Something got me thinking the other day on one of the threads.
Jags' name came up, and one of the lads posted in regards to Jags: "His primary objective is to defend and clear any danger."
That got me thinking about Hibbert, and how this also applies to him, and who I think defensively is just as good as Jags.
When Jags makes mistakes, and there have been a fair few, he hardly gets any grief, but when Hibbert does it, he is absolutely slaughtered.
Two good defenders, one gets slaughtered, the other doesn't. Why?
Brian Waring, Posted 25/07/2011 at 18:10:45
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1 Posted 25/07/2011 at 19:14:41
I personally couldn't care a less if we have players in the England team.
2 Posted 25/07/2011 at 19:12:59
I do agree Jags does seem to have a teflon coat when it comes to his gaffes though.
3 Posted 25/07/2011 at 19:20:15
Jagielka is generally a very impressive player, at his best. I look at, and watch, Hibbert sometimes and think it's the first football match he's ever played in.
Technically, one is very sound and the other is basically, retarded.
4 Posted 25/07/2011 at 19:34:58
5 Posted 25/07/2011 at 19:38:44
6 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:01:37
7 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:07:41
Yes, Hibbert has his flaws going forward (which are not as bad some on here would have you believe) but there are not many better DEFENDERS playing RB in the Premier League than him. It's easy to slag him but not many get the better of him one-on-one.
Then again, most on here seem to pine for Coleman at RB ahead of Hibbert (or Neville) which is great in theory apart from the fact that the lad CAN'T defend!!
8 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:13:17
I've lost count of the occassions in which opposition, often - gallingly - Liverpool have broken from an Everton attack down our right hand side with devestating effect.
We've also seen Hibbert give away penalties, again against Liverpool, through being disasterously out of position and caught cold.
Finally, Hibbert is in an absolute world apart in his distribution, there is literally no one poorer in the Premier League. He doesn't want the ball, he doesn't know what to do with it.
Hibbert has made a bloody good living through being a substandard footballer, so I have no desire to stick up for him. We've all made him a millionaire.
9 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:22:05
You clearly see a different game to me so I wont encourage you any further....
No-one would make as many appearances for any Prem side, not just Everton, by being substandard. But then what do I know...
10 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:18:52
The second point, I think, relates to Tony being a home-grown player. Like it or not, Everton fans are harsher on players who have come through the youth ranks than they are of players who have signed from another club. You may think Hibbert is rubbish, but I guarantee you if he was on the transfer list tomorrow a number of Premier League clubs would offer him more money than he's getting with us. The lad has shown tremendous loyalty to the club, and he doesn't get the credit for that.
By the way, I'm no huge fan of Hibbert: I think he's a good defender who's very limited going forward. Had he been around in the 70's or 80's (or even part of the 90's), he'd probably have 50 or 60 England caps by now. As it is, he's just not very suited to the modern game. But he doesn't deserve the opprobium he gets on here, and certainly doesn't deserve to be labelled "retarded".
One last point in relation to Jags and a seperate thread on the quality of football at Goodison: people are correct in saying that our midfielders hide at times, and don't show for the ball when the defenders have it. However, there is nothing in that situation to stop the bloody defender from taking the initiative and moving forward with the ball, exploiting the space left by the midfielders and launching an attack himself. Ours, of course, don't; they just whack the ball as hard and as far away from themselves as they can. If there's to be any hope for Rodwell at Everton, it's surely a ball-playing centre-half who can step forward and dictate play from the back.
11 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:26:32
The term "retarded" means stunted, or undeveloped. Which for me, sums up Hibbert's technique. Hibbert has the technique of an under 15 player; which at his age is the very definition of "retarded".
You called me a moron, but you should check out the meaning of words you don't understand. Don't be afraid to ask in future Sean.
12 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:31:05
Both have been excellent servants for EFC and would run through a brick wall for us
Local lads who have been with us since kids always get stick for some reason, as a boy i remember Ebbrell getting torn to shreds by the Paddock
Personally i think Hibbo is our best RB, he aint World class but who at Everton is ???
13 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:36:31
14 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:38:25
For the same reason people consistantly single out Ossie for attack and refuse to acknowledge has played well even when hes been clearly MoTM.
And for the same reason Rodders is getting pelters even though he is barely out of his teens
15 Posted 25/07/2011 at 20:52:27
I don't understand why, but that means he's fair game for more vitriolic (often unfair) criticism than someone from further afield.
Hell, and Anichebe.
16 Posted 25/07/2011 at 21:49:27
17 Posted 25/07/2011 at 22:35:23
but its the same with him. Felaini has shown glimpses of what he can do, but he is labelled ' World class '
' Top quality ' ' Would fit into the Barcelona ' etc.
The more I think about it though, Osman has probalby been the more consistant of the two, and even after a great finish to the season, he is still slated. Don't figure.
18 Posted 25/07/2011 at 22:59:51
19 Posted 25/07/2011 at 23:09:33
20 Posted 26/07/2011 at 05:53:07
21 Posted 26/07/2011 at 08:00:22
22 Posted 26/07/2011 at 08:38:06
23 Posted 26/07/2011 at 09:16:54
24 Posted 26/07/2011 at 09:57:51
25 Posted 26/07/2011 at 10:11:50
26 Posted 26/07/2011 at 11:06:36
People have short memories of how many good performances Hibbert and Neville for that matter have put in, mistakes they make are magnified and often lead to opposition goals though so a tough one to compare to a centre half as he has a colleague often next to him to mop up a mistake.
27 Posted 26/07/2011 at 11:23:21
28 Posted 26/07/2011 at 13:08:17
They both have the same deficiencies, yet Hibbert is better at the primary objective of their positions... it baffles me.
29 Posted 26/07/2011 at 13:07:25
The other .... is Tony.
30 Posted 26/07/2011 at 13:13:35
31 Posted 26/07/2011 at 16:51:53
32 Posted 26/07/2011 at 17:10:53
Sean: we have a strict rule on name-calling (#7).
Don't do it.
33 Posted 27/07/2011 at 00:40:45
Go figure.... As our American cousins might say!!!
34 Posted 27/07/2011 at 06:36:05
You called him a moron.
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