If we can't beat what surely must be the worst Liverpool team of the last 20 years then really we're never going to beat these guys in any meaningful match under Moyes.
I love what DM has done for the club in terms of stability and bringing on the team, but we really have to question now if he has the required mentality to be a winner. That game was totally ours to win today, after half-time we should have come out all guns blazing and attempted to put their keeper under as much pressure as possible (he flapped at virtually every cross delivered), yet we only got in like 4 in the entire match!
Instead, we seemed to revert to defence-first and then, when they got an equaliser, through an absolutely terrible error by the much backed (on this site) Distin, we had no Plan B at all from an attacking sense (which is what is required to score goals). They brought on Bellamy (who I believe is their best forward by a fucking mile) who changed up the game for them and got a shit back-header off the troublesome but previously poor Carroll on the 87th minute. I almost left the pub at that point as I knew we wouldn't be able to respond.
I don't blame Moyes for everything, I think the referee made a number of terrible calls (why the second half-fuck up in the Liverpool defence resulted in a free kick I'm not clear, why were Coleman and Jelavic yellow carded for nothing, yet that animal Suarez (and I don't use that language lightly, this guy should be on a fucking leash) got away with a full on rugby tackle and constant niggling fouls I don't understand.
Also a number of blues let themselves down today (although not Felliani, Neville or Gibson who all fought for the cause). Baines was average (although there were 2-3 players on the opposition flank effectively neutralising him). I really don't understand what Cahill is doing on the pitch anymore apart from making space for Jelavic potentially. Osman was below par (as he often is in the bigger games, let's be fair) and Gueye worked his socks off without achieving too much.
Ultimately though, Moyes had the chance to set us up to win in the second half and for me that meant scoring at least one more goal and pushing them back rather than sitting back and defending. It appears he learnt nothing from the Chelsea final where we were progressively overrun by playing containment football (albeit by a far better team) and I have to blame him for this defeat. If he thought Coleman was a different option he should have started the second half (not that he did much of any consequence); Drenthe should have been on the bench (WTF happened there, really?) and for my money he should have put on Stracq ahead of Cahill as soon as the equaliser went in. At least then we'd have an outlet for the long balls and someone else to keep Liverpool defenders busy.
As it is, we're out and I'm angrier than I can ever recall being as an Everton fan and my hatred for Liverpool has reached another level, they just don't deserve it. I will be cheering wholeheartedly for whichever London club makes the final and hoping that now Kenwright will finally throw in the fucking towel and realise that we need a change if this club is to push on and achieve anything.
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107 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:01:55
To make matters worse the stats for this season are Moyes 0 Dalgliesh 3. When was the last time we lost to them 3 times in the same season? If Moyes is handed another contract, that just about sums up our ambitions. He ain't going to Spurs et al.
Thousands of Evertonians have paid hundreds for this trip, to be let down again. Gav Ram was right, go 1 up then sit back and lose.
108 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:05:16
Half time came and Moyes... fuck knows, Dalglish regrouped and galvanized his players. Coming out of the shit to smell like roses again.
Will we finish above them? Probably not. We're a team of lost opportunities who have good enough league placings. Fuck fuck fuck... total gay second half.
109 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:02:01
When we are "underdogs" and not expected to do anything we turn it on but too many times struggle in the games where we have a great chance to win.
I for one was not that confident ahead of today because of our failings in the big matches and am not at all surprised we lost, despite being in front!
It saddens me lots because we have got a side to compete and beat the best in England ? we just only seem to do it when there is nothing riding on the match.
110 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:06:11
116 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:13:31
121 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:10:02
By the way, Suarez shouldn't have been on the pitch to score given his rugby tackle on Heitinga. Coleman should have been off too but by then we should have been playing against ten men.
125 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:10:12
This game was supposed to be the making of David Moyes. Tactically inept and no plan B.
At 1-1 where was the fight, where was the bold substitutions? The man is a loser and I take my hat off to Dalglish for getting his out-of-sorts team up for it.
As for Moyes, 10 years is long enough and we need change.
130 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:22:51
Today I feel lower than I have ever felt after a defeat, even like giving up on passionate support for the Blues and just backing off from football and Everton in general. I know the feeling will pass with time but this is exceptionally hard to take.
134 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:26:46
141 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:33:35
One-nil up... have to kill the game but we bottled it! Why oh why did Coleman foul Gerrard who was running away from goal! Gutted is not the word!
Get Barkley in the team, give Baxter a go and get Vellios back in for the remainder and see if we can build on this good second half of the season! All is not lost but my god it feels like it!
142 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:36:30
143 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:32:37
Guess what? That's not coming either. Not soon, anyway.
157 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:40:09
That's the first time I've raised a smile in the last 2 hours anyway, so thanks for that Toffeeweb! ;-)
Ah well, the initial vitriol and pain is now receding into the more familiar mix of melancholy and disinterest.
159 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:40:56
They started better (probably because they have more players who are used to big games than us) but we got on top and once we scored should have won.
Why did we give them the initiative? Why did we sit so deep? Where did the impetus go?
It's not because of the players. We have a good team who are on form and should play with confidence. So why did it all go so wrong at half time?
I'll leave it to all to draw their own conclusions...
What's the answer - I don't know.. but if we want to win anything (not just survive!) something has to change.
162 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:51:26
Why try and defend for 45 minutes, why not go for them, we have to have a change as my blood pressure cannot take this shambles for much longer
163 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:51:24
Had a thoroughly enjoyable first hour and then the familiar period of mutual support and commiseration before I headed home.
170 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:43:53
176 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:01:12
177 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:56:18
Fire Moyes, show you have balls.
180 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:02:50
Because Moyes is going nowhere..............unfortunately
191 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:06:37
I could understand why we did shit first half of the season, but not know.
Drenthe is a absolute must to sign.
We have all to win in signing him.
Plus he does not cost transfer fees.
It was obvious today that we needed Drenthe.
Also for a manager Moyes has no clue whatsoever, leave out your most creative player this season.in a semi final.
Even Walter Smith would have known better.
3 losses against Liverpool in one season.
That to me is a reason to get sacked.
Kenwright needs to face it, we are heading nowhere with Moyes.
192 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:08:27
196 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:58:07
The fear factor of the 70's and 80's is back.
198 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:18:39
This is the worst Liverpool side for years and they've done the treble over us; sooner or later, the captain of the ship has gotta take the blame. Their third-choice goalkeeper and did we test him? And then the nail in the coffin ? a goal from Carroll of all people.
I know there's no money at Goodison but if that's your only excuse then Moyes will get off scott free for life. It's time to take a punt, otherwise we're doomed for life. Kenwright ain't going anywhere and Moyes ain't good enough to take Everton any further.
WE'RE ON THE MARCH WITH MOYSEY'S ARMY? ? not anymore, we're not ? unless you're happy being the perennial losers. If this club doesn't change soon... were doomed!
Well, I've gotta go cos I'm getting messages from Reds from all angles and I ain't got no answers....
201 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:17:04
No risk, no reward. Moyes will simply never take a risk and the worst thing happened by us going in front. Just as it did in Moyes's last biggest game (the Chelsea final) we sat back and got what we deserved: nothing.
Another disappointing season now already over. Even finishing above the shite is no consolation to losing to them 3 fucking times.
202 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:21:19
The one player who could do something from the bench wasn't even on it. Yes Moyes's obviously doesn't like him but he should have been on the bench.
208 Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:09:19
He is an excellent "survival" manager ? the same as Sam Allardyce, Pardew ? but he will not win anything. His supporters will point to the huge gulf in spending power (which is true), but haven't Portsmouth won it before?
There was just too much negativity from Everton going into this game (Moyes : "Liverpool are the favourites", Round: "Liverpool have a fantastic team"). I didn't see any of the rallying calls from Everton's side. I expected Neville to come out and say "We want to win it for David Moyes on his 10th year", etc.
Everton have lost the winning mentality ? and the negativity permeates from top to bottom. Changes are needed otherwise I see us slipping into obscurity.
I feel for all fellow Blues, I really do.
214 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:35:11
Might we stop this now, please. The only deludes are ourselves. I would love, LOVE, my son to see us win a trophy...but let's face it even a one off victory over the shite is beyond us.
Let's get back to watching DVD's of the Bayern Munich game eh... well it was only 27 years ago. Deluded... fucking right we are.
220 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:42:49
221 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:46:16
I've been trying to put my finger on it, and the answer to why this one stings the most is because we should taken that shower to the cleaners, we had the tools, and I let myself believe (for once), shame the players and management didn't :(
225 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:46:08
238 Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:50:27
My heart goes out to Everton fans heading back to Merseyside; don't worry ? Moyes will get us up to beat Wigan et al.
249 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:17:26
257 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:22:59
Apart from anything else, how can he speak of "all" neutral fans?
Then I read on......this was because "Everton are a team moving forward on a small budget".
Reminding people yet again that he is a "miracle worker".
Sod off, you twat.
259 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:25:51
We never learn.
I never learn. Yet again I got caught up with the euphoria and the "bring it on" calls from fellow Blues.
I feel sick today.
When they equalised, you just knew that we'd blown it. Again.
Moyes started with the team we expected. I don't particularly blame him today. He does need to preach to his players to keep the ball though.
Why do we always seem like rabbits in headlights against the redshite though? We're above them in the league. We should have shown more character and belief as we did in the Sunderland game.
Ultimately, the worst red shite team that I can remember has won one trophy and is in the final of another.
262 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:32:38
Did our players, manager believe like our fans did? I'm not so sure... It didn't look it
270 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:41:19
1-0 up at half-time and he should have been saying "these are here for the taking today, boys, let's go at them for the first 15 minutes of the second half and finish this." But instead it was "Okay, boys, let's sit back defend deep, give them the ball back constantly let their racist run at us."
Yes, Moyes can't legislate for Distin's idocy but he could have and should have started the second half differently. He didn't because he is a loser.
281 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:55:38
284 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:36:37
We were crying out for a player to run at their defence today, someone of his nature and yet again he is unavailable....im sorry but if thats what he thinks of the club and its supporters and his team-mates then i dont want him at all..... and trust me he was needed.......granted we dont know why but as i say unless its life or death then whats his excuse???think he let Everton football club down an as much as we need a player of his quality if hes not prepared to fight for the shirt then see ya later Royston.....
287 Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:55:49
THE FINAL STRAW!!!!!!!
293 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:03:08
298 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:09:30
There was no sign of him afterwards. Of course.
Moyes's tactics today were awful, trying to defend a one goal lead, defending too deep, leaving Jelly isolated. I agree he lost the game psychologically beforehand.
Today was his failure and I kust dont understand why we can play so well the last three games then revert to this dross against our biggest rivals.
But the real issue remains Kenwright who has set a yardstick of failure at every level of our club. The only criteria that matters to him is that he remains Chairman. Everton need an massive overhaul and it must start with Kenwright shipping out.
306 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:21:52
312 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:30:18
So that's also a No from me.
How do I get on BGT?
313 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:32:47
314 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:40:14
321 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:41:23
322 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:44:46
326 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:51:43
331 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:57:46
Its a winning mentality..
They knew they would win.
We hoped we could.
334 Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:49:39
368 Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:25:38
I didn't get involved in all the Hullabaloo leading up to the game, eg, "Caroll is a Donkey", "We will win 4-0", etc etc because I knew what would happen. It always does. Moyes can't win when it counts... he never has done at Everton.
Chelsea 2009 Wembley thought we had seen the back of Osman but no, he still gets 90 mins... Doing What FFS??? Moyes, as I have said for years, is a terminal loser with no arse whatsoever. I used to get slaughtered for calling DM a coward... now, it's his first name on here.
The only place for me now is bed and its only 7:30pm... I can't take it. I can't dust myself down again. My club is betraying me and all of you with this Gobshite in charge.
Absolutely devastated tonight.
374 Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:36:33
Jeez how sorry am I, what did they put in the half time drink, on of the most miserable 45 mins I've ever spent in a pub
385 Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:58:22
387 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:02:57
388 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:00:58
394 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:00:58
395 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:10:09
396 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:00:58
398 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:17:05
You are surely taking the piss ?
399 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:19:48
400 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:21:05
410 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:34:16
I got arested in Newton le Willows for singing Everton are magic at 1am after seeing Varadi and Eastoe knock them out the cup.
Tonight as I prepared the home made pizza for my wife and kids my missus, who is from Croyden and has known me for 18 years, asked me "whats the matter??" WTF??????
im absolutely f#cking gutted!
I love my wife and kids.
But i wish i was on my own tongiht so i could get f#cking rat-arsed and feel sorry for myself.
we are cursed.
right now I dont feel we will ever see another imre varadi moment.
411 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:20:26
413 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:27:53
YOU FUCKED UP AGAIN, MOYES.
422 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:46:09
423 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:06:27
It was obvious after 10 minutes that we were never going to win the game. We are psychologically in awe of Liverpool. We had no belief. Our passing game and attacking intentions were non existent. The space we gave their midfield was shocking. It was like Gerrard had hypnotized them. Even when Liverpool gave us a blunder goal we couldn't step it up. As usual we sat back and let them build up a momentum that would never allow us back into the game.
The final scoreline should have been much more decisive for them. Cardiff City gave them a much more competitive match.
IMO only Jelavic put in the effort. I expect him to be dropped by Moyes at some point next season, be sold and then flourish at his new club.
I've always said Distin is accident prone. Why not just kick the ball out of play rather than lay it on a plate for Saurez? Saurez destroyed him today.
Moyes has already destroyed our box of tricks Drenthe. I'm sure Drenthe will not hang around with this idiot for much longer.
Also Pienaar must be mad considering returning to a club that's just sold him. This is luck that Moyes doesn't deserve.
Over the next few days we will hear every excuse imaginable for this unforgiveable performance, all of them will be delusional crap.
429 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:53:58
433 Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:39:45
Sorry, I'm 55 years of age, but that's the last time I saw passion from all the players.
459 Posted 14/04/2012 at 21:08:27
All I keep thinking of is the soundtrack to the film Magnolia....Tom Cruise and all that....
Aimee Mann sings a song " it ain't gonna stop till you wise up" Finally turns into "it ain't gonna stop so just give up "
Well that's it for me...we may as well be in the Norther Prem or whatever the fuck they call it now
WE WILL NEVER GET ONE OVER THEM get fucking used to it !!
491 Posted 14/04/2012 at 21:31:02
I was not fortunate to be at the game so sat down with a great deal of optimism to see my beloved Everton beat the Kopites to reach the Cup Final. But before the game I felt a nervous disposition and couldn't shake it off even when Jelavic scored.
Then the inevitable happened and they're back in the game. Then the final blow in the last few minutes and mine (and all Evertonians) worst nightmare has come true.
I have had time to think on my emotions after today's game and have read a great deal of the comments on here tonight. My hurt can't be as bad as those of you who have been at the game. Your support was brilliant as always and a credit to the Club. I'm also taken by the criticism of David Moyes: I agree he got it badly wrong today. Sure, he can't be blamed for Distin's horrendous backpass or Coleman's reckless challenge (although I feared he was going to see red). You can't blame Moyes for some ridiculous refereeing decisions (the bookings, the free kick awarded on the edge of Liverpool's box for no reason just prior to the equaliser) or for Suarez's disgraceful and downright cheating.
Having said that we were too negative, we lacked ideas in the second half particularly, left Jelavic all on his own and bringing on Victor Anichebe was too little, too late.
I was in the Moyes camp, but after today events and reading the comments from you Evertonians (and you get to watch the Blues more than I do so have a more informed view than I do), I am starting to question whether it's time for a change. But then who? Phil Neville is not the answer I'm sure. Billic? maybe. I don;t know.
We all love this great club and as fans I believe we deserve better. It hurts us all to suffer defeat by them at any time but this one is particularly devastating especially as we were being tipped to win it and at the same listening to those blinkered Kopites on how we would be rabbits in the headlights, listening to that idiot Phil Thompson on Sky Sports last week dismiss Everton like we were insignificant, how we would only have to see the red shirts and fold........ yeah right!!! Who's laughing now? That hurts!¬!!!!
The only saving grace for me was that my brother (a Kopite) wasn't with me to watch it: I've got to face his smugness tomorrow though and that will hurt even more.
583 Posted 15/04/2012 at 01:19:18
I am one of those who calls the RS 'deludes' and will continue to do so, no matter what you say. (red on a wind up?)
This mob always say at the start of every fucking season that they'll 'win the Premier League' and are always well wide of the mark,this is why many of us refer to these jokers as the 'deludes'.
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