......on the pitch?
For example, a starting eleven of;
Howard; Neville, Jagielka, Distin, Baines; Coleman, Arteta, Fellaini, Osman, Cahill; Beckford.
Subs:? Mucha, Hibbert, Heitinga, Rodwell, Gueye, Saha, Vellios.
Good team... good bench.
Then we have Bilyaletdinov and Anichebe in reserve. This, with the young squad members of Barkley, Baxter and Hope waiting in the wings, doesn't look as bad as things seem.
Add to this, the potential sales of Yobo and Yakubu, giving us AT LEAST £6million to spend (if it doesn't vanish) on loan/transfer fees to add to the squad, I am not as fearful as some supporters for the coming season.
Off the pitch, well that is a different animal altogether and one that I will leave well alone as it's been flogged to death by so many others.
Anthony Jaras, Posted 17/07/2011 at 10:04:34
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1 Posted 17/07/2011 at 14:31:32
2 Posted 17/07/2011 at 14:34:13
3 Posted 17/07/2011 at 14:41:43
Don't you ever get sick of being miserable Joe? Lighten up ffs.
4 Posted 17/07/2011 at 14:38:48
Not that many people feel we need much more than 2 players to add. Being a wide player and a centre forward. Beckford is not and never will be the answer... put a fit Saha in there and it looks even stronger. But I used the words 'fit' and 'Saha"... errrrr!
5 Posted 17/07/2011 at 14:54:33
There doesn't sem to be much activity for any teams this summer. No teams have built, exept Liverpool and City.
6 Posted 17/07/2011 at 14:55:09
"FFS Sake Anthony, do injuries not mean anything to you?"
Yes, I have considered injuries. Hence the reason I have listed seven substitutes and also mentioned two more players with first team experience as well as three youth players that may be able to soon step up to the plate, given what Ray Hall has said.
Also, I mention the sales of Yakubu and Yobo, suggesting that we use the cash to buy/loan one or two extra players to pad the squad out further.
Hope this clarifies what I thought I had articulated pal.
7 Posted 17/07/2011 at 15:06:03
8 Posted 17/07/2011 at 15:24:40
9 Posted 17/07/2011 at 15:20:53
I would hope that some of the new young guys (Gueye, Vellios, Barkley etc.) might bring the added ingredients to push further up the table, but it's a very big 'maybe'.
I think it is imperative that we sell Yobo and Yak, and use all the money for a wideman. I think that is the key spot that really needs some attention.
Mind you, this would only temporarily plug the leaks. When the whole ship needs refurbishment (ie, when our older players retire or are sold for diddly), we will be in more than a spot of bother.
10 Posted 17/07/2011 at 15:36:04
11 Posted 17/07/2011 at 15:47:16
Jamie Barlow ? it's hard not to be miserable being an Evertonian at the moment. Add to this, it's pissing down again.
12 Posted 17/07/2011 at 16:15:19
We need to fix the wings and have an additional forward. We will need to offload some of the central midfield players to do it, I am afraid. Bill's Euromillions ticket failed again.
13 Posted 17/07/2011 at 17:07:36
14 Posted 17/07/2011 at 17:11:34
Thoughts from Bill:
Glad you mentioned the Euro millions. I heard that the couple who won dont know it yet but are Toffee fans. WE just need Paul Mckenna to hypnotise them into believing this and our transfer budget will be sorted.
Now where is that number for McKenna?
15 Posted 17/07/2011 at 17:56:10
16 Posted 17/07/2011 at 18:01:13
I hate what money has done to our game
17 Posted 17/07/2011 at 18:29:04
Howard; Neville, Jagielka, Distin, Baines; Coleman, Arteta, Fellaini, Osman, Cahill; Beckford.
Subs:? Mucha, Hibbert, Heitinga, Rodwell, Gueye, Saha, Vellios
Cover for Baines if injured? maybe Neville, maybe Distin but they are also in your first team
Cover for Coleman only Gueye
Beckford isn't a lone striker, never has been and never will be it's not his best strength which is running off a holding player, Cahill isn't a holding player, best solution is Saha but can you genuinely believe Moyes would switch to 4-4-2 regularly to accomodate this and if we'd ever see more than 20 games per season from Saha, for some bizarre reason Moyes played Anichebe over Beckford last season which was tantamount to giving up on scoring goals
Creative midfield cover? Who knows
Anichebe as reserve, given he simply doesn't score goals other than burning up wages and space on a pitch I don't think he offers an value, likewise Bily played out of position and hasn't taken to the EPL at all, any player that can't track back and defend isn't going to get a game from Moyes.
Barkley is injured and unlikely to be available until October at the earliest, only when injuries force Moyes' hand does he ever give youth a chance.
If Yakubu and Yobo do go expect the fee to be "undisclosed" and to vanish with it's friends the Pienaar money, the Vaughan money and the wages saved from loans in January.
18 Posted 17/07/2011 at 18:30:11
If we had beaten Arsenal twice last season - like we should have done - we would have been within TWO points of them . . given our desperate start last season, our njury crisis and the fact that we persistantly let teams off the hook, do you really think that represents an unbridgable gap ? ? ?
I sincerly hope Moyes and his players are not as keen to raise the white flag.
Of course CL qualification is a tall order, but impossible ??? you must be new to this sports lark
19 Posted 17/07/2011 at 18:56:23
20 Posted 17/07/2011 at 19:07:25
21 Posted 17/07/2011 at 18:59:03
To address some of your points;
Cover for Baines, Neville, substitute Baines for Hibbert to slot into rights back.
Cover for Coleman? Gueye, yes. Osman to the right, Gueye to the left. We can't fill the bench with wingers we don't have. I'd like to sell Bily, he's shite.
Beckford is a better lone striker than Saha, due to his pace and fitness, with Cahill (Who can play midfield or attack) can support him and flick the ball on for Beckford to run on to.
I know he won't play 4-4-2.
I agree on Vic. Anichebe wouldn't get near the first team or matchday squad for me, I'd sell him with Bily. This freeing up his wages.
I know Barkley is injured, I listed him as a 'potential' back up player at some point next season, if needed due to injury, fatigue, suspension and small squad size.
I can only select a squad based on players we have, and, all fit and available, it doesn't look as bad as some suggest.
I also add that a couple of loans/cheap buys would pad the squad out.
I believe we WILL bring a couple of faces in somehow.
22 Posted 17/07/2011 at 19:37:17
I'm worried about Barkley ? hope he isn't cursed like young Vaughan before him... even Rodders and Fella seem to have to fight it every year.
23 Posted 17/07/2011 at 19:35:03
said Confucius as he looked into the crystal ball - he watched for a while then said:-
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
24 Posted 17/07/2011 at 21:08:01
We should have put Bily in the shopwindow I fully agree with that as we can't afford to keep expensive players that aren't going to get games.
I'll have to disagree with you about Beckford as a better lone striker than Saha too as his strength is running at players with his place not holding the ball up and turning with it to go past them. At Leeds he played off Becchio and it worked, at Everton for that short time he played off Saha it worked, when he has played up front alone more often than not he has been isolated and wasted.
25 Posted 17/07/2011 at 22:05:29
Osman is class in centre midfield and has played well pretty much all across midfield on many occasions, especially in the final third of last season.
26 Posted 17/07/2011 at 22:22:12
Osman has always been much better in the middle but doesn't get a look in there often enough.
27 Posted 17/07/2011 at 23:02:50
I was under the impression when we signed Heitinga we had to break the wage structure at the club to sign him, yet he only makes the bench in your team. Bily is another with high wages and a large incoming fee, does not even make the bench in your team; I am sure many would agree with you leaving them out.
Bily and Heitinga should be out the door at Everton; transfer listed and off the wage bill as soon as possible. Their contribution since joining the club for some £17 million (not including wages) has been woeful.
Everton cannot afford passengers even if we were to recoup £7 or 8 million for them and get them off the wage bill, for some fresh blood would be in the club?s interest. Over the years, Moyes has had all the money from outgoing transfers and I do not see that changing.
28 Posted 17/07/2011 at 23:35:44
Certainly not on the evidence of last season. The games in which Beckford looked most comfortable/threatening were those where he was paired with a partner up front. The games in which Beckford looked lost and out of his depth were those in which he was left to run around aimlessly as a lone striker, struggling to hold the ball up.
29 Posted 17/07/2011 at 23:59:13
30 Posted 18/07/2011 at 00:00:50
31 Posted 17/07/2011 at 23:38:38
A few decent games toward the end of last season does not hide the fact that he is slow, cannot withstand a tackle, often dissapears completely and I honestly have seen schoolboys with a harder shot. Those things are facts regardless what position he is in.
32 Posted 18/07/2011 at 02:47:11
Continuously standing on the fringe as we do is very frustrating. But we ARE right there.
Fingers crossed, we put it in the net some. Just 12 goals more last season would have had us in the Top 4.
33 Posted 18/07/2011 at 05:28:05
your incessant bashing of Ossie is cringeworthy. Those "few decent games" you refer to carried us virtually single handedly through the entire second half of last season.
I cant believe you are STILL attempting to use Ossie as a scape goat for the cup final defeat.
Do yourself a favour and watch the match again, you may well notice Howards blunder, or our centerbacks allowing themselves to be bullied, You may also notice that we didnt have a single player who actually stepped up to the mantle. . .but if its disappearing acts you are looking for, try finding your hero Cahill, or our captain,.Count how many times they actually touch the ball in the second half.
Dont worry if maths isnt your strong point, you`ll only be using the one hand . . and you`ll only be counting some of the fingers
34 Posted 18/07/2011 at 06:23:41
35 Posted 18/07/2011 at 08:14:42
36 Posted 18/07/2011 at 08:48:22
37 Posted 18/07/2011 at 09:34:36
Unless someone invests in the club we're going backwards.
There is no excitment any more; the kind when you look forward to the first game of the season and seeing our new players shine on the pitch.
We know what we're going to get because we've seen it for the past 4 years.
Things continue to look bad, but at least we're not spending millions (£60m plus now I think) on below average players, then convince ourselves that these players will win the league for us, like that shower over the park....!!!!!!!!!
So all-in-all, it could be worse believe it or not.
Up the Toffeemen.
38 Posted 18/07/2011 at 09:49:12
Ime not having a go at Kenwright or Elstone here i like the rest of us would simply like to know why that money for a start is not available and how Sunderland can sell players and then instantly spend the money brought in from these sales on replacements but we are not in a position to do the same.
39 Posted 18/07/2011 at 10:53:04
FUCKING HELL you asking me if it's as bad as we think????
40 Posted 18/07/2011 at 10:59:01
If you really think he has those attributes we must must be talking about very different levels of football.
Like all premiership players he leads an exclusive lifestyle and is paid many thousands per week more than the average punter. I expect him to earn his keep in every game and not just occasionally.
Whether it be praise or critcism I make no apology for voicing my opinion about him or anyone else.
41 Posted 18/07/2011 at 12:03:09
It doesn't matter how good a motivational speaker the manager or chairman might be, a lack of "proper" new signings will always register as a negative impact on the players because that's the way the game is played. Turning up each season with the same players breeds complacency. Arriving to see new quality breeds excitement and mixes things up. That's the way of the game.
Does the team stand a chance of breaking into the top six if it performs properly? Yes. It would stand an even better chance if new quality signings are brought in.
42 Posted 18/07/2011 at 12:26:08
43 Posted 18/07/2011 at 12:02:56
No I`m not saying he is a tiger in the tackle, or speedy or is always in the thick of the action,.
what I am saying is he didnt desert the club in the middle of an injury crisis to play in a tournament most Evertonians have absolutely no interest in, nor has he bled the club for 70k a week for the past nine months after picking up an injury playing in that tournament.
Perhaps if he did you would call him "world class"
Ossie was terrific last season before his injury and was even better afterward it. everyone else was able to enjoy his performances, but after years of incessant spite you were made to look really rather silly. Long may it continue
BTW Ossie may have been crap in the fhe final, but he was playing out of position . .whats Cahills excuse ?
44 Posted 18/07/2011 at 13:05:37
45 Posted 18/07/2011 at 13:16:44
However, Moyes is the problem. He has no new ideas after all these years and they will not come with the likes of Osman, Cahill and Bilyaletdinov. Sorry but Timmie seems to be past his best and may be worth getting some money for also. Yes, it's all about business and Timmie was great business for many years but we need to improve, not get more of the same old ploys.
46 Posted 18/07/2011 at 14:00:34
47 Posted 18/07/2011 at 14:15:42
As with Anichebe and Bily, no point having highly paid, saleable assets if we are not going to use them week-in, week-out.
48 Posted 18/07/2011 at 16:26:01
We need wingers, not people who stand out wide trying to do an impression of a winger. We need a good striker, who will play 40 games, not a talented by ageing crock and a young, enthusiastic lad whose finishing sometimes leaves you wondering if his boots are on the right feet.
Once those 3 are signed up, a decent back-up left-back wouldn't go amiss either, nor would a good right back.
Apart from that we're grand.
49 Posted 18/07/2011 at 19:54:29
50 Posted 18/07/2011 at 20:35:07
51 Posted 18/07/2011 at 20:37:21
We've got non-essential players to sell, true. I just hope the £4 m from Pienaar and Vaughan is available. We know for sure, we'll get nothing beyond cash from sales.
Then, it'd be just £16 m to go: preferably from: Yobo, Yak, Anichebe, and I guess Bily. Not at all sure that'll do it.
52 Posted 18/07/2011 at 20:32:51
You reckon he's great and I hold the opposite view.
It is an insult to the intelligence of all evertonians by suggesting that his contribution to the Everton cause is anywhere near that of Cahill.
53 Posted 18/07/2011 at 20:13:11
54 Posted 18/07/2011 at 20:57:30
55 Posted 18/07/2011 at 21:27:51
56 Posted 18/07/2011 at 20:46:24
Contribution? He left us in the middle of an injury crisis at the bottom of the table. That was his choice, but I feel sick to my stomach to think he took £3.5m out of our club in a season when his contribution had been so great, we were down the bottom when he fucked off and he offered nothing when he came back.... good job Ossie came along to retrieve the situation.
I will support Cahill ? at least for as long as he wears the blue shirt ? that's the difference between you and me I will criticise a player, but I will never deny him credit when it's due.
57 Posted 19/07/2011 at 11:59:03
58 Posted 20/07/2011 at 02:59:24
Anichebe is a battling ram up front. Everytime the ball gets hit to him Moyes and Round cross their fingers and toes in hope that the big loaf can miraculously ricochet the balloon to a blue shirt that can actually play football. My expectation of 'Big Vic' is non existent that why I have what little hair I have left. It keeps my blood pressure down too.
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