Let me start by saying, if you could pick a player who could get into the Barcelona side from this present Everton side, my answer would be Leon Osmam all day long. So, in my opinion only, why has Ossie again become the whipping boy? (Along with Bily.)
Picture Xavi in this side; I'm not saying Ossie is as good but the lad has great feet, but Xavi would struggle.
Why Ossie? Because he has quick feet and is not the strongest of players physically, needs one-touch players around him, as Xavi has; we have not.
We did, with Arteta, Pienaar and Cahill, Saha could also join in.
Who can play with Ossie?
? Rodwell? I don't see him as a midfielder.
? Fellaini? He's not a give-and-go player who only plays well against the big boys, any idea why?
? Coleman as a fullback... and...
? Bily, who is not played in his rightful position.
Colin Malone, Posted 30/10/2011 at 18:44:36
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1 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:08:02
Can I have some of what of you've been smoking/drinking. Even mentioning Ossie with Barcelona you muts be nuts, yeah he's got great feet, so did Fred Astaire & Frank John Travolta.
Both of whom never wore the Blue shirt and the same should be said of Ossie as he is not a premiership player, too lightweight, piss poor shot, although he does get the I should have been a free kick look down to a tee as he's been blown over by the wind
2 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:22:53
Just having good feet doesn't make you a good player. The reason people are bashing Osman again is simply because he has been off form the past few games.
Earlier on in the season, nobody was complaining because he wasn't playing badly. People are just knocking him for the sake of it. He was invisible against United and Chelsea in our last few games.
The Bily situation is simple. He struggles as a left winger, but only ever gets played there. He deserves a chance playing behind the striker but I don't think he's ever going to get it.
3 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:26:02
Barcelona ... My arse!
4 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:17:30
The general point being who you regard as "footballers" I agree.
The purest we have is Saha, if it wasn't for his constant injuries he wouldn't be here he looks around sometimes as though he can't believe whats going on.
Ossie gets hammered but he can play football, similarly Bily, when he arrived unmolested by Moyes he showed promise.
The shame of it all is we'll never know how good these players can be because Moyes plays them out of position and is generally peculiar.
5 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:39:08
Now, I've heard Moyes accused of many things but...
I've just got this image now of Bily waking up with a look of sheer terror on his face as he hears Moyes creeping into his bedroom again. Bit like the look on his face on Saturday whenever the ball came anywhere near him.
6 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:39:33
He never gets analysed on here other than the chorus of those screaming for him to be right back for some unfathomable reason!!
I guess it's easier to slag the usual suspects of osman Neville and hibbert off and leave others alone
Oh and one last thing.....osman and Barcelona in the same sentance?? Not everyday you see that!!!
7 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:35:41
Among many Barca strong points is its players strength on the ball and speed of movement off it. Their midfield is tigerish in the tackle and known for its ability to to regain possession very quickly should a move break down.
Leon is incapable of those few things yet there also is the power and accuracy of Barcas shots on goal. Their all physical strength, speed and agility are far beyond what little is in Leon's armoury .
Before this crazy Osman for Barca farce takes hold here is a question for you all Leons fans;
Spot the odd one out, Iniesta- Messi- Osman- Xavi- Villa- Fabregaz- Adriano.
I could submit half dozen more but I guess those few are more than enough to highlight how silly the idea is.
8 Posted 30/10/2011 at 21:52:54
So far in this season only He has played Left Right and only the other day, Centre. I have not seen him play at Centre Forward or in the backline or in goal. Is any of those his best position?
9 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:13:22
10 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:26:39
Some of you lot have got short memories -he's done far more good than bad for Everton.
11 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:28:45
He was anonymous yesterday and it was a surprise he lasted 75 minutes before being replaced.
12 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:22:03
1: Are you Osman's agent?
2: Have you in the last few hours been exposed to alcohol or recreational drugs?
3: Have you ever actually seen Xavi play football?
4: Have you ever actually seen Barcelona play football?
5: Are you talking about the Barcelona Under-14s?
13 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:34:54
The game is slower and nowhere near as physical so i think Leon would have had a good career in somewhere like Spain or France.
Maybe not for the Champions of that country but certainly a top ten side. A bit like Everton.
I like him and i think he gets a bit of a raw deal on here. He does go over easy though.
14 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:34:25
Great players in the past haven't had pace but they haven't been hung out to dry out of their natural position to accomodate athletes who can't play football like Fellaini and Rodwell. Neither have a footballing brain, neither has a good first touch, nor can pick a pass; neither gets as many goals as Osman would get from midfield.
In a team crying out for creativity, offensive threat, intelligent midfield play, and player loyalty, Osman ticks all of these boxes. Fellaini and Jagielka are performing horrifically yet seem immune to criticism, Baines can't really defend yet it is always Hibbert who is slated, even when we're playing well. Osman along with Saha are the best techinical footballers at Everton and if we really do have any aspirations to get back to being the School of Science then we should be putting players like this in the team rather than laborous workhorses who do nothing but run and defend (badly in Fellaini's & Rodwell's case).
15 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:45:59
Osman can't get near the England squad but could play first team football for Barcelona?!? Not on any planet in this Universe.
I assume Tony Hibbert is playing for Real Madrid in this wonderful world you live in.
My god, that has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read on here.
16 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:59:33
I've read your stuff on Osman.
I believe if we could disguise Messi as Osman for a game and he scored 4 you'd still call him, suffice to say his better games have been in the centre of midfield.
17 Posted 30/10/2011 at 23:07:17
Surely any of the Barce players, if English by nationality would walk into the England team?
18 Posted 30/10/2011 at 22:56:07
One of the things people use against him is the rather languid style he has. This is, in part, contributed to by his great first touch and good awareness. I think his positional play can be poor at times, he is still developing, and this has led to us being a little easier to play through than we were, especially 3/4 seasons ago.
I also don't think Rodwell has a bad first touch either!! He is an extremely two-footed, natural player, who for me is in danger of becoming the next Jermaine Jenas, a silky underachiever. I feel there is a great deal more in him. Also, neither are likely to score goals when they play as deep as they do. I actually think we need some legs in midfield.
As for Saha, if it wasn't for the injuries, he could have played for anyone. It's a shame but the constant stop-start nature of his existence means it's very rare he can play full tilt and is really sharp. Truth is he's on the finish; shame how his career worked out... great player.
19 Posted 30/10/2011 at 23:50:38
All the experts can prove catagorically that Bumblebees should not be able to fly, wing to mass ratio etc.
But here in the real world of my back garden what do I SEE, well in the summer anyway...yes you guessed it Bumblebees.
All the experts can catagorically prove that Ossie ( and Bily for that matter ) is a decent footballer of up to Barca standard, quick feet, football brain etc
Yet here in the real world of my Goodison back garden what do I SEE.......................
20 Posted 30/10/2011 at 23:57:03
Who would he replace? Iniesta? Xavi? Messi?
21 Posted 31/10/2011 at 00:18:45
22 Posted 31/10/2011 at 00:44:08
Unfortunately he's one of the reasons we're now struggling. He needs to do a job for us more than ever, esp with the loss of key players over the past two seasons.
With him Cahill, Baines and Jags not performing we've struggled. Add Rodwells limitations and things aint so good.
23 Posted 31/10/2011 at 01:31:09
Baines could quite easily play for any side.
The rest of our squad wouldn't make the barca u15's!
24 Posted 31/10/2011 at 02:31:53
25 Posted 31/10/2011 at 02:48:45
Stop it, my sides are aching!
Right... and breathe... and prepare to make a serious comment.....
Haaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha! Sorry I can't.
I don't even think he'd get a game for Norwich City right now.
Best laugh I've had in ages though - thanks!
26 Posted 31/10/2011 at 08:41:50
Do you go to Goodison. Do you watch the shite that we play.
You talk so much shit in just two paragraphs: Billy - being the ultra pro who Moyes has somehow turned into a total waste of 9 million, you then trump that with Osman + Barcelona + football - all in the same sentence. Not happy with that lot, you state that Xavi would struggle in Everton's first 11 and Fellani lets Osman down with his lack of one touch football. After reading that lot I KNOW you are never at GP.
If you take a look we are two places off relegation. How often do we score a goal from open play - our midfield could not make a scoring pass to save their lives. Tell me, what source enabled you to dream up the shite that you posted?
27 Posted 31/10/2011 at 09:35:43
Change that to Moyes submits articles too.
Fucking hell you couldn't make that up erm 'Colin'
28 Posted 31/10/2011 at 09:29:07
The main difference would be that his team mates would actually move into space and look for the pass and not link up with the oppositions defence and fall over when the ball comes near them.
Ossie wouldn't look out of place because he moves and looks for passes
29 Posted 31/10/2011 at 12:07:28
Barcelona? He is Championship level at best. Can't tackle, can't pass, can't head, can't stand up to a tackle ? in fact, he can't do anything required of the Premier League status he has.
30 Posted 31/10/2011 at 12:29:10
Ive had enough of the great servant bollocks aswell, we arent running a butlers school here, these lads are multi millionaires, infor Osmans case, for something he is mediocre at.
31 Posted 31/10/2011 at 12:26:40
32 Posted 31/10/2011 at 12:15:56
I am not one of those people.
I guess Osman and Bily are each paid 40,000 quid pw which means that each is paid 2 million per year.
Think of what you and your family could do with that mind boggling amount.
Think about what they actually do to earn that kind of money. Makes you feel a bit sick eh'.
Don't expect me to show sympathy or empathy with anyone enjoying that lifestyle who does so little to deserve it.
33 Posted 31/10/2011 at 12:51:25
You a comedian?
Please send me some of what you're smoking and I'll send you a you tube link for you to actually watch Xavi in acton.
34 Posted 31/10/2011 at 12:52:56
35 Posted 31/10/2011 at 12:49:15
The number of times Billy, Jack and Felli were caught in posession on Saturday looking up trying to find someone to pass to was incredible.
Ozzie isn't the only culprit though. None of our players seem capable of passing AND MOVING. Most are happy to pop a pass off and then take a breather - safe in the knowledge that they didn't give the ball away and it's now someone else's problem.
All of the top sides pass and move. A lot of the rest try to pass and move. We are just slow, pedestrian and very predictable.
36 Posted 31/10/2011 at 13:05:31
37 Posted 31/10/2011 at 13:03:52
Players were blasting passes to each other over short distances in the midfield but everyone seemed comfortable trapping the ball or playing one touch football, regardless of how fast the pass came to them. In the first half they tore QPR a new one with their movement off the ball.
Just wish they were in blue and at home in GP...... then again, we should feel lucky i guess, their midfield would truggle to get into ours and our Leon could single handedly take them all on!
38 Posted 31/10/2011 at 13:24:23
Osman cannot play on his own, for the reason you all have said. He needs an Arteta or a Pienaar with him.
What have we got? two defensive midfielders, one's a crab, the other waiting for the transfer window to open. So this leaves Ossie isolated, and he's food and drink to defenders.
I would rather we went 4-4-2 if we are going to play two defensive midfielders because, in my opinion, that's why Cahill is not doing the business.
39 Posted 31/10/2011 at 15:15:56
This may be the funniest letter I have ever read anywhere!
If Osman is good enough to play for Barcelona then I am the pope, one of the workers who constructed the Hoover Dam, Ronald Reagan's best mate and The Fifth Beatle.
Now how much of that did you believe?
NOPE didn't think so.
40 Posted 31/10/2011 at 15:46:37
Where I will agree with you is that Xavi or any of the other Barca players would really struggle in this everton squad. There just isn't the critical mass of good, confident players who have been coached to play football in the correct way. There is no movement and the players are more used to shirk responsibility and hoof it rather than anything else.
Can you imagine Moyes playing messi as a holding midfielder or right back? Cos it seems that he likes to screw around with the heads of creative/attacking types by playing them out of position till their confidence is fucked.
Once messi had been brought down a peg or two then he might be given a more suitable role on a wing. In the meantime half of Goodison would be on his back for being a lazy ****, and screaming for him to be shipped out. In a few seasons we might be able to sell him for Â£1M or so. IMWT lol.
41 Posted 31/10/2011 at 15:30:05
42 Posted 31/10/2011 at 18:20:37
43 Posted 31/10/2011 at 18:49:17
Well worth half an hour debate over a couple of Stellas. but one thing I do agree with, even if Colin didn't say it is that Xavi would struggle in this team, which of course doesn't automatically mean that Ossie would blossom in Barca
44 Posted 31/10/2011 at 20:01:28
45 Posted 01/11/2011 at 07:39:18
Instead of singling certain players for citicism - maybe some of you should look a bit higher so to speak. It was US Prsident Harry S Truman who apparently used to have a plaque on his desk with the legend - " The Buck Stops Here".
As far as David Moyes goes his mantra appears to be " The Buck Stops Anywhere But Here". It is David Moyes that decides the tactics - and to say that his tactics are predictable would I believe be an understatement. And as regards substituitions - there have been peace treaties that have take less time to negotiate than some of Moyes substituitions - even when it is blatantly obvious that a change is needed to be made.
The opening game v QPR showed this - he replaced our lone striker with a midfield player - leaving Saha on the bench !!! In the later stages of that game I wondered what formation it was we were playing - I am sure the players were just as confused.
A mate text me the scores of last nights Stoke v Newcastle match - at one point he said the Newcastle 2nd Striker had created a goal I can't recall the precise detail - I replied with the question : What's a 2nd Striker ?
I saw on the internet this morning that Moyes has been mentioned as a future Spurs manager? I wonder if the fans at White Hart Lane will put up with such cautious, unadventurous and at times boring tactics. I look forward to seeing how Van der Vart and Co cope when they too are stifled by "The Moyes Approach".
46 Posted 01/11/2011 at 08:27:49
As for Coleman,the lad played more Gaelic Football growing up so he's an apprentice learning his trade.Give him a season or two more before slating the kid.
47 Posted 01/11/2011 at 13:55:30
48 Posted 01/11/2011 at 16:12:40
49 Posted 01/11/2011 at 18:14:42
50 Posted 02/11/2011 at 19:05:29
I reckon Barlow would have got a game for Brazil; if he was Brazilian and his name was Pele.
51 Posted 04/11/2011 at 06:00:08
52 Posted 04/11/2011 at 07:18:57
53 Posted 04/11/2011 at 07:45:02
Most match going blues last season would have to agree that Osman had a great second half to the season when all the luvies like Arteta and Fellaini were absent again, he scored goals and created them in a very good patch playing in a role comfortable to him.
This year he has been shite and that is mainly due to our manager playing him in a position he should never ever have played in again after that Cup Final, Mr Moyes will never learn and yet again someone else takes all his flak..
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