This is a Japanese proverb I was once told, it means, "If you do not enter the tiger?s cave, you will not catch it?s cub."
To me, David Moyes and his Everton set-up do not ?enter the tiger?s cave? when faced with a tough challenge. Under Moyes, Everton have never won at the Emirates, never won at Stamford Bridge in the league, never won at Old Trafford, and hauntingly, have never won at Anfield.
I would not expect much, but it has been a decade. Not once have Everton caught one of these teams off guard. Not once have Everton out-thought one of these superior teams in their own patch. Not once have Everton managed to punish one of these teams in their own Tiger?s cave. In 40 attempts.
Moyes must be aware of this but, year-in, year-out, he shows he has no other ideas than to ?keep it tight and organized, and hope for a set piece or lucky break?. A great manager is cunning, shrewd, and ruthless. Can Moyes claim to be either of these?
I am not completely anti-Moyes. He has been a successful acquisition; I recognize that under his tenure Everton have improved in infrastructure and on the pitch, since the dour days of Walter Smith. However, the reason above, along with many others, shows me that it is time for him to go. I hope he does not sign a new contract, and Bill Kenwright should have a shortlist of young, bright, Championship managers (we cannot afford anything better) of men to replace him.
Robbie Carew, Posted 06/11/2011 at 12:36:27
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1 Posted 06/11/2011 at 15:37:44
He'll piss off without a backward glance.
2 Posted 06/11/2011 at 15:51:16
Does anyone remember the Derren Brown show about the horse racing? To demonstrate his point about a wining streak and the balance of probability he flipped a coin for about 8 hours straight. Eventually he had a run of 10 identical outcomes i.e. the coin landed heads up. Of course he only initially showed the 10 straight heads up coin flips before he explained what the outcome was.
If you apply this to Moyes' tactics, on the balance of probability, he'll have a winning streak like when we finished 4th or when we reached the cup final but on the whole us winning is a completely random event. Moyes is not a master tactician, he is someone who works on the balance of probability. But that means the same rule can work against you and in the same way you got lucky with a winning streak, you can be unlucky with a losing streak. The up and down form and performances of Everton over the last 10 years shows Moyes leaves the whole thing to chance.
3 Posted 06/11/2011 at 16:14:54
We'd get mauled.
4 Posted 06/11/2011 at 16:35:40
5 Posted 06/11/2011 at 16:35:03
6 Posted 06/11/2011 at 16:53:14
7 Posted 06/11/2011 at 17:03:10
Whenever one of our players shows he can perform to a consistently high level he's chased by a richer club.
With the exception of Big Dunc, who retired, every one of our best attacking players has fallen into either one of these two categories.
As for the Mike Basset school of "take the game to 'em" and the forum experts with their "Moyes is clueless", I have a question... If Moyes is such a terrible manager how is it that he's survived in the top flight with successive teams that consist, mostly, of other clubs reserves, rejects and cast-offs? He must have done something right.
BTW, wheres Peanuts?
8 Posted 06/11/2011 at 17:29:37
" We thought, ' If we're going to get beat, we might as well have a go at them and get beat '
9 Posted 06/11/2011 at 17:33:10
10 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:10:58
Nah ! That statement is as far fetched as a bucket of shit from China.
11 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:24:53
12 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:43:39
13 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:46:15
Wake up Apologists! We've been telling you for years now how much of a ditherer, dour Davey is. (But we'll only acknowledge the 7 top 8 finishes in 9 years, grudgingly..followed by the word: "But.")
What about a bit more relentless negativity, Moyes out! Apocalyptic references & ginger c*nt, 0.02 % can't be wrong etc..for IT'S own sake?
No seriously, I've got a REALLY bad feeling we'll be playing Championship football next year - let's sack the coward/ cancer that is Moyes & replace him with Poyet, Martinez, Holloway or Nigel fuckin' Bluff..
And those who don't agree with us can go visit the mindless, thicko optimists at Bluekipper!!
MOYES OU..Oh wait, I've already done that, haven't I?!
14 Posted 06/11/2011 at 19:37:11
15 Posted 06/11/2011 at 21:10:49
I think we have reached a stage were the players are totally lacking in confidence and no one is taking any risks and creating space for others - there's just no movement and they've reached a stage were they will gladly follow Moyes's instructions and game plans .
I've been a supporter of Moyes throughout his time but I do feel he's now truly living on borrowed time .
A good outsider if he ever decides enough is enough should be Ian Adkins (a scouser) managing Southhampton at the moment . I live down here and the football they are playing is so good to watch .
16 Posted 06/11/2011 at 21:22:30
The club is in a far worse state now than when Smith left yet everyone seemed over joyed at Moyes' arrival. It now horrifies people that we should consider sacking a dour defensive Scotsman and giving a younger hungrier manager a go at a top job. This season has a great sense of deja vu to Smith's last season.
17 Posted 06/11/2011 at 21:33:55
"if you don't plan to succeed, you plan to fail"
"If you don't eat crap, you won't be a fat cunt"
18 Posted 06/11/2011 at 21:34:24
A lot of people are saying it's ok as he(Moyes) will come good as usual. Well this time guys we may be too far behind to play catch up,remember West Ham were too good to go down last season weren't they.
Well we all know what happened there don't we.
19 Posted 06/11/2011 at 21:43:52
20 Posted 06/11/2011 at 23:23:28
After last season and the pre-season games I ventured to state that we would still be a mid-table team and that was before Beckford, Arteta and Yakubu went. However I had not anticipated that Osman and Hibbert would still be regular starters nor that the defence would be all over the place even against Fulham.
Our form because of team selection and strategy has put us in the frame with the likes of Wigan and Wolves and rightly so. Moyes bringing back McFadden is a ridiculous move. We are a slow enough team offensively as it is and McFadden is very one paced much like Osman.
Moyes has to go and the sooner the better. On a better note ? great to hear Rodders getting the call to the full England squad.
21 Posted 06/11/2011 at 23:59:47
22 Posted 07/11/2011 at 00:17:47
(Adopts cunning Arthur Daley-esque tones )...If any body DOES happen to come across one of these Tiger Cubs, let me know sharpish, probabley the best British 200cc bike ever built.
23 Posted 06/11/2011 at 23:08:28
24 Posted 07/11/2011 at 01:06:45
25 Posted 07/11/2011 at 01:40:24
26 Posted 07/11/2011 at 07:09:03
27 Posted 07/11/2011 at 07:31:52
The manager may not be able to turn players into match winners but he should be able to have them work hard, well organised and fight for the jersey.
I wouldn't say Newcastle have much more than us but there leauge position tells me what can be achieved when everybody pulls in the same direction.
As negative as it may sound if we dont keep a clean sheet we will win very few games, stop conceding goals and we stop losing games. A good start would be to stop crosses coming into the box it takes away gobshites like Heitinga and Jageilka panicking like fuck.
28 Posted 07/11/2011 at 09:36:03
29 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:31:59
I'm no Moyes apologist but read what he actually said:
"We didn?t get as many chances as I would have liked but it was a stonewall penalty when it hit his [Dan Gosling?s] hand. The ball was going in as well. The goalkeeper wasn?t getting it. But we came here not expecting to get anything from anybody.?
He was clearly talking about getting decisions from the officials.
30 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:10:30
31 Posted 07/11/2011 at 18:09:56
32 Posted 07/11/2011 at 18:21:30
Can I just ask what you are thinking about the present situation.
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