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38 Comments: There was a little piece I read somewhere recently suggesting that the kopites were taking a closer look at Royston Drenthe, who will be available on a free transfer next season. It brought a lump to my throat and bile to my belly!
I for one think Royston has been somewhat of a revelation since he arrived. Not perfect by any means but clearly talented, brimming with confidence and with the rarest of commodities in an Everton team... pace. I believe he already has something like 2 goals and 4 assists. At only 23 he's definitely got a decent career ahead of him if he keeps working hard.
The sad truth is that, the better he plays, the less likely he is to stay. There is no way we can compete financially with Liverpool or any other of the top 6 teams and it would be a lot to ask of Royston to turn down a bigger wage for the sake of one years loyalty to the club (for most players loyalty is a dead word anyway).
I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes kept him out of the spotlight until January and then tries to get him to sign a pre-contract agreement as soon as possible. Sadly I fear that we may be a quick stepping-stone stop for Drenthe, but I for one am enjoying having his type of ability at Goodison... (Cue him getting a straight red for headbutting within 10 minutes this Saturday!)
Sam Hoare, Posted 29/11/2011 at 09:44:59
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I hate to use the word but it is glaringly apt
DITHERING! why have we not already offered him a deal?! Instead Moyes talks him down and says he has done "okay" and needs to improve his defending! What a load of shit. He has pace to burn and offers something no one else in the squad can.
If we leave it til January he can speak to whoever he likes and will be playing for a better team come next season. Opportunity missed.
DITHERING! why have we not already offered him a deal?! Instead Moyes talks him down and says he has done "okay" and needs to improve his defending! What a load of shit. He has pace to burn and offers something no one else in the squad can.
If we leave it til January he can speak to whoever he likes and will be playing for a better team come next season. Opportunity missed.
Because it's as simple as that - we sign who we want.
So Ernie you're saying we wanted nobody the last couple of seasons?
Nope. I was being sarcastic.
Dithering, of course James... So after what game do you think Moyes should have offered a contract?
I'm not sure, but think players can only sign for a club in an up coming or present transfer window, which means we can't offer him a contract unless it comes with a fee to Madrid.
We are though on as much a trial for him as he is for us, and where we finish will be a big persuader.
Fortunately, other than the Arse our fixture list is decent all the way through to February and we could well be knocking on Europe especially with the 100% guaranteed no questions asked arrival of Landon Donavon and maybe a striker too.
If Moyes gets him on a free, it would be up there with Cahill, Martyn Arteta signings he's made his name with.
I'm not sure, but think players can only sign for a club in an up coming or present transfer window, which means we can't offer him a contract unless it comes with a fee to Madrid.
We are though on as much a trial for him as he is for us, and where we finish will be a big persuader.
Fortunately, other than the Arse our fixture list is decent all the way through to February and we could well be knocking on Europe especially with the 100% guaranteed no questions asked arrival of Landon Donavon and maybe a striker too.
If Moyes gets him on a free, it would be up there with Cahill, Martyn Arteta signings he's made his name with.
There is no chance he will be with us next season. Some club with a little bit of dough will snap him up, even if they think it is a gamble.
Dithering.....give me strength!!!
Dithering.....give me strength!!!
Think i agree with you Tony. Very little Moyes can do about it.
The little piece you saw Sam is linked off the BBC gossip column
http://www.footylatest.com/liverpool-set-to-upset-everton-with-transfer-move/25665
Article is attached below.
Lazy journalism at its best as it suggests he will be available for as little as 2.5 million in the summer. Considering he is out of contract and is a free agent in the summer it shows what garbage this is........bring on the silly season!
Royston Drenthe is a summer transfer target for Liverpool, as they look to swipe the Dutchman from under their rivals noses.
Drenthe is currently on a season long loan at Everton and has featured heavily in their Premier League campaign this term however they can not afford to hang on to the player in the summer and with Real Madrid eager to sell, Liverpool are thought to be interested in taking Drenthe across Stanley Park to Anfield, a move which Drenthe is thought to welcome.
The 24-year-old has been a huge hit amongst the Everton faithful with his determination and match winning performances and has attracted interest from abroad with some pundits in Spain claiming that Drenthe is at Everton to source a move to a bigger club but Drenthe has shrugged off this claim in recent days.
Drenthe could be available for as little as £2.5million, a steal for such a promising player who at the right club will really shine.
http://www.footylatest.com/liverpool-set-to-upset-everton-with-transfer-move/25665
Article is attached below.
Lazy journalism at its best as it suggests he will be available for as little as 2.5 million in the summer. Considering he is out of contract and is a free agent in the summer it shows what garbage this is........bring on the silly season!
Royston Drenthe is a summer transfer target for Liverpool, as they look to swipe the Dutchman from under their rivals noses.
Drenthe is currently on a season long loan at Everton and has featured heavily in their Premier League campaign this term however they can not afford to hang on to the player in the summer and with Real Madrid eager to sell, Liverpool are thought to be interested in taking Drenthe across Stanley Park to Anfield, a move which Drenthe is thought to welcome.
The 24-year-old has been a huge hit amongst the Everton faithful with his determination and match winning performances and has attracted interest from abroad with some pundits in Spain claiming that Drenthe is at Everton to source a move to a bigger club but Drenthe has shrugged off this claim in recent days.
Drenthe could be available for as little as £2.5million, a steal for such a promising player who at the right club will really shine.
In saying that though I agree that there is little Moyes can do if someone does come calling.
This could just be a rumour put to the press by his agent to try and get more clubs interested in him. At the end of the day most of what is in the press re transfers is bollocks.
From Everton perspective, they can of course already start discussions with him to try and get him to sign on 01 Jan. He has already shown enough to suggest that he deserves to be in our squad at the very least (and he is free!). Problem is he (and his agent) obvioulsy know that it is better for them to wait until the summer - when presumably more clubs will be after him.
I hope he appreciates Everton enough to stay but if a CL club comes in we've no chance.
From Everton perspective, they can of course already start discussions with him to try and get him to sign on 01 Jan. He has already shown enough to suggest that he deserves to be in our squad at the very least (and he is free!). Problem is he (and his agent) obvioulsy know that it is better for them to wait until the summer - when presumably more clubs will be after him.
I hope he appreciates Everton enough to stay but if a CL club comes in we've no chance.
Could have sworn that Moyes has already said that we have first option on him as part of the loan deal, but I guess that counts for nothing these days!!
Can't he sign a binding pre contract agreement after 1st January as his parent club is not an English PL club?
Exactly Andrew. Anyone who had seen him play before coming to us would already know we should be thinking permanently with him. Class player.
Drenthe was always a 1 season deal to paper over the ever-widening cracks. He wasn't bought by Real Madrid for nothing.
If he's still here come August, I'll paint my balls royal blue.
If he's still here come August, I'll paint my balls royal blue.
Richard@15 "... I'll paint my balls royal blue".
I think you would need a specialist multi-surface primer first.
I think you would need a specialist multi-surface primer first.
He's a kind of player who will do well for us - but who would get lost at a big 4 team. If he has any sense he'll have a good few years with us and then move. Can he chance it going pear shaped after his Madrid experience? Pienaar Mark II
Richard # 15
You mean you've not already?
You mean you've not already?
Richard careful how you rub 'em down.....fine grade sand or wet n' dry. Don't be tempted to use that sander
"..as they look to swipe the Dutchman from under their rivals noses"
Love this phrase, love the lazy-arse journos
Love how it suggests one team (us) will be physically dozing in a field somewhere, as the other (them) sneaks up and.....DURRR, WHERE'D HE GO?
Fact: If he did go, it would be down to one of two reasons.
1) Moyes doesn't want him, specially with him infecting the others with his fancy-Dan, shifty, non back-tracking foreign skills ( who exactly WAS 'fancy Dan'?).
2) Moyes DOES want him and..can't afford him.
Either way, it would hardly a 'swiping from under our noses' and hardly a Barmby scale crossing of the park.
Love this phrase, love the lazy-arse journos
Love how it suggests one team (us) will be physically dozing in a field somewhere, as the other (them) sneaks up and.....DURRR, WHERE'D HE GO?
Fact: If he did go, it would be down to one of two reasons.
1) Moyes doesn't want him, specially with him infecting the others with his fancy-Dan, shifty, non back-tracking foreign skills ( who exactly WAS 'fancy Dan'?).
2) Moyes DOES want him and..can't afford him.
Either way, it would hardly a 'swiping from under our noses' and hardly a Barmby scale crossing of the park.
Moyes statements and comments about his players are not to be taken seriously these days. As many have said in this column, he has lost the plot.
Persisting with the selection of out-of-form players is inane and has cost us dearly in recent seasons. He has let good players go and somehow resists picking the new guys consistently... Can he not see what he is doing.
Drenthe has real talent and strength which we desperately need in midfield and if they don't treat him right someone else will snap him up in January.
Let's get him back with Velios and also Barkley and keep the deadbeats on the bench for a while.
Persisting with the selection of out-of-form players is inane and has cost us dearly in recent seasons. He has let good players go and somehow resists picking the new guys consistently... Can he not see what he is doing.
Drenthe has real talent and strength which we desperately need in midfield and if they don't treat him right someone else will snap him up in January.
Let's get him back with Velios and also Barkley and keep the deadbeats on the bench for a while.
Toffeeweb ladies, I beg your pardon.
Richard (15) - Assuming your teenage years were similar to every other male in here, they've been that color before.
Richard (15) - Assuming your teenage years were similar to every other male in here, they've been that color before.
If Drenthe won't play back, we might as well keep Bily. Moyes is going about it correctly. To play consistently in the EPL you have be in shape.
Drenthe DOES have that look about him. Lots before him in the game and at EFC had the same (Yakubu). Might consider that Drenthe is in and out because he can't do EPL games back-to-back.
The kid has the goods. Let's see how he wants to approach the game. As many a successful manager/coach has said in some version, "I can't coach effort".
That's on the player.
Drenthe DOES have that look about him. Lots before him in the game and at EFC had the same (Yakubu). Might consider that Drenthe is in and out because he can't do EPL games back-to-back.
The kid has the goods. Let's see how he wants to approach the game. As many a successful manager/coach has said in some version, "I can't coach effort".
That's on the player.
James, doesn't coaching effort pretty much come down to motivating your players? Any manager who can't do that is in the wrong job anyway, whatever level he is at.
"He has let good players go" - Who?
I can't think of any players that he has had on a loan or even a permanant deal that he has allowed to go (don't confuse this with players wanting out or that we can't afford to buy) that I have honestly thought......damn, I wish we could have kept him.
I can't think of any players that he has had on a loan or even a permanant deal that he has allowed to go (don't confuse this with players wanting out or that we can't afford to buy) that I have honestly thought......damn, I wish we could have kept him.
Tony @25. I wish we'd kept Beckford - we've missed his pace up front this year. Especially relevant as DM knocked back a bif for Vic from Leicester earlier in the summer, favouring Vic's far superior scoring record for us... In my opinion, that was a bad mistake, with hindsight, that looks like even worse.
I can't help but think that this is a case of "damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
The club couldn't afford to bring anyone in ? I think that is pretty much universally accepted as not being Moyes's fault.
So he goes out and looks at loan players, and finds a player who has gone on and impressed so far this season. Now everyone is jumping on Moyes back, saying that he is dithering!
What if those contract talks have already started? And what about saying that Drenthe should perhaps show a bit of loyalty if Everton do want to keep him rather than blaming Moyes?
I'd also like to point out that at most clubs a manager will say who he wants and then it is up to the board to thrash out the contract.
The club couldn't afford to bring anyone in ? I think that is pretty much universally accepted as not being Moyes's fault.
So he goes out and looks at loan players, and finds a player who has gone on and impressed so far this season. Now everyone is jumping on Moyes back, saying that he is dithering!
What if those contract talks have already started? And what about saying that Drenthe should perhaps show a bit of loyalty if Everton do want to keep him rather than blaming Moyes?
I'd also like to point out that at most clubs a manager will say who he wants and then it is up to the board to thrash out the contract.
The problem is Steven if you had seen him play before coming to us you would know what a player this guy is. Surely Moyes must have known of his potential.
I doubt any talks have started if moyes is going on the record saying he has to earn a contract! A PR disaster if you ask me as drenthe is clearly capable of playing in a better team. We should be fighting tooth and nail to keep him instead of handing out 5 year deals to the osmans of this world.
I doubt any talks have started if moyes is going on the record saying he has to earn a contract! A PR disaster if you ask me as drenthe is clearly capable of playing in a better team. We should be fighting tooth and nail to keep him instead of handing out 5 year deals to the osmans of this world.
Imagine a team with Coleman and Drenthe out wide with Beckford and Ba in the middle. So nearly could have been true
Tumour is he's on £100k per week ? £50k off us, £50k off Real Madrid. If that's true, we can't afford him (sadly).
Jesus this is a lazy journo looking for a story.
As others have pointed out he is available for free next year not "as little as £2.5 million"
plus, we don't know the terms of his contract. Everton may well have the option to sign him as part of his current contract or he may have the option to leave at the end of the season with no obligation to us. Fact is we don't know.
As others have pointed out he is available for free next year not "as little as £2.5 million"
plus, we don't know the terms of his contract. Everton may well have the option to sign him as part of his current contract or he may have the option to leave at the end of the season with no obligation to us. Fact is we don't know.
Andrew (24) - At the professional level managers have to make players play hard?
No manager/coach at the top level in any sport even considers having to motivate someone being paid to perform.
Speaking in general, I think professsional league managers/coaches are so over-rated that many teams would be better to have no coach and let the players sort out who plays at any given time.
Keep in mind I say that knowing you and I grew up playing team sports without a manager/coach and the most talented team usually won. Right?
No manager there "motivating" either of us.
No manager/coach at the top level in any sport even considers having to motivate someone being paid to perform.
Speaking in general, I think professsional league managers/coaches are so over-rated that many teams would be better to have no coach and let the players sort out who plays at any given time.
Keep in mind I say that knowing you and I grew up playing team sports without a manager/coach and the most talented team usually won. Right?
No manager there "motivating" either of us.
I really despise the industry I am about to go into sometimes... Quite how this gets into newspapers I will never know but, even from the ground level, we are taught to produce better journalism than this.
James
But we did have the mean big kids demanding all the best players played on their team. Sounds a lot like Premiership really
But we did have the mean big kids demanding all the best players played on their team. Sounds a lot like Premiership really
Credit to Moyes getting this guy in when he had no money. Now we have a chance to sign him in January... If we don't , then have a dig at Moyes if you think he should snap him up. Until then, nothing to criticize Moyes for.
Whilst he doesn't appear to be a typical moyes buy (Pienaar too was very weak defensively when he started... indeed, I just couldn't see him getting in our team; eventually, he was outstanding ) I don't mind Moyes saying Drenthe needs to start defending better ? he most certainly does and there is no reason he can't put in the shift Pienaar used to do for us.
Whilst he doesn't appear to be a typical moyes buy (Pienaar too was very weak defensively when he started... indeed, I just couldn't see him getting in our team; eventually, he was outstanding ) I don't mind Moyes saying Drenthe needs to start defending better ? he most certainly does and there is no reason he can't put in the shift Pienaar used to do for us.
Andrew 34) - Ha! Good one.
Ian Tunstead, where are you on this matter?
Not much to say Jimmy, I dont have enough of the facts to make a comment, as others have already pointed out, it's probably lazy journalism. What i will say is that i have heard it all before when Yobo was on loan then Arteta then Pienaar during their loan spells. The papers said the RS were after Baines and that Fellaini was on his way to Italy. It never happend.
I agree with Peter that Moyes was right to try and get Drenthe to track back, Pienaar became twice the player because Moyes made sure he contributed in attack and defence and became a more complete player.
Also reading into Drenthe's past he sounds like he could be a ticking time bomb so I think it is wise for Moyes to 'dither' over his signing, not that I think that is the reason we haven't already signed him. There is probably more to it that I wouldn't like to speculate on.
I agree with Peter that Moyes was right to try and get Drenthe to track back, Pienaar became twice the player because Moyes made sure he contributed in attack and defence and became a more complete player.
Also reading into Drenthe's past he sounds like he could be a ticking time bomb so I think it is wise for Moyes to 'dither' over his signing, not that I think that is the reason we haven't already signed him. There is probably more to it that I wouldn't like to speculate on.
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I just can't see him staying very long. Shame, because he is just what we have waited a long time for.