The recent fall-out from the Blue Union transcript painted a picture of a man ? Bill Kenwright ? who appears to have more faces than the town hall clock.
A psychiatrist reading the Blue Union transcript would describe Kenwright's behaviour and manner as somebody suffering from dissociative identity disorder, a condition in which a person displays multiple distinct identities or personalities (known as alter egos or alters), each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment.
Some would say that such characteristics are a prerequisite of a showman and befitting of a man steeped in acting, theatre production and the arts.
It may be such attributes that make Bill Kenwright so endearing to his wealthy friends ? Philip Green, Amanda Staveley and Simon Cowell. By his own admissions, Kenwright financially is not one of them and does not have the wealth or financial clout to support his football team.
The fact that Amanda Staveley is regarded as a friend. given her substantial Arabian connections, why is it that Everton have a track record of missing the financial boat, failed in its 24/7 search for investment, and are embarrisingly being linked with red herrings such as the guy in the Manchester bedsit?
The Blue Union transcript displayed Kenwright in all of his alter egos, one minute forlorn and crestfallen, the next grandiose and self-important. Surely these characteristics must be known to Green, Staveley and Cowell ? factors that would in my opinion dissuade an investor or buyer.
The fact that Kenwright is still using Keith Harris ? described by recently by club stooge Dave Prentice as "a man that will go anywhere that there?s a bit of publicity around. That?s his modus operandi, but his track record in football isn?t anything to write home about.? ? speaks volumes in respect of his judgement.
Which brings me to my final point, Bill Kenwright is the making of the Everton problem. His recent comments would suggest that he views himself as the right man for the job, like the emperor with no clothes... Blue Union are like the boy who dared to suggest otherwise.
If Everton FC is to regain its pride and standing within the game then a solution to the Kenwright problem needs to be sought. The appointment of an interim board may offer salvation, rid Everton of the smoke and mirrors policy that pervades all of its dealings and offer the platform for dialogue, transparency and open communication that have been non-evident during Bill Kenwright's stewardship.
Peter Laing, Posted 01/09/2011 at 11:51:21
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1 Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:24:57
Why not just get behind the team and the young lads coming through rather than continuing to pile the negativity into the club. There is enough about as it is.
Give your gobs a rest and direct your passion where it will actually help the team, at the old lady on a match day instead of spouting all this bile that, for all intents and purposes, will make not one bit of difference tot he future of our club. As has bene pointed out many, many, many times before - if we force the current encumbants into a quick sale just to shut a small section of our supporters up then we may end up with a Ridsdale or Gaydamak at the helm and who knows what the future may hold then.
At least with the current encumbants they are being sensible - reducing debt, not spending money we don't have and listening to their bank. So they have made mistake, who hasn't? At least we can be safe in the knowledge our club will continue to exist and more than likely in the premiership.
Stop whinging like spoilt little girls.
2 Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:39:16
3 Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:43:16
4 Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:45:55
5 Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:43:24
6 Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:05:13
If there's no-one willing to buy the club (as he categorically states) - then the failure of an interim board to sell the club will ultimately prove him right - and we can carry him around the streets held aloft!
That is, assuming he isn't talking pure and utter crap!
7 Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:10:01
For god's sake, when will you people begin to read, understand and stop writing utter shite like, "At least with the current encumbants they are being sensible - reducing debt, not spending money we don't have and listening to their bank."
8 Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:50:45
Thanks for putting this into perspective. We should all be cheering with passion as our top 5 team of a few years ago is dismantled one transfer window at a time.
Us "spoilt girls" should just be grateful we're in Premiership and stop looking at Stoke/Bolton/Wigan/Wolves with green eyes.
As you say Dan, the mind boggles at the state at the club should it fall into the hands of someone out of their depth and totally incompetent.
9 Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:16:53
The critics want a certain result but have no real answers to anything; the conservatives want stability and support because radical change of the wrong kind could see Everton disappear. The conservatives have the high ground because the only strategy of the critics is to get rid of Kenwright and nothing else. It isn't enough.
Please, if there's nothing new to add to the debate why not some constructive threads instead.
10 Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:16:32
And Paul, I'd rather the current encumbants were in place than Ridsdale and his like, wouldn't you? Be thankful we have turned from relegation candidates every season to mid table and above, under who's watch did that happen? Would you rather we got into champions league once and then dropped down to League 1? And Phil, I'm not saying be happy about the fact that we've sold Arteta but at the end of the day how good has he been since his knee injury? Ossie was far better than him last year. £10 million for a 29 year old who has lost a yard of pace isn't bad business. Particularly when we have Barkley coming through. Felli, Rodders, Cahill to play centre mid, Drenthe out on the left, Coleman when back on the right - looks alright to me. What I am saying is a few thousand fans are constantly whinging about the board - but to what end? A small pocket in one stand protesting? Half of Old Trafford is green and gold - that is more fans than currently turn up to our stadium!!! You lot are stuck in the 80's, we have no right to compete with the top four and as I've said we'd need a spare £1billion to be competing there regularly so yes, my view is we should be grateful we are playing in the best league in the world, no danger of relegation and confident our club will continue to exist. I'm no alias or insider, just a passionate fan who is grateful that we don't have last game of the season histrionics and tears of relief anymore. I'm not towing any party line just sick and tired of all the waste of energy a small section of our fans seem to spend when clearly they can't affect the situation and what should be even more clear to them given the lack of sales of their 'protest scarves' and lack of banners and shouting in the ground, is that they aren't the voice for the majority of the fans.
11 Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:39:22
12 Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:30:26
I wish the club would stop planting stooges on fan's websites.
It's not going to work, we cannot be fooled.
13 Posted 01/09/2011 at 14:53:36
14 Posted 01/09/2011 at 13:39:50
How odd that when you Google that name with Everton you get links to people totally agreeing with you on the official site, although you don't seem to have written anything for them to agree with.
15 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:01:24
Just pres Ctrl+F on the page and paste Dan Nulty
Plus a bunch of others... but other wise "Great posts Dan Nulty"
16 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:05:36
No. They haven't.
Does that answer you first question?
17 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:05:31
Hmmm, thats a new one
good try ;)
18 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:05:59
19 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:11:44
20 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:13:43
21 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:17:37
22 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:07:26
And Ciaran. Yes. They have. Bellefield went to reduce debt.
Look at the dates on the website, 2010, it looks like you can't go back to previous pages. If you do google me you'll also see that I played rugby union for Ilkley so have absolutely nothing to do with football. Really find it sad that you'd stoop t to this level to try and discredit a fan who diagrees with you.
23 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:36:20
So Dan, what was the debt when Kenwright took over - and what is it now?
24 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:25:45
This idea that everyone who doesnt agree is some sort of "plant" is getting ridiculous.
You need to concentrate on winning hearts and minds, cupping your ears and shouting "plant" doesnt do you any favours at all.
That said Dan, you are talking shite, I`m no financial expert but even I know that our debt has increased year upon year and will continue to do so. The events of last night may have temporarily slowed things down, but people like me are asking themselves what happens when there are no stars left to sell ?
25 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:33:19
I honestly can't believe you lot think I'm a stooge just because I think you should stop with all the negative shite you lot post about the one part of our club you can't affect. All I'm trying to say is shut up whinging about it and get behind the team. Doesn't make me a stooge.
And for what it's worth Michael, am doing a GTP through Braford College, teaching at a primary school in West Yorkshire, Dad was in the Army, Uncle runs his own business in Warrington, Wife is a teacher. Have been volunteering at a school and absolutely loved it, I'm trying to make a positive difference not just to my life but the lives of others, particularly young lads who don't have any male role models in their life.
The fact is that I don't support the board or Kenwright (I think he is a naive idiot by the way). I am just grateful we are still in the premiership, have been punching above our weight and the current encumbants aren't sending us to administration. It could have been worse. If a viable alternative is put forward and I like the sound of what they are saying, if they come out and said do you you know what these muppets are asking for £200 million for your club and it isn't worth it, I'd be at the front of any protest. The fact remains we have no alternative so chomping at the bit to get rid of them and whinging like 'spoilt little girls' is a complete waste of energy.
26 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:54:42
Our debt levels have increased, the point I am making now is that since 2010 accounts it appears to me that they have been reducing that debt through Bellefield and player sales and reducing the wage bill. I'm not saying that prior to that that debt levels haven;t increased because it's plain to see they have. Clearly. What is also clear is that Bill never had two pennys to rub together and it is only his mates who helped him by the club. Lord knows where we'd be if Johnson stayed in charge.
27 Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:06:46
28 Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:25:44
29 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:48:04
30 Posted 01/09/2011 at 15:57:07
Dave Wilson, you of all people know that people on here don't want to just jeer in unison about whatever current moan there is - but it's dishearten if people are making aliases simply to make their viewpoint stand out. Often you (and by that I don't mean you personally) go round and round having the same "discussions" because of the use of childish tactics which sound like something from a school yard. Clearly though, Googling everyone who does not share your opinion isn't exactly mature. That said, somebody arguing that Billy should play behind any lone striker is as much a matter of opinion as saying you don't agree with The Blue Union's tactics... but running an online propaganda attack is quite another.
I've read many things that you have posted on here Dave, some I agree with, some I don't... some I respond to and some I don't... certainly a lot of people I know don't contribute, but they do read quite alot so that they get a balanced opinion. If (and I'm certainly not saying ToffeeWeb is the defacto unbiased fans' forum) opinions are being underhandedly swayed either by people inside the club or outside, then I think it's wrong. There's the old adage about arseholes and opinons, that everyone has one - perhaps Ian Ross needs more personas to expel the vast quantities of shit he has.
31 Posted 01/09/2011 at 17:24:05
Look it up. Well, you might have trouble when you've got the first letter wrong...
It's the little ones I fear for...
32 Posted 01/09/2011 at 17:44:54
33 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:00:21
Please tell us your qualifications or state your experience that allow you to state as fact what a psychiatrist would make of Bill Kenwright.
34 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:35:51
35 Posted 01/09/2011 at 19:31:32
36 Posted 01/09/2011 at 19:49:52
We can shout from the fuckin rooftops it wont turn Anichebe into a top class striker believe me.
37 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:28:01
"If you do google me you'll also see that I played rugby union for Ilkley so have absolutely nothing to do with football."
38 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:53:29
39 Posted 01/09/2011 at 22:58:19
"They" have not been reducing our debts, the last published accounts and the next will show that despite the measures they have taken the debt remains exactly the same. That's despite the handing over of Bellefield and the sale of players. The costs have actually risen , the wages, despite shipping out 11 players on loan have actually risen to £58m.
The concept you have difficulty in understanding is that "they" have caused the debt in the first place, the debt was only "£15m" net or "£20m" total, now it's "£45m" net or "£90m" total, net debt in 2011 will be the same as in 2010. The banks won't touch us with a shitty stick, the asset / debt ratio is fucked, EBITDA was just £1m in the last accounts, in the next it will be below £500k.
To me you're a phoney, on here to peddle the shite that has been fed by amateurs attempting to run what should be a professional organisation.
The solution to our problems lies with taking the decision on the sale out of the hands of proven amateurs and placing it with professionals; they can either agree or inflict even greater damage on the club and their precious personal investment; time to go, time for a change.
40 Posted 01/09/2011 at 23:27:39
Oh Peter, you've let the cat out of the bag as to what some are really attempting to achieve; taken from Everton's Articles of Association:
19. Disqualification and Removal of Directors
19.1 The office of a director shall be vacated if:
19.1.3 he is, or may be, suffering from mental disorder and either........
Pity, no doubt another amendment will be tabled soon!
41 Posted 02/09/2011 at 09:30:38
Adam - you deserved it.
Colin, the proof will be in the pudding about the debts, surprised you know already what is in the May 2011 accounts, maybe you are the witch. I'm no phoney, no stooge. As I've said, just a fan of Everton FC and have been for 27 years, through pretty much thin and thin. I'm not sure it's been thinner than now though when we've been resorted to ridiculous in fighting. What is crazy is that in part I agree with you that we need a change, Kenwright and his various chief execs et al haven't done a good job, in fact it's been a bit of a mess. I just get the feeling that they are doing their best to try and sort it out, through their own doing it's with both hands tied behind their back though.
I agree that debt's have increased, it only appears in the last twelve months that they seem to be trying to do something about it, at the expense of the squad, but something has to give if Earl won't put his hand in his rather deep pocket.
What we differ on opinion is that I believe you and a few others are trying to stir up some big protest that will change the board and bring in some investment. I believe you are hoping and shouting for a miracle because at the moment there isn't an alternative out there, we can't force them out if there is no alternative. If we do, we might end up with a Ridsdale. My opinion is the negativity you and others create impacts on the atmosphere of the club and the team. I might be wrong but my opinion is that it can't exactly have a positive influence on it.
I'm new to commenting on toffeeweb, I used to comment on football matters on the official site but stopped some 6 months ago when they started vetting all the comments and anything negative wasn't published. Just thought I would give Toffeeweb a try and can't believe the reaction I got. Lads, it's pathetic. Just because someone doesn't agree with some of the vitriol directed at the board and thinks that we should be doing our utmost to try and look at the positives (there are a few to be fair), you pass them off as an insider or stooge of the club. God forbid a fan that doesn't agree with you. Clearly not many did given the lack of protests.
For me, in life, you don't whinge about things you can't affect. You don't whinge about mistakes from the past, they only poison your opinion on the present and the future.
Let's hope the future isn't as bleak as some of you would have us believe.
If you want to win support to your arguments, try reasoned arguments rather than being aggressive and dismissive of people as stooges just because perhaps they don't fully understand the ins and outs of the situation. Personally, I'm just sick of all the negativity.
I'll leave you girls to it now.
42 Posted 02/09/2011 at 10:35:30
We have all seen the estimates of incoming & outgoing cash in the media, we can all see the 'snapshot' of our financial status up to May 2010 in the accounts so one way you could have come to these figures is that you have been doing your own calculations? I along with many others would contend that if you have used media figures you will end up with a figure that is inaccurate.
On the other hand you do occasionally seem to come up with information about the club that most are not privy to ? I assume you have a lot of contacts around the club?
Are your figures arrived at using one of these contacts? In which case that source must be pretty high up in the club?
43 Posted 02/09/2011 at 10:46:23
You've been working with primary school kids, so what would you do if you had a group of destructuve kids in class? Would you carry on giving them all gold stars, it would you try and seperate them?
The bless haven't all of a sudden tried to address the debt. They have been systematically selling assets in order to survive as well as increasing debt. There is only a finite amount of bricks and mortar to sell, we also had the Rooney money otherwise this situation would have come sooner.
So Dan, again, seriously are you suggesting that wishful thinking will make all this disappear? I'm sorry, but I can't believe that as things stand all will be happily ever after.
44 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:09:02
Arteta is no great loss.
45 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:26:55
46 Posted 02/09/2011 at 12:33:36
47 Posted 02/09/2011 at 13:25:43
There can be no doubt in anyone's mind that Kenwright is an incompetent, lying charlatan who together with his "Friends of Everton" have taken the club to record debts and created a culture totally opposite to that of the image of "The People's club".
It is not the fans fault that there is so much negativity when the squad is being reduced every year in quality and quantity at a time when even footballs minnows are einvesting in their playing squads.
The point is what is the solution.
Well first of all like any sensible person you have to get rid of the poor management and look to bring in someone better.
IMO an interim board with a set agenda would be the ideal solution and it worked for the other lot so why not us.
There can be no doubt in the minds of most Evertonians that Kenwright has to go and go soon.
Looking for investment and failing for 11 years alone should make him a candidate for dusty bin let alone the litany of lies, deceipt and anti fans actions under his regime.
48 Posted 02/09/2011 at 18:46:29
The mysterious John Farmer has been watching Everton for over 50 years and not missed a home game for 20 years. I have seen the good times and the bad.
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