If David Moyes really wanted to win against Chelsea, as he claims with a straight face, why did he make five changes over the side that beat Fulham ? including a goalkeeper in whom Moyes has shown little confidence in the past?
Why make a 33-year-old striker play all 120 minutes when he has been "rested" in the past because he lacks fitness? This was a very winnable game. Chelsea fielded the Ladies Team. A good effort but we were still beaten. Moyes did more to bring that about than anyone on the Chelsea end.
I suppose I'm expected to believe he wanted players fully rested so they can be fresh when they lose to Man Utd. He should be fielding the strongest possible XI. There's no excuse at all for playing a third string goalkeeper. Another knock-out competition out of the way so Moyes can focus on the mediocrity he is so deftly aiming for in the Premier League.
Peter Fearon, Posted 27/10/2011 at 02:44:12
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1 Posted 27/10/2011 at 07:45:03
Chelsea played a weakened team, are you saying they didn't want to win the game either?
Moyes promised Mucha that he would play every league cup game, so he was keeping a promise. How do you know that Moyes has no faith in Mucha?
2 Posted 27/10/2011 at 08:05:13
Even against Fulham, we nicked it. It was the same against Wigan, heading for a draw and we nicked it.
At least we can concentrate on the league now!
3 Posted 27/10/2011 at 09:48:37
I wish he would show a little more optimism in his outlook.
Over the park we see Daglish with a far from perfect team exuding confidence from every pore.
4 Posted 27/10/2011 at 09:39:09
Arsenal vs Bolton ? Fabianski & Bogdan started. Jaaskelainen is easily the #1 keeper while Szczesny has started the most this season.
Aldershot vs Man Utd ? Ben Amos started for MU with DeGea on the bench.
Stoke vs Liverpool ? Sorensen & Reina started. Begovic is Stoke's #1... as for Liverpool, when have what they did ever made sense...
Wolves vs Man City ? de Vries & Pantilimon started. Ian Hart & Wayne Hennessy are City's & Wolves' #1s respectively
Blackburn vs Newcastle ? Mark Bunn & Tim Krul started. Paul Robinson is Blackburn's first choice. Granted Tim Krul is Newcastle's #1 keeper.
And not forgetting our opponents started with their second-choice keeper as well.
Really, to criticise Moyes for starting Mucha sounds really ridiculous to me. By all means criticise defensive tactics, starting injured players, players playing out of position etc. but not starting Mucha...
ps. I think most Toffewebbers also had Mucha in their starting lineups when discussing pre-match tactics. Why didn't anyone raise a stink then??
5 Posted 27/10/2011 at 10:09:19
That said, it was their 2nd or 3rd string that we still couldn't beat with a strong starting eleven.
6 Posted 27/10/2011 at 10:17:39
I cannot imagine any manager gunning for a draw in a cup tie ? you either win or lose.
7 Posted 27/10/2011 at 10:08:53
"when it was 11 v 10 we were in control"
The man should be working part time stacking shelves in a supermarket - criminal waste of money.
8 Posted 27/10/2011 at 10:10:39
9 Posted 27/10/2011 at 10:58:00
Why don't you ask your boss to give him a job Trevor working along side you.
10 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:01:48
You're comments are as effective as Moyes, albeit you have another 40 yrs to reach his age - marvellous.
11 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:04:11
12 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:11:58
13 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:20:30
14 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:14:52
For me, he should throw caution to the wind and go all out attack between now and January and see what happens. If we get battered every week , he can say I told you so, but history shows that when he plays with 2 strikers we win.
I dont know whether he is making some kind of disguised protest to the hierarchy, or clinging on for some miracle indian takeover, but he looks like someone who wants to leave, but can't find a new job to go to.
15 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:23:04
This season will be a long one and no matter whether opinions are pro/anti Moyes/Kenwrong, the overriding priority for the club is not to get relegated. Before people start going on about how dare I bring up the R word - remember that this is the main priority for at least half the league before a ball is even kicked.
Given how small our squad is, I guess we have fewer games in which key players can get injured and let me realistic, we all would like a good cup run but who really gives a sh*t about the Carling Cup? The greater disappointment is that we falied to beat a 2nd string chelsea side at home.
Anyway, thats the only positive I can take - scrapping the bottom of the barrel but trying to be glass half full (its hard!).
Lets move onto Saturday and home that Saha is not knackered/ingoured after playing 120mins.
Will Drenthe be suspended or does that kick in the game after?
16 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:36:38
17 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:38:53
18 Posted 27/10/2011 at 11:46:14
19 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:09:45
20 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:10:34
David Luiz - Brazilian International
Alex - Brazilian International
England U21 player
Romeu - Bought from Barcelona
Malouda - French International
McEacjran - England U21 player
Kalou - Ivory Coast Internaltional and Anelka - French International - I wouldn't mind a ladies team/3rd team like that
21 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:17:26
?Somebody?s got to win and somebody?s got to lose ? and we were the losers tonight.?
- David Moyes on being knocked out of the Carling Cup at home to Chelsea.
That is pure apathy in its finest form. Time to go Davey, you are spent.
22 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:33:54
23 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:35:30
In positive psychology, apathy is described as a result of the individual feeling they do not possess the level of skill required to confront a challenge. It may also be a result of perceiving no challenge at all (e.g. the challenge is irrelevant to them, or conversely, they have learned helplessness).
This is David Moyes down to a tee. Scary.
24 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:39:07
Didn't think stating a fact means that Moyes had no idea of what he had to do to beat them, he knows what he has to do, the problem is when players miss penalties, open goals and throw the ball into the net or at the feet of an oncoming forward.
25 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:52:45
26 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:43:13
27 Posted 27/10/2011 at 12:48:09
For the first time in my life I am totally disillusioned with watching The Blues. I am grateful for what Bill Kenwright did but think he is now totally out of his league. There are not many people in the world who are in the same league as Abramovich and Mansour. I am grateful for what David Moyes has done, he is clearly struggling at present, I don't know whether he can bring about improvements to personnel or tactics - he has tried something different in the last two games and was certainly let down badly last night by foolish acts by Drenthe and Mucha. I was angry at his selection of Mucha, because all I want to see is an Everton player lifting a trophy and the chance of that was reduced substantially by the manager picking a second choice goalkeeper. Why should we accept that when we have paid our money to try and support the team into the next round of one of the two winnable competitions we are in?
Therein lies the source of my current frustrated almost to apathy mindset. I attend football matches in the hope my team will win a trophy. The glint of sunshine or floodlight as it hits a piece of silver held aloft by Roy Vernon, Brian Labone, Alan Ball, Kevin Ratcliffe, Dave Watson is what has made me go for 50 years. I'm not living in the past, I want to see Phil Neville or Tim Cahill do the same but there just seems to be no chance, so what's the point?
I'll be there on Saturday!
28 Posted 27/10/2011 at 13:28:54
Sorry to piss on your chips Andy, but there are also shades of grey between black and white, not just polar opposites.
Vague enough for you?
Robbie, using the reasonable man test, would you have reasonable foreseen that an International goalkeeper would throw the ball into his own net or parry a straight shot into the feet of an oncoming forward? Answer honestly now.
29 Posted 27/10/2011 at 14:08:41
30 Posted 27/10/2011 at 15:47:28
31 Posted 27/10/2011 at 16:51:18
32 Posted 27/10/2011 at 18:28:49
Yes, and we robbed it at Blackburn. But the luck will run out,
33 Posted 27/10/2011 at 18:44:12
34 Posted 27/10/2011 at 18:40:50
Moyes should be sacked outright.
35 Posted 27/10/2011 at 18:39:13
36 Posted 27/10/2011 at 19:13:06
Where did you hear abouy the BBC fella?
I'd love to have seen that.
Match highlights anyone...
37 Posted 27/10/2011 at 19:49:47
Nothing too exciting. Apparently he overstayed his welcome & was still there at almost midnight so he was shown the door.
38 Posted 27/10/2011 at 19:42:21
Jimmy @ 30... I'm not trying to have a go or be negative but what would be the point in getting into Europe ?
With a squad this thin, it could be embarassing and we'd be threadbare in no time. After 120min's last night we had injured players on the pitch & I dread to think what state we'll be in for an early kick off Saturday. We just don't have the bodies for Euro' games aswell anymore.
Oh & by the way, your caps lock button keeps sticking intermitently.
39 Posted 28/10/2011 at 09:47:02
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