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Being a bit long in the tooth, I can recall England actually winning the World Cup (yes, I know, England actually won something)!!

Due to failing memory and ale induced amnesia, I faintly recall a tour of South America by our England team (this was after we won the World Cup), but I think it was the ex-Fulham and Tottenham player Alan Mullery commenting on being on the bus somewhere in the slums of Buenos Aires, as it wended its way through the dead dogs at the roadside, that, although he could not condone the behaviour of the Argentinian team in the 66 game against England, he could, nevertheless, understand why someone with gifted feet would not want to return to that kind of life, particularly if he could extricate his wife and.family from that sort of social entrapment?

I have no idea of the backgrounds of the likes of Suarez and Tevez, but is there perhaps a smidgeon of sympathy for these sort of characters who have risen to be the cream of their nations' ambition-driven achievers, or is their determination to obtain financial security for their families crushing the life out of "fair play" amongst the Western European softies?

John Brennan, Washington Tyne and Wear     Posted 04/10/2011 at 17:54:33

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Ian Tunstead
1   Posted 05/10/2011 at 03:30:46

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I was just wondering if there are any Everton fans out there who are good at editing video clips of football, like the ones you see on YouTube.

I thought It might be interesting if someone could compile a video of all the times we have been cheated against Liverpool. From the tackles of Kuyt on Neville, Gerrard on Naysmith that didn?t receive the red card they deserved, or sending?s off like Rodwell?s that should not have been allowed to stand.

It could include the goal that never was when Graham Poll disallowed Don Hutchinson's goal.

It doesn?t only have be Liverpool games, the Collina, Villa Real game could be thrown in there and a few other instances like the Nolan tackle on Anichebe.

I thought it would be a good idea, because other fans must think we are bitter and making things up. We need to show the world how we are being treated like idiots and that they are not going to get away with it.

Maybe if people put some ideas down on here someone can dig out the clips from somewhere and show people what has been going on for years and how corrupt the game really is.

Derek Thomas
2   Posted 05/10/2011 at 03:46:38

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It's ingrained into the culture of some so deep now they couldn't stop it if they wanted.

Not only is it cheating and just well, for want of a better word ' not cricket ' it is bullying and intimidation.

How many times have you heard the expression, they like to give it out but can't take it. Well in most cases this is true. But in the no retaliation ethos we live in now they don't have to take it.

Out in the grass roots level in some of our more multi cultural Cities where the retaliation is much nearer the surface ' They ' try it on, everything above grass level gets chopped, they get a dose of their own medicine and you should hear the howls of outrage. The only thing that stops it and not all teams have their own resident hard man - phsyco, is getting a grip of them ala Dave MacKay / Billy Bremner ( google the pic it's a classic ) and they are all sweetness and light.

This is all true, as I say it's in their nature, even down to Wed evening summer 7 a side.
Pat Finegan
3   Posted 05/10/2011 at 06:28:01

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So we aren't supposed to hate Suarez even though he's a cheater? Cheating is cheating no matter what your background and Luis Suarez is a cheater. Screw him. I would feel sympathy for him if he was an honest upstanding individual but he's not. He's a dirty bastard.

He deserved every chant of "cheat."

He deserved every whistle and boo.

He didn't deserve to shake Jags' hand and Jag's was right to walk away.

He even deserved every empty bottle and 50p coin thrown at him.

There are more important things in life than football but if you can't be an honest, fair person on the pitch, it says a lot about your character off it.
Norman Merrill
4   Posted 05/10/2011 at 07:33:16

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This Saurez guy has some poor discipline history, he has been sent off for both biting a opponent, and also suspended for striking a referee.
I am surprised he is still playing.
Ray Roche
5   Posted 05/10/2011 at 07:57:57

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John Brennan,

Just how much money would the likes of Tevez need to ensure security for his family? If, as is reported, he's on 200k a week he needn't work many weeks to be able to lift himself and his family out of Argentina's slums for the rest of his, and their, lives.

Remember the African player we were hoping to sign a year or so back, I can't remember which country, Nigeria, Ivory Coast or wherever, who made the statement that he wanted to go to where he'd get paid the most to be able to "Feed his family". He was being offered a weekly wage that most people here would have work for a year to earn. I thought "How big's his fucking family"? It's just greed, pure and simple.
Nick Entwistle
6   Posted 05/10/2011 at 08:31:40

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I thought Gordon Strachan said the quotes about dogs before the '86 world cup in Mexico.
Danny Biddle
7   Posted 05/10/2011 at 09:21:38

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It was just prior to the 1970 World Cup in Mexico that England toured South America. They tried to stitch Bobby Moore up with stealing a bracelet that meant he nearly missed the first game.

The players you mentioned have already earned more than enough to remove their families from 'poverty', and thus shouldn't need to cheat to get anything. Like in this country, it's the lower level players that'll struggle financially. Players in the top leagues and international players earn more than enough.

The 'cheating' comes from their desperation to win by any means possible and certain leagues around the world accept it as normal professional practice. As Saturday proved, it worked, so why change?
Joe Clitherow
8   Posted 06/10/2011 at 11:05:04

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I think Stalin had quite a tough upbringing by all accounts also.

For those who object to historical references, you can insert, say Tony Montana from 'Scarface' as a reference instead.

Hopefully you can see where I'm going here...
Andy Crooks
9   Posted 07/10/2011 at 19:44:00

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I didn't realize that Jags refused to shake the cheat's hand. Well done to him.
Andy Crooks
10   Posted 07/10/2011 at 19:46:23

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Good idea Ian Tunstead #1
Phil Bellis
11   Posted 07/10/2011 at 20:26:47

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It'd be a long clip, Ian, incorporating "lost" footage of Clive ("let's get our story right" ) Thomas, 2 world wars, hand-ball Hansen and Heysel
Gavin Ramejkis
12   Posted 07/10/2011 at 20:46:49

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Ian there already exists a belter of Stevie Me Laa which should be compulsory viewing for the FA - enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abk9JSDBra4

and who could ever forget old Fabric Arse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMuS4ynSog&feature=related

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