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How long eh... how long? The list is endless. Everton robbed by a referee with his head so far up his own arse he can play the mouth organ on his larynx. ?It was an honest mistake? the pundits will say. ?He got it wrong? ?It was not one of his best performances?. And the list of injustices grows, the list of shite performances by shite and probably bent referees continues. Add Martin Atkinson?s name to the list headed by Clive Thomas, add it just behind Graham Poll, stick it next to Clatternburg, to Mike Riley, to Uriah Rennie.

I hate getting beat by Liverpool, it hurts - but the sting is taken out when it?s a fair even contest. I?ve seen us get trounced 0-5 and a master class of forward play by Ian Rush and it felt better than this. This match was ended as a contest after 20 minutes when Rodwell was sent off in one of the most inept decisions I?ve ever seen in a Derby game and I?ve seen a few.

As to our performance after the sending off - it was all about containment and we didn?t have the resolve nor the reserve.

I?ve had enough. We were up against it already with 100 million pre-season spending playing 250,000 - but this tit of a referee for reasons best known to himself (and who knows - his bank manager) felt he had to even up the score a bit.

Sod this for a lark - I?m off to watch a game less bent, like Stockbridge Village Infant school arm wrestling The Kiwi Rugby Union side second row - or cross channel swimming whilst carrying a piano.

Thanks Atkinson - I look forward to your book. If I might suggest a chapter - ?How I coined it by killing football?

Kevin Sparke, Northumberland     Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:01:30

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Dalziel Kane
1   Posted 01/10/2011 at 13:09:25

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Fuck off, Rodwell's been sent off? :(

What's going on here, down to 10 men already, says it was a 'harsh challenge', stupid cunt referee, even the pundits saying it wasn't anywhere near a red, Rodwell got the ball. :(
Tom Bowers
2   Posted 01/10/2011 at 13:16:58

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I said earlier in the week about Atkinson as the ref and now he has proved once again what an idiot he is.

The Prem is the best league in the world so why do we have many poor referees?

Come on you Blues.

Tony Gee
3   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:21:36

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Another Ref who'll never grace Goodison again...

Fooball is dying... And not before time.

Stewart Littler
4   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:21:05

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No Moyes interview on Sky Sports; he should come out and say what we all feel ? the ref is bent or incompetent and it needs addressing either way, I'd struggle to see how he could be charged for such an honest assessment.
Nelly Verdonghan
5   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:24:14

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The decision was so badly wrong it was embarrassing...

They talk about respect for referees.... well if the got the fucking decisions correct them everyone WOULD respect them ? didn't see auld whinger moaning about not getting decisions today did we... fuck no

If ATKINSON has any conscience at all he will resend the red as soon as he sees it in his dressing room... and then he should be struck off the referee's list... not just the EPL but every list there is.... right down to U7's in his local area.

FUCKIN INCOMPETENCE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER... but what will happen to him? FUCK ALL ? that's what

IMO that decision and that decision alone cost us the game and he should be fuckin ashamed ? just like Twattenburg he will probably never ref another game at Goodison.... useless bastard!!
Nick Entwistle
6   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:40:19

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One of the great titles in TW history.
Ben Dyke
7   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:43:13

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Completely puts you off football when you get decisions like that. Hurts even more when its us playing Liverpool, when so much goes against us. The world is not fair ? great lesson being an Everton fan.

Would still rather be a Blue though than have hollow 'victories' as a Red.

COYB
Dalziel Kane
8   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:32:45

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We can berate the match official until the cows come home but it's not going to change today's outcome, even after the sending off for a time it looks like the boys could still get a result but in the end the extra man and humidity proved decisive after an early dismissal.

Just remember a handful of ref's giving favorable shite decisions over the course of a season does not constitute the Anfield club will come out of it with anything to show for it, don't be surprised if they end up with nothing, and it won't be the first time in recent years.

Also you'll find Moyes, or managers in general aren't allowed to vent their frustrations as it may upset someone. i.e "Today's match official was an inept fuckin' so-and-so", you know, someone might object.
Sean Patton
9   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:45:03

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On top of everything, it's getting just too hard to fucking take now, this might be the breaking point.

No signings
Players leaving
Incompetent board
Negative manager
Dour football

And you can now add cheating officials to the list... just once just fucking once can Everton get a break in this game? Nope, too much to ask for fairness and an even contest.
Brian Waring
10   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:54:16

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Are we seriously saying Atkinson knew it was never a red card, but gave it anyway so the shite would have an advantage ?
Brendan O'Doherty
11   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:00:13

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Angry and distraught. That is all.


Andy Crooks
12   Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:53:21

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I watched the match today in a bar full of Liverpool supporters. Here's where I take comfort:

We do not, and I'm nearly sure about this, have players who will deliberately cheat.
We don't have Andy Carroll; surely the worst signing in the history of the world.
We don't have king Kenny, That hatched faced, charmless undignified piece of talentless shit as coach. Yeah, I know we have Moyes but he wasn't to blame today.

Nick Entwistle
13   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:01:08

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A subconscious desire to benefit the 'bigger' teams is the least of what could be leveled at refs, Brian.
Brian Waring
14   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:04:01

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I agree with that, Nick, that's a fair point.
Stuart Critchley
15   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:01:54

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How many times in the last 30 years have we been robbed in these games?? Fuckin mugged again!!
Trevor Mackie
16   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:07:20

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Clutching at straws, when they have 10 against us they win.
Nick Entwistle
17   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:08:26

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One thing is for sure, Rodwell's challenge may have been enough to have Suarez fall over, but not leap two feet into the air and come crashing down and roll around like a big girl's blouse. Suarez made it easier for the ref, or harder for him, whichever way you want to look at it.
Daniel Hutchinson
18   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:09:22

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Completely agree.

However, I want to congratulate our lads in the second half. They did not lose heart and battled through the whole game. We should be proud of our players today.

As for the dirty ... why was Suarez not booked for diving, piece of shit.

I have never been more livid and I completely agree with us throwing bottles at them, they fucking deserve it. TWATS.
Shaun Dixon
19   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:01:48

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It was that much of a bad call sending Rodwell off, Souness condemed it How the fuck do you get sent off for taking the ball of a player cleanly? It wasn't even a foul.

It's too late for this match but it will be interesting if we appeal the red card, and what response we get.

James Morgan
20   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:08:03

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What an absolute cunting biased arsehole twat face prick nobhead wanker shithead fuckwit pleb kopite gobshite pin dick tosser.

Good job I've had time to reflect... Completely spoiled the game. Always the same.
Nick Entwistle
21   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:14:00

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We're running out of refs who can come to Goodison now surely?
Brian Waring
22   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:14:52

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That's the worst thing about it Nick, how Suarez reacted to the challenge.
IMO, that's where the cheat tag can be used big style.
David Hallwood
23   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:11:30

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Sorry Nick#13 Sewer rat was doing what all Latin American footballers do, it is the actions of Atkinson that need to be looked at, not only the sending off but Kuyt was offside for the 2nd goal, and all key decisions went RS way. Refs can make amends by giving shed loads of free kicks in neutral areas but it is their actions in key areas that sets the alarm bells ringing.
Wayne Smyth
24   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:07:45

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Nick, I think there is some truth to what you say.

I'd also add that refs are notorious for not giving decisions against the "big" teams because of all the media interest it sparks. Half of that media interest is driven by the managers of big clubs like Wenger or Ferguson coming out and having a whinge when things don't go their way.

Sadly this one is going to get forgotten about soon enough because Moyes will probably not say anything much. And that's not a criticism, because I applaud Moyes's stance on having a squad of players who are honest and don't berate the ref to the same extent as some clubs, but it does irk me to see that we are in a minority in terms of that attitude and it really does us no favours in matches.

Maybe time to throw that out of the window and dive, feign, cheat and cause a stink every time the referee does something against us.

Shame actually, because I thought Moyes got his selection and tactics right today. The boys were doing good up till that point, too. I honestly thought we would win. Disappointing we're talking mostly about the ref again after a derby game.
Andy Crooks
25   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:26:05

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No criticism of David Moyes here. We have seen today what he is up against. The referee today was utterly incompetent. He destroyed what could have been a great derby. Suarez is a cheat who is probably proud of his day's work. Also, he is a coward. I've tried to think of appropriate words to describe what I have just witnessed but cowardly cheat will have to do.

The worst refereeing performance I have ever seen. I have slammed David Moyes on this site but today, forget, apologist or Moyes hater. We we were the victims of cheating, incompetence and cowardice.

Nelly Verdonghan
26   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:27:28

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Totally agree, Andy.
Colin Smith
27   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:25:28

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James @18 spot on!. If Atkinson thought that was a foul, then his ability to serve as a top level referee needs to be reviewed. More broadly, if the laws of the game state the tackle was a foul, then football may as well be changed into a contact-free sport.
Dalziel Kane
28   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:37:42

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But you could say that about Moyes to a degree about last weeks setback at Manchester City if you take the cheating out of it. Incompetence and cowardice was mentioned much in some variation by many participants or least that's what I read.

But you're right, today is not about berating Moyes, he went for an attacking option during the game but the damage had already been done early doors, and I've seen worse refereeing decisions than that prick this afternoon. France vs West Germany in 1982 as such an example, but yes, getting tired of getting fucked over by Redshite favoring officials.

Jamie Tulacz
29   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:43:33

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James (20)- I'll second that!
John Atkins
30   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:30:29

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I've emailed FAMOA (Football Association's Match Officials Association) Famoa@TheFA.com and the FA. (via login) I've demand that idiot gives fans an apology before he is suspended. I will be calling the FA Monday on Tel: 0844 980 8200 they should be bombarded by all at Toffeeweb with calls and emails demanding he be struck off!!!
Andy Crooks
31   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:50:33

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John, the referee is an incompetent nonentity. What about Suarez, however? An alleged professional who pretends to be hurt to get a fellow pro sent off. My God, these are supposed to be men. Suarez; coward and cheat. Let's see if we can stick that label to him.
Mick Davies
32   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:49:42

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I have to disagree about Moyes not being to blame. Forget the so-called referee and his decisions, Hibbert was shite and that's about as good as he's ever been. No attempt to cut out the cross for the first goal, he was well beaten when being favourite to the ball. Marks thin air, puts crosses into the box when there's no one in there. Pushes up and leaves the right side exposed. Once Coleman went off, Enrique ragged him soft. Moyes eventually took him off but onto the second piece of bad management.

He is reluctant to play strikers but when he does, he makes it a player who's had no match practice for ages and isn't the type to rough defenders like Carragher up. Strac should have at least come on in the second half and put himself about and Saha shouldn't have got 90 mins. He was understandably knackered well before then. As for South American 'footballers'? ? they shouldn't be allowed in the country after this week... (er... except Strac).

Kevin Sparke
33   Posted 01/10/2011 at 16:50:47

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My perspective is Suarez is an exceptional player who did get clipped. However, I don't think his rolling around on the floor like he's been felled with a 12-bore contributed to Jack's dismissal. Rather, I'm pretty sure Atkinson had an agenda ?- and that agenda was "I want to be the most talked about personality of this derby" ? and he has been.

Now, if he'd have sent off a Liverpool player unjustly the gods of football would have shit on him as from above ? but we're Everton; second tier, not likely to be a powerful force in Europe, not likely to rock boats...

The guy got it wrong, but he would never in a month of Sundays got it wrong the other way.

Therefore, he's a twat, and probably a bent twat.

ps: I've been thrown off the Guardian Website for suggesting such ? draw your own conclusions.
Andy Crooks
34   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:02:44

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Kevin, being thrown off the Guardian website surely entitles you to some sort of ToffeeWeb award. Provided, of course, you can explain what you were doing on it in the first place.
Marc Williams
35   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:00:49

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I've been watching Everton since the late 1970s, so have seen a fair amount of poor refereeing deceisions & downright injustice in that time.

When I saw Atkinson was down for this match, I ? like the many who pointed it out on here ? was worried given his record & stats.
However with the support, coaching & monitoring modern ref's get I thought "No, give him the benefit of the doubt as he'll be well briefed. You know, it's a derby, don't over react & spoil it, etc..."

How bloody wrong was I ?

Over the years I've seen some stomach churning tackles in these games. Rodwell's tackle warranted no more than a quiet word at most. Surely it'll go down as one of the softest red cards ever given in a derby!
Ciaran O'Brien
36   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:11:51

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I cant fuckin believe this. The prick was right in the view of the tackle and no way was it a red fuckin card. It was a hard but clean tackle. Even Graham fuckin Souness said it wasnt. He should be demoted after that. Also, Liverpool hardly got any bookings. Only Lucas got one but Suarez didn't get one when he barged into Jags.

I reckon we would have won the game if this never happened. We were creating chances and kept them at bay but, after this we completely had to change to a defensive setup. I also hate that annoying little prick Suarez. His face just riles me up and he also looks like a rat. He also prevented Ghana to be the first African team to get to the World Cup Semi Finals after handled the ball on the line last summer. He is a good player but is a cheating, diving and dirty player. Fuck you, Atkinson... Fuck you, Suarez... and fuck you Redshite.

Dominic Bobadilla
37   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:20:28

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The FA paid him for this! This is them against us.
Oliver Molloy
38   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:02:30

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Mick @ 32..

Have we any other strikers that can hit a ball like Saha? ? No.
Have we any other strikers that have a bit of skill like Saha? ? No.
Have we any other strikers that have big game experience like Saha? ? No.

What do you expect Moyes to do with the squad he has? ? wave a magic wand? The sending off decision was an absolute disgrace and Dalgish not wishing to comment is another disgrace, not just to Rodwell but also his fellow manager and football fans in general

If there is any justice at all, the red card should be rescinded but we all know that would be a major surprise if the happened. The guy Suarez rolling around like he had been chopped in two will hopefully come back to haunt him in more ways than one!

Hibbert would also have been sent off for the challenge on Adams ? the only reason he wasn't was because the ref knew he had made a mistake with Rodwell. All-in-all, it's tough being an Evertonian, but this is what makes us the special fans we are. Keep the blue flag flying. COYB.

Andy Crooks
39   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:31:51

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I bow to no-one in my distaste at the tactics and overall attitude of David Moyes. Not today; okay I'd have started Drenthe ahead of Cahill but he set out a pretty positive team and Rodwell was playing well. We were robbed today but enough whingeing. If he continues with that attitude, there will be good days to come.
Oliver Molloy
40   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:37:47

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Andy @ 42...

I'm not convinced with Drenthe. Anyone can see why he would never got a chance @ RM. It seems he's a bit useful with his mouth. Needs to to do his talking on the pitch, if you know what I mean.

Chad Schofield
41   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:14:03

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I see it opposite to that, Kevin @33.
The FA should come down on players retrospectively if it's deemed that they've simulated injury. Nobody wants to see players injured (well on the whole), but Suarez conned the ref. Admittedly the ref could not have had a better view, but given the pace of the game and the fact Suarez acted as though he was seriously injured, clearly had an effect on Attkinson's decision. The same goes for Charlie Adam... one minute he's rooted to the ground looking like he's going to have to be registered disabled, next he's almost breaking the crossbar from 20 yards.

Until the football bodies act, then there will always be shit like this. Unfortunately as much as David James may suggest that controversial decisions are what makes football great... but it's not. TV replays for decisions such as red card incidents is something that has been widely discussed - there are problems with the slow down of the game though. However, the football authorities should reprimand those who try to deceive the referee in the same way that they reprimand those who actively try and injure players. They have tried to stamp it out with yellow cards for diving, having to leave the pitch if you're injured etc... but the only way is to ban players retrospectively.
John Ford
42   Posted 01/10/2011 at 17:40:29

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It was the full rolling around waving the hand in the air, fake injury, from that little shit. It would have been comical had it not been for the card.

Fellaini did well today as did Saha. Hopefully Louis still thinks he's got something to prove and we'll see a good season from him. If he does stay fit and well then I dont really see a place for Cahill.
Jim Burns
43   Posted 01/10/2011 at 18:13:26

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Ciaran@37....spot on. I'd only add that aside from handling the ball on the line v Ghana, the manner in which he then celebrated wildly when the penalty was saved was enough to make any sportsman, from any sport vomit.

Only just got home and still seething - but here, maybe, are two tiny shreds of comfort from today....1).we showed something today thats been lacking in previous games and maybe - just maybe, we will get angry enough to kick on from this for the rest of the season and 2) watching that shower of arrogant cheating bastards has convinced me they will win fuck all this season - including a Champions League place - how many millions? They were shit.

David Constantine
44   Posted 01/10/2011 at 18:32:19

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I have supported Everton since 1952 and I have been disappointed many times by poor refereeing decisions, many times but this has to be the worst (along with Clive Thomas). I look forward to these two fixtures every year and to have the outcome determined by such incompetency is hard to deal with. Last week at Man City I cringed when I saw Howard Webb as the official. These nitwits are so biased in favor of the top 4 or 5 it's pitiful. You know a ref has a poor game whe he is the main talking point. How in the hell could he get that decision wrong - he was only 2 yards away
Daniel Hutchinson
45   Posted 01/10/2011 at 18:44:31

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I have been reported on Facebook by the Liverpool page
Mike Gwyer
46   Posted 01/10/2011 at 18:58:15

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Looked at the tackle again on YouTube and it really is a fucking disgrace.

You know, we had Andy Johnson battered from here to kingdom come because managers said he dived. That diving RS fuck will probably get praised by all and sundry as being a good pro.

Danny Burke
47   Posted 01/10/2011 at 18:39:41

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An absolute joke, when you compare it to say, the two footed Gerrard lunge on Naysmith at Anfield and he wasn't sent off! I know that was a long time ago now but it just shows how these decisions go against us when we play them and have been for years. Kuyt kung fu on Nev, Lescott two pens not given, Hutchison "goal", and now this. I am absolutly bloody fuming with this!!!

Oh and whoever it was above who said they agreed with throwing missiles at the players, don't be a nob! It's never justified, tempting as it might be to throw a brick in Suarez shitty, cheating, vile, twatish, ugly arsed, rat face, we musn't!
John Nugent
48   Posted 01/10/2011 at 18:49:07

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Even Ray Houghton on talkSPORT(shite) right now couldn,t believe it was a foul!!!

James @20
Agreed!!!
Dalziel Kane
49   Posted 01/10/2011 at 19:06:48

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Is there a record for the amount of time logged into Tofeeweb as I feel I may be in contention for some kind of accolade..

Going out soon, gonna be a late night and a few sherbets going down, but I would of done that regardless of todays result, OK, we got fucked to an extent by a less than excellent match official, the opposition won, it was a lousy afternoon, the players for their part tried, Moyes did some alterations from last week, I hate losing to this cunt opposition as much as anyone else, but all done, the result stands and we have to move on, all is not lost in the league, and then there's the FA and League Cups and you never know what can happen. I'm still getting on with it, but from here on tonight I think I'll divorce myself from any further soccer talk. There'll be brighter days than this.

Anyone watching Bore of the Day later on highlights can fill us in later of what is said and what order they put us on, expert Hansen's 'Impartial' comments, drooling over a shite victory and giving Anfield superlatives, and Dixon, Lineker etc, boring the living fuck out of viewers.

I'd rather go out and have a few sherbets if it's all the same. Just hope there is a certain sense of amnesia out of it.





Martin Parker
50   Posted 01/10/2011 at 19:33:04

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what is mick davies going on about saying this player didn't do that and didn't do this, the game was finished as soon as that twat of a referee sent Rodwell off, so no mick we won't forget for a minute about the referee, he killed the game completely and it is a total waste of time trying to judge the game beyond that.
Tom Brown
51   Posted 01/10/2011 at 19:42:02

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Some people round my end have been saying "HONEST MISTAKE" but that is bollocks. Ref's are supposed to only give fouls (and cards) if they are sure they see the infrigment. If they are not sure, they are not supposed to give it. How could he be sure when it didn't happen? You can't accidentally see something that isn't there. Total incompetence. He should be booted out of the PL.

Any ideas for how you would have reacted if you were the manager? I'd have been minded to tell all the players to sit down for the rest of the game in protest but the 90-0 defeat would have been no good for our goal difference. What is the penalty for refusing to take the kick off after the other team score? Who would get booked? You can't blame any one particular player for not taking it if no one is near the centre spot.... or can you?
Frank Duffy
52   Posted 01/10/2011 at 19:58:31

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If Atkinson is put in charge of any more Everton games we should all refuse to go. Never going to happen but I for one will not attend any game at Goodison he is in charge of.

A disgrace. He should come out to explain and Moyes should vent his anger on the TV.
Ken Buckley
53   Posted 01/10/2011 at 19:58:59

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'Are we seriously saying Atkinson knew it was never a red card, but gave it anyway so the Shite would have an advantage'

Oh no. All we are saying is incompetent referee who should be reigned in before he can do further damage. The financial situation thrust upon fans is bad enough but Refs like him will put the icing on the cake. People can lose their jobs just because of his incompetence. Clubs can lose revenue as fans realize to stay away when such buffoons are officiating.
Rob Noonan
54   Posted 01/10/2011 at 19:55:23

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I thought the attitude and make-up of the team was excellent today. With 10 men, we never gave up. They did us proud today, anyone having a go at Moyes after that has ulterior motives. For some reason despite feeling gutted, for some reason today, I also feel proud, proud as ever for being blue. They cheated, they won.
Graham Duffy
55   Posted 01/10/2011 at 20:25:09

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Things like what that ref did today make me think there's no point to football anymore. It's not entertainment when we all know if were playing one of the Sky 4, 5, 6 whatever the fuck it is now, it's a dead on certainty that it's 11 v 12 at best.

It was an absolute disgrase what happened today. We looked pretty good until that twat sent off Rodwell. That cheating diving bastard should be banned.
Steve Higham
56   Posted 01/10/2011 at 20:14:45

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That is the worst refereeing performance I have ever seen. He totally spoilt the game as a spectacle.I had just mentioned to my lad that the game had settled down nicely and we where watcing a proper derby football game.When out of the blue Atkinson decides to make a name for himself just like the many other refs we can name.

We all know refereeing is a tough job but he the incident was right in front of him. After the sending off thought the lads performance was brilliant - could not be faulted. Anyone who says otherwise have a look at yourself.

Its about time these refs who totally spoil a game are made accountable .If they want respect its about time they showed the fans some. Atkinson should come out and apologise after that performance -surely we are going to appeal the red card ! Did anyone notice that in the second half Atkinson was going to book Lucas then suddenly remembered it would be his second and would have to send him off - that summed his performance red tinted.

Was so angry coming out the ground but now after calming down and a few drinks feel so proud of the team and you know what am proud to be a blue. We can all hold our heads high the red shite know they only won because of the ref .

The record should so Everton 0 Atkinson 2.

Kevin Freaney
57   Posted 01/10/2011 at 20:28:53

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Anyone else pick up on the replays of the penalty decision. You can see Suarez looking for Jags and getting ready to go down. The guy is scum!
Chris Matheson
58   Posted 01/10/2011 at 20:40:04

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I can recount Clive Thomas, Graham Poll, Clattenburg and now Atkinson. Every man jack of them a cheat when making decisons about us v the RS.

So here is a genuine question. Can anyone ever remember a similar twisted decision go against us in a derby?

I can't. I can remember them getting two men sent off - I think it was April 1997 but one of those was Gerard for fighting. But I can't recall a pen or a red card or disallowed goal, where we got the decision and it wasn't fair.

For example, last year v Arsenal away, our goal was deffo offside. (But we still lost). So there, sometimes we get the odd bad decision in our favour. But the RS have never had a bad decision go against them when they play us, and we have had loads.

So please, tell me, when did we last get the rub of a corrupt ref?
Guy Hastings
59   Posted 01/10/2011 at 20:44:36

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AsI said to my lad, as a spectator I'd have been pissed off if that card had been given to Lucas, say, on Saha. It destroyed the balance of the game. All refs should justify their card decisions to the crowd - it works in NFL. Why not in the PL?
Nick Waters
60   Posted 01/10/2011 at 20:41:34

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If this was a Man U, RS or Chelsea sending off then a whole load of their ex-players would be all over the media asking the question, 'Is this the worst refereeing decision of the premier league era?' and it would then be discussed seriously on Radio 5 and SP News,
In fact I can't remember a worse refereeing decision in a top game. Have we not got these people ready to speak out and shift the discussion from whether or not it was a red card to whether or not Atkinson should follow D'Urso into a life as a championship ref? Where the f*** is this pressure?
Chris Butler
61   Posted 01/10/2011 at 21:10:35

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Lets be honest here ? it was a stupid decision and he's is just yet another in a long line of corrupt refs.

There's a difference between him and some of the useless refs. I thought he shoul've given Drenthe a penalty as it was a blatant foul. One bad decision fair enough but he didn't give us made decisions.

In what other job could you make numeorus mistakes and still get kept in the job? If your a waiter and continue to drop orders then you will get fired; why the FA doesn't operate on a similar logic I don't know. Why didn't he evaluate the decison before sending him off, not even Liverpool fans complained at the time.

Referees are simply never punished for their mistakes. Howard Webb was the moron who booked Neville for a a silly tackle.
Steve Pugh
62   Posted 01/10/2011 at 21:41:43

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Interesting stat on Sky website:

"It was the 20th dismissal in 39 Premier League meetings, 13 of which have been Everton players with eight of those coming in the last 10 games at Goodison."

8 Blues sent of in 10 games, we must be really dirty.
Chris Leyland
63   Posted 01/10/2011 at 21:51:53

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I've been racking mty brain to think of a decision which has gone in our favour against the shite since I started watching in 1977. I honestly can't think of one.

I can think of Clive Thomas FA Cup semi. I can think of Alan Robinson Milk Cup Final Hansen handball. I can think of a stonewall pen when Pat Nevin was fouled at Anfield in the game before the 4 all reply in the Cup. I can think of Poll disallowing Hutchinson's goal.I can think of the Clattenburg Derby. I can think of today. The best I can come up with was that there was suspicion of offside when Gary Lineker scored our second goal at Anfield iin 1986.
Mike Green
64   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:01:57

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Andy Crook - Dalglish was a great player. He's also managed well. I think he's been pretty decent to us. So why don't you fuck off and think about something relevant to say? Fucking dick.
Chris Leyland
65   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:27:59

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Mike Green 63 - you aren't the Mike Green of Radio 5 are you?
Ian McDowell
66   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:31:32

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Chris I think its Alan Green on 5live.
James Brand
67   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:29:29

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An experienced referee would have booked rodders (If he felt it was THAT bad) and said "look lads, we're 20+ minutes in, you've had a hack at each other, now let's concentrate on what we are here for and get on with the footy...I will get my cards out from now on"

Going to make myself an enemy here but my initial reaction (from TV) was that it was a bad tackle...he won the ball, no doubt but it LOOKED like he'd followed thru with the left boot ( but he hadnt and in hindsight, it was a perfectly legitimate tackle) butbi knew there was a card on the way...
David Hallwood
68   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:34:23

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Chris Matheson#58 Even Saha's goal v Arsenal wasn't offside. The laws clearly state that you are only offside when you receive the pass from a team mate, Saha was 15 yards offside but the pass intended for him was deflected into his pass by an Arsenal player, so he was onside.

But I do agree that over the years I cannot recall a controversial decision going in our favour, off the top of my head I can think of 8 that went against us.
James Brand
69   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:34:34

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I've got no issues with the pen either...ok he's gone down easy and he is a simulator but we knew that before the game and jags should not be putting tackles in like that...

I actually thought we were good value for a win today and even after going one down I thought we were still on for the draw. They were/are poor but let's be honest, our defending was awful for the goals and we rode our luck a bit before half time.

I think we will move on quickly from this lads as much as it hurts now. We were robbed but if it was 11-11 our defending was still bad for both goals...
James Brand
70   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:46:06

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David #67

(everyone gonna think im a ref or work for FA).

The rule is that it has to be a deliberate back pass from opposition for the striker who is in an offside position to be declared onside. Deflections don't count... sorry
James Brand
71   Posted 01/10/2011 at 22:55:27

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Wasn't Yakubu technically offside for Arteta's goal last season? (blocking Reina) ? just one contentious decision that went our way... Or didn't Kyriakos get sent off at their place two seasons ago on the big fella and I was there and thought Felli jumped in with two feet also... both could/should have gone...

Okay, I'm going to shut up now before everyone thinks I'm a dirty red! Blue blood honest! Check the surname...
Nick Millington
72   Posted 01/10/2011 at 23:35:50

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Does anyone know a website where I can go on and vent my fury at the FA or Referees Association? Atkinson should be made to stand in the centre circle at half time in the next home match and apologise. Cheat!!!!!!!!!!
David Hallwood
73   Posted 01/10/2011 at 23:49:49

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James #69 Law 11 states that a player is only offside when he receives a ball that has been touched by a team mate, Saha was on side
Nick Entwistle
74   Posted 01/10/2011 at 23:54:54

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The Saha goal? Why has this come up?

Wasn't it a through-ball from a blue which clipped a defender? Surely its off side if the ball reaches its target as desired... but rules and what is right don't equal the same thing sometimes.

David Mathieson
75   Posted 02/10/2011 at 00:23:04

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"Or didn't Kyriakos get sent off at their place two seasons ago on the big fella and I was there and thought Felli jumped in with two feet also... "

That has too be the stupidest thing an Evertonian has ever said ever.
Andy Crooks
76   Posted 02/10/2011 at 01:18:43

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Sorry Mike Green, you are spot on. Kenny Dalglish is a credit to football. He is charming, respectful and if we had to lose, well, let it be to a man who has been decent to us. I feel much better now.
John Keating
77   Posted 02/10/2011 at 03:57:58

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Dalgleish - a total prick !!
After the game he has no comment on the sending off - never saw it actually.
Another Wenger.
Total unhonest prick !!
Ed Fitzgerald
78   Posted 02/10/2011 at 08:08:46

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Andy

I would not worry too much about your rant about Dalglish yes he was a great player but he has spent most of the season moaning about decisions the RS arent getting. He seemed to suffer from some selective blindness disorder yesterday The more you watch the tackle the worse the decision becomes, isnt it Suarez who actually arrives late into the tackle?
Chris Leyland
79   Posted 02/10/2011 at 09:26:33

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Suarez cheated yesterday to get Rodwell sent off. The world knows he is a cheat after his world cup goal one save to deny Ghana. The ref was completely suckered in. He didn't even think about it as he has his hand in his pocket for the red card within 1 second of the incident. so what should happen?

Rodwells card should be rescinded.

Suarez should get the 3 game ban transferred to him for cheating.

The ref should be sacked.

What will happen... Absolutely fuck all
Ryan Rosenberg
80   Posted 02/10/2011 at 09:47:30

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I thought Atkinson looked wasted as a central midfielder, Liverpool should start him striker next game.
John Crawley
81   Posted 02/10/2011 at 10:11:54

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Lets not forget the penalty decision which he didn't give for us when Kelly clearly took Drenthe;s feet. It may have only been with a couple of minutes to go but it was a clear penalty.
David Mathieson
82   Posted 02/10/2011 at 11:23:13

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John I noticed that the penalty incident it has not even had so much of a mention on MOTD or anywhere else I have read up on the game.

The worst thing about MOTD was they shown the Rodwell tackle then compared it with only Everton tackles from the game so biased the media it is untrue never mind the powers that be.

How the fuck they get away with that time after time is beyond me... they are made up to win that way as well... the horrible low life inbred norwegian dirty smack ridden bag sniffing ugly murdering slack jawed wonky teeth cunts.

Every kopite I have ever met has been a grade A* knob head.
Peter O'Connor
83   Posted 02/10/2011 at 11:40:07

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Clive Thomas
Jeff winter
Graham Poll
Mark Clattenberg
Martin Atkinson

Just a short list from the top of my head.

What do they have in common?

The have all officiated FOR Liverpool in derby matches that have cost us dearly.
Dave Charles
84   Posted 02/10/2011 at 12:21:35

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Peter O'Connor. You forgot Alan Robinson for 1984 Milk Cup and 1986 FA Cup finals. Two clear penalties not given.
Peter O'Connor
85   Posted 02/10/2011 at 12:30:47

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Thanks for that Dave.

It's more for my list - I don't know why but I had completely forgotten about him, but not the event.

There are also all the goals that Mick Lyons scored and had disallowed in the 1970's - the only one that wasn't disallowed was the own goal against George Wood.

I once asked some redshite mates to name a referee in a derby match that they felt cost them - there aren't any, although they did whinge about not getting a penalty (Tony Hibbert handball) when we battered them 3-0!!
Dave Charles
86   Posted 02/10/2011 at 13:27:41

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Peter. I also remember a Wayne Clark goal being disallowed with the score at 1-1 at Anfield. I think George Courtney was the ref in the case.
Mick Davies
87   Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:15:17

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Matin Parker @50: How can you say that the game was over? Man City were 3-0 down at half-time away at Spurs, and also a man down after a dismissal. They went on to win 4-3.

So should our players have just walked off after Rodwell went? I thought it galvanised our players but Moyes couldn't see the benefit of playing a hungry young striker like Vellios until it was too late. The lad works hard and defends from the front. Saha is 33 and unfit so where's the sense there?

He took off Coleman and left the slow and bungling Hibbert at the mercy of two pacy and tricky wing players. If Neville is not going to play right back any more then he should take the captaincy off him and hand it to someone who is going to be a regular choice.

Yes, we have had some terrible decisions from refs ? like the time Kuyt nearly ended Neville's career and Twattenburg never even blinked ? but this club has to accept that and fight even harder against the opposition, the officials, the FA, LCC and every other fucker who is out to destroy our great club.

COYB ? nobody likes us and we don't care
Alan Noon
88   Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:25:38

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Mick Green ? totally agree with you that Dalglish has managed well, he's spent 100M on an average team but surely his best signing was the freebie Atkinson. I man that can turn a game around in seconds ? great signing for King Kenny.
Nick Millington
89   Posted 02/10/2011 at 17:18:25

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See the FA are launching an investigation into the coin and bottle throwing (which I don't agree with the fans doing), however still no investigation into biassed refereeing.
Mike Keating
90   Posted 02/10/2011 at 17:06:41

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You can always complain to the FA about Atkinson. I think this happened after the Twattenberg fiasco and he hasn't been seen on Merseyside since (see http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2010/10/22/dave-prentice-the-curious-case-of-mark-clattenburg-100252-27522445/).

You can register as a FAN on the FA website (www.thefa.com) and instead of ordering England tickets and dopey merchandise, just go to the Contact page and fill in the feedback box.

Try to keep it polite and don't throw any bottles!
Nick Millington
91   Posted 03/10/2011 at 00:49:15

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Just as I thought: Twatkinson was in charge of Arsenal v Liverpool earlier this season when he gave everything to the kopites. Needs investigating and needs sacking.
Mick Davies
92   Posted 03/10/2011 at 13:57:36

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Atkinson nearly sliced Dyer in half at the Swansea v Soke game. Crouch kicked someone in the stomach and neither of these was a red card. In fact if anyone should have gone in the derby it should have been Adam for his challenge on Osman and Hibbert for a ridiculous lunge on Adam. By the way, is there any truth in reports that Kenwright claimed the 50p coin off Suarez?

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