It has suddenly struck me that a Euro Super-League is now inevitable. Throughout Europe there is a massive divide between the haves and have-nots (money). Money totally talks. Fifa's and Blatter's problems (I can't think of a suitable way of describing them without being obscene) actually gives an opportunity for Uefa (thinly disguised as the big clubs) to force changes in the power base.
KH Ruminniger has started the campaign, which I believe ultimatey will end up with the all powerfull superleague with money driving everything. Sky et al would certainly follow with all the best players. Where does that leave EFC?
At the moment there is no way we would be included and there is no realistic way this will change. So what will be left is a weakened domestic league which we could do quite well in.
Is this a proposition a good or bad thing?
Tim O'Connell, Posted 28/07/2011 at 20:53:13
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1 Posted 28/07/2011 at 23:29:37
2 Posted 28/07/2011 at 23:45:47
3 Posted 28/07/2011 at 23:45:35
If it did happen, there would be no place for Everton and we would see the slow demise of the club. Young people in the city would support Liverpool as the only representative of the city in the European competition, not immediately but gradually. All the TV money would focus on the Euro competition leaving the rest to scrap over peanuts.
Hope it never comes to that
4 Posted 29/07/2011 at 00:33:35
The cricket authorities realising that they couldn't anybody forming their own competion said
"Fine, do it then. But any players are banned from representing our competitions for life, including internationals."
So off a few went, got the bans, and the whole thing was shortlived, eventually folding.
The bans I seem to remember though were lifted later for the "better" players in order to play in internationals. Now why does that last bit not surprise anyone?
5 Posted 29/07/2011 at 01:09:04
6 Posted 29/07/2011 at 05:36:33
7 Posted 29/07/2011 at 06:52:21
8 Posted 29/07/2011 at 07:40:19
9 Posted 29/07/2011 at 08:17:43
The so called governing bodies have little power as it is, for all their chest puffing and bilious crowing without the high profile football teams and tournaments they are pretty much redundant and their gracy train would grind to a halt.
10 Posted 29/07/2011 at 08:31:09
Most of the rest of Europe dont have a strong away following within their own country, so travel to away games wouldn't bother them at all.
If this "breakaway league" was to happen, wonder if it'll be like the franchises in US where there is no relegation or promotion and teams moving round the continent following owners/money. Or, would they have some sort of promotion/relegation (which the teams wouldn't want), with the lowest placed English team in the Euro league playing the winners of the domestic competition in a cup final type of game?
Thinking about it, do we actually care?
11 Posted 29/07/2011 at 08:52:43
12 Posted 29/07/2011 at 09:05:19
13 Posted 29/07/2011 at 09:08:30
14 Posted 29/07/2011 at 09:11:41
If you form a Super League then all the elite teams will be concentrated in the same league, and that will mean sure death for clubs from Germany, France, Turkey, Portugal and the likes as they will always be outside of the top 4 or 6 of the Super League. That would mean bad business as Germans, Portuguese, French etc. will not appreciate the Super League...
However, I wish the Super League would have come into being. We would have had a break from the Top 4 or 6 and since we are the best outside that group, we would have been the champion of the domestic league.
15 Posted 29/07/2011 at 09:07:12
Basically the top 197 clubs in Europe (yes that includes Everton) have a contract with FIFA to play in UEFA run competitions until 2014. Realistically that is not that far away and the top European clubs are starting to plan a breakaway from the corrupt Blatter.
I can honestly see it happening in 2014 and wrote a piece on ToffeeWeb a couple of years ago (titled European Super League) unless Blatter dramatically changes the way FIFA is run.
The real question is where does this leave Everton?
16 Posted 29/07/2011 at 08:48:49
The words "traitors", "scum" etc would trail the shirts of clubs involved as a collective two fingers from the great majority would rise.
The spurned remnants would be galvanised to work together for their own protection and I believe a great opportunity to level the playing field and improve football generally would be taken.
Of course this has been raised before, the replacement of the "European Cup" by the tedium of the "Champions League" has revealed many problems - not only logistics but the lack of real rivalry with some appalling games.
The enthusiasts are the "money men" not stalwart fans of the clubs involved, they know the risk of a "no return" move to Europe. If Everton were invited I'd vote "no chance".
Previous soundings have received a nervous "oh really" from stalwart fans of clubs involved. The present Champions League doesn't set the heart racing
17 Posted 29/07/2011 at 09:19:56
It could possibly begin with a mini-league between countries with less attractive leagues; the Dutch, Austrian, the Baltic?s or even the Scots and the Irish, because that would elevate these leagues to higher more professional standard and likely increase revenue.
This model would surely be watched closely by the major leagues and some form of European League would follow, but it's a long way away.
18 Posted 29/07/2011 at 09:54:30
As Ray says in No 1, we can let them fuck off, and if FIFA, UEFA, the FA etc stay firm, then their players would be excluded from international matches, they could not enter the domestic cups etc. I agree that after a while their supporters would lose interest.
More dangerous would be a weak FIFA/UEFA/FA who, seduced by the money arguments, would allow the breakaway and try to incorporate it into their structures. This would further siphon cash out of the rest of the game and act as a magnet for the top players, so exacerbating many times the problems we have now.
Even worse would be a scenario where the clubs were allowed to enter a second-string team in the domestic leagues, or simply remain in them at the same time. Again the current situation only many many times worse.
I like Michel Platini and I think he has tried to take on the imbalance in financial strength. But FIFA has no credibility, UEFA is not strong enough and our own FA is too concerned about the money. I think this will happen.
And as for Everton? We missed the train at the start of the PL (which, let's not forget, our own stupid board at the time helped drive to creation); we missed the boat on the Champions League. We are nowhere on this matter. It will indeed be disastrous for us.
19 Posted 29/07/2011 at 10:04:42
If we're not in it then it will be the death of our club.
20 Posted 29/07/2011 at 11:15:04
21 Posted 29/07/2011 at 11:49:22
22 Posted 29/07/2011 at 12:11:19
Paraphrasing but "10 premier league teams in the super league"
I doubt that mate, the league would consist of maybe 16-18 teams and they would likely be made up of the Forbes top 20, which Everton is not a member of and not likely to be, any time soon.
Unless of course there is a tiered divisional set-up where we'll be undoubtedly in Division 2
23 Posted 29/07/2011 at 12:20:29
The group created by the so called elite clubs.
If they were to ever breakaway it would destroy football as we know.
FIFA would ban anyone involved which would include representing their countries in anyway.
Which would in turn destroy the world cup etc...
I have always felt that its no more than a threat by the g18 group to get what they want. Notice how it has been risen again immediately after the FIFA elections.
If they were to remove platini from UEFA and Blatter from FIFA im sure these guys would be happier.
24 Posted 29/07/2011 at 12:21:16
I sometimes wonder if the best thing that could happen would be for the Rich 5 to buzz off, get barred from all othe other competitions , and leave the rest of us to get on with it here.
25 Posted 29/07/2011 at 12:29:15
The cost of flying to all destinations Super, and cost of tickets etc etc.
And with half the Euro Country's nearly bankrupt, having to be bailed out, I just cannot see it happening.
26 Posted 29/07/2011 at 12:28:25
27 Posted 29/07/2011 at 12:53:22
28 Posted 29/07/2011 at 13:20:09
Supposed United, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and the Shite did abandon the PL and maybe even Tottenham, I would wager that our illustrious leaders would contrive to royally fuck up the remaining league and still finish mid-table?
We are Everton after all.
29 Posted 29/07/2011 at 13:34:39
30 Posted 29/07/2011 at 14:56:23
31 Posted 29/07/2011 at 16:38:55
32 Posted 29/07/2011 at 19:44:44
In the next few years as the economy sprals into a black hole fewer a fewer people will have the disposable income with which they will be able to buy tickets. This will without doubt upset the TV merchants.
So, with grounds becomming more and more empty, no atmosphere will be generated to the viewers sat at home. Therfore people at home will eventually switch over and check out the amazing all afternoon BB effin C syncronized swimming trials. OH, problem for the footy execs and how to solve.
Of course Jeremy has it all worked out.
We just cut or copy and paste the full stadii bit. Tarquin in the sound dept will add the sound (crowd noise) fx and the fuckin world will be fooled yet again.
This shite, by the way has already happened. Hockey. As in Hockey it would be very foolish for the TV dicks to go down this road and treat us like fools.
Having said all that, they, useless twats that they are will still try it,
You heard it on TW first.
PS the day my Everton wear a ring of yellow stars on a blue background will be the day that i'm one ex EFC supporter !
33 Posted 30/07/2011 at 05:34:16
34 Posted 30/07/2011 at 08:40:13
35 Posted 30/07/2011 at 10:05:59
36 Posted 30/07/2011 at 12:27:04
One group stage
Two group stages
Salami tactics - slice by slice. The Premier League isn't the big prize for these teams now, it's just the formailty they have to go through to get to the real stuff.
Personally I hate Euro football. It's dull as fuck nowadays. No contrasting styles, exotic players, they're all playing the same boring style.
And I don't care whether we're playing against Manchester Utd. Let them eventually fuck off and I'll cheer the rest of us competing in a domestic league.
37 Posted 30/07/2011 at 12:08:01
And consider this what do you think the attendance would be for Manchester United v Bayern Munich would be if say they were 8th & 9th ? What would the TV interest be ? As Craig says there wouldn't be enough trophies. They can't all be winners can they ? And if you had a European Super League - somebody would finish bottom of the League wouldn't they? Quite possibly it would be a big name club that wouldn't be used to struggling. Let's see if Old Trafford, The Emirates, Stamford Bridge etc would be full every match if the home club was out of contention or even struggling.
I doubt whether the plight of Rushden & Diamonds and Wrexham or before them Chester City attracted much interest to the mega rich clubs in the Premier League.But it should do - as they say a chain is as strong as its weakest link. The likes of Man United and Chelsea think that they don't need the other clubs - but I think they would be wise to reconsider.
The "Sky Boom" is just that ;a boom that can't last, that has very little solid foundation. Sooner or later the Sky TV Barons will cosy up to whatever the next " big thing " in sport is. Football has all but sold it's soul to Sky and the promises of untold riches. Let's see how they fare when the going gets tougher in the worsening World Financial situation. Let's see how good a partner Sky TV proves to be - no doubt their loyalty will prove to be shallow.
Over the last 10 years the FA Cup has diminished in importance thanks to the "bigging up" of the Champions League. The likes of Man United will give a greater priority to a group match in the CL rather than an FA Cup match - even a meaningless group game - and there are many of them. Do you really think that if Man United finished 6th they wouldn't get in to the Champions League. There would be some rule change that allowed in former winners, something like that.
If they want to go and form such a so called Super League, I say let them do so. I would give it 5 years to last, Chelsea v Barcelona sounds appealing and special - but every season ? No it would soon lose it's " glamour". I like profiteroles - but if I had them for pudding every day I would soon grow tired of them.
The European Cup was special - but the Champions League Format is fast destroying that, as I said to play Barcelona/Real Madrid/Ajax/Bayern Munich etc is special but when you play them twice every year it begins to lose it's uniqueness. Maybe there was some truth in what Marx said about Capitalism - it contains within it the seeds of its own destruction - the same applies I think to a Eurpean Super League.
38 Posted 30/07/2011 at 12:36:04
And that's Weight Watchers Profiteroles for me now !!!!!! ( And certainly not evey day !!!)
39 Posted 30/07/2011 at 12:54:26
The prem would just become like the Belgian league, dutch league etc, average.
40 Posted 30/07/2011 at 13:46:11
41 Posted 30/07/2011 at 14:10:34
In this day and age though, its all about the money and the glamerous side of it, and if, say the top 6 from last season went, so would all the cash for the not so well off clubs. All the better players would go also, IMO attendances would drop.
If the top 6 went, couldn't it still be groundhog day, wouldn't the better clubs still left, just take over the mantle, and keep winning everything?
Take out the top 6 from last season, your left with us, Wigan, Stoke, WBA, Q,P,R , Swansea, Norwich, Wolves, Blackburn, Fulham, Newcastle, Sunderland, Villa and Bolton. Seriously, you would be left with maybe 3 - 4 teams who could win everything. Wouldn't it again, become unfair and pointless, and therefore, groundhog day?
42 Posted 30/07/2011 at 20:04:17
History tells us that only 6 years after winning the European Cup a ceratin Manchester United were relegated. Only this year the biggest club in Argentina ( apologies to Boca Juniors) River Plate were relegated. The so called "Sky 4 or is it 5" would be wise to show a little humility. A European Super League would fail in the long run - as I said let's see if Old Trafford is full to capacity if they are out of contention or struggling at the wrong end of the table. Even in a ESL they can't all win the title can they ? Somebody would have to finish bottom.
And as regards the better players - well look at Manchester City - 3 years ago it was Robinho who was the "lead superstar" - then it was Tevez and Adebayor - now the lad they have just signed for £38M. They can only play 11 and most players would rather be playing no matter how good the money is - Parker and Sidwell looked to be onto a good thing when they joined Chelsea - but the move messed up both their careers.
And as regards 3 or 4 teams dominating in a League minus the Sky 5- personally I think there would be more than just 3 or 4 teams in contention. As I said the game is bigger than the "Sky 5" - and if they want to leave and join a Eurpean Super League- then good riddance to them. Watch them come back within 5 years with their tails between their legs!!!!
43 Posted 30/07/2011 at 20:24:05
44 Posted 31/07/2011 at 09:44:21
The clubs below the top 5, I can imagine their highest gate is when they play any of the top 5, therefore bringing in more cash.
Sky would quickly jump ship, so we would end up with an average league, and a poor one fianancially. Without the cash, how would the teams with huge debt survive? Could we continue to pay Arteta, Moyes and the other high earners huge salaries?
I struggled to come up with more than 4 teams who would 'genuinely' have a chance to win the league without the top 5.
One thing I would agree on, is good riddance if they decided to walk away.
45 Posted 31/07/2011 at 10:42:42
46 Posted 31/07/2011 at 16:17:51
The British mindset that "soccer" is not a major sport for a substantial portion of people in the US is about 20 years behind the times. A whole generation played the game through high school and college, combined with more than a generation of European and Latino immigrants who are much more determined to be true to their roots rather than adopt throwball, netball and rounders.
It's just that our level of appeal is way down there somewhere, with zero marketing of the Howard & Donovan factor providing zero leverage for us with yer average Joe Public on Main Street.
47 Posted 07/08/2011 at 06:57:30
Pack of lies!
You couldn't make it up, could you?
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