Reading about Jags and Rodders playing for England had me musing about the number of full internationals Moyes has at his disposal.
Being a person person not full bottle on cold hard facts, my list was huge and I was surprised at the total. Can a cold hard fact-finder come up with the complete list?
As an extra, how many other than in those full internationals have represented their country? Then it would be interesting to know, at least to me, how many international players have passed through the club during Moyes reign.
Dick Fearon, Posted 13/11/2011 at 21:33:33
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1 Posted 14/11/2011 at 01:38:45
We are fourth from bottom because Moyes is too negative and holds the players back. Alan Pardrew has only been at Newcastle 12 months and, because he is more forward-thinking and positive, they are third. Time for a change please!
2 Posted 14/11/2011 at 01:45:09
3 Posted 14/11/2011 at 03:43:07
4 Posted 14/11/2011 at 05:48:17
5 Posted 14/11/2011 at 08:30:24
Then Rodwell comes on and without being spectacular gave England exactly what they lacked in the first half, a midfielder prepared to drive forward and try to make a connection between the front man and the rest of the team (I almost felt sorry for Bent) Jack certainly did not look out of place facing the best midfield in the world.
Ashley Cole once again provided a display that made you wonder how the fuck he keeps Baines out of the side with poor defending and absolutely nothing going forward. That lesson will surely be learned soon and when it is, these three will become regular starters for England, at which point they will probably all end up at Old Trafford, or somewhere like it.
6 Posted 14/11/2011 at 10:23:33
7 Posted 14/11/2011 at 10:32:07
Rodwell did quite well. They both did themselves no harm and apparantly Jack is in line for a starting place tomorrow against Sweden.
Good luck to him.
8 Posted 14/11/2011 at 10:40:08
I don't think I'm being biased at all!
9 Posted 14/11/2011 at 11:08:36
The cold hard truth is Moyes is not good or intelligent enough to get the best out of the players at his disposal.
10 Posted 14/11/2011 at 10:31:02
"Alan Pardrew has only been at Newcastle 12 months and, because he is more forward-thinking and positive, they are third. Time for a change please!" Blackpool were fourth once. It doesn't matter where you are now, it matters when the final whistle of the 38th game blows.
11 Posted 14/11/2011 at 11:23:25
12 Posted 14/11/2011 at 11:14:30
Your comment is aimed at a man who got his team of Kilbanes, Bents, Stubbs, Weirs, Pistones, Carsleys, Watsons, Naysmiths and Le Ties into the qualifying rounds of the Champions League.
He used to be able to do it, for a nice spell when we actually bought players we wanted, not loan deals and frees.
13 Posted 14/11/2011 at 11:44:13
Imagine that?, a manager actually managing his team and asking them to play better than the hoof it shite we get from the England "great" Jags.
Do you honestly think a lad on the other side of the pitch can hear him, how does that work for Louis? Is he telling him to balloon it over from 15 yards instead of placing it, or actually hitting it to either side of the keeper, instead of straight at him?
Again the player apologists are on in force, it's not their fault, it's the manager, he's not letting them play......fecks sake!!
14 Posted 14/11/2011 at 11:50:15
Managers are key, players are usually a reflection on the management and the training regime. If players fail to do the basics properly or lump it long whilst under the slightest pressure, then no doubt it's the way they are trained by the coach.
Look at Swansea for instance, always play it out from the back, goalkeeper comfortable in possession. Sometimes it goes wrong for them but the coaches don't BERATE them if it does because its how they want the players to play.
So that tells me when Howard, Hibbert or Jags hoof it (not to mention Yobo whilst he was here), then it's because on the training pitch Moyes hasn't drilled into these players that playing from the back is beneficial and that percentage football is the way.
15 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:05:45
Jags is the only one who continually hoofs it forward. Distin tries to take it on, Baines and Hibbert look to pass and move withthe winger but our vice captain, who is a great defender, twats it 50 yards into the area of lone striker is waiting.
16 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:07:42
17 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:12:54
Even when we get a throw-in or a free-kick, it's never taken quick and our players move into designated positions, usually with a defensive element to them.
There are certain aspects of the game that can't be coached into players and others you can work on. Movement and finding space is one of them. Looking at our side and how we play, I'd say we spend about five minutes a season working on this individually and as a team.
18 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:19:42
Spot on... The big gap in Rodwell's game at the moment is finding space and closing down. Moyes doesn't appear to be able to teach him that.
19 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:19:57
You can take your position but can still move away from your man.
This is both Moyes's and the players fault, too rigid in the formation and the players with not enough nouse to lose their men
20 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:34:33
Next time we manage to get near the opposition box have a look how many players are in there? We will always be well covered and ensure the oppostion can't get in a position where they have a man over, even though this would mean we have a man over when we are attacking them. It's clearly coached.
Against City we were sending three or four up for corners. A lot of the time we don't even send Distin up for them, our biggest player by a mile.
40% of goals in the Premier League are scored from set pieces, yet we didn't want to leave ourselves short at the back. Defensive minded?
Theres so much evidence to suggest this is the case.
I believe that movement and finding space can be learnt by anybody regardless of thier natural ability. If the players don't have the "nouse" to work it out then the manager should teach them.
He clearly can't. And because he can't we will continue to struggle to score, which is worrying as we are also struggling for clean sheets.
21 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:47:38
This, in my opinion, is down to the players and the management. They're at both fault. Could also be a confident thing.
22 Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:58:08
I have lost count the number of time I have screamed, "Fucking move for him" at the game.
"Against City we were sending three or four up for corners" - Do the same calculation at Wolves and I bet the numbers will be higher.
City break away with speed and are leading the league, so of course the formation will be one that is more defensive than if we were playing a lower side.
23 Posted 14/11/2011 at 13:26:15
24 Posted 14/11/2011 at 13:48:20
It is one thing about going for it Warnock style, but how many more points do you get for losing but scoring a couple of goals. None!
To me, the two styles are just as negative, Warnock has said the same as Moyes, in that he expected to lose but whereas Moyes is trying to nick a point or even 3 with a tight game and a late goal, Warnok is going gung ho because he fully expects to lose so he thinks, "What the hell"
Both managers are hoping for a flukey draw/win, but Moyes gets denigrated and Warnock gets lauded....surely they have both surendered before a ball is kicked?
25 Posted 14/11/2011 at 13:56:33
26 Posted 14/11/2011 at 14:09:34
27 Posted 14/11/2011 at 14:30:14
The result is still the same but he had accepted defeat before the game started, yet somehow Warnock should be praised but Moyes called a coward.
Yes, it would have been nice to see us go for it, but that has never been our style, keep it tight and hopefully nick a goal, then if it's 1-0, we keep it tight and hopefully nick a goal and so on.
Warnock thought, we are going to lose here so just go for it, he went for it and lost. Moyes was too catious but for a deflected goal and a suicidal ball by Drenthe, who knows we may have gotten a draw or sneaked a win from a set piece. It's all about percentages and both Moyes and Warnock gambled and both lost, just because QPR scored, it doesn't make the points for column any better to readf.
28 Posted 14/11/2011 at 16:04:06
29 Posted 14/11/2011 at 16:33:42
The problem we face is that we have a tiny squad of not great players and our creative players are being picked off one by one by the clubs above us, Rooney to ManUre, Lescott to Citteh, Pienaar to Spuds and now Arteta to Le Arse. Next to go will be Fellaini and our midfield starts to look like one that Norwich would put out.
30 Posted 14/11/2011 at 16:37:51
It's a case of better the Devil you know I suppose but without backing from the board any manager is going to struggle at Everton FC.
31 Posted 14/11/2011 at 16:39:44
32 Posted 14/11/2011 at 18:50:51
33 Posted 14/11/2011 at 22:11:30
34 Posted 15/11/2011 at 01:37:23
Moyes gets 60 grand a week, we have a squad full of internationals who, as we have seen this week, play well against top class opposition, yet we are 4th from bottom and can't win a game. Newcastle, Norwich and Swansea have worse players on paper than Everton but they do better... why?
Because of our manager and the coaching staff who are not good enough or have gone stale. We need a new change to freshen things up for players and fans otherwise get used to this negative, "play for a draw, anything else is a bonus" policy.
35 Posted 15/11/2011 at 02:04:02
Lescott was MOTM by a mile btw.
36 Posted 15/11/2011 at 03:35:55
That's absolutely right, our best players generally want to leave, IMHO to go and play REAL Football with a REAL coach who is POSITIVE, tries to WIN matches and is more concerned with how WE PLAY than the other team.
From what we hear around Goodison a key factor in Rooney leaving was his dislike of Moyes' "style" of coaching and play. Just look at Arteta at Arsenal, I posted on here a while back when he went to the Gunners saying that if Arteta plays really really well in Centre Mid then I'd have my answer about Moyes, I got it. Arteta wasn't in my Fantasy Football team when at Everton, waste of time, as soon as he went to Arsenal I got him, he's getting me shed loads of points despite getting on a bit.
Who would you rather play for, a Moyes team or a Wenger Team? I know where I would be (If I wasn't a mad Evertonian that is).
With Moyes at the helm, our most talented and creative players will continue to look for greener pastures where football is played as it should be to further their career (Unless they are a defender that is, we are good at nurturing them for some reason!!!!). "The beautiful Game", not a phrase that jumps to mind watching Everton over the last 10 years. Also, we are going to find it harder and harder to get quality players to come to us whilst Moyes is still here for exactly the same reasons.
As for strikers, forget it, Moyes is the grim reaper from Centre Forwards.
37 Posted 15/11/2011 at 12:53:53
Remember, an international team is purely the selection and opinion of one man. For England alone many players have been capped and flopped and each and everyone of us has an opinion on who should and shouldn't be picked. Prime examples: Arteta for Spain and Kendall for England were two excellent players who should have been capped and would have if other managers were in charge at the time of there ascendancy. Arteta is unfortunate that Spain have their greatest squad ever at the moment but England had many inferior players to Kendall back in his heyday.
If Moyes was England manager don't you think he would have capped Osman by now much to everyone else's chagrin? It's all down to a personal opinion which is subjest to much controversy.
38 Posted 15/11/2011 at 13:05:59
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