There's every chance that, if he had not been injured for the last 6 months, a third Everton player would be out at the Euros ? most likely getting tanned on the bench with Jags and Bainesy.
When Jack Rodwell appeared for England in two-mid-season games, he suddenly seemed to show the sort of form that Everton fans thought had deserted their young prodigy. Strong in the tackle, decisive in the pass, quick over the ground and dangerous in the air. This was the Jack Rodwell that we had hoped for but seemed to have clambered back into his shell after some stirring performances (notably against Man Utd) in the 2010-11 season.
The truth is that if Rodwell had stayed fit and had gone to the Euros then there's a very good chance he would be being sold right now to a club in Manchester or London for upwards of £20m. Instead, his dropping value means selling him now would be like shifting a house after a property crash. So my guess is that he will probably still be at Goodison Park next season and maybe, with expectations somewhat lower than they were, he might just find some form.
At only 21, he's very much in the embryonic stage of his career and there's no doubt he has some of the prerequisites. He's quick, strong, decent on the ball and able to shoot and pass off both feet. Of course there's been lots of debate over where he should play but I suspect that, with Fellaini moving into the Cahill role, Rodders may just be able to form a good midfield partnership with Gibson.
With Gibson sitting tighter infront of the back four and initiating moves it may allow Rodwell to roam box to box and develop into the complete midfielder that he once threatened to become. He has time on his side and all the good will of the fans but next season Jack must discover a bit more self confidence and aggression (Derby tackle aside!) and maybe he can surprise us all by nailing down a starting spot in the team and becoming that future England captain we all hoped he might be.
Or maybe he'll continue to pass the ball only sideways and backwards and we'll try and flog him to Spurs for £8m?
Sam Hoare, Posted 21/06/2012 at 16:44:57
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442 Posted 22/06/2012 at 08:15:36
I think with Fellaini moving forward Rodwell and Gibson in the middle are the obvious choice. Although we will probably see Neville or Heitinga there for most of the season! One thing is for sure though, if Rodwell doesn't play more than 20 games this season, then he will be shipped out not to Spurs but to someone lesser and a promising career will be back to the start.
444 Posted 22/06/2012 at 09:08:47
I have to pull you up on one point - that derby tackle was clean and he barely touched Tumbling Ted Suarez who made a 12 course banquet out of it, though the incompetent Martin Atkinson was already reaching for the red card.
It wasn't even a booking - and up to that point Rodwell had been very impressive.
445 Posted 22/06/2012 at 09:01:39
What went wrong?
Personally I do not believe Mr.Moyes handled Rodwell very well.
I note your comment about "goodwill". I am a Season Ticket Holder and I not only do not recognise any goodwill towards Rodwell but hear nothing but moans and groans and in my opinion over the top criticism. In fact I would say he is the main target (along with the magnificent Tim Cahiil - - how short memories we have) of the boo boys.
His development, for many reasons, has not only been delayed but, again in my opinion, hindered by the way he has been handled at Everton.
It seems that all the talk nowadays is about selling him asap.
As someone who works with young people, albeit in arts and cultural activities, I regular criticise the Statutory Bodies of not really understanding the word "development".
As for the final sentence about sideways and backwards - - have a look at the crop of England "stars" playing out in Europe 2012.
I personally hope he recovers fitness (and confidence) and goes on to be a great Everton player.
Good luck to him wherever he plays.
447 Posted 22/06/2012 at 09:25:10
On balance, I still think he is a great prospect. The great unknown is his state of fitness and the effect of the injuries. Time will tell, but the best of luck to the lad.
I still think of that goal against the Manure. And I also think of the sending off against the Dark Side. It seemed to affect him quite badly and I wonder a bit about his temperament. Is he a bit too sensitive? Could the Suarez incident make him a bit "tackle shy" in future and as a consequence less effective?
454 Posted 22/06/2012 at 09:52:32
Countless fans had him down as a Beckenbauer for some reason, he scored a good goal against Utd and that was the last time he took a forward step.
Possibly a Jenas, Tom Huddleston sort - a reasonable player flattering to deceive - if you get to 21 and it ain't happening you have to ask questions.
He lacks the street fighter mentality for me and whether it's coincidence or related - injury prone.
456 Posted 22/06/2012 at 10:21:35
In real life, no matter what everyone says, an injury prone 21 year old is a liability, but, and this is a big but, a lot of people can see something in him and personally, I think maturity might be the telling factor for Jack. He might be one of those players who develops physically well early on, but only really brings all the necessities together later on at 25 or later.
459 Posted 22/06/2012 at 10:40:44
It was magnificent,stirring stuff.
Sarcasm aside, I like Jack. He seems a nice lad and probably will be a decent squad player for us who hasn't cost a penny in transfer fees. All this talk about England captain is,imo, ridiculous.
I hope I am wrong but I just don't get it with Rodwell. I never understood why he is so highly rated.
460 Posted 22/06/2012 at 10:34:31
If he can get over his injuries I'd like to see him go out on loan and get some regular games and see what he can do playing week in week out.
463 Posted 22/06/2012 at 11:39:05
464 Posted 22/06/2012 at 11:42:25
466 Posted 22/06/2012 at 11:10:09
Gets his chances when he is fit and then pulls up injured.
One of his best "defensive" performances last season was away to Man City, the way he played Silva out of the game was brilliant, even on a stupid early yellow card.
More of a defender in my eyes now, one who can get forward if needs be.
469 Posted 22/06/2012 at 11:47:14
478 Posted 22/06/2012 at 12:31:55
My brother refused to sell in 2009 as he wanted a 2007 price (he apparently hadn't noticed that the banks had run out of money and those days were long gone, outside London's Mayfair and Hyde Park areas at least). It wouldn't get a 2009 price now.
It's a tough one, I often think that it's a matter of time - probably short - that Felli goes, and the kid - adult now, I suppose, could become his replacement, or he could be off himself. Difficult to call right now because of those injuries, which may mean Rodwell'll never become what he at times threatened to become.
480 Posted 22/06/2012 at 12:33:17
Though there have been Everton managers who have believed in the kick-up- the-arse whilst injured approach... I wonder what happened to Michael Ball?
481 Posted 22/06/2012 at 12:40:26
I dont agree with Sam's view of his abilities,I think he is a poor tackler,sometimes dwells on the ball then usually passes it sideways and he is definately not dangerous in the air.He will also never make it as a centre back as he cant tackle,head or be brave.
I think being loaned out (I know we need the numbers but in a perfect world) to a club like Blackpool would do him the world of good.He would start every game and not have to worry about defending too much and when he gets his confidence back will start doing what I think he should be doing,travelling with the ball and going past players and attempting more adventurous passes.
483 Posted 22/06/2012 at 12:20:29
No offence to Jack as a player or a person, I just think Everton have higher priorities and have a better player than him to pay that role.
484 Posted 22/06/2012 at 13:06:34
If Rodwell had the belief he would be a superb player. He has shown in flashes just how good he could be. Trouble is, when he turned out for England he looked a better player than he does when he dons our shirt. I think he's a bit too old to be farmed out, he's, what, 21? And a full International? I can't see that being of much use, getting clogged at Blackpool.
But if Henderson can get in the squad you and I could make the bench at least..
486 Posted 22/06/2012 at 13:13:31
487 Posted 22/06/2012 at 13:18:46
(I realised that we were both seeing a lack of confidence as his problem I wasn't looking for an argument !! )
489 Posted 22/06/2012 at 13:24:02
496 Posted 22/06/2012 at 13:48:09
503 Posted 22/06/2012 at 14:12:43
508 Posted 22/06/2012 at 14:37:59
I also think you are
514 Posted 22/06/2012 at 14:59:13
For me he will improve as a player as he matures as a man and gains belief in himself and hopefully a bit of arrogance and aggression, which he will need to play midfield in this league.
If it turns out he's too nice to mix it in midfield he's got every attribute going to play RB(a problem position for us) for us and his country for the next ten years.
It's not just this season injuries have done for him so I'd like to see him with a season under his belt before we do anything hasty. Players that play at every level for the country before age and make a full debut before they are a man aren't ten a penny regardless of what some say.
520 Posted 22/06/2012 at 15:14:04
Rodwell has always looked good in a good team.
He has two good feet,very athletic, good stamina and very rarely loses the ball, OK sometimes that necessitates a sideways or backward pass but it is better than giving the ball away in dangerous areas.
522 Posted 22/06/2012 at 15:12:24
I'm not sure if you were being deliberately ironic in comparing him to Huddlestone and then saying that a manager like Redknapp would get the best out of him? I hope so!
Have to agree with Stephen Kenny. I think he has a lot of the individual attributes to be a very good player but he seems to struggle to put them all together at the same time.
I also think people need to put this centre half idea to bed, if you've ever seen him play in the premier league surely you can see he will never be a top centre half in this league.
528 Posted 22/06/2012 at 15:36:34
545 Posted 22/06/2012 at 16:47:25
Or right back? Yeah. He could read the game from the back, cover the ground (he's not slow), close down, and possibly even tackle when necessary (fb's don't too often). And OK going forward. Right back it is then.
546 Posted 22/06/2012 at 17:25:09
551 Posted 22/06/2012 at 17:48:12
590 Posted 22/06/2012 at 21:53:13
604 Posted 22/06/2012 at 22:58:55
However, he doesn't appear to have the midfield bite, nor is he able to stay injury free. I want him to succeed, I have wished it for ages, however, given both these issues we may need to consider him in aless demanding role like centre back or sell what you can get. Last season was important, this has upped the game, which means coming back fit as a minimum. Really hope he makes it.
651 Posted 23/06/2012 at 03:41:26
Beckham, Scholes and Butt took time to establish themselves too... They were 21 when they won the double in 96, but weren't really established till they were 23 or 24 years old. I often wonder for those of us who are so quick to flog off a player when they are not performing, how many are also the same people who cry "Judas" when a player starts to consider pastures elsewhere?
Rodwell has conducted himself properly. He ain't like Jeffers, who was demanding a transfer infamously at the start of the 2000-01 season when he was already suffering his ankle injuries. Weren't many of us knocking Fellaini when he just joined us, at 21 years old?
Players at 21 yrs aren't supposed to be consistent. Those who are usually peak too soon, get overworked, and then fade away. Rodwell might not be a world beater (how many really are?) but he might be good enough.
And please, all these things about passing sideways... many world class players do that too. Maintaining possession, not losing the ball is important. You don't see Xavi or Ineista making a killer pass every single time, do you? Hoddle and Wilkins were classy players who weren't appreciated by the English game because they did too much passing sideways. Wilkins didn't do too badly at AC Milan too. So, let's give Rodwell a couple of seasons to prove himself.
666 Posted 23/06/2012 at 09:14:13
I honestly wasn't being ironic when I suggested Rodwell might make less sideways passes in a Harry Redknapp team. For me,Spurs played some of the best football in the league last year,and obviously their midfield were central to that. Regardless if whether he pays his tax or not,I like the way Redknapp's sides play football!
In any case,I could have picked half a dozen managers. My point was,how much of Rodwell's safety first passing is down to instructions from the manager and the way he has been coached?
737 Posted 24/06/2012 at 04:53:26
When Gerrard was young, he spent a lot of time injured, spells of form mixed with spells of averageness. He got sent off. As his body got stronger and he matured he turned out to be the player he is today. Now I am not comparing Rodwell in terms of skills or ability, but at his age he has the time to develop and get his fitness right. Once he has that as a stable platform, he hopefully will get some form together and cement a place in the team.
815 Posted 24/06/2012 at 20:11:37
He's strong, quick, 2 footed and a great header of the ball. Add to that he has a better first touch than most and can calmly play a pass to feet.
I don't see passing it sideways as a negative for a mid fielder, it's called maintaining possesion. Watch how often Xavi passes the ball sideways and backwards, it's not always a bad thing. Rodwell mostly passes the ball sideways when it's the best option on, sometimes it's not but that's something he has to learn. I'd rather see him doing that than lumping 40 yard diagonal balls into corners for a lone striker to chase. With the ball at his feet and the room to run there is no one at the club better than him, unfortunatly he rarely gets that room.
816 Posted 24/06/2012 at 20:19:01
Part of the issue was that no one in front of him was available for a pass - static Saha, no pienaar, slow Cahill. He has a quality, but he needs to produce and be effective. He's old enough, and needs a big season. I certainly wouldn't sell yet.
951 Posted 25/06/2012 at 17:22:16
At the end of the day if Fabio Capello thought he was good enough to play for England he must have quality. Is anyone on here a better judge of a player than Capello?
957 Posted 25/06/2012 at 18:06:57
Those flaws mean he won't cut it in midfield, the first means he probably couldn't play off a front man and the second suggests that he would need to sit too deep to be a centre-back.
Not sure that kind of awareness will develop, sadly.
028 Posted 26/06/2012 at 12:22:41
A young player comes through with good technique and a tendency to maintain possession through not trying to force forward passes and he's criticised for it. People then wonder why England don't keep the ball well!
Sideways and backwards passing is often the correct thing to do. Spain do it about 800 times a game and apparently they're brilliant. If an Englishman does it there's something wrong with it.
Not only do we talk absolute nonsense about football in this country on a daily basis, but we do it in an entirely self-contradictory way that nobody seems to notice or pick up on.
052 Posted 26/06/2012 at 16:24:30
It simply isn't true that England don't produce players who are technically competent, it's just that these attributes aren't necessarily what leads to success in the premier league, and so they are often overlooked.
Osman, for example, is a very good technical player but we know all too well that his lack of speed and strength can be a major problem in this league.
In Rodwell's case, I think he has all the attributes individually but seems to struggle to put the whole package together.
057 Posted 26/06/2012 at 16:46:10
Until he shows that I doubt he will amount to much
058 Posted 26/06/2012 at 16:50:53
When the likes of Xavi and Inesta/Pirlo pass sideways it's because an opportunity for a forward pass that will hurt the opposition hasn't presented itself, they always look forward first,
Rodwell doesn't. He has shown a lack of vision quite often. The mistake for me would be any manager trying to use him as a playmaker as he's not that kind of footballer. He's a guy that can use his physique and power to hurt the opposition and if he develops an eye for goal and a more aggressive streak we will have a real box to box player on our hands, we will never have a playmaker though.
062 Posted 26/06/2012 at 17:28:42
He would be better suited trying to be a makelele but I don't think he has the desire that that role requires either at present. Gibson should be groomed as the deep playmaker.
064 Posted 26/06/2012 at 17:29:18
So given that we can keep Pienaar - where would Jack fit in? Fully fit he would obviously be decent cover on the bench. But who would you replace him with in a first 11? Neville, Cahill and Osman - possibly Hibbert. He has his abilities, but can he perform better than any of those?
I still reckon he could be a crackin' right back in a couple of years.
073 Posted 26/06/2012 at 18:38:21
Young men don't often make good holding midfielders, as the position requires a tactical discipline that can be at odds with energy and enthusiasm, and always improves with experience. I also worry about Rodwell's footballing intelligence, particularly as Phil Neville gave an interview in which he chose Jack as the least intelligent member of the squad generally. As a midfielder he fits a German mould that includes the likes of Beckenbauer, Matthaus, Sammer and Effenberg (its no coincidence that at least three of those played as sweepers at various times in their careers) but the very strongest thing about those Germans is their intelligence and ability to read and control a game. I worry about Jack ever being able to do that and so we'll always have to accept limitations from him.
I have also said I think Jack will make an excellent full back, on either side, he has all the attributes needed and experience as a defender in his footballing development and obviously midfield. He reminds me of the more 'all round' Italian full backs like Maldini and Ferrara (as well as Thuram) as opposed to the modern full back who is essentially a second winger. Again, I don't he has the brain to be as good as those guys though.
077 Posted 26/06/2012 at 19:15:00
But Jack at left back? There I take exception. Pip stood in for Baines to hold the fort very well, but most players, including Jack are one footed - right footed. Like a decent pro, he uses his left, in close control, but turns to the right to side-foot to the right with his right foot more often than not. It's one of his limitations.
As a left footer, Baines is better on his right than most of the majority of right-sided players are on their other foot. And that's just one of his qualities. Jack would be horribly exposed down the left.
078 Posted 26/06/2012 at 19:27:25
Whatever happens, Jack will never be as good as Beckenbauer anyway. He was a once in a generation player, a true great of the game.
I think playing Jack at full back would be a waste of his talent. As would playing him as a holding mid fielder. I hate holding mid fielders anyway, a mid field should be fluid and inter changeable. He can be a very good traditional box to box midfielder.
080 Posted 26/06/2012 at 19:32:39
Rodwell and arteta both went through a phase of generally buggering about in a John barnes/red knapp style of playing passes for passes sake.
A lack of movement in front of him (Cahill, Saha) and a lack of mobility from Fellaini exposed Rodwell big style. I think (probably hope) he can cut it in a midfield with gibson, Fellaini in front of him with an intelligent jelavic an pienaar able to receive a pass in a tight spot. To me we need a proper right winger who would have chalk dust on his boot (Donovan) and jack to have confidence to commit the opposition (we have players who can recover whilst he would appear to have the skill/pace/engine to make it tough on the majority of midfielders who are in their twilight.
081 Posted 26/06/2012 at 19:54:38
But our team performances have improved - almost beyond recognition - since he last played for us. So when he starts or comes off the bench, as I'm sure he will, I will be looking carefully at what he does. Off the ball, he will play a good modern game. With the ball at his feet - that's what I'll be interested in.
082 Posted 26/06/2012 at 20:09:43
I like Parker, but Sunday exposed the lack of legs in the middle of England, that saw England drop deeper and deeper, giving the ball away in cheap areas that hurt England.
England should have changed the shape. To me I would have dropped rooney into midfield with Parker and gerrard as a 3, and the played welbeck, chamberlain and Walcott as a three pronged attack forcing Italy back and providing an out ball. Young, and Milner were poor and exposed gerrard and Parker leaving them over runr
The comparison with Heitinga is odd, Heitinga is fine in defence but looks like a fish out of water in midfield. End of.
182 Posted 27/06/2012 at 13:29:59
214 Posted 27/06/2012 at 18:50:13
All this being said though, I'm not saying it should be his main position, just that he will be able to cover in it comfortably if required.
"I do wonder though, did Beckenbauer have the ability and vision to control a game when he was 21?" Brian I'm too young to know from personal experience but my impression is that he kind of did. He was 20 during the 1966 World Cup Finals and England identified him as the German's best player to the extent that Bobby Charlton was detailed to ensure he wasn't able to get a grip on the game.
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