I had thought that funding for redevlopment was no longer available but it turns out I was wrong, as per the second web link... sadly, looking at the latter, the deadline for applications was today and I'd bet everything I have that the club Everton haven't bothered.
Before I get the usual responses saying just another article aimed at slagging off the board... well, yes it bloody well is given this was a pretty obvious avenue to investigate given the board's reluctance to dip its own hands into its pockets and seek a free meal and publicity.
Gavin Ramejkis, Posted 01/07/2011 at 23:41:49
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1 Posted 02/07/2011 at 07:20:17
It's wrong as, even if they had applied and been knocked back, at least it puts the stadium issue back in the headlines. Let's face it, any posible buyers would instantly be put off by the ageing Old Lady.
I imagine most potential buyers of any club know they have to put money into other things and pay off debt but get stars in there eyes by dreaming of the players their money will help to buy.
Everything has gone cold on any stadium move so developing Goodison stage by stage should be given priority, it may even lead to the club looking like a good investment.
No money for players; no money for ground improvements? So I hope this was considered.
2 Posted 02/07/2011 at 08:17:26
I don't see that we would ever find out if the board overlooked this avenue, but I don't hold much faith in them. With their history of mismanagement it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they overlooked such a scheme.
3 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:09:10
As suggested in another thread, much of the stadium problems are as a result of flawed decisions taken in the early 70s (Main Stand) and early 90s (Park End) when Everton was totally controlled by John Moores.
4 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:10:22
When a club can spend millions on players' transfer fees and ridiculous amounts on wages that the rest of us can only dream about, and then go cap in hand asking for public money to help fund the building/renovation of a new stadium, then something is incredibly wrong.
I hope that our much maligned board for whatever reason have stayed far away from even thinking about asking for funding in this way. Football needs to get its own house in order first before it starts asking for money from you and I to help build stadiums.
5 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:22:05
6 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:21:38
Every business has a mission statement. I have worked in the past for some small, medium, large businesses and they all have a mission statement, clearly outlining a visible 5- or 10-year business plan and working towards these goals whilst also updating its employees as to how they are doing and where they are in those timeframes. Just my experience. It may differ for others.
What is Everton's mission statement? We will run the club like a tuck shop??
7 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:23:34
Doddy, Moores resigned from the Everton board in 1977, he was on board when the Main Stand was redone but that was built to meet criteria at that time which hadn't changed much in a few decades. The Park End was done much later whilst other clubs were building with longer term capacity planning in mind and terracing was dead; your beloved BK was on the board then.
8 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:11:24
Successful bidders all have to have demonstrated how much funding they are putting in themselves, how much they've secured from the private sector etc. It's not free money for any old pipedream you happen to have.
So, in terms of securing RDF for redeveloping Goodison, here are the problems you'd run into:
(i) Everton Football Club is broke and can't contribute anything to the development (because it has nothing to sell off to raise funds);
(ii) The private sector isn't going to commit funds because it can't see a way to generate enough profit from the scheme ? our season ticket sales are already mortgaged and the site footprint isn't big enough to put an enabling development like a hotel or shopping centre in there;
(iii) The scheme would fail to provide secured jobs in any significant number in years to come (a handful of extra stewards and some extra programme sellers is not exactly going to slash the dole queues, is it?), again because it has no enabling development tacked onto it.
The RDF would have been perfect for something like Kirkby, and would have helped significantly reduce Everton's own contribution to the scheme. But, for a modest redevelopment of Goodison, I just don't see how you could have gotten a bid through the process.
I'm personally pretty sure that EFC did actually look at this and came to, or were given advice similar to, the conclusions I've outlined above. So, what you're asking is for Everton to waste money assembling a bid anyways, just so they can say "Hey, we're bidding!". And then when the bid fails, what happens? Let me guess... everybody starts writing articles about how inept the board is and they can't even prepare a bid properly.
I'd be amazed if Spurs got their bid through but, if they do, good luck to them ? they have the money to bring the scheme to fruition. We don't. But I tell you what: if the EFC board acted in the same knobby manner as Daniel Levy has around the whole Spurs stadium issue, I wouldn't be too bloody happy! But that's an issue for another day.
9 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:30:13
The stadium issue is a result of successive failures by the board to do anything about it. That fuckwit Kenwright has been on that board since 1984 ? just about the same time we were dominating Europe and should have been improving the ground.
10 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:33:08
Granted, Joe?s Chippy may sell a few extra bags of chips every fortnight and the Queen?s Arms might pull a few extra pints... But are they really trying to say that they are in it regenerate the local community? NO, they want to get their hands on public money to help increase their own revenue so they can pay more of that in inflated wages to players.
It?s as simple as that. Football is a grubby business at the best of times and I stand by my statement that NO public money should be used to support it in this way. If Everton had applied for funding to build a sports centre for their own charity, Everton in the Community, then this would be a different matter.
11 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:35:40
Look at areas that have been redeveloped; they attract other businesses like a magnet creating a microcosm of businesses... maybe worded incorrectly but that's the plan Spurs are hoping for ? a stadium with various surrounding businesses to create a number of varied outlets all in one location.
12 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:49:25
I think that accusing Sir John Moores of being complicate in the Park End decision is besmirching the name of one of the greatest men that our City and our Club has ever seen.
Bill Kenwright was elected to the board of directors on 23rd October 1989
13 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:48:19
Our taxpayer money is still supporting the banking system, it's already back to the old bonus schemes, 2% of the UK's GDP is ringfenced for foreign aid to countries like Somalia (pirate land)', Pakistan (able to develop its own nuclear weapons) and China (fastest growing economy in the world) to the tune of billions of tax payers money. I've had a gutful of morality and being left behind.
14 Posted 02/07/2011 at 09:54:47
15 Posted 02/07/2011 at 10:00:32
16 Posted 02/07/2011 at 11:00:47
An interesting question about the money loaned to the club too, not sure if that was ever answered but can't have been crippling as our debts have only seriously mounted during the Premier League days.
17 Posted 02/07/2011 at 12:23:11
Hospitals being sold off, public workers being made to look like demons for caring about their and their colleagues' future, rich looking after rich.
Private companies always say they are hoping to help the wider community. But it is pure bollocks. They want to turn a profit.
We get told of the need to privatise the whole fucking country, becasue it costs too much money. Then it gets privatised aad it costs the taxpayer the same, but with some rich twat making a profit too and thqt leaves us, the mugs to accept it, paying more.
All for the good of the wider community, of course.
18 Posted 02/07/2011 at 13:10:03
19 Posted 02/07/2011 at 13:48:25
20 Posted 02/07/2011 at 14:03:12
21 Posted 02/07/2011 at 15:26:22
That's the problem with people like you and Bill Kenwright. It's always someone else's fault.
From Kenwright all we've had is fuck-up after fuck-up after fuck-up. If it was not for David Moyes, we could be playing Championship Football.
Kings Dock, NTL, Fortress Sports Fund, Kirkby... The man is useless as Everton Chairman.
Rebuilding Goodison is not an option because there would be no profit in it for the current owners of EFC. What Everton want is for some company to subsidise the stadium and to attach the 'New Goodison' to a retail park.
22 Posted 02/07/2011 at 16:56:23
23 Posted 02/07/2011 at 18:01:30
24 Posted 02/07/2011 at 18:42:03
I get the feeling yo u'd back BB even if he took us down!
The fact that he and the board put practically nothing into the club year after year is shameful, aside from remortgaging or adding mortgages to our already unstable business model.
Moyes must feel that he is running up a down escalator... and the escalator is speeding up.
But please prove me wrong.
25 Posted 02/07/2011 at 20:48:09
I realise this is going over old ground, but Kenright fucked up big time over Kings Dock, that was the deal of the century and he was in charge. Then he had us moving to Kirkby to a 60,000 then 50,000 stadium, ooh only choice ? but I've got the Fortress Sports Fund... give us a break. Kenwright keeping a lid on what has he done. He sold rooney ? hottest property in world ? do you want me to give credit for that? He then sold Lescott- stupid Manchester City, I give him no credit for that.
The only thing you could perhaps give him credit for is Moyes but don't be preaching to me he is an amazing chairman; even if you don't think he is a bad chairman, I can't see how you can conclude he is good.
26 Posted 02/07/2011 at 21:29:41
Is anyone able to provide any evidence at all? On the basis of recent performance the words which come to mind are chocolate and teapot.
Can anyone think of anything to refute this view?
27 Posted 02/07/2011 at 23:35:06
28 Posted 02/07/2011 at 23:40:11
29 Posted 03/07/2011 at 09:29:02
30 Posted 03/07/2011 at 09:28:20
Unlike many on here, I think Moyes has done a pretty good job (transfers overall, motivation of some players etc.), although there have been some errors, and, having been schooled on Alex Young etc., I don't like the way we play much of the time. Bill has kept us going when we might have fallen, although the errors he has made have been well catalogued on here.
My problem now is that the birds in the trees have known for many years that the Premier League world has been changing, and the response of our Board has been rock all. It is the continuing failures of the last few years which bug me.
31 Posted 03/07/2011 at 11:12:40
China gets money off us as a bung to encourage them buying top-end stuff off us... like the billions worth of satellites they've just signed on for. India the same.... 'Here's a few hundred mil to help out your poor... now what colour would you like your Hawk and Typhoon jets painted?'
Pakistan is a basket case with nukes... if you can't see the benefit, to us, of keeping young male Pakistanis out of the madrassas and in proper education, you need to look around more often. Somalia the same... we fix piracy by fixing Somalia... we also sort out a big illegal immigrant problem that will get worse before it gets better. Stuff all to do with morality in the foreign aid budget... enlightened self-interest for the most part.
Huge irony that a bloke who's criticism of the Everton board for their lack of early planning and direction is so clear is equally critical of the Govt for doing just that!.
32 Posted 03/07/2011 at 12:25:32
Conflating Moyes's "achievements" with Bill Kenwright's "achievements" is getting rather tiresome. The manager runs the team and the chairman runs the business. Based on their performances in their respective areas, Moyes trumps Kenwright; but shouldn't be used to get him off the hook for his many failures.
Shaun, Bill Kenwright's record of failure is impossible to match, he's a liability.
33 Posted 03/07/2011 at 14:37:06
Do you have an ounce of proof that any of the 700-800k per year spent on Somalia has stemmed their piracy problem which has actually increased over the last five to ten years? Again Steve empty hollow words of a government trying to garner nothing more than trade agreements under the lies of stopping terrorism or humanitarian aid.
Irony is someone clearly backing a government that is trying to change people's working terms and conditions yet still backing the corrupt UK banking system and making massive austerity changes and creating unemployment in the UK despite not one voter in the UK voting for them. Or how about letting universities charge whatever they like and being surprised when they all go for the highest charge they can impose and making schools into academies that can effectively chose who they teach, smacks somewhat of effectively pricing the poor and working classes out of education a nice legacy they'll be able to reap the benefits of for the next decade or so.
34 Posted 03/07/2011 at 17:18:40
35 Posted 03/07/2011 at 18:42:17
36 Posted 03/07/2011 at 19:04:28
I find your lack of respect for and understanding of "Everton`s ancient history" shameful; and it's not the first time your puerile ripostes have been disparaging of our history and those that know and value it.
You, to me, display the worst aspects of the post-Sky generation; indeed you are the Everton equivalent of the kopites who, when put on the spot, can only reply "Phil Taylor/2nd Division/The Split (...etc) were before my time."
37 Posted 03/07/2011 at 20:32:05
38 Posted 04/07/2011 at 02:15:17
39 Posted 04/07/2011 at 03:40:22
So what are we talking about?
40 Posted 04/07/2011 at 10:48:56
Gavin. No instant gratification so its not worth doing that it?. Same thing as with the club....no instant silverware so do one until we find a board/manager who can buy us a trophy?. You ever considered supporting Manchester City?.
2% GDP in a horses arse!. Its a few hundred million here and there. Put this into context mate and, according to the Guardian - paragon of socialist virtue, there was at least 10 billion in means tested benefits and 4 billion in tax credits left UNCLAIMED sloshing around the social security budget. Get that?. Handouts to the dole scrounging arseholes in this country, that they cant even be bothered to claim, FAR exceed the entire overseas aid budget. We cut the real wastage in the system and we can afford all the binmen and nurses you bloody well like.
The big money that goes overseas now is to India and, like I said, has nothing to do with generosity or morality. Its advertising for UK PLC. The Pakistan thing has just been ramped up to £600mn because the sub £100mn we were sending wasnt achieving anything....the new money is backloaded so they only get the biggest wedge when they show results....otherwise they get left to dangle. Presumably such means testing would meet with your approval?.
Somalia is a few tens of millions and you have to be pretty small-minded to think that, in terms of national service provision, that amount will make ANY difference whatsoever to the plight of starving binmen in the UK. It will contribute to putting Somalia's house in order though which is the only way to sort that problem out....not that its an overnight fix.
41 Posted 04/07/2011 at 11:36:31
42 Posted 04/07/2011 at 12:19:22
He was doing his usual,
best club in the world,
manager is a genius,
Money available to spend next season
Pushing on to beat the best........
Blah blah blah blah
Billy Bullshit...............nice bloke n all that. But in prem league chairman terms he shops at Netto and drives a Ford Escort
43 Posted 04/07/2011 at 18:15:02
All hail the glorious past ? but IT IS ancient history and has no relevance to today`s Premier League in which only under Kenwright/Moyes have we become established as a top half club.
Given the ability of the clubs above us to borrow money without limit, I see no way of us ever challenging for honours without finding similarly rich owners. In the meantime, BK/DM keeps us snapping at the Super Sixes heels!
44 Posted 04/07/2011 at 18:41:02
I would rather keep him than have some fly-by-night foreigner come in and rape us but he cant' be absolved from some, if not all, blame for the dire straits we find ourselves in.
His lack of foresight is his downfall and, whether you like it or not, he was a major part of the board when the Premier League took off, and failed to see just how big that, and then the Champions League, would become.
He should have done something with the stadium then before it got too late. It's fucked now and there is nothing he can do about it except sell up, and by that I mean sell up and piss off, as he has sold everything we own. All the money we now get is paying something else off and not going to strenghthen the team. He has to realise that people pay money to watch the team play, and if the team is being stifled then people won't cough up the cash.
Another thing he should do is cut out the bullshit. No-one, including yourself, has managed to fully explain his 'WOWS', WATCH THIS SPACE', NTL', 'MONEY IN THE BANK IN THE MORNING etc. The man is a bullshitting drama queen that is in well above his head and running a potentially massive club that needs urgent new leadership.
45 Posted 04/07/2011 at 20:33:02
Kenwright walking out might well please you but it might well spell the end for Everton FC. Personally,nI feel he is doing a good job and even if ? and it`s a big if ? we`re at death`s door, his demise would see the sharks move in for the kill.
It`s been said before, I know, but be careful what you hope for!
46 Posted 04/07/2011 at 21:05:54
Gavin, great comments ? keep 'em coming!
47 Posted 04/07/2011 at 21:17:10
I bring my kids up to be honest and I feel I have done a bloody good job so far. So how can I be on the moral high ground with my children whilst cheering on a bloke that has told so many lies? I really wish he was the perfect man for the job but his lack of business nouse and forward thinking are holding us back, if not slowly killing us.
ps: I do agree with your constant praise of our manager though, despite often getting frustrated with his obvious faults!
48 Posted 05/07/2011 at 09:27:45
I would imagine both will invest more on players than the previous owners which is all most fans of Everton would want.
Giving credit to Kenwright for what Moyes has achieved on the pitch is wrong imo. I accept Kenwright has not got the money but surely there are other ways to show the fans rather than hollow words that the club is making strides in progressing. The training ground was a big chance but got hardly any publicity and had nothing ground breaking.
Every effort should go towards making Everton a club that kids all around Europe should want and come and train with, we just offer the same structure that all other Premier League clubs do. Better to try and fail than do nothing and fall further and further behind.
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