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Selling Beckford?

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Just a quick question, after everything that went on at Everton on Deadline Day, am I the only person who finds selling Beckford the strangest deal of them all??

A) Why have we sold one of our very few goalscorers, who must surely have been ahead of Anichebe, Velios and the ever-injured Saha in the pecking order?

and B) Why did he want to leave a Premier League club to drop back down a division?

With an unknown loan signing to replace him, I'm baffled by this one.....

Michael Grundy, Liverpool     Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:01:05

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Dave Wilson
1   Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:46:01

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Not that baffling really Michael.
We sold the players we got offers for.


I`m convinced The board thought Arsenal were going to come back for Jagielka - especially after conceding eight.
I`m also convinced that any improved offer would have been accepted.
Dave Smith
2   Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:48:37

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A) For the money (4m straight to the bank)
B) For the money (He's on double at Leicester)
Colin Hughes
3   Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:49:43

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I agree, although Beckford would struggle to finish his dinner, i still think that he was more than a decent squad player, im a bit gutted he's gone. 10 goals in his first season isn't bad at all, and he could of easily doulbled that figure with some of the easy chances he missed. What 28 year old striker could you buy for 3 million? i think by selling him shows how bad the situation is at the club, it leaves us very short up front.
John Crawley
4   Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:55:06

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I think they have taken a massive gamble selling Beckford and replacing him with Denis Stracqualursi. Whilst Beckford wasn't the greatest he was joint top scorer in his first season, he had pace and good movement which is something that we lack. So I agree it was strange but I think the whole thing has been driven by whoever we had bids for.
Dalziel Kane
5   Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:54:39

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It only seems like yesterday that we brought in this kid from Leeds on a free, and before you can say 'Warnerbonons' the player has left and joined up with someone else.

I remember at the time he arrived from Elland Road I was genuinely excited and was eager to see what he could bring to the club after a well recognized and distinguished time with the Yorkshire outfit, ultimately he was never able to duplicate anywhere what he achieved before, once in blue colors, but nonetheless still provided one or two standout moments.

Was initially signed on a 4 year contract here, but these things aren't worth the paper they're written on half the time now . All said, we got him on a free, got $4,000,000 from Leicester for him, so that at least, by my math, represents a good piece of business.



Darren Smith
6   Posted 02/09/2011 at 20:22:03

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I think we did okay on selling players.

10M for Arteta ? he has been shit for 2 years and on 70k a week and nearly 30...

4M for Beckford ? I never liked him; never a Prem player. Let's just hope we have a bit of cash in January.

James Newcombe
7   Posted 02/09/2011 at 20:20:25

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Definitely not the only one Michael, he's going to bang them in in the Championship. So, er, maybe we should have kept him.
Alan Williams
8   Posted 02/09/2011 at 20:36:43

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Get real people, this sale wasnt to raise money. The lad is an arse off the pitch and doesnt fit in with his bad attitude. After Wolves away last year his card was marked! this adds to squad moral well done EFC for selling him COYB
Simon Thorne
9   Posted 02/09/2011 at 20:45:09

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4 Million for a player we got for free a year ago is a brilliant deal. He was never the answer for Everton. He did a job, a good job, what was asked of him, and with a year's publicity in the Premier League he probably got a brilliant deal with Leicester. Good for us, good for him, will be good for them! No doubt Beckford will score loads in the Championship, maybe help them get promoted.

Not strange at all really. Seems quite logical.
Rob Hollis
10   Posted 02/09/2011 at 20:56:21

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I would have never played him after the Reading debacle. Bloody idiot with the touch of a block of wood. Just the way he stood annoyed me, and somebody gave us money! Bye bye.
Thomas James
11   Posted 02/09/2011 at 20:54:54

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We sold him because he was crap. He has less control than the bewildered Ghadaffi.

Despite the fact he cannot score big Vic is better for Everton does so much more team work to retain possession.

His attitude just stank. Moaning on the pitch and moaned @ Moyes when subbed. Good riddence.

Oh and that goal against Chelsea was a fluke; he could never do it again.
Michael Kenrick
12   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:20:27

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Beckford is a dreadful footballer, he has zero potential for improvement. Yes, somehow he scored 10 goals last season but looks completely out of place in the Premier League and had shown no indication of getting a single goal so far this season.

I think this is an excellent decision by David Moyes under the circumstances. I never felt comfortable watching Beckford in an Everton shirt and will be overjoyed to see the back of him.
Gavin Ramejkis
13   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:35:22

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Some really odd posts that have missed a few things, Beckford was never a lone striker and when given a partner looked half decent, yes not a Drogba or Torres but he cost nothing, Wilson's favourite player gets a contract and couldn't score in a brothel and in at least one post above I read he's a better player - are you fucking kidding? As for moaning on the pitch we've kept a fucking useless lump that does nothing but hold his back like an old woman and punches the floor after falling on his fat useless arse.

The sale was for business reasons, as said above we got offers and Moyes wanted shut, the 4m byt the way is dependant on clauses and I really doubt Everton got half of that up front.
John Daley
14   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:25:05

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"I think this is an excellent decision by David Moyes under the circumstances"

Really? Maybe, if he was able to bring in a decent replacement for him. This troll hunter he's picked up from the Argentinian league is more of a blind punt of faith than Beckford ever was. Has Moyes even seen him play? Did he know anything at all about him apart from the fact he's a forward and he was available on loan? Did he not realise he looked like Jason Voorhees younger brother but without the decency to wear a fucking hockey mask?

Apparently, his agent had been hawking him around English clubs, but there were no takers after he had flopped in a recent trial at Leicester. If Sven had the chance to take him (on loan I mean, not literally 'take' him. Although I wouldn't put it past the old pointy nosed perv) but declined, and instead chose to splash the cash on Beckford, then this suggests that the guy could seriously struggle to have any sort of impact for us.
John Audsley
15   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:47:55

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Look at the strikers we have on the books

anyone happy with that lot???

i aint, its fuckin appalling.

Worst set since having Angell, Barlow etc upfront
Mike Jones
16   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:53:35

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He wasn't very good
David Sheen
17   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:56:58

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@John Daley

Yes, Moyes watched the Argentine play as he said he knew Everton shown interested in him FIVE months ago.
Norman Turner
18   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:55:28

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great business by Moyes - Becks did a job (sort of) - scored a good goal (but used all of his career luck in the process!) but had absolutely no awareness in the box - and he is getting towards 30!! Result!!

Victor has to step up though - I have seen him play outstanding (rare but in Europe on the right he was MOM) so he needs to step up!

In Moyes I trust
David Sheen
19   Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:00:47

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Moyes for some reason doesn't like playing with any strikers half the time. I remember when we had five strikers fit and he never played one. Instead used Cahill and Fellaini as attacking threats.

Stracqualursi is 1000% better than Beckford in the air. He knows how to score with his head. And Drenthe was has loads of pace and is explosive. Something we desperately need. (he's potentially better than Pienaar) Real bought him for 14 million, but he just isn't suited to La Liga.

Beckford is a championship player. He will do well at Leicester but in the Premiership he will never score more than 10.
Kevin Hudson
20   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:52:40

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Michael - you're a balloon.

"Somehow Beckford scored 10 goals last season," and you are "overjoyed to see the back of him."

Let me remind you that Victor Anichebe has scored 13 goals since 2005. THIRTEEN GOALS IN SIX YEARS.

Great profit on Beckford, sure. But from an offensive perspective,we are significantly weakened as a result of the sale of this "dreadful footballer."
Gaute Lie
21   Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:56:29

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#11, Thomas.

Are you blind? Or are you really talking about Anichebe?
The moaning, bad attitude, it sounds just like Anichebe. Not Beckford.

Good business, though
James Bundza
22   Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:14:37

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i did not find selling him strange, because as some have already said we got a good offer for him. but the first thing i did think when i got the news was damm we could do with him next season when were trying to get back into prem.
Colin Hughes
23   Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:17:25

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Dont go on about this argentina lad as if he's better than what we have got, because none have us have heard of him.
One interesting report ive read, is that he plays like a centre back shoved up front, which doesn't sound promising, but i'll make my own mind up next week against villa if he's potentially better than the rest
Chris Butler
24   Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:19:03

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Nonsense! Beckford was a decent striker adapting to Premier League football. He scored numerous goals for Everton despite the fact he rarely started and he got lousy service. Nobody's arsed about Anichebe, we all know he's awful, I don't need the statistics to prove it.

Moyes will regret this decision. It's just typical that fans expect Beckford to bow down to Moyes and track back all the time. We now have virtually no strikers in the team. I've seen a lot of bad Everton players, Beckford wasn't one of them. Like AJ he has suffered from Moyes's negative tactics I think we'll regret this one.

Andrew Laird
25   Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:34:49

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Simple,

1: He cannot play as a lone striker which is all Moyes will ever play.

2: He makes Cahill look like Messi with his touch and skill.

3: He had a couple of spats (Reading, Wolves) with Mr David "I dont do forgiveness" Moyes.

4: We have debts to service.
Martin Handley
26   Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:36:10

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FFS boys give Denis the Argie a break at least give him 10 games before you slag him!
As for Becks another poster got it right his card was marked after the Wolves game.
I'm not going to slag him off as he scored some vital goals for us.
As for Anichebe working harder for the team fuck off! He's a lazy moaning useless pile of shite! Makes Emily Heskey look like Rooney! And he has a worse scoring record as well!
John Ford
27   Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:50:13

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The boy Kendrick is talking sense. Beckford was self obsessed which showed in his play - couldnt see a pass if it hit him in the head, had no interest in team play, couldnt control a bog o shite, piss poor vision. Arrogant in the extreme - borne of moderate success lower down and wasnt prepared to think and learn about his trade.
Nick Armitage
28   Posted 02/09/2011 at 23:12:25

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Michael - nothing baffling at all.

He was sold because he is shit.
Martin Handley
29   Posted 02/09/2011 at 23:12:09

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Take a look at Sky Sports with the official prem squad lists we have the smallest number with just 18 players ? and that includes Yobo, who we're still trying to flog to the turks.

Ok we don't have to declare the kids but only 18 senior pros... friggin hell!

Andy Crooks
30   Posted 02/09/2011 at 23:24:02

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Colin, you say you will make your mind up about the Argentine lad next week. I doubt it very much. If Moyes starts him I will be utterly gobsmacked. We will start with one striker and it will be Vic. I'd like to see Denis and Vic start up front together. I hate the stick some players get and I think with a run of games. which he has never had, Victor Anichebe will be fine.
Rob Hollis
31   Posted 02/09/2011 at 23:43:34

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I would love to be wrong about Anichibe but I think Tony Hibbert would be a more prolific striker and far less annoying with his moaning.
Mike Jones
32   Posted 02/09/2011 at 23:48:33

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Colin Hughes you say:

"Dont go on about this argentina lad as if he's better than what we have got, because none have us have heard of him"

Then you say:

"One interesting report ive read, is that he plays like a centre back shoved up front, which doesn't sound promising"

Either none of us have heard of him, or you (and therefore possibly some others of us) have read (or heard)about him (does 'heard' and 'read' mean the same thing even though they are different senses?).

In this respect, isn't a judgement that shouldn't be made yet being passed in your mailing; exactly the opposite of what you appear to be advocating?
Anthony Manning
33   Posted 03/09/2011 at 00:08:06

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Just a bit of food for thought, Beckford scored more goals last season than Anichibe "our secret weapon" has in his entire Everton career!
James Flynn
34   Posted 03/09/2011 at 00:09:53

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The thing that got me about Beckford was he possesses the most unusual and coveted skill in the game; he's a natural scorer. But he never tried to improve his game. He scored everywhere he played, including after a 2 League jump to the EPL. A weird one.

Hey, he gets more money moving down a League and agreed to it. Nuff said. Just a peculiar fellow.
Mark McDonald
35   Posted 03/09/2011 at 00:24:47

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Beckford gone! Forget him. Ok he done alright with 10 goals but that is what we paid him to do. He will score goals in the Championship just like Yakubu did last season.

Let get behind Denis. I hope he is explosive and lives up to his nickname, "El Traca" (The Firework).

I also hope Moyes plays him from the start v Villa and does not put Anichebe upfront by himself!
Ryan Rosenberg
36   Posted 03/09/2011 at 00:38:02

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Good business, I thought he was way out of his league in the EPL. But the striker situation is very worrying. Can we recall Joao Silva? 2 goals in 3 games in Portugal, better than Anichebe...
Dick Anderson
37   Posted 03/09/2011 at 01:08:53

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Andrew Laird

You claim David Moyes does not do forgiveness.

Dont you remember the training ground bust up Moyes had with Duncan Ferguson?

Moyes forgave that and made Duncan his Captain many times. Moyes also used Big Dunc frequently as a substitute right up until the end of his career even though truth be told Duncan probably should have retired a season earlier then he did.

And dont you remember last season when by all accounts David Moyes had a fist fight with Victor Anichebe on the training ground.

But Victor remains at the club. Victor remains a young player Moyes has a lot of faith in. In fact Moyes has been talking Victor up a lot recently.

Both Big Dunc and Victor Anichebe had major bust ups with Moyes and then went on to become firm favourites of his.

So your comment about Moyes being unforgiving is not really true.

Moyes can have a bust up and put it behind him. What I think Moyes hates is prolonged bad attitude and not giving 100%.

And lets be honest both Yakubu and Beckford were guilty of that.
Steve Simpson
38   Posted 03/09/2011 at 00:56:15

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We list five strikers in our senior squad but two do not get a mention in these posts. If they are only there to make up the numbers rather than to be contenders then the situation could be considered even worse than at first glance? However, look at our midfield strength and consider Mr Moyes preferred style of play maybe things not so bad ?
Eric Myles
39   Posted 03/09/2011 at 03:03:00

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What Daves 1 & 2 said.

The banks want their money back so anyone we got offers for was sold.
Kirk McArdle
40   Posted 03/09/2011 at 03:42:52

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I am sorry but when broken down like this I cannot see how this is not a good thing.

Arteta = 75,000 x 52 = 3,900,000 + 10,000,000
Yakubu = 55,000 x 52 = 2,860,000 + $1,500,000
Beckford = 15,000 x 52 = 780,000 + 4,000,000
Vaughan = 12,000 x 52 = 624,000 + 2,500,000

This totals a yearly saving in wages + the incoming transfer fees of 26,164,000.

A couple of weeks ago i was reading on this site that we should sell Jags and Rodwell and give all the money to the banks for the debts.

The above players being sold will not impact us as much as people think.

The biggest thing for me is if Moyes will have anything to spend in January. Or, if BK has thought "Sell some players. Pay off some debt. Maybe we become more attractive to potential buyers with less of a pre-loaded debt"

If this is the case, apart from the Chavski and Sheik City I think this would mean we have the least amount of debt of any Premier club.

Something had to give. We can only hope this is a catalyst for change.
Anto Byrne
41   Posted 03/09/2011 at 05:26:21

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We all know that Beckford was not the answer, hopefully Saha can get on the pitch and get some form because he is a class striker. We had Arteta for a good six years, probably his best years. We have all seen this player become gradually less effective. Maybe tactics I dont know but how many free kicks and corners in the last 18-months have gone to waste?
i just watched Cahill playing for Aus and he was woeful. It would be good if we can keep Yobo as cover he is still a very good player.
Anto Byrne
42   Posted 03/09/2011 at 05:26:21

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We all know that Beckford was not the answer, hopefully Saha can get on the pitch and get some form because he is a class striker. We had Arteta for a good six years, probably his best years. We have all seen this player become gradually less effective. Maybe tactics I dont know but how many free kicks and corners in the last 18-months have gone to waste?
i just watched Cahill playing for Aus and he was woeful. It would be good if we can keep Yobo as cover he is still a very good player.
Anto Byrne
43   Posted 03/09/2011 at 05:26:21

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We all know that Beckford was not the answer, hopefully Saha can get on the pitch and get some form because he is a class striker. We had Arteta for a good six years, probably his best years. We have all seen this player become gradually less effective. Maybe tactics I dont know but how many free kicks and corners in the last 18-months have gone to waste?
i just watched Cahill playing for Aus and he was woeful. It would be good if we can keep Yobo as cover he is still a very good player.
James Stewart
44   Posted 03/09/2011 at 05:35:31

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We GOT 2.5m up front for Beckford NOT 4m!!!

The rest is on add ons we may never see!

The irony is we replace him with a striker who was on trial at leicester and didn't impress. The mind boggles!

Beckford was a limited player but useful and brought us some wonderful solo goals last year. The ones against Chelsea stick in the memory. He offers more than Vic or Saha at present so I don't see the logic in it.
Jamie Crowley
45   Posted 03/09/2011 at 06:14:20

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raced all to the end of this after I read Gavin @13.

Agree completely with his sentiments.
Simon Smith
46   Posted 03/09/2011 at 08:02:37

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I feel gutted that we let Beckford go for fuck all money. To all those that say his touch was shite, well it may have been... but he still got 10 goals last year, how many more years are we going to have to wait for Victor to get 10 in a season???

Yes, he cost nothing and at the moment we have made 2.5m that's all but how the hell do we hang on with Victor when we get rid of players like Beckford?? This is one deal that's going to come back and bite Everton on the arse big time!

Jim Burns
47   Posted 03/09/2011 at 08:16:25

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Got him on a free
Made at least 2.5 m plus addons
Costing us a substantial wage bill but...
Out of his depth
Couldn't win or hold a ball to save his life
Questionable attitude and appalling work ethic off the ball
Poor finisher infront of goal
Could run fast
Instead -
We got a player on loan ( minimal outlay - maximum exposure to a wage bill if he doesn't make it -1 season)
Taller, more agressive, stronger and faster than Beckford.
Survived and scored in a very tough, rough league,
Unlike the aformentioned - Actually plays in the box and heads crosses - useful if you are a striker and have bainsey and coleman in your side.
Great piece of business and a no brainer.

Jim Burns
48   Posted 03/09/2011 at 08:28:08

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Spot on Kirk @39.
Billy Bradshaw
49   Posted 03/09/2011 at 08:37:29

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once beckford had the disagreement with moyes at wolves last season the writing was on the wall. Moyes wants his players to run themselves into the ground, he didnt and now hes gone.
GJ Butler
50   Posted 03/09/2011 at 09:39:02

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Jim @ 45. You judging all that based on a youtube clip or do you actually watch Argentinian football?



Jim Burns
51   Posted 03/09/2011 at 09:43:07

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GJ @ 48 .....fair point on the face of it - but to answer - I have a business partner based in Buenas Aires who feeds me regularly and ( for my sins) I had regular access to a box at Elland Rd and knew all about Beckford. The Man Utd Cup goal tended to blind a lot of people but there were many Leeds fans who were just as doubtful as me. Not being clever after the event I promise you, I've watched Beckford in hope as a season ticket holder plus all away games apart from one, and have been voicing my doubts for some time. Beattie aside ( and even he worked off the ball a bit)
I've never seen a more ineffective striker for some time. This new guy can't be any worse - ( can he??)
Sorry to sound so sure of myself - but I am.
Michael at 12 got it right.
Jim Burns
52   Posted 03/09/2011 at 09:52:45

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PS Hypothetical I know - but would any of us actually place a bet on Beckford scoring a hatrick against Boca Juniors?
Dave Wilson
53   Posted 03/09/2011 at 09:57:58

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See the Vic bashing stats men are out in force again.

Well if he`s going to be dragged into the debate lets ditch the stats and talk facts.

Despite never having the luxury of being able to just goal hang.

Despite having to recover from the klind of injury that has finished many a player.

Despite getting nowhere near the forward line for most of ther games he has played.

and Despite being six years younger.

Victor Anichebe has already scored more goals in his short career in a team in the top flight team , than Beckford has ever or will ever do

Just saying like.

Gavin

On these pages alone that is the FOURTH player somebody has claimed as my "favourite" player. The other three had about as much idea as you.

Your post get more pathetic. Our club is falling around our ears yet you STILL come on here on an almost daily Basis to whine about the same player. A player who started FIVE games last season.

YOU have the temerity to call HIM an arl woman ?

Paul Whittaker
54   Posted 03/09/2011 at 10:38:39

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Players like Beckford should never have the chance to play for a club like Everton. Harsh but true. We should have established internationals in every position with fellow internationals competing for their place every week.
Gavin Ramejkis
55   Posted 03/09/2011 at 10:36:20

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Dave you are the ONLY person that visits EVERY thread to look me up, arl woman? go find a mirror auld arse and oddly again you single me out, the OP is about a striker the club has decided to get shut of, the finance logic is the driver but to make some claim we'll be alright with what is left is laughable - you constantly make claims for Anichebe this Anichebe that, bad injury blah blah, well sorry Dave but reality is also reality, if he's got a bad injury which he was lucky to return from but was shit BEFORE he got it, unless he's gotten himself a bionic leg and a football brain implant you are talking bollocks, you simply cant polish a turd.

The statistics on Anichebe speak for themselves or you can sit at your computer with your fingers in your ears looking my posts up and shouting la la la la not listening.

You've just grabbed a stat yourself on Anichebe's career goals as 13 from a previous poster, since 2005 thats six years, find another Everton striker in the modern game that has scored 13 career goals in 6 years
Lori Fekete
56   Posted 03/09/2011 at 10:59:54

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Dave Wilson- fair point that he's had a bad injury and is often played out if position, but that doesnt disguise the fact HE'S FUCKING SHIT!

Back to the OP, 4m for Beckford was an offer they couldn't refuse. He's not suited for our one up front system, as his touch was touch and link play was shocking. He was however our only pacey forward, and was a good option for counter attacks, this should have been replaced but wasnt, and is s serious concern.

One south American correspondant says that 'The Strac' is a big and strong forward with a great touch, l

Lori Fekete
57   Posted 03/09/2011 at 11:35:48

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Dave Wilson- fair point that he's had a bad injury and is often played out if position, but that doesnt disguise the fact HE'S FUCKING SHIT!

Back to the OP, 4m for Beckford was an offer they couldn't refuse. He's not suited for our one up front system, as his touch was touch and link play was shocking. He was however our only pacey forward, and was a good option for counter attacks, this should have been replaced but wasnt, and is s serious concern.

One south American correspondent say that 'The Strac' is 'a big, strong centre forward with a great touch and is good in the air, loves being in the box so don't expect him dropping deep to collect the ball. '
Sounds just what we need, just hope he's any good. l

Lori Fekete
58   Posted 03/09/2011 at 11:43:23

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(apologies for the mistakes above. Fat fingers and an iPhone don't mix)
Nelly Verdonghan
59   Posted 03/09/2011 at 11:56:49

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A) Because he's fuckin awful...

B) Because that's his level and he is
well aware of it....
Phil Dyson
60   Posted 03/09/2011 at 11:35:42

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Beckford and Anichebe are both shite! Neither of them anywhere near good enough for this club. The sooner Victor also goes the better.
Ste Blundell
61   Posted 03/09/2011 at 12:32:20

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Apparently Sven had Stracqualursi on trial at Leicester but didn't rate him. Then he bought Beckford and we got Strac, hmmm. I'm not going to read too much into this though as Sven is a shite manager.
Kevin Hudson
62   Posted 03/09/2011 at 12:06:03

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Dave you're like a moth to the flame!

Everytime a justified observation surrounding Vic's poor return surfaces,you pounce to defend him.

"Despite getting nowhere near the forward line for most of the games he has played." That's rubbish. MOST of his appearances HAVE been up front. Show me the stat that tells me how often he HASN'T played near the forward line.

Regarding the 5 starts last season-he came of the bench 13 times too. You failed to mention this,as it weakens your argument,as you well know,

Regarding the wing, do you think if we had a bigger squad,and more qualified personnel, AND if he was such a fantastic striker,Moyes WOULD use him this way?

Just as comparison,let's take a look at the records of recent Everton strikers: Some of which-despite having a SUPERIOR SRTIKE RATE,were still considered shit..

Beattie: 13 goals in 70 apps
Johnson: 17 goals in 61 apps.
Barlow: 10 goals in 71 apps.
Madar: 6 goals in 19 apps.
Moore: 8 goals in 52 apps.

Anichebe:13 goals in 120 apps.

Go ahead - continue to defend mediocrity.
Jarrod Prosser
63   Posted 03/09/2011 at 12:44:45

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'Beckford would struggle to finish his dinner' - love it!

Sadly, it's dead right. The guy has a dreadful touch & composure of a geek on a first date.

What he does do well, is run - both his pace & effort were good, but it's his actual runs that i liked. He really had a knack for making a late run between the centre halves. That created a lot of chances - which of course meant he missed a lot of chances.

Essentially, he'd score 10 every year in the prem based on the # of chances he creates. But a better striker will score 15 with half the chances.

Championship is his level.
Dave Wilson
64   Posted 03/09/2011 at 12:32:25

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Gavin Ramejkis

Anichebe has been used on the left, he`s been used on the right, he has also been used by Moyes as what I can only describe as a half way line battering ram. He has never played as an out and out striker - somebody like Loius, The Yak or Beckford who`s sole responsibilty is to get in the box and score goals.

Now many Evertonians who watch Everton think he`s shite - fair do`s, but they also recognise the roles he`s been asked to play . . you seem completely incapable of doing this.

This isnt about the guys ability -or the lack of- Its about you invading thread after thred to spout idiotic stats that you know fucken well are distorted.

The guy played TWO games in the first of the six seasons you babble about and has struggled with injury for the past three.
WHICH BIT OF THAT IS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO TAKE IN ?

There are people who come on this site whos posts I respect and DO look out for, but contrary to your claims, you aint one of them.


I believe everyone has the right even duty to give an honest opinion of our players, but when you repeatedly bring the same mindless stats to completely unrelated threads about a guy who has been no more than a bit part player, then IMO it goes way beyond the norm.

Most people just call him shite and move on,

Oh and btw, just to blow your other theory to bits. scroll; back to post 13. It was YOU who called Me into the thread . .so spare me the little victim act
Dave Wilson
65   Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:13:43

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Kevin

Are you too reading some invisible posts here ?

PLease show me where the fuck ANYBODY calls him a fantastic striker ? or says anything about his playing ability ?

This has got fuck all to do with the guys ability, its got everything to do with the fucken idiotic stats that make out he`s the Devil incarnate.

Our club is falling to pices and all you can do is whine like fuck about somebody who played seven hours footy last season.




Dave Wilson
66   Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:23:55

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That Hargreaves is dogshit.

the prick cost a fortune and has only got one goal for Man U . . .EVER !
Adam Bennett
67   Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:28:07

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Dirk Kuyt and Victor Anichebe have scored the same number of goals at Goodison Park.
James Stewart
68   Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:41:11

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Dave just to let me clarify....

Do you actually think Anichebe is a good player?

Personally I find the stats argument irrelevant. He is one of the laziest players I have ever seen at Everton and spends most of his time on the floor regardless of whether he is on the wing or up front.

He is built like an ox but simply does not use his attributes (size!) to any advantage. One of the worst players we have had and a terrible attitude to boot.
Stephen Kenny
69   Posted 03/09/2011 at 14:09:15

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Jim,

I would because he's proven he can score goals at a much higher level. Denis has proven nothing except he looks a big yard dog on Youtube.

And your analysis of Beckford along with Michael's comments are a joke. Almost all bar the fact he couldn't hold the ball up are bare faced lies.

The fact that Sven who has managed and won trophied right across european football wouldn't touch him and instead spent up to 4m on Jermaine tells me everything I need to know.
Dave Wilson
70   Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:53:34

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James.

He was never going to be a 20 or even 15 goal a season man, but as a youngster I thought he`d be another Heskey.

Heskey too gets abuse, he is hardly prolific either, but successive England managers and some of the best club managers played him.

These type of players are not Glamorous, or popular with the fans their game is about Muscle and as a consequence you will often see them on their arses.

Vic hasnt developed the way I`D hoped, but I think time is still on his side.

I watched him come back on - twice - at St james park. They guys leg was broken and I watched him struggle on for ten minutes at St Andrews with an injury that forced him out again for a long time. I dont think there`s anything wrong with his bravery.

The simple answer to your question has to be No, he has clearly not yet lived up to earlier promise.

let me ask you a question ;

Have you ever known a bit part player take so much abuse from an element of their own fans and do you feel its acceptable for people to continually put the boot into one of our own players . . whether he has played or not ?

I personally feel it shames my club

Kevin Hudson
71   Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:35:26

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That's TWO people you've accused of "whining," now Dave,

So why is it that EVERY time someone states how poor a player Victor is,you rush on to remonstrate? People are entitled to their opinion,are they not?

They are entitled to present you with "fucken idiotic stats."

Such as the stat that Joe-Max MOORE, Stuart BARLOW & Michael MADAR all have a BETTER strike rate than ANICHEBE.

Can you find me a stat indicating a worse strike rate for an Everton centre-forward since Brett Angell?

Steve Watson doesn't count..

Doesn't this blow your wafer-thin argument to pieces?

You state that in Anichebe's "short," career, he has already scored more goals in a top flight team than Beckford ever will.

Newsflash Dave: Vic has scored one goal LESS in the EPL than Beckford.

Anichebe EPL: 7 goals in 92 apps.

Beckford EPL: 8 goals in 32 apps.

I said IF he was such a fantastic player, would Moyes play him on the wing?

It's also fascinating to note that unlike Beattie, Johnson,Yakubu, Vaughan, Saha & Beckford, NOT ONE club has offered to sign Anichebe..

Why..?
Stephen Kenny
72   Posted 03/09/2011 at 14:13:29

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Costing us a substantial wage bill - Considering his contribution and he was sought after and came on a free quite low.
Out of his depth - No he weren't, he averaged 1 in 2. If he started more he would have scored more.

Couldn't win or hold a ball to save his life - so what? Any manager who asks a striker who's about 5'8 and 10 stone to jump for headers and hold the ball up is an idiot!

Questionable attitude and appalling work ethic off the ball - Greedy, yes so was Lineker, Rush and Van Nistelrooy and loads of others who played purely to score. Moaned when subbed? Always wants to play, Shame more never had that attitude.

Appalling work ethic off the ball? Far from it. Clearly you don't understand how the game works, I haven't seen a striker play for Everton who made as much space for others through making intelligent runs off the ball dragging defenders all over the place, shame the team weren't set up to take advantage.

Poor finisher in front of goal - Missed a few scored a few more, no better or worse than lots of other strikers at this level, most of the chances that came his way he made himself
Dave Wilson
73   Posted 03/09/2011 at 14:39:59

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Kevin

When you say it blows my argument to bits, do you actually understand what my argument is ? it isnt diffcult . .read the posts lad.

Do you want to play idiotic stat Tennis ???

I could tell you that not since Gray and Sharp has ANY Everton player scored as many goals in Europe.

I could point to the results of the games Anichebe did start last season like the ones at City . .or Anfield.

I could also say that we`ve lost every single game we`ve started without Vic this season . .or won every single one we started with him.

Do you get it ?

Try to grasp what the argument is ffs. its not about whether Vic has scored more than Messi at St Andrews

Its not about the player, its about the incredibly distrorted criticism one individual takes for just about everything wrong at this club

Do you honestly think Its Anichebe`s fault that Beckford left ?

The guy was offered double his wages and if he`d have been fired out of a fucken cannon he couldnt have left any quicker
Nick Taylor
74   Posted 03/09/2011 at 14:56:05

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I am personally glad to see the back of him. Yes if we had a powerful squad he could be tolerated similar to the way we used Paul Wilkinson in the mid eighties coming on as sub when we are controlling games etc. But in our present situation we need much more from every player than knocking the odd goal in.

The flaws in his game are obvious to anyone who knows anything about footbal: poor control, lack of awareness, inability to hold the ball, average work rate and attitude.

Put this way are Beckford, Anichebe and Yakubu for that matter capable of scoring 20 odd goals in the Argentine top flight?

I think no is the answer your looking for, So role on next Saturday and good luck to the new lads.
Stephen Kenny
75   Posted 03/09/2011 at 15:17:54

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Nick,

How do you know if any of those players would score twenty in a sub standard league full of dross?
Gavin Ramejkis
76   Posted 03/09/2011 at 17:10:29

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Dave, to use your own analogy of trawling the site to call me out for having an opinion that Anichebe is shite ? and you seem to be in a very small minority supporting him ? then yes, #13 IS a direct call to you, unless of course you can point me in the other member of the Anichebe fan club?

Anichebe is employed at Everton Football Club as a striker; he's shite... not going to sugar-coat it, he's fucking shite. His record in Europe you claim should ? as you lovingly like to point out ? should be put in context as you are speculating that no strikers at Everton "could" have scored more European goals than him as Everton hadn't played in Europe for years.

Stick to the arguments that actually hold water Dave, they are sometimes worth a read; your Anichebe canonisation crusade sadly isn't.
Kevin Hudson
77   Posted 03/09/2011 at 17:03:05

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I think your problem lies in being wierdly over-protective,Dave.

Injuries & square-peg assignments aside, you ARE talking out of your arse,and presenting a piss-weak argument. Pointing out a handful of good appearances only reinforces the amount of times he HASN'T delivered.

Why do you fanatically defend the boy when his contribution to the club has been so ineffectual? Whose strike rate is over 1 in 10?

I've looked at your arguments,and your only problem appears to be dismay that he's not appreciated enough by many Evertonians. Because poor Victor is a local,he's somehow entitled to more leeway,or that we're too harsh on him for being Scouse.That we're all bastards for having ran out of patience with him.

You don't come across as objective,as your argument seems emotionally-fuelled. It's nothing personal - it is statistical. It is valid to question a player's contribution..The only one personalising it - is YOU. Why should the guy be immune from scrutiny? Is he,or you,that fragile?

I'm not blaming him for being a bad player. I'm just saying - he's a bad player!

Now,despite already offering stats of your own, you're NOW claiming that stats don't matter.So let me ask you some spin-free questions: I dare you to answer ALL questions,honestly.

Were you a fan of Barlow, Max-Moore or Madar - or were they average strikers?

Does it not influence your perception of Anichebe,that their strike rate was superior to his?

Was Anichebe touted as a utility player-or is he SUPPOSED to be a striker?

If he was banging them in,would Moyes play him on the wing?

How many more chances should we give him,before exausting every possibility,and getting rid?

For what reason do we remember,and revere,Dixie Dean?

As you previously said: " Most people call him shite,and move on." Myself & others have done this. But you WON'T let us move on.

However,in football,the STATS DO MATTER. As they distinguish between success & failure.
Dave Wilson
78   Posted 03/09/2011 at 19:18:02

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Gavin I will say this one more time.

I am not supporting Anichebe, I am opposing your half witted an relentless efforts to bring Anichebe into threads that have nothing to do with him. I`m opposing you spiteful attacks on a player who half the time hasnt even played.

there`s is no Anichebe fan club on this thread as you claim, just somebody who sees you relentless bollocks for what it is. You wont find me challenging anybody calling Anichebe shite and moving on, but if you want to try and pass off your relentless presentation of idiotic stats -even in unrelated threads - as mere opinion, then you can have no objection if I reply with an equally distorted and half witted stat.

The trouble is, unlike you I would know they`re Distorted and half witted and unlike you I have a squad full of other players I want to criticise / praise


Andrew Laird
79   Posted 03/09/2011 at 20:11:38

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Dick #37 I think the point is that if you do it publicly you are never looked on in the same light. I dont think I am being harsh on Moyes there.

Are these "fist fights" fact or hearsay? I'd love to know how anybody would know this unless they personally witnessed it. Everton is a closed shop and has been for a very long time in regards to information.
Dave Wilson
80   Posted 03/09/2011 at 19:53:59

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Kevin Hudson.

I have tried several time to explain the argument, but you seem incapable of grasping it.

In an attempt to demonstrate the futility of worthless stats I gave you a few of my own . .but what did you do ? you came back with EVEN MORE.

You really do want to play "worthless stat" tennis. WTF ?

ONE MORE TIME :

This is not about Anichebe. Its about feeling a real sense of injustice when one Guy is constantly singled out by people like Ramejkis.

Ive had this "your president of the Hibbert/ Ossie / Rodwell fan club" before.

It doesnt matter who the player is . .and get this ; it doesnt matter where he is from . When an individual si being singled out I fucken hate it.

Not only is it totally unjust, its incredibly fucken stupid and it allows the "untouchables" to get away with murder.

I believe that any logical thinking person who knew how many minutes Ancihebe has actually spent on the pitch would be staggered by the disproportionate amount of stick he takes.


Kevin Hudson
81   Posted 03/09/2011 at 20:24:39

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"In fact Moyes has been talking Victor up a lot recently." - said Dick Anderson in post 37.

Do you think this bullshit from Moyes had nothing to do with the fact he knew he was offloading Yak & Becks, leaving us dangerously wafer-thin up front?

For me it's blatant spin that deliberately ignores Vic's dreary stats to back up his apparent bullishness.

Joe McMahon
82   Posted 03/09/2011 at 20:35:17

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I mentioned this on another thread, but it's so relevant i'll say it agin.

Why have we kept a striker who has scored 7 premiership goals in over 90 games, when we sold for a small amount a striker who scored 8 premiership goals (not including the shot over the line against Villa) in 32 games and in those 32 many were 5 mins as sub?

The Moyes and strikers debate will roll on until he leaves this club.
Kevin Hudson
83   Posted 03/09/2011 at 20:38:20

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Seriously,Dave.

I'm just buzzin' off you now..
Dave Wilson
84   Posted 03/09/2011 at 21:01:16

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Seriously Kev

when surveyed, nine out of ten cats thought the idea of using stats to try to establish a point was as naive as it was stupid.
Kevin Hudson
85   Posted 03/09/2011 at 21:08:39

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Ten out of ten cats could un-pick your rationale,

A reminder:

Striker/part-time winger - Anichebe: 13 goals in 120 apps.

Compared to wingers:

Nevin: 21 goals in 148 apps.
McMahan: 14 goals in 120 apps.
Richardson: 20 goals in 145 apps.
Beagrie: 17 goals in 143 apps.
McFadden: 19 goals in 139 apps.

Now get this:
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Defenders:

Steve Watson: 14 goals in 125 apps.
Mountfield: 24 goals in 153 games.

But you think facts are stupid..?

You dismiss all of the evidence,and ignore my questions. You think Anichebe is victimised.

Face it Dave - you've been battered..
Kevin Hudson
86   Posted 03/09/2011 at 21:40:13

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Check the evidence,

Gray, Lineker, Cottee, Sharp, Beardsley, Barlow, Rideout, Stuart, Amokachi, Ferguson, Max-Moore, Madar, Speed, Barmby, Campbell, Radzinski, McBride, Donovan, Beattie, Johnson, Beckford, Cahill, Yakubu...

All with better conversion rates than St Vic.

History thus far records him as one of the most unproductive Everton strikers to have played in recent memory.

Apart from Brett Angell.
Danny Broderick
87   Posted 03/09/2011 at 21:23:46

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Anichebe couldn't score in a brothel. Beckford at least gets you goals. He was our best striker last season. That was not good business for me.
Harvey Miller
88   Posted 03/09/2011 at 21:18:11

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Actually , any minute Anichebe spends on the pitch is too much. He's no PM level player, about the worst Everton center forward ever.
A big guy with a little guy attitude, he's always tough against small defenders but when a bigger man comes by he hides.
Very poor touch, no real pace and understanding of the game.
In this case the STATISTICS show only what the fact is: NO GOALS last year. Very poor goal ratio overall.
Moyes should get rid of Vic in the next window but I fear there will be no takers.
I just hope Vellios, and McAleny will get their chances, they might not do it even if they get played but 'Big Vic' sure is not the answer!
James Flynn
89   Posted 04/09/2011 at 00:19:07

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Dave (80 and previous) - For what it's worth, I get it. And you're right. It's about the team winning or losing, not any one player.

Not sure why, but some here insist Vic is a scorer (and so an utter failure), which he's clearly not now or has been.
Nick Taylor
90   Posted 04/09/2011 at 08:14:05

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Stephen #75,

You mean the substandard league and culture of football which has spawned 3 of the current top 10 best players in the world and play a style of football at international level which is about 10 years more advanced than ours?

Remember the Villarreal game at Goodison in 2005 ? half their side where Arengtinian and we couldn't get near them. Someone like Beckford who plays 1-2s in installments would be put on as sub and withdrawn after 5 minutes if he played over there.
Sean McCarthy
91   Posted 04/09/2011 at 09:50:50

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Beckford and Anichebe are as shite as each other ? regardless of anyone's fancy stats, that is the bottom line. Beckford wasn't good enough. Anichebe isn't good enough.

Surely at the end of the day we should be asking are these players good enough for Everton Football Club? No end of stats is going to convince me or I suspect the majority of others on here that they were/are or ever will be.

If Denis or Vellios step up to the plate over the next few months, I fully expect Anichebe to be one of the next to leave as Moyes will then know he has enough better players at his disposal and 'Big Vic' can go find his level in Championship or League One.

Mick Davies
92   Posted 05/09/2011 at 13:49:07

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"Good business, I thought he was way out of his league in the EPL." Really? Well considering it was his first season 2 levels higher than what he'd been playing at, plus he was playing a demanding and unfamiliar role, and the EPL is supposed to be the best in the world then 10 goals with limited playing time doesn't look that bad. His final game gave me hope that he was now comfortable at this level, and to score in 2 games against one of the title contenders proves he was not out of his depth. Makes me wonder what some of you "blues" expect from our skint club. Are you anticipating a january bid for Suarez, or Ronaldo? Wake up and smell the toffee lads, he was about the best we could have wished for and now he's gone. Hope you are all happy watching another freebie taking a season to adapt and then moving on, hardly conducive to a stable side eh

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