Whenever a thread appears expressing dissatisfaction with David Moyes?s management ? we are now one point above the drop zone with the upcoming matches against Wolves and Bolton crucial to our season ? you can bet there?s a response from one of his diminishing band of diehard faithful asking, "So who would you get in his place?"
It?s a trick question in a way, designed to push the debate away from the merits of David Moyes where it belongs and on to the merits or otherwise of other managers. Proposed managers are easy to scoff at ? the good suggestions wouldn't take the job, say the Moyes Brigade, the obvious suggestions wouldn't do any better.
However, aware that I will be ridiculed by some, I can?t resist. These are the first half a dozen calls I would make if I was chairman and about to fire David Moyes, not necessarily in this order. Each is realistic in my view. Each would probably value the challenge of the Premier League and all but one cut his managerial teeth on football?s attacking virtues.
1. Marco van Basten. He resigned from Ajax as manager in 2009 after finishing third. He is currently a television pundit but has made it known he wants to return to management.
2. Bernd Schuster, former manager of Real Madrid (for ten minutes). He was fired from Besiktas last season for his supposedly reckless attacking tactics. That would make a change.
3. Roberto Donadoni, former manager of Cagliari, fired in August after a disagreement with the chairman over the transfer out of a valued player.
4. Slaven Bilic, former Everton defender, currently managing Croatia. Great tactician. May be available if they don?t qualify for Euro 2012 in play-off this month.
5. Frederic Antonetti, Corsican born, currently manager of Rennes ? his teams are fully committed to scoring goals.
6. Gary Speed, I never believed he was a Judas. Not the most experienced, it?s true but he?s has great footballing intelligence, he knows the club and the culture and he?s a True Blue. Yes, let him keep the Welsh job too if he wants it.
Each of these men would out-coach and out-think David Moyes. All but one has had to work with relatively limited resources.
Yes, of course each of these choices can be picked apart. The point is there?s talent out there. You have to act at the right moment to secure the services of the right man. While I?m certain these men would like to manage in the Premier League, I doubt if they?re much interested in managing in the Championship. So hurry, Bill! The time has come for Dave to go!
Peter Fearon, Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:02:01
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1 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:48:11
2 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:46:33
There is no comparison because in the richest league in the world we have consitently over performed with Moyes at the helm.
Queue the same old tripe about Moyes being negative and how we should play two wingers against everyone and watch us do a City and be points clear by the end of the season!
3 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:48:13
4 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:50:47
5 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:01:23
You would need to assess what you would lose by sacking Moyes with what you gain.
Maybe you'd want to ask all the above if they'd come to a club with zero pence for transfers. Or is that a trick question too?
6 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:58:51
But let me ask, how many of those would come to Everton, with no money and a guarantee that every season we would have to sell at least one of our best players?
The buck stops with Kenwright and nothing will improve till he has gone and we have someone i charge who actuially knows what they are doing.
7 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:11:42
8 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:13:46
In my opinion we DO have the players to do better than we currently are we are just too tentative and negative. Yes, we have a small squad but its still better quality than the likes of Newcastle and the teams currently around us. We've lost our bottle and that's down to Moyes.
9 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:27:05
We don't have a large enough squad with the quality in depth to sustain and realistic season long challenges, but at least it would be an improvement from what we have now.
10 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:39:05
11 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:40:41
12 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:48:35
foreign coaches do not do well in the Premiership unless they have oodles of money to spend and most times that doesnt work either.
I would look for a "new" Moyes like Nigel Adkins currently flying high with Southampton who can build the club on sound foundation.
I believe we should be very grateful to David Moyes for what he has done for the club in very difficult circumstances but thought he should have resigned in protest at what was going on with Green Earl and Co some time ago.
He now looks like the frustrated waiter rather than the Maitre d'.
Agree with Steve Guy though Kenwright to go FIRST.
13 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:57:38
14 Posted 07/11/2011 at 15:07:29
Bit puerile your response, don't you think? Whether you agree or otherwise to Peter's contribution surely it deserves better than that?
Peter, hear what you say, but I'm afraid it's a clean out from top to bottom we require. Merely replacing Moyes will not address the malaise.
Moyes should go because of his repeated mistakes and now flagrant complacency - but it is a complacency that is built upon Kenwright's inability to do anything positive for our club and his turning a blind eye to Moyes failings is borne out of gratitude for him (Moyes) not kicking up a stink.
15 Posted 07/11/2011 at 15:15:55
Point is Peter, the club's rotten to the core. Sacking Moyes will only lead to the deployment of another yes man...and if we get someone who does not play ball....a "revolving door of managers" ...a la West Ham.
Taxi for both I'm afraid.
16 Posted 07/11/2011 at 15:25:56
17 Posted 07/11/2011 at 15:32:38
The present squad are on fantastic wages. Moyes is on £3.5 million a year but of course no-one would want to come for that wage... it's only the fourth best in the Premier League. When Walter Smith was crap, I still remember you nervous sods saying "BUT WHO WILL WE GET?"
"He gives youth a chance"... lol!!! McFadden limped on at Newcastle while Gueye & Barkley watched.
He might have over-achieved in your eyes if you support Moyes but for me he has lowered Everton Football Club to the level of Bolton, Blackburn & Stoke ? battlers who are lucky to survive in the Premier League. We are Everton Football Club; if you and Moyes have no ambition go to Preston where you all belong and let us have our once proud Club back.
18 Posted 07/11/2011 at 15:52:31
19 Posted 07/11/2011 at 16:01:52
20 Posted 07/11/2011 at 15:59:09
Imagine the help Dazza would get from Pops when he needed it ? especially if he retires in a year or two... Two for the price of one. The best football brain in the world at the end of the phone??
21 Posted 07/11/2011 at 16:20:00
Managers who don´t, well it´s fairly obvious isn´t it?
22 Posted 07/11/2011 at 16:44:14
These past few games have shown up Moyes on a grand scale, playing to keep the score respectable.
Swansea went to Liverpool and out-passed them for fucks sake, we would have gone there with 11 behind the ball, hoping for a set piece lucky break.
Moyes has lost his bottle, time to go Davey.
23 Posted 07/11/2011 at 17:14:23
24 Posted 07/11/2011 at 17:26:16
25 Posted 07/11/2011 at 17:17:32
Bet he's into "Strictly Come Dancing" the lovable rogue.
26 Posted 07/11/2011 at 17:32:57
It's never going to happen anyway though. Moyes is here until he decides to move on so we're stuck with the defensive minded zombie football I'm afraid.
NSNO - Need Some New Owners
27 Posted 07/11/2011 at 17:32:29
Nail on head mate!
28 Posted 07/11/2011 at 17:44:10
Sadly, I don't think a plan B exists or ever has. We have the poorest squad since Moyes arrived.WE ARE IN A RELEGATION BATTLE. What does Moyes really think? Would anyone be confident of where are next win is coming from? There must absolutely be a change of coach. This coach is done,tired, bereft of ideas,stuck in a rut,clutching at straws, unimaginative and clinging on to a huge salary which he must really know he is not earning.
Resign with dignity,go to Celtic and deal with a board who will not undermine you and see your reputation slowly and sadly fall apart.Go.
29 Posted 07/11/2011 at 18:00:49
I just hope he can muster up something similar this time, without Arteta, Beckford etc.
Gotta survive this season and prey Kenwright finds or is forced to find a buyer.
30 Posted 07/11/2011 at 18:30:15
31 Posted 07/11/2011 at 18:34:10
Van Basten? Roberto Donadoni?
What would the job advertisment say.
"Passionate but local fan base. Playing in an old stadium with no plan to up grade the stadium or move, currently asset stripping the playing staff to pay debts. No money to spend to improve the playing squad, you would be expected to finish higher than 8th in the Premier League playing Bacelona-style football.
Would need to work with a proven liar who goes under his stone in hard times but in good times talks about his Uncle and standing in Goodison with piss in his shoes."
32 Posted 07/11/2011 at 18:52:48
When any manager comes to a new club, nobody knows how they will do. I believe Moyes needs to go but who comes in? I am not sure. But in the first half at Newcastle, the passing was truly awful and second half we ran out of ideas.
Team selection was another error. We are lucky to have any points this season and need a point a game from now on.
33 Posted 07/11/2011 at 19:17:35
All of the names mentioned will not come to us. No one will take a job where you have NO money to spend on players.
New owners is a must before any improvements can occur
34 Posted 07/11/2011 at 19:24:57
Moyes can't hold a candle to him.
35 Posted 07/11/2011 at 20:07:31
36 Posted 07/11/2011 at 20:40:22
A couple of British names to add to the list would be Chris Hughton and Steve McLaren.
I still think McLaren could do well in the top flight he was never given a fair crack at Forest and has a good pedigree.
Hughton is doing a fine job at Birmingham with no resources and being forced to sell players plus he was very unlucky to be sacked by Newcastle last year as he was doing a great job. He would be my number 1 target at the moment.
37 Posted 07/11/2011 at 20:52:33
He did however bring a refreshing energy and dragged the whole club up from relegation candidates to European contenders. Reshaped our squad from top to bottom and changed our expectations.
Its clear to me(now) that Moyes should never have been renewed. We now need a new coach with the same energy and vitality that Moyes originally had . I dont see why there is such fear about replacing the man and such scepticism that we can't find a good manager....just like we did 10 years ago.
38 Posted 07/11/2011 at 20:52:21
This guy is colder than the Arctic.
I like Eastern Europeans, the way thay play football. It's precision all the way. My dream would be (in their respective positions) 11 players that have the skill and ball control of Modric.
I'll bet Bilic knows at least 30 East Euros that wouldn't cost a fortune and would play attacking football that we haven't seen at Goodison for a good while.
Failing that, I'll go with Tony Marsh. Wicked idea.
39 Posted 07/11/2011 at 21:47:55
tentative, stale-stout football? Mmmmm...
40 Posted 07/11/2011 at 23:41:56
2. Maybe. Not bad. Give him a chance.
3. Hahahahaha. Worst defeat in Italy's National Team history? Fired twice? Immediately right now fired twice. Yeah, sign him up. Amazingly, he's available. Very available.
4. Like him.
5. Jury's out. Wouldn't replace Moyes for him.
6. God bless him and good luck in his future. For now, just keep Moyes.
You want Moyes out, Peter? Fine. But, statements like, "Each of these men would out-coach and out-think David Moyes" is bullshit. Let them labor for years under Moyes' restraints, and then I'm taking that comment seriously. By the by, one of the reasons I read your post with skepticism is you neglected the obvious choice; Bruce Arena. Should have been in the EPL 15 years ago; absolutely after the 2002 World Cup. Even now.
41 Posted 08/11/2011 at 01:13:42
NSNO - Need Some New Owners
Should become the new club motto!!
42 Posted 08/11/2011 at 04:07:49
43 Posted 08/11/2011 at 07:26:37
You should have lent him your crystal ball Peter so he would have known like you did that they would not have an impact.
44 Posted 08/11/2011 at 08:21:07
We have about 5-6 young players coming thru but wont get the real experience they need playing in lower divisions all they really get it match fitness. So where to with this squad? A new boss will want to rebuild around the quality we have and add to it no doubt and for me that is maybe 4-5 new faces of course a few players will have to move on. I dont think a new manager can perform miracles but if he comes to play positive and attractive football in the Everton tradition then it can only be good for the club. For me David Moyes looks like a beaten man, looks scared, has lost his fire, and that just abouts sums EFC at the moment. We have two games that we should get points from but Bolton and Wolves are not going to lie down and roll over. Nothing less than 6 pts from these games will do. The honourable thing to do is resign and give it to someone else. Perhaps Neville is the man for the job?
45 Posted 08/11/2011 at 08:31:34
Can anybody say that if we had some new multi billionaire owner that they would want David Moyes as manager?? I used to think i would without hesitation to give him a go with some money but he has had a little money to spend (Fellaini, Billy, Yak, AJ etc) and look where its got us now. His problem is his negativity at times and unless that changes things are not looking good
46 Posted 08/11/2011 at 11:21:48
All we have now is fans of David Moyes and Captain Manchester, Everton has lost it's roots wanting Kirkby etc and it's ambition very sad.
47 Posted 08/11/2011 at 13:49:32
He couldn't have said that bout the "establishment top four" because ten years ago there was a virtual duopoly between United and Arsenal.
Chelsea were still owned by Ken Bates and Liverpool were pretty much where they are now.
Leeds were the big threat to Arsenal and United and Newcastle had been regular CL participants.
48 Posted 08/11/2011 at 14:42:09
49 Posted 08/11/2011 at 15:28:23
Good list Peter but playing Devil's advocate
1 - Been out of a job for 2/3 years, will take one look at us and give us the finger
2 - Fired from his last job, not a great recommendation on his skills
3 - Fired from his last job, not a great recommendation on his skills
4 - Didn't qualify for the last World Cup, may not qualify for the Euros, nothing screams "Winner" than not qualifying for major touraments.
5- No idea who he is so can't comment
6 - A 33% win ratio with Sheff U and, as with most managers, taking Wales nowhere.
50 Posted 08/11/2011 at 15:53:49
51 Posted 08/11/2011 at 21:28:15
Kenwright has already said he wont ever sack moyes...and Kenwright has proven on countless occasions that he does not give a flying fig what the fans want or think.
Everton FC have been mismanaged into a position where there is only one option to save and restore our great club.....a buy out by someone with a lot of money!!
52 Posted 09/11/2011 at 09:04:35
53 Posted 09/11/2011 at 12:23:30
Never managed a big club but has done well with teams on a shoestring budget and his teams alwyas play for a win.
I'm sure he would love a chance at Everton.
Moyes for me now is the ultimate coward, a general who tells his troops not to fight but to just lie down and die. A manager who defends againts the inevitable defeat rather than playing for the win.
I'm sick of him and after 10 yrs its time for a fresh approach.
54 Posted 09/11/2011 at 12:27:54
Two points stood out which I thought was interesting.
Firstly with Palace he was let go because apparently he told teh administrator "he did not have the stomach for the fight to save the club"
Secondly about QPR, he got them promoted "Using a new 4?2?3?1 formation built around playmaker Adel Taarab"
So not only did he not have the stomach to help fight with an ailing club, his favoured formation for promotion was a variation of a 4-5-1.
He will do fecking wonders here then!!!
ps. I also think he is a bit of a tit, always joking and smiling after his team gets beat but "that's the premiership for you...great innit?" feck off
55 Posted 09/11/2011 at 12:35:00
56 Posted 09/11/2011 at 12:40:30
"I've never been busier. We're going to try to bring four or five players in who can help us. I'm really looking forward to it, to really competing. I'd be very surprised if I don't get the players in" he said, well he will have a nice easy time of it here, as he will be getting no-one in.
57 Posted 09/11/2011 at 12:44:47
58 Posted 09/11/2011 at 12:46:15
59 Posted 09/11/2011 at 12:50:42
Why should I offer any names?
I actaully think that no matter who comes here, they will soon have the same shitty demeanour that Moyes now has.
No money to spend, an ageing and reducing squad. Apart from the wages, I have no idea which "good" manager would want to come to us.
It's no surprise that when we had money to spend at the start of the close season, we did well. we qualified for Europe. Once the money stopped, we dropped down places, not many but enough to miss out in Europe.
We are slipping even more now, we are loaning out players and bringing in frees or untried youngsters.
Apparantly though, it's quite easy. All Moyes had to do was notice we needed a new winger and forward and go out and get him.
We brought in a winger and a forward, on loan, one may turn out ok, the other is gash
60 Posted 09/11/2011 at 18:03:14
Moyes is done, well and truly done. However ,Round as caretaker is the ultimate guarantee of relegation.
61 Posted 09/11/2011 at 19:13:30
Over three million quid a year makes EFC very, very attractive to "young, ambitious managers".
EFC is still a massive job and I imagine it would be very appealing on account of it is a win/win situation.
A man who turns it round will be hailed as a guru.
And if he fails, well. it's the lack of funds, innit
As someone else said, a vacancy at our club will see a queue right round the ground and down Spellow Lane.
62 Posted 10/11/2011 at 09:37:45
These "young, ambitious managers" won't get the same money as Moyes, nowhere near it and they shouldn't either. Our manager has ten years experience of being a premiership manager, the new up and coming manager has zero experience.
Can you imagine offering the same money and after a few months he turns out to be worse than Moyes and we then can't afford to sack him, the same way Kenwrong can't afford to sack Moyes....but even worse, as he would have a longer contract to pay off.
63 Posted 10/11/2011 at 18:18:52
I know we can't afford to sack Moyes. I have said it often enough on here and if we could afford to sack him, he would be long gone by now.
I'm only saying that those who think we wouldn't be attractive to any "young, ambitious manager" are wrong.
Manager of Everton FC is still a big job in English soccer and we would attract plenty of both aspiring and establsihed candidates., no matter what the Sad Sacks try to tell us to the contrary.
64 Posted 11/11/2011 at 11:27:48
You may be right, However, my view is that it would probably be more detrimental to an ambitious young managers career to come here.
Within a season and a half his team will be crumbling before his eyes, no money to buy replacements and the entire Goodison crowd expecting miracles from him.
No idea why a manger would see us as a good move and as I have suggested previously, I am surprised that Moyes hasn't walked yet. He is surely a millionnaire now, so it can't be that much about the money
65 Posted 11/11/2011 at 17:34:32
You see, Tony, you are underestimating our club.
Moyes could walk out as EFC has made him very wealthy but I think we are all prety much in agreement here now that after Everton is all downhill for him.
A Sunderland perhaps, or Blackburn.
With a few quid to spend perhaps.
And with his limited tactical nous the chances are he would start stuggling there as well and the fans and chairman won't be making excuses for him.
It'll be his P45 and then Mr Moyes will take his true place on the English magerial merry-go-round with the likes pf Fat Sam, Steve Bruce and Alex McLeish.
He is shrewd enough to stay where the money is fabulous and the pressure is nil.
66 Posted 11/11/2011 at 23:13:50
As peculiar as it may seem for an EPL team to hire an American manager, all Arena has done in his career is build winning teams. Whatever and wherever those teams might be, he's only had success; most evident with our Top 8 finish (and we outplayed Germany) in the 2002 WC after finishing 32nd in 1998.
You listed a nice selection of potential managers for EFC. Arena would be better than most of them.
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