.

Am I glad we''ve done something to ease the immediate financial shit-storm. Emphatically yes.

My biggest worry, however, are the implications of servicing a mortgage secured against future revenues when those revenues could be severly reduced (ie Championship football instead of Premiership....).
Andy Codling
127   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:18:22

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Eric Myles, Arteta will get no where near the Spanish squad, he cant take a corner and his free kicks are awfull plus the last two years he looks afraid to take a player on, if you think he will get in front of Fabregas, Xavi, Xabi Alonso, Iniesta, Senna then you are deluded
Anthony Doran
128   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:48:13

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The selling of Arteta is the best bit of business we have done in years. Anyone who says we are a selling club or it was because of the banks pressure is irrelevant, Arteta is/was a liability. he was overpaid and it was plainly obvious he has been crocked since his injury both mentality and physically. Will he play better now he is an Arsenal player? Yes is the answer, and thats because they simply have better players and a better footballing philosophy, any player would improve in their side compared to ours. For Everton, selling Arteta is a win win situation.
Russell Buckley
129   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:05:08

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This club is fucked. Its as simple as that. We are surviving only by selling our best players. Moyes isn't going to be around to pull this off forever.

We are a fucking laughing stock at the moment. Have a look at general football websites. We are getting pity comments left right and centre from the fans of other clubs. They can see how bigger mess we are and yet we still have those amongst us that see today as good business and are happy to sit back and watch Bill and the board do what they like.

Its that attitude that allows this great club to slide further into the shit.

I think we will stay up but what is the future. Just how long to Evertonians have to wait to taste some glory. I'm 25 now and I can't see us being at the top of the table in the next decade.
John McLoughlin
130   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:08:28

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the current squad with Arteta or the current squad without Arteta, so obviously we are in a weaker position because we have not replaced him. Without any new signing i felt the squad from last season would still finish 7th now without Arteta & Beckford replaced by 2 unknown quantities and given Stokes decent business i cant even see 7th. How anybody can show support to Kenwright is beyond me. The only defence is we could end up with a Pompey like owners, we've already got one. We are heading for obliviion with Kenwright in charge, Why is it beyond reason we may get good owners in.
David Holroyd
131   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:13:04

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One of the headlines from the other day was EVERTON a club going nowhere. Does anyone see us going somewhere except into the bottom 6 or 7 strugling relegation. This season must be the first time that Everton siince the war that we have no money to spend Sack the board , if only that were possible.
Peter Laing
132   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:13:12

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Ok to all those who feel that Everton have done good business in the transfer window what is the strategy now as we move forward ? The production of home grown 'organic' academy prospects expected to step up to the plate and fill the void left by experienced EPL such as Arteta. Momentum is building with the blue union and it is time for change - seriously could it be any worse being a blue this morning ?
Gerard Carey
133   Posted 01/09/2011 at 10:31:58

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Sad to see Arteta go but probably good business at the end of the day. Wondering what way Moyes sets up team for next match or maybe that should be dreading it. Probably will be same ol... same ol.
Kevin Hudson
134   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:30:10

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Having been glued to Sky Sports & ToffeeWeb all night, the missus turned to me this morning and said: " You were talking in your sleep last night."

"Saying what?" I replied.

"Oh - I don't know. Something about transfers,or something.."

Spat my Shreddies out.
Kevin Tully
135   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:30:07

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There were 5000 Evertonians screaming at Arteta to let Baines take the penalty against Blackburn.

Doesn't make Arteta sound like our best player, does it ?

This is not sour grapes, he was awful last season, and I blame a career threatening injury.

I think Arsenal will be very dissapointed when he twats the first defender in the bollocks. Every time.
Paul Lally
136   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:39:02

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Blaming the Blue Union is out of order.
And for those who say it was a good bit of business what about this scenario -
We sell Billy back to Russia and Jonny to either a Germann or Dutch club - there you go 10 Mill and we have not lost our best player !!!!
Last minute again so no chance to spend - Rooney exactly the same, last day but his deal was boxed off between Feb and May 2004.
No other club given a chance to bid including Mourinho at Chelsea.Kenwright outwitted again
How must Baines, Barkley, Howard, Cahill and the rest of the squad feel today ?
Let's hope that once the team crosses the white line they dig in and perform.
But we have to keep the pressure on Kenwright and the board and expose Green and Earl or I fear that at 48 years of age I will never see Everton win the league again, in my lifetime.

The very best of luck Mikel - time to get back to playing proper footy.
Phil Bellis
137   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:05:46

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Graham @125
I would rather we had businessman on the Board who would run the Everton as a business, appointing professionals in key roles to further our ambitions(!) rather than run it like a fuckin 1950s-style old boys' club
Alistair Strachan
138   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:10:03

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Why is it that saying the club did good business yesterday = supporting Kenwright???

I think yesterday's sale of Arteta was sensible in light of the current situation but also think the mess the current board allow us to wallow in is a disgrace.
Kevin Sparke
139   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:15:47

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This myth that Atreta was awful last season is getting legs. He wasn't awful, he was ordinary and is it any surprise given that was constantly played in an unfamiliar position. He also took Newcastle United apart at St James Park, not 5 months ago - or have you forgotten.

Hell thrive at Arsenal, where the default position for the ball is on the carpet and not 50 feet above the Mainstand Top Balcony like it is so often here.

Micky was a craftsman footballer, in a similar vein to Peanuts - we're going to be a much poorer team to watch (if it can get any worse) for his loss.

I wish him well and I hope he plays shite when he plays us.
Daniel A Johnson
140   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:19:29

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FUCK ME THE LOT OF YOU WAKE UP!

We have lost probably the first name to go on our team sheet.

The only player who can create and possibly unlock a defence is now gone.

The loss of Pienaar and Arteta is the death knell of this club.

1-nil down whos gonna create and do something Neville? Cahill? Osman? your havinag a fucking laugh.

Our strikeforce is Anichebe, Saha and this Denis bloke.

The sale of Arteta indicates were fucked, badly fucked and were now a selling club.

Do you think te agents of Baines, Fellaini and Jags haven't noticed the way teh club is going? Christ even I'd want away.

Were heading for the championship.
Ian Kearney
141   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:19:43

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To be fair Kevin, he still had the stones to take it.

What grates me most is accepting 10 mill for Arteta and rejecting 12 mill for the must easier to replace Jagielka, if one of them had to go I would have picked that oaf at the back every time.
Kevin Tully
142   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:28:07

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@ Kev #139

I actually lost count of the number of dead ball situations he fucked up last season,and that's honestly the truth.
Anthony Hughes
143   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:31:27

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The sad fact is our only creative influence in the squad now besides Baines is the much maligned Ossie.
Gregory Kelly
144   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:23:10

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It feels like the day Bally left us - also for Arsenal. The player who, on his day, was worth the admission money has gone. With Pienaar and Baines for a short time they were, on occasions, were close to the "Holy Trinity".

I wish him well but I think that like Bally he will have had the best of his career at Everton.

Ever onward - good luck to the new boys and Moysey
Paul O'Hanlon
145   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:10:05

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After the past 24hrs I'm sick of debating...roll on the Villa game next week when I can get back to being a supporter and watching my beloved team at Goodison Park.

Will that game end in tears/anger? Probably!
Dave Roberts
146   Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:47:15

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I have been an Everton supporter since my dad took me to my first game in 1954. I have seen good times and I have seen bad. I have been delirious with pleasure at times and depressed and frustrated at others. I have seen us win trophies and I have seen us lose them at Wembley. I have seen great teams and I have seen shite. Too much of the latter over recent years. Since I started my working life in 1964 I have had a season ticket except for a few seasons in the 70's when I worked many weekends and couldn't attend all home games.

I have worked as an agent for the club as a young man trying to raise funds from selling gaming tickets and golden goals. I have done whatever I was able to, to help as well as support the club and was happy to do so.

I was pale with rage when they sold Alan Ball and disappointed to the pit of my stomach when Rooney went the same way but without even a glance back over his shoulder. But I can live with all that. What I find impossible is the fact that this once great and powerful club, still the 4th most successful in England, is not totally in charge of its own future affairs.

Whether we think we have had the best out of Arteta and that his sale was good business or whether we think his sale was a disaster is irrelevant. The fact is, it was not the club who made the decision. The club is neither in charge of its financial situation or in charge of the players it wants to keep on its books. Not even a £40m bid by Chelsea could induce Redknapp to sell Modric, a player he was determined to keep.

It doesn't seem to matter how determined Everton are, or they say they are, the players go anyway because we do not have the wherewithal or the resources to stop them. Rooney, Gravesen, Lescott, Pienaar and now Arteta. How long before Baines and Jagielka, Rodwell and Barkeley go the same way?

I am the third generation of totally committed Evertonians after my father and his father before him. But they never had to feel that shivery fear that we are approaching the end of the story for Everton as a famous and current football club except in the same vein as we now speak of Accrington Stanley.

It may well be that I am overreacting and that tomorrow I will feel better. But right now (and yes I know it's only a game) I feel like jacking it all in and trying to get the club off my back and out of my mind.

But that will be difficult after 57 years.

I'm glad my father's not around to witness this. At least he was spared this mess. I was unlucky, I wasn't.
Graham Tansey
147   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:23:07

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Phil@137
So would I but at the moment we don't. We need to clear the debt first of all (should have sold Jagielka when they had the chance). We have Coleman, Gueye, Rodwell, Vellios, Barkley, Fellaini all good youngsters that can play this season. If we need to sell others come January or next summer then that's what they have to do. I trust Moyes to get some bargains back in (remember how much Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar cost and where they came from).
Once the debt is cleared then maybe we can get some movement on a new stadium and potential buyers may be more interested in the club.
We have the players to stay in the Premiership but it will be mid table or just below for the next couple of seasons.
No team anywhere is going to have any chance of breaking the top 5 without a billionaire buyer.
Anthony Doran
148   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:29:52

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Daniel im more worried about our (lack of) a proper fully fit striker than losing Arteta. Pienaar will be shown to be a greater loss than Arteta, if ur a struggling financial club and ur gonna pay a player 75K a week the least u should expect is for him to deliver crosses and freekicks properly 7 out 10 of the times. yes he still had some flashes of creativity and without him been replaced immediately we are weaker but at his age and with him clearly continuing to be on the wain I have to say im pleased with this bit of business by the board.
Kevin Sparke
149   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:44:05

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Fantastic post Dave Roberts - that's more or less how I feel.
Phil Bellis
150   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:42:49

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Graham, clearing the debt each transfer window by selling pur players relies on us staying in the Prem and bringing through players to sell
In addition, already our future income is held as security against mortgages
Your philosophy, as does Kenwrights, is premised on no injuries, Moyes remaining and retaining his abilitiy to nurture or improve palyers, and there being 3 teams below us at the end of each season
Too many what ifs in all this for my liking
Enough's enough
The buck stops with this Board and its (alleged) leader
For what he's allowed to happen on his watch...
Kenwright's a gobshite
Brian McGee
151   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:00:57

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I am astonished and disappointed with those supporters who consider yesterdays events as acceptable and a means of moving EFC forward.

Do they not remember the sublime skill and invention created on the left of the park by messers Baines, Pienar and Ateta while crying out for a semblance of balance on the right which was afforded by the short term loan of Donavan and culminated in Everton playing some of the best attacking and attractive football not seen in a long time.

Now we have witnessed the creative heart gradually ripped out of the team piece by piece. Those same supporters who consider yesterday to have been a good bit of business should take note that the template of the type of football they can expect to see from hereon in has been set during the first two games of the season.

The profit gained from the sales of Arteta and Beckford approximates to the loss suffered from the sale of the Yak - A good bit of business????

Yesterday our goal scoring ability rested with the likes of Beckford, Saha, the Yak, Cahill and Anichebe. Today it rests with Saha, Cahill, Anichebe and some unknow Argentian - progress?????????

On the new arrivals, Tim Vickery, the BBC South American football correspondent who has enormous depth of knowledge of the football of that particular continent has gone on record stating the poor quality of the Argentinian league and has cast doubt on our new saviours ability to make his mark on the Premier league and this notwithstanding that he was not deemed good enough for Leicester City. Furthermore given that Moyes has given every indication that there would be no new arrivals at the club during the close season, are we to believe that Moyes has been scouting both of the new recruits or has he just had another You Tube moment.

While I can't stand Dagleish, credit were credit due, he came in, identified the crap and shipped them out on mass toute suite. However Moyes in his infinite wisdom rewards our crap with extended contracts. If the sale of Arteta was required to satisfy the Bank, why sacrifice quality over crap which we currently have an abundence of in Hibbet, Neville, Jagielka, Rodwell, Cahill and Anichebe.

Sadly the demise of Everton Football Club seems to be in full swing with Kenwright overseeing the complete maladministration of the Club, Moyes the total decline of attractive skillful and attacking football all in full view of those supporters who consider these two have the best interests of the club at heart.

Nils Satis Nisi Optimum - R.I.P.

Sam Morrison
152   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:01:45

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Brian I don't think anyone thinks that it's a good day for Everton. Looking at the bigger picture it's incredibly sad that we're in this mess.

But in this mess we are, and having found ourselves here I'd rather sell and give the club a chance of survival than desperately cling on to players and see the finances get any worse.

The name Everton means more to me than the name Arteta, that's all.
Ciarán McGlone
153   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:59:06

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"The fact is, it was not the club who made the decision. "
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Of course it was.

If you're trying to suggest that the banks had a hand in forcing us to sell, then you're probably right...however they did not MAKE us sell our most creative player...

Our club made that choice. They choose to accept 10 million pounds (the same amount paid for Peter Crouch) for Mikel Arteta.

They choose not to sell an equivalently priced player - for example, an overated centre half who would've attracted more money. Or a hairy midfielder, who people will still be saying has got potential in five years time..

To say that the club had no choice in selling is probably right, to say they had no choice in who they sold - is undoubtedly wrong.

We have sold the wrong player, and we will be far worse for it.
Sam Morrison
154   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:06:42

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And I disagree over your definition of 'crap' by the way.
mike wright
155   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:53:20

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Thomas Williams@60

25 mill back then was hell of a lot of money in football terms, not many clubs had massive debts of that amount at that time.

I never said Bk was a hero of mine, i think the way the club has been run financially over the past 25/30 yrs that i can remember has been nothing short of scandalous.

Blue Bill in his mind thinks he is doing the best for the club, unfortunately i don't think he is very open to change and has not had a new idea in the past 10 yrs at least. This is no way to run a massive multi national company, the sooner he realises his actions are harming the club he loves the better, alas i don't think his blinkered vision of the future will let him leave any time soon.

Colin Fitzpatrick
156   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:05:56

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Dave #146,

great post that, depressing but never the less a real post from the heart.
Brian McGee
157   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:11:29

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Sam,

The point I was highlighting was that to satisfy the requirements of the banks, the club had an abundence of players to offload whose departure would not have been felt as keenly as that of Arteta.

The players highlighted are neither game changing or of the required level of skill and ability I want to see play for Everton.

Dave Roberts
158   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:04:29

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If Bill Kenwright loved the club as much as he says he does then there is a possible way forward. At least it would be a way forward if I was in his shoes.

He should reduce the debt by paying everything we have made in this window to the Bank ( he will probably have to anyway) I think that would leave our debt at about £27m.

He should then put the club on the market for this amount plus £1 ( I believe some money has to change hands for legal reasons)

If that means BK loses his investment then tough shit because there is no guarantee of a return on investments, mine, yours or his.

So a prospective buyer would get a fully operational and well supported premiership football club for £27m.

This would be cheap, may encourage potential buyers and would be cheap enough to encourage investment in the stadium.

Maybe I'm being naive here and maybe for some reason it would be impossible but clubs have been sold for a pound before.

Will it happen?

No, probably not.
Tom Bowers
159   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:13:56

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At his best Arteta was tremendous and never recognised at least once by Spain which he should have been.
Sadly injuries caught up with him and we never saw many great games over the last eighteen months but I am sure he will have a big influence at Arsenal.
This was good business by Everton but his experience may have helped Barklay along. Good that he finished on a high note with a cool game winner at Blackburn much like Beckford against Chelsea in last season's home finale.
Good luck to both of them.
Pity the money gained cannot be used on players just yet.
We can only hope the 2 new loan players make some impact quickly as there are some big games coming up so Moyes come on give them ample opportunity and not keep them sitting on the bench when other players are being inconsitantly poor.
Players should not be selected just because of effort, they must contribute and have impact.
Sam Morrison
160   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:28:52

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Brian (157) - fair enough, a big fee for Jags might have been a better move than the Arteta one. But the other players you list (Rodwell aside, who I don't think we should sell) would not give us any meaningful funds in return and are more use as part of the squad than sellable assets.

I disagree they are crap, but there we get into the subjective...
Ciarán McGlone
161   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:28:52

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"He should then put the club on the market for this amount plus £1 ( I believe some money has to change hands for legal reasons)"
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Unforunately he's not the only one with shares..therefore selling the club for nominal consideration is not an option. I doubt he'd be up for that anyway....

I don't believe he's got a philanthropic bone in his body..

Dave Roberts
162   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:24:14

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Ciaran

Yes you are right. I hadn't intended to lay all the emphasis on the sale of Arteta because, as I said, many on here believe that that was actually good business.

The point I was making was that our situation gives us no control over whether or not we keep the players we want to keep. On this occasion there may have been a choice for the club to make between selling Arteta, Jagielka or Baines and the club made a choice.

But the club is STILL NOT IN CHARGE OF THE PLAYERS IT WANTS TO KEEP and that is the point. It would have to have sold one of them even if it wanted to keep all of them..... and that is the point.

We have returned to the ethos of the selling club we were told we no longer were a few years ago.
Ryan Rosenberg
163   Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:43:17

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Gutted. We have such a small squad and we have lost our most creative player. He definitely added flair and he could pass very well. I know his best days are behind him, but with no replacement and bringing in two loans - very very worrying
Alistair Strachan
164   Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:12:19

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Sam Morrison - I agree 100% with that post
Paul Traill
165   Posted 01/09/2011 at 12:42:00

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I was pretty gutted to hear / see / read about Arteta leaving yesterday, particularly as the £10m is going straight to the bank. In some ways I'm quite supportive of selling where we have to. Whether we like it or not Kenwright is still in charge and we are massively in debt to the bank.

This is all speculation of course as I obviously can't know the actual figures, but from what Sam Wallace on that Sunday Supplement show was saying, Everton were £40m in debt before yesterday. So....

Mikel Arteta. Sold for £10m. 4 years left on contract @ £75k p/w = £14.4.
Jermaine Beckford. Sold for up to £4m. Two years left on contract @ £30k p/w = £2.88m
Yakubu. Sold for £1.5m. One year left on contract @ £50k p/w = £2.4m
James Vaughan. Sold for around £2m(?). One year left on contract @, I don't know £10k p/w(?) =£0.48m

Combined:
Arteta: £24.4m
Beckford: £6.88m
Yakubu: £3.9m
Vaughan: £2.48m
Overall: £37.66m

Players in...I'd wager Real Madrid are probably even subsidising a percentage of his wages as they want rid entirely, whilst I can't imagine this Denis lad is on a fortune having come from the Argentine league so hopefully these won't make to much of a dint in the money going back to the bank right? More to thepoint, lets hope these lads are quite good!

I'm sure there's many reasons as to why all this is not so straightforward but I'd have thought this will keep the bank happier for a while...less debt, you'd think, should mean a greater prospect to sell the club, coupled with more pressure from fans on Kenwright to sell...so long as Moyes keeps working miracles on the pitch for this season, I think we might just find a buyer for our desperate club.

Here's hoping...


James Marshall
166   Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:12:23

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Ciaran@110 - do you ever listen to anyone elses opinion on anything? I've never come across a more conceited individual in all my life.

The Arteta deal IS good business, purely based upon the fact we don't have a pot to piss in, have debts to pay, he's 29, Arsenal bid for him and the player himself wanted to leave the club. What's not to understand?
Ciarán McGlone
167   Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:26:45

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James Marshall

Of course I listen to opposing opinions - like I just did with you. Then I disagree with the shit ones.

For a couter to your "what's not to understand"...read my post 110.

But obviously you've read it and disagree, because you;ve declared yourself the winner...how conceited.

I think you'll find a lot of Evertonians do not like the situtation we found ourselves in yesterday, and do not like the outcome. i.e THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU!

Trevor Mackie
168   Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:14:24

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Dave Roberts @ 146

Well said, I imagine only when Houlding put the Anfield rent up has the fate of this club been in such peril.

We're being held to ransom again by one mans vanity and greed.
Anthony Doran
169   Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:53:25

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The Arteta deal is good business, regardless of the clubs current predicament. He is coming to the end of his career and has been a complete flop on the pitch for the last season and a half. Some people need to wise up here and realise that instead of flogging Fellani or Johnny, both of whom will have a longer future in football than Arteta, that we actually sold the right player and that is was the clubs decision.
James Marshall
170   Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:08:35

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Football is all about opinions Ciaran - you're clearly a smart guy and I don't want to get into a row with you so apologies if I pissed you off.

You would have to agree that we need the money though, right? And at 29 its good business in that sense, no?
Gareth Humphreys
171   Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:48:16

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The club is in financial meltdown and needed to get money in. Since his injury in February 2009 he has been very very very average. So much so that a couple of times he has not even made the first xi when fit if you recall.
£10m for someone way way way past his best and who is 30 in March is a very good deal on its own.
The fact that the money will probably not be reinvested in the team is irrelevant to the figure we actually got.
Thanks Mikel for some great performances but you have served your purpose.
A final point - I think the transfer says an awful lot about Arsenal and Arsene Wenger that they think he is someone who can come in and do a job for them. His predecessor is now playing keep ball with Lionel Messi and Andres Iniesta. Mikel is miles away from that level and in all honesty was even at his best.
James Marshall
172   Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:23:14

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Oh, so some people agree with me. Funny that ;-)
Ciarán McGlone
173   Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:23:46

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James,

No worries, it isn't taking much to piss me off today. It's an emotive time

I certainly know we need the money. Had we have sold Jags and Cahill, and given all the money to Barclays - I would have been a happy man today..
Anthony Doran
174   Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:24:34

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James @ 172 I dont think ur talking shit and even if I did I would have more respect for a fellow Blue than to use such choice language in the hopes of been declared the 'winner'!!! ;)
Brian Waring
175   Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:35:54

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Why is it that when ever someone leaves us, he suddenly becomes labelled shite, or past it?
James Marshall
176   Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:40:47

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I agree, and wouldn't lose any sleep if Cahill left now. He simply doesn't fit in to any way of playing, really. Mind you, how do we play? Does anyone know anymore, apart from badly of course.

Anthony@174 - you're all winners in my eyes ;-)
Karl Meighan
177   Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:43:45

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Can someone explain how getting rid of a 10m footballer with a proven track record in England and Beckford (who was given a raw deal by Moyes) and replacing them with a fella dragged off some estate in Buenos Aries and Drenthe a player who no other Club wants is a good day for us? How from a footballing viewpoint can this be a good day.

Ime a football fan not a financial expert and we have just weakened a already thin getting old and not good enough squad.
James Marshall
178   Posted 01/09/2011 at 17:17:58

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Arteta 29 (he wanted to leave)

Yakubu 28(ish)

Beckford 27 (never gonna quite cut it IMO)

Drenthe 24 (can be excellent if he can be arsed)

Stracqualursi 23 (who knows)

The 2 new boys are the right side of errr, 25......Yakubu was unlikely to feature very much, and Moyes clearly doesn't rate or think much of Beckford, and neither do I!
Karl Meighan
179   Posted 01/09/2011 at 17:26:57

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Arteta wanted to leave as we have shown no ambition and no improvements to first team or squad thats the very least you have to show players.

If these 2 players coming in are a improvement why didn't we sign them 5 weeks ago? Seems to me there not improvements at all there just bodies that cost nothing. Do you believe James that Moyes would have signed these players if he had say 2m available?

You can paint whatever picture you want with age James but Everton are a better team and squad with Arteta and Beckford than the 2 coming in who from what i see no other Club wanted.

I always believe Clubs should improve and try to get better that wont happen selling 1 of the squads 2 creative players, players needed adding for competition as we were a very average side with Arteta as such it will be a miracle if we improve.
James Marshall
180   Posted 01/09/2011 at 17:55:23

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Totally. But we don't have a pot to piss in so beggars can't be choosers. Given the situation, did the club really have much choice? I don't think so, and although I don't like it either, it does seem as though the best has been made of a bad situation.

Guess I'm just a 'glass half full' kinda bloke.
Tom Flower
181   Posted 01/09/2011 at 19:33:37

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First time on so here we go. I wish Arteta all the very best. A class act on the pitch and a dignified presence off it. It is obvious he has been sold off to satisfy the bank and I am extremely sceptical off all the talk about him asking to leave and leaving Moyes in the lurch etc. The guy took a massive pay cut to leave and still cant speak highly enough about the club! A class act who wouldn't slag the club off even though i suspect he has been treated shabbily and probably against his will. Has anyone considered that he may have said he wanted to go so to save the club having to pay him off which is a standard clause in players contracts? My take is that he has had a gun put to his head and has been told we cant afford you, you are being sold and if you love the club then ask to go otherwise we are in administration by the bank. He was football focus the other week saying he was staying put!

Yak going was no shock but you have to question not flogging him last year when the offer was 6 million!

Becks going has left us looking very weak up front. Anichebe step forward. I doubt it.

Anyone want to take a bet on Fellaini going in Jan?

Unfortunately without a new ground and / or an ambitious board the club will continue to sell. I think Kenwright is a grade one bull shitter but unless the next person to take his place is loaded the situation will not change.
Brendan O'Doherty
182   Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:50:34

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Tom #181

"Has anyone considered that he may have said he wanted to go so to save the club having to pay him off which is a standard clause in players contracts? My take is that he has had a gun put to his head and has been told we cant afford you, you are being sold and if you love the club then ask to go otherwise we are in administration by the bank."

Nail on head. That is exactly my reading of this - see 'Arteta asked to leave' thread. The only reason the club initially turned down the bid was because they would have to pay the compensation. This way they don't, AND pass the buck on to Arteta. Disgraceful behaviour altogether, but not surprising given what went on in the Rooney transfer.


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