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How To Move The Club Forward

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We have spent a lot of time recently talking about the financial straight jacket we are in. We have had protest marches which themselves create negativity around the club, even if you agree with their ideals.

Maybe it is now the time to look how we as fans can come up with ideas that may benefit the club financially. I did hear a proposal a while back from a fan who suggested, seeing as banks are paying very little interest on people's savings, why not open an account for the fans to help? This would be set up so fans could transfer to an Everton saving account were the club could borrow many against the funds in the account.

There would have to be strict rules on how any money raised could be spent. Maybe we could ask Terry Leahy to run the fund independent of anyone connected with the club. This wouldn't cost the fans any money but would let the club borrow against the fund. Also maybe we could suggest that all employees of Everton have their salaries paid into this account.

We could also have a 3/5 year season ticket price, which again would give the club extra funds. I know some clubs have used a bond scheme which may also be considered.

I am sure many people a lot smarter than me will come on and point out the pitfalls of such schemes, but I think it is time for the fans to do something rather than waiting for our sugar daddy to turn up.

Brian Harrison, Liverpool     Posted 28/09/2011 at 10:06:42

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Tom Jones
1   Posted 28/09/2011 at 13:50:47

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Some good ideas there, Brian, but I wouldn't pay anything into an account controlled by Terry 'Kirkby or Death' Leahy. For me, the man is a liar out for personal gain, or another BK stooge at worst.
Brian Waring
2   Posted 28/09/2011 at 14:20:28

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Tell you what, I'm a bit short. If I post up my bank details you could all have your wages paid directly into there.
Declan O'Shaughnessy
3   Posted 28/09/2011 at 14:42:16

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I like your idea of a savings account Brian. I don't know (or have any idea) how many Everton fans have Cash ISAs, but you could run a scheme whereby the loss of interest on your savings is offset by a reduction in the cost of season tickets / match-day tickets / merchandise etc.

Sadly, I think Tom's response above pretty much illustrates why you won't get traction with this idea (not having a personal "dig" here Tom). You will never, ever get a critical mass of Everton fans to agree on anything. Whilst some see fit to, for example, give Terry Leahy a peerage, others see him as a "liar" or "BK stooge".

I honestly think being an Everton fan goes hand in hand with being a contrarian, and refusing to agree with general consensus. The general consensus has David Moyes as almost genius-like in his managerial capabilities. Many Everton fans think he's clueless. The general consensus has "Destination Kirkby" as broadly a good thing for Everton Football Club. Many, or perhaps most, Everton fans saw it as devisive at best, a terrible proposal at worst.

This isn't to argue the rights and wrongs of respective and personal opinions, it's just to say that we're not a bunch of fans much given to clubbing together and fighting a common cause. We don't speak with one voice. And that may be a good thing - it certainly makes it harder to manipulate the "voice" of the fans. It just also makes it harder to effect change. C'est la vie.
Brian Harrison
4   Posted 28/09/2011 at 14:49:56

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Tom Jones only suggested Terry Leahy but anyone who has the trust of the fans is fine by me.

Brian #2 ? nice try.
Mike Elbey
5   Posted 28/09/2011 at 15:33:22

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Why should the supporters put their money in to help the club when the board of directors who actually own the club do nothing.

If we put money in it only makes the club worth more to twats like Kenwright, Green etc.

I tell you what, why dont the board instigate a rights issue, thats a sure fire way of generating cash. However we all know this wont happen as it will either mean them putting their hands in their pockets or dilluting their ownership, neither of which they will do.

Our problems are 100% down to the board, all other premier clubs have owners who will at least under-write transfers etc - we have a board that is un-willing to do anything and we will continue on the slippery slope until they are gone.

Maybe when gates are down to about 25k by January they will finally realise they are killing this club.
Rupert Sullivan
6   Posted 28/09/2011 at 15:56:52

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Mike I agree completely. I wrote to Kenwright 18 months ago suggesting that he sell the club to a Fan Association ? thereby the club could be owend by the fans. No response was what I got.

Let's face it, if Kenwright really wanted to sell, there are any number of ways of doing it, the man is blinkered and possibly further hampered by the fellow board members.

I also believe that the Club requires new leadership in main areas ? CEO, Board, and above all Press Relations.

I for one am not willing to provide money to the idiots currently in charge. I would however be willing to entertain a Share scheme with fellow fans.

Think on, 'Blue Bill'.
Ciarán McGlone
7   Posted 28/09/2011 at 16:47:09

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Terry Leahy?

Is this the same Terry Leahy who tried to piggy back the club in order to faciliate a move to a shabbily considered ground - for the benefit of Tescos?

Tony I'Anson
8   Posted 28/09/2011 at 18:07:49

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We're getting close to launching the Trust Everton website. We promise it will be live soon, so please bear with us.
Brian Waring
9   Posted 28/09/2011 at 18:31:15

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Brian (#4) God loves a trier.
Andy Crooks
10   Posted 28/09/2011 at 19:01:59

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Declan,"being an Evertonian goes hand in hand with being a contrarian". What on earth on Toffeeweb could make you think that?
Mike Green
11   Posted 28/09/2011 at 19:58:04

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Looking forward to it Tony (8), nice one.
Dennis Stevens
12   Posted 28/09/2011 at 22:55:21

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Great news Tony - hopefully this will be one area where all Evertonians will be able to unite for the long term good of the club.
Robbie Shields
13   Posted 29/09/2011 at 03:46:01

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Great news Tony, can't wait for it.

I posted some thoughts a few months ago, when the Arab Spring was in full flow, that basically said that WE hold the power and that we could expedite Kenwright?s departure, ensure little profit was obtained by the current 'investors' and have Everton owned by all Evertonians, if a sizeable number of fans acted together.

It goes like this.......

1) Stop putting money into the club, don't go to home matches (Excluding the Derby obviously)
2) Don't buy club merchandise
3) Divert all funds you WOULD have spent to a central Evertonians Fund (See Tony's Trust Everton proposal which looks to be close to getting off the ground)

What this would do, in a very short period of time IF a significant number of blues followed this template, would be the same as what has happened during the Arab spring.

Panic would quickly set in at Goodison, the value of Everton as a viable Company would start going down whilst at the same time the fund would be going up.

Worst case scenario is we all get blamed for the mighty blues being relegated if that did indeed happen. However, that may be to our advantage in the LONG term. Administration would invariably ensue, the 'Investors' would have control of the club wrestled from their hands and the Trust Everton funds could be used to help in buying the club back off the administrators.

Sometimes the medicine can be very hard to swallow, but worth it in the end.

BTW, I am not saying I want us to be relegated BEFORE I am lambasted by any other blues, I am simply saying that IF we were (Which might happen even if the status quo continues anyway) we would be in a position to assist in buying the club off the Administrators, and Kenwright, Earl and Green wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

Also, half of this is already happening!!!!! Gates are down MASSIVELY due to a significant number of blues not wishing to spend any more money on the current regime in charge. We need those funds to be saved for our future and not just lost.

Constructive comments please.........
David Jenkins
14   Posted 29/09/2011 at 06:53:36

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It's early so I may be missing something, but why are you expecting Everton employees to work for free?

Or do you mean paid FROM the account?
Brian Harrison
15   Posted 29/09/2011 at 09:34:36

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David 14

Yes I did mean their salaries would be paid through this account, I did not expect them to work for free. Just thought if some of our highly paid stars' salary was paid into this account, it would boost the funds.

Look guys, this was just an idea for us fans to do something positive as most of the things that some fans have been doing lately has been a bit negative, although they will say it's for a positive outcome.

I think fans should remember this is our club and the current directors are only custodians for a brief period in time. I just thought that this would have been one way of helping the club and it wouldn't cost the fans money to transfer their savings to an account that would benefit the club ? our club.

Obviously me mentioning Terry Leahy's name as upset some fans, I don't really care who runs the account as long as they're Evertonians and have some idea of how to run a business.
Mike Elbey
16   Posted 29/09/2011 at 15:32:05

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Brian,

Unfortunately its not our club.

the club is owned by the shareholders and the majority shareholders effectively run the business - its their club.

The problem we've got is that they dont want to invest any money to take the club forward. That in itself is fine, why should they .... the problem i have is not that they are unwilling to invest further but that they are unwilling to sell.

They are holding onto the club and waiting for the value to rise so as to maximise the profit they will make - that has to be their sole aim otherwise the club would have been sold as soon as Kirby collapsed. At the moment they obviously want more than the club is worth so they have 2 options. Sell at less than desired or hold on and wait for the next TV deal and see where they are.

Kenwright may be a big blue but as far as i can see he is just the front man - its Green and Earl that own Everton and neither give a fuck apart from what they can make out of us.
Eugene Ruane
17   Posted 29/09/2011 at 16:00:45

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Mike (16) it is NOT their club.

I don't say this from some mad, outraged, narked position.

I say it because it is a fact.

THEY might own the shares, THEY might have the titles and access to the bevvy trolly etc, but the club is most definitely ours.

If the board don't go to the game, that's 5 empty seats and nobody notices

If we don't go, that's an empty ground and EVERYONE notices.

And if we don't buy all their replica tat and if we don't pay for Everton telly and if we don't buy cup tickets etc.

It won't happen (until we're REALLY in the shite) because we're (me included!) lazy and disorganized, but we actually DO have power.

And remember, its not who has power, but who is prepared to use it.

It is AMSOLUTELY true to say without us, Everton FC simply does not exist.
Noel Lynam
18   Posted 29/09/2011 at 17:56:05

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Eugene,

While it's true to say that without us, there is no Everton, the fact is that they do own the club, whether you or I like it or not.

If Kenwright owns a theatre and people pay to watch shows, it doesn't make it their theatre. It still belongs to Kenwright, even if people stop attending shows.

We (you, I, other Evertonians) are, to the owners, paying customers.

Rupert,

Did you seriously expect a response to that suggestion you emailed?
Martin Mason
19   Posted 30/09/2011 at 05:11:13

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Everton have no commercial clout and I believe the only way that they can raise money is to have a rights issue and let us fans invest and have some say in how the club is run. This will also make the moaners shut up or put up. The board has no obligation to put any more money in than their intial investment (of course they have put some money in themselves, they bought the shares that gave them control).

It would result in a strong fan base which could give us a very strong voice, eliminate the split between fans and stop the current confusion that what is in reality a vociferous minority actually represent the wishes of the majority of Evertonians.

I've had a few good years working abroad and would willingly put in BJ 10K to repay the club for the pleasure they have given me over 50 years. Surely there are others that would also invest especially among the massive diaspora of toffees around the world.

We should then make a rule that anybody who doesn't go to the game or isn't a shareholder and who criticises only from having their fat arses on a sofa watching the game on TV can have no say on anything. Those having genuine financial hardship would be exempted of course.
Mike Elbey
20   Posted 30/09/2011 at 09:50:08

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Eugene,

I respect your opinion but dissagree with you. The shareholders DO own the club, its their club. If they were voted in they would be merely custodians but they are not, they are self appointed.

However they want to run the club we have no say and as such no influence. Yes we can protest by not going to the game and not buying merchendise but at the end of the day they can still decide to hold onto the club even if this happens.

Martin, i accept that they have spent some money by buying the shares but they have not invested in the club. They have put no money into the club whatsoever, their only outlay has been to buy the shares and as such that money went to the previous shareholders.

It is like they have bought a house on the basis that some massive development was going to occur that would significantly increase the value of the house - their intention was always, in my opinion, to immediately sell after that development. The development never happenned and they are left with an asset that they dont want. They have tried to sell but no-one is willing to pay what they want. They have 2 options, they either keep hold of the house, only spend money on basic repairs as they are required, and wait for the market value to increase. Or they invest in the property, make it more sellable and as such increase the chance of a better selling price. We all want them to do the latter but unfortunately they are doing the former. They are releasing no money to improve the asset they own and are effectively relying on David Moyes ability to keep us competitive, which he will do but it will be awfull to watch.

We can go on strike if we want, it wont make any difference, the only way these twats will sell is when someone offers them an amount that will give them the profit they want out of their purchase, simple as that.

Trevor Mackie
21   Posted 30/09/2011 at 10:27:24

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Mike

Using your house analogy, they own the bricks - we supply the electricity and water..

Without us it's derelict.

Make no mistake if we went "on strike" it'd make a difference.
Mike Elbey
22   Posted 30/09/2011 at 12:18:07

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Trevor,

It would only make a difference if they wanted it to. They own the club, they do not have to sell if they dont want to.

I accept that if we went 'on strike' it may make them want to sell a bit more than they do now but it would not guarantee that they would sell.

The more likely outcome of attendances dropping is that they will just sell more players to cover the cost of the falling gates. Earl and Green do not give a flying fuck about Everton and if selling Fellaini and Barkley maintains their 'investment' then that is what they will do.

So we can go on 'strike' if we want, it will only increase the liklihood of players bveing sold.
Paul burns
23   Posted 30/09/2011 at 12:31:28

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Lets not forget who got Earl and Green involved, the proven liar masquerading as a chairman.

The buck stops with him.

Martin Mason
24   Posted 30/09/2011 at 12:39:03

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Fair comments guys and I tend to agree that stopping buying the product is the way to bring about change as it could fortce them to sell at a lower price. The problem is that we are not doing what it says on the can and supporting the club. It may also make us less sellable. I also worry that what we get next is not in the best interest of EFC and us supporters and it just may be that BK is honest in this respect in not wanting to sell to just anybody.

Hopefully it'll all work out well in the end although for the first time I fear the worst.
Brian Harrison
25   Posted 30/09/2011 at 19:21:16

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I am afraid it seems as if some fans always want to turn any suggestions raised as another chance to have a go at Kenwright. I just thought it was an idea for the fans to do something positive for our club. By the way, the fans might not financially own the club but emotionally they do.

As far as some fans are concerned they believe that there is a buyer out there. I am afraid I don't share their opinion, and most financial analysts don't share their opinion either.

Oh unless you are talking asset strippers, and I am sure there are a few of them about. But finding a buyer with the wealth to move Everton to a place were we could challenge for the Premier League? I don't think one exists.
Mike Elbey
26   Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:20:03

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You are right about one thing Brian, there are plenty of asset strippers out there. How about True Blue Holdings ?
Mike Elbey
27   Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:20:03

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You are right about one thing Brian, there are plenty of asset strippers out there. How about True Blue Holdings ?

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