Every top team in any league around the world has a "Number 10" or what we like to call a playmaker. Tim Cahill has got the "in the hole" job, he has had this role for many a year and, to his credit, has been an excellent servant of our club; however, it's time for a change.
So what's required of a "playmaker"?
I believe the playmaker should be able to dictate play in the final third of the pitch; a player who can find space in behind their holding midfielder; a player who can spot a killer ball and execute it; a player who can shoot from distance and score up to 10 goals per season... sounds difficult right? Well, most playmakers cost a fortune, so let's look to what we have:
Osman ? poor shot, slow, inconsistent and goes missing; however, decent feet and an eye for a pass.
Rodwell ? we've all seen how well he played for England: elegant, decent shot, and can pick a pass; however he goes missing and has injury problems.
Barkley ? I'd like to see the lad play the last 9 games in this role; two good feet, great vision, good strike, unpredictable.
Pienaar ? another one I'd like to see given this chance; last night he was excellent.
Drenthe ? pace, great strike, can beat a man, unpredictable; it would also reduce the demands of tracking back.
I believe we have the players to be creative, but will Moyes ever try any of the above on a regular basis? Or will he resort to putting our best defensive midfielder in the hole and pumping long balls? It's so frustrating, isn't it?
Sean McKenna, Posted 22/03/2012 at 11:36:41
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778 Posted 22/03/2012 at 12:27:28
Why not play another striker ...especially at home.
779 Posted 22/03/2012 at 12:23:02
Osman: Although i like the lad. I just don't understand where he gets this "creative player" tag. He just pops up with the odd goal. For me doens't really do much else.
Rodwell: Certainly not a creative midfielder. Good on the ball yes, strong with the ball yes. Can he pick a pass, can he feck. He'd rather pass it backwards. I see him as a centre half. Rio Ferdinand-esque, but probably better.
Barkley: I know everyone goes on about the lad. How he should be given more of chance and how he should now be playing every game cos he's our saviour. But he's simply not ready. Anyone who has seen him play can see this. Is he going to be a talent? I've absolutely no doubt. The kid is going to be class. But his problem at the moment is naivety. That time spent out with his quadruple, triple double, knee, shin and thigh bone break has done him no favours.
Drenthe: Quick and can shoot with power we've not seen at Goodison since Kanchelskis. But for me that is all he has at the moment. And his attitude and his age (yes I know he's 24, but he's lost a lot of learning the game though his time at Real, by basically being a dick and thinking he's a superstar). I'm not saying he should track back. But he seems to fins the simple things really hard and some of his decision making is awful.
This is where we miss Arteta.
786 Posted 22/03/2012 at 12:46:58
788 Posted 22/03/2012 at 12:58:31
795 Posted 22/03/2012 at 14:07:14
Moyes has promised to play Barkley this season and he has the opportunity to do so as we are pretty safe in the league.
I would definitely try him with decent players with strength around him ie; Fellaini and Gibson.
He can always be subbed if it is not working out.
If a youngster is good enough he should be given a chance and now is the time to bring in some new youngsters as we dont seem to have the money to buy a ready made player who is of top quality.
This is the time to leave out Neville and Cahill and put them on the bench, Im sure they would benefit and prolong their careers if kept for cameo roles.
797 Posted 22/03/2012 at 14:13:23
As for the 2 strikers shout, it is ridiculous! Who will supply them? When we do play with 2 strikers it turns to hoofball because our balance in midfield is shite. The point is Aiden would any of the be more creative than Cahill... that's the real question.
800 Posted 22/03/2012 at 14:24:52
801 Posted 22/03/2012 at 14:13:05
The trouble is, I don't think Moyes would buy this type of player even if he had a £50 million war chest this summer. I think he would still go for a team of runners. He might sign some better quality players who put in a shift also, but I don't think he would ever buy a Berbatov to play as a Number 10, for example, or a Daniel Sturridge to play as an advanced winger, simply because he doesn't trust them.
My own opinion on Cahill is that he still has a lot to offer, but he will have to adapt to a deeper role now. The last year has shown that he cannot get on the end of things in the box like he used to. The same thing happened to Scholes at United, and while Cahill is not as good as Scholes technically, his game has always been about getting into the box, a bit like Scholes was. He can still get stuck in, win headers in midfield, and be a niggly little player in the middle of the park, and also be a threat from set pieces, but his days of getting 10 to 15 goals a season are numbered.
805 Posted 22/03/2012 at 14:48:33
IMO he's the only player with the ability to play a no.10 style role in full that we've got on our books. One thing against him is that young players are consistently inconsistent.
If I were Moyes I'd give him a chance at home and bring Cahill back in for aways. We haven't got much to play for league wise anyway.
Of the others Pienaar doesn't score enough. Osman is out of form at the minute and Cahill can still be effective but if we want him here in a year or two, which I do, he will need to be managed carefully. I don't think he is.
809 Posted 22/03/2012 at 15:22:06
820 Posted 22/03/2012 at 15:26:38
David Dunn, David Hoilett, Andrew Surman, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Victor Moses.
and players that may be heading in the wrong direction come and of the season, Al Habsi, James McArthur, Matthew Jarvis, Sam Ricketts, Peter Odenwingie???, Steven Fletcher
ok probably below what we expect as EFC fans, but our top scorer this season is Anichebe and Drenthe with 4 each for Christ sake...
833 Posted 22/03/2012 at 17:45:55
Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines
Drenthe Barkley Pinnear
The poor defensive work of Drenthe , the naivety of Barkley would be overcome by the Fellaini and Gibson base.
837 Posted 22/03/2012 at 18:29:38
There is no doubt in my mind that Cahill, legend that he is, does not do enough to deserve a place in the team where he is.
There is also no doubt that movement and getting players forward quickly is a huge problem. I believe most players in our team are capable of a good pass but to create that space you need a little movement.
For that reason i would play Pienaar in that role. He is always on the move and finding little pockets of space and has good enough feet and touch to take the ball and move it on quickly.
But any playmaker will only be able to function with people making appropriate runs around him. Play David Silva in our team at the moment and he would struggle to pick up assists. Except on set pieces maybe.
838 Posted 22/03/2012 at 18:43:42
Pienaar plays the central role for his national side and does a reasonble job there but that leaves a gap in front of Baines which hasn't been filled since he left for Spurs
840 Posted 22/03/2012 at 18:53:42
I've seen Vellios for the reserves a few times and IMO he doesn't work quite hard enough. Should maybe have place on the bench but Denis has done enough to get it before him.
As for Pienaar, I quite liked Coleman playing in front of Baines vs Spurs and swapping wings with Drenthe. Anything that encourages movement!!
842 Posted 22/03/2012 at 18:53:18
He was dropped because he gave the ball away in deep midfield positions as he's prone to do but it wouldn't matter on the edge of the opposition box. The advantages would outweigh the disadvantages.
Moyes is clinging to the glory years but Timmy can't do it anymore and hasn't for the last 12 months or so.
Both Moyes and Cahill need to move on at the end of the season.
843 Posted 22/03/2012 at 19:09:31
I saw Barkley ambling back against Liverpool when they had the ball but when he got the ball he left them for dead. That would drive Moyes mad!
844 Posted 22/03/2012 at 19:06:46
845 Posted 22/03/2012 at 19:23:21
846 Posted 22/03/2012 at 19:28:08
848 Posted 22/03/2012 at 19:36:07
The fact that you don't mention him in this respect says it all to me....
Good players can play anywhere on the pitch; it's as simple as that. We haven't got enough (if at all any) in this mould I'm afraid.
City's squad cost £400m and ours probably cost 10% of that, which also speaks a thousand words.
Fuck it - it's Friday tomorrow....
850 Posted 22/03/2012 at 20:00:35
855 Posted 22/03/2012 at 20:26:24
So inevitably age and mileage has caught up with him but for me he will always be an Everton legend up there with Dunc, Andy Gray, Reidy et al.
It's easy to snipe given his poor form this year but I've never seen him give less than 100% and for that and all the great moments, the corner flags punched across the country, I will never get on his case. He is our football club personified.
856 Posted 22/03/2012 at 20:22:58
Pienaar has class as well as speed and strength and should form our nucleus with Fellaini and, from what I've seen of him, the steady Mr Gibson.
Love Timmy too, but he can't be our future. He might still be able to play up to support Jelavic, as could Osman or Rodwell. Barclay? I've only seen all his games at Goodison so I don't know.
We need the strongest squad we can get, but I think we already have better quality than we are using in the most productive way.
858 Posted 22/03/2012 at 20:41:06
859 Posted 22/03/2012 at 20:42:35
860 Posted 22/03/2012 at 20:42:03
t?? a total none arguement.
We will never know until A or B or C is played there. In fact until the Moyes cautious ethos is removed from the Squad, that style of play will never even be attempted so putting up this name and that name is moot
Moyes is the problem ( yes I know all the justifications aka excuses, steadied the ship, be careful what you wish for, players sold out from under, no money blah fuckin blah ) his good points have got us where we are, his bad points stop us from getting the full worth out of the squad we have.
Nothing will change to any great extent while Moyes is here. And he is here until He or Bill decide different.
863 Posted 22/03/2012 at 20:57:22
? Rio Ferdinand stated Barkley is one of the best talents he has seen.
? Tim Cahill stated Ross is the best prospect he has ever seen.
? Two Man of the Match awards in his first two Premier League games.
? England Under-19 Man of the Match.
I'm sick to the teeth of bleeding youngsters... if they are good enough they are old enough. Look at Wilshere... if Moyes had him, would he get half the games he gets at Arsenal? Would he hell.
It's a myth that young players get a chance at Everton... it took months of fans chanting for Coleman to get played ? fact!! Let the lad loose, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain. if he plays shite, fair enough; let him have 10 games see how he goes.
We know one thing for sure: that Cahill is getting past his best. I think Tim should be given a super-sub coaching role at the club.
884 Posted 23/03/2012 at 01:09:15
The exact same thing has been said about Coleman (after 1 game), Velios (after 1 game), Strac (after 1 game), Rodwell, Drenthe, Gueye, Jelavic.
885 Posted 23/03/2012 at 01:00:19
Jesus Christ, there are so-called Everton fans on here spouting Moyes rhetoric with aplomb. Where have your brains gone? It is illogical in the extreme to state that a creative player is too naive to play when he is an England U-21 international, and has received multiple glowing reports from people within the professional game.
And Vellios is said to be not trying hard enough? I'm not fucking surprised! He couldnt make the bench when he was our top scorer? Playing for the reserves is shit once you've tasted first team matches.
Moyes's love-in with his old favourites actually makes me feel sick. Phil Neville's brown-nosing is abhorrent. Worst of all, I now look out for blackburn's results because I want Yak to rub his sale in Gollum's face. Boring, boring Everton.
910 Posted 23/03/2012 at 06:58:56
943 Posted 23/03/2012 at 10:38:37
I still don't understand why are we still talking about the diamond formation of attacking midfielder or the midfield general/playmaker combination.
Tactics in midfield has evolved for the past few seasons. Who we really need Right Now is someone who can dictate the passage of play in central midfield not a playmaker who provides the killer through pass to the forwards.
And we have moved on with this new formation like what Chris has rightly pointed out.
It's just a matter of who is going to take the mantle and provide that sort of control in a four-man or a 5-man midfield.
Arteta and Xavi Alonso started out as playmakers, but eventually they took over new responsibilities in midfield, Essien was supposedly provide support to Lampard,but over the years he too has moved in to the new role, We have Fellaini, but we might have someone in our ranks to partner him. If not, we can always revert back with an Anchorman.
953 Posted 23/03/2012 at 12:00:50
This season is a disaster in that area with only 28 in 29 games.
How many Prem.goals have messrs.Osman,Fellaini Drenthe,Coleman and dare we say Cahill scored between them this season?
Even with available funds over his tenure Moyes has not bought the right players and we continue to struggle even at Goodison against lower teams.
Is this success BK?
After tomorrow and Tuesday what next,a knighthood?
052 Posted 23/03/2012 at 22:29:48
057 Posted 23/03/2012 at 23:03:40
The question was who should be the regular starter behind Jelavić. Why you would put Pienaar there instead of on the left, where he is part of a strong and formidable partnership with Baines, baffles me.
The Straq, for all his limitations, can actually hold up the ball and find a pass when one does not look possible. When played in this role he actually plays to his strengths which I believe makes us a better team.
112 Posted 24/03/2012 at 09:43:47
For me, to play in that 'number 10' role, you need quick feet, vision/awareness/ability to pick an incisive pass and to know where the goal is.
I'd be willing to try any of Pienaar, Osman or Barkley in the roll but would favour either of the latter two.
Timmy has been a great servant and has a lot more awareness than some people give him credit for (that ball into Drethe for the goal that never was against the Arse was quality), but I think it's time to try something different.
119 Posted 24/03/2012 at 10:26:12
He's burst his lungs for the side and got at least three standing ovations.. Then the man manager has replaced him.
Forget the number 10.. We play the long ball game anyway. Bang it up to Straq and Jel like the good old days, Osman, Drenthe, Cahill etc will get plenty from the insuing chaos in the opponent's box.
347 Posted 24/03/2012 at 21:27:30
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