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Bily fits best in a central role

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I remember the goals this guy has delivered, especially the ones against Wolves and United. Now in all the games where he has played AND looked dangerous is when he has been allowed to go inwards from the left to the centre and then wait for the perfect shot, with a bang he can hit a shot better than anyone on this team. Baines is the only one who can compare.

Knowing that, Moyes has chosen to play him at his left side all the time despite knowing that he plays best when he is in an attacking central role. His goals have told us that, but Moyes pehaps had other things to worry about and didn't bother watching.

There is a lot of things Moyes misses these days, and next player out of here, being a top player in my opinion, is Bily. Moyes and the way he plays does not go along with any of the good players here. Clearly Billy first came here full of hope and form, he proved that, but both Heitinga and Bilyaletdinov have been allowed to rot away on the bench, where their good form upon arriving here was fading away and in my opinion has never returned.

The sad thing is, if you look at both these players, they are good players indivdually but Moyes has allowed their form AND confidence to rot away on the bench. Next will be Vellios... and perhaps even Barkley. The two suffering the most for this are Bily and Heitinga, each playing for their country with top internationals. I just can't believe it. They would both be first-team players in this ribbed team, but they need to play regular football, and to play in their best positions.

Sick and tired of watching Moyes destroy this team. He needs to adapt and try something new. Why not build on Internationals, including U-21? ... Pretty basic that, isn't it?

Jimmy Soerheim, Stavanger, Norway     Posted 14/11/2011 at 00:24:00

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Dick Fearon
1   Posted 14/11/2011 at 06:54:53

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Jimmy, your faith in Bily is badly misplaced. For a central midfield role he is too one footed on top of which he is slower than Osman, his work rate is non existent and his tackling ability only a shade better than Ossie.

His movements do not flow with the game and one can almost see his mind clicking over on where and when and where to move. Guus Hiddink, the manager of Russia said, that Bily lacked the fighting qualities that he hoped Moyes could impart.

And another thing, If he was half as good as some make him out to be why is there no sign of a newly rich Russian club chasing him.
Stephen Kenny
2   Posted 14/11/2011 at 08:01:35

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Jimmy your assertion that he plays best in the middle is a fallacy that some people who dislike Moyes are using to discredit him.

He did not play as a second striker (in the hole) in Russia, nor does he regularly play there for his country. He may be suited to that position but looking at it honestly I'd say not.

He's slow and lethargic with terrible movement, therefore easy to mark.

He's easily pushed off the ball. Most teams play with at least one defensive midfielder which means he will lose posession a lot.

He fluffs double the amount of chances he scores, so despite having a good shot on him he will waste a lot of chances.

And the biggest and most damning of the lot, he never shows for the ball, what good is it having a playmaker who never wants the ball.

He's not suited to this league and IMO is a very poor footballer, in almost 3 seasons he's shown nothing more than a few glimpses of talent. It's true he can shoot from distance, but so could Neil Redfearn who was captain of Barnsley when they came up, it didnt mean he was a class midfielder.

Moyes has made a major error signing him when at the time we had an excellent partnership on the left and we were crying out for pace and goals from wide right, bear in mind Seamus was nowhere at that point.

Not selling him this summer or at least sending him out to Russia on loan to put him in the shop window was another big error IMO. Anybody being honest will see that he's not cut out for the hustle and bustle style and breakneck speed of the Premier League. There's no shame in it, much better players than him have struggled in this league, with Veron being probably the most obvious.

Probably the only reason he weren't sold is that the banks would have kept the money and Moyes thought it's an extra body in a small squad.
Jason Lam
3   Posted 14/11/2011 at 08:26:40

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There's no doubting Bily has an eye for goal he scores some wonders during his first season here. The problem with these players is they thrive on confidence and at the moment his looks totally shot. These players don't go crap overnight.

Playing him out of position has nothing to do with his form, players will cover different areas of the field during the game anyway it's not playstation stuff.

I blame mismanagement on behalf of Moyes. He's drilled what's little value of Bily out of Bily.
Brian Waring
4   Posted 14/11/2011 at 10:09:42

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According to Bily in a interview he did in Russia, he says if he doesn't get any game time he wants to move on in Jan, and he actually says at the end, he is already working on a move.
Mark Jensen
5   Posted 14/11/2011 at 10:27:39

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Moyes bought him for £9m. I will wait to see how much we sell him for before judging Moyes. With a restricted budget he has to take risks (like Krøldrup).

Failure to get a decent fee will make my mind up that Moyes will be poor WITH money to spend (i.e. the Lescott cash, Distin apart).
James Stewart
6   Posted 14/11/2011 at 11:10:59

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He is crap and a complete waste of money. He should have been sold straight away while we could recoup something.
Tony Waring
7   Posted 14/11/2011 at 11:37:39

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If he's accused of being one-footed you might as well include 90% of all footballers. Kevin Ratcliffe was a glaring example (mind you he had other strengths!) Bily seems to be being played out of position and there's no doubt he has scored some lovely goals. Personally I would hang onto him but hey, he's a footballer not a hoofballer and therefore must go........according to some folks.
Tony J Williams
8   Posted 14/11/2011 at 12:11:38

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When he first came in, we had a team of creative players and he looked comfortable with them. His corners were miles better than Arteta's and he had quite a number of assists in his first season.

He is wasted on the wing and needs to be released from any defensive duty, as he is too slow and a little powderpuff too.

He has fast feet but his worst crime is like so many others, when he releases the ball he acts as if it's job done and doesn't move or look for space.

I thought when he was bought, he was a replacement for an ageing Cahill but he hasn't been given the chance to see what he would be like.

We will recoup a fair bit back for him with the Russian money sides but I am sad to see him going without having a fair crack at his correct position.
Tom Bowers
9   Posted 14/11/2011 at 13:46:42

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Whilst Moyes has shown a stubborn resistance to leave out his ''pets'' I have never been convinced Bily has proved his worth and so called ''playing out of position'' is not an excuse. If your good enough you can play anywhere in midfield. The same can be said for Osman although he is lucky to be a ''pet''.
People like Gueye have never been given a real chance like Osman and Bily so I can only imagine that he doesn't shine in practice games. Players such as these should in all honesty be let go and other maybe more competitive players be brought in. Trouble is Moyes doesn't seem to be able to recognize real talent anymore.
Danny Broderick
10   Posted 14/11/2011 at 14:10:55

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He's fucking shite.
James Flynn
11   Posted 14/11/2011 at 15:00:07

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Bily's just not a good enough athlete for the EPL. Moyes hasn't fucked him over. He's simply a sub-standard athlete for this level. Sure, he has no confidence. Why would he? Three years in, he's aware he can't keep up going forward or back.

Also, I read what Brian (4) read. Bily's getting ready to leave. Good luck to him and no hard feelings. He's not EPL material and never will be.
Anthony Hughes
12   Posted 14/11/2011 at 15:21:03

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Should never have been signed in the first place. I think Moyes and his scouting team must take the flak on this occassion. When we we're looking for a pacy winger we got something entirely different when we could ill afford to waste money.
Hopefully we can recoup a decent figure for him although i don't see us getting what we paid for him.
Jimmy Sørheim
13   Posted 14/11/2011 at 15:20:33

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I dont disagree with any of you but I have to say in this position we are in it seems better to play him infront of an ijured Cahill, that mucxh I think we can agree, as well he needs a similar long run in the first team like Cahill is afoorded and then we can all judge him on back to back performances and on form. As long as he is with us I think he should be prefered infront of Cahill.
Also I am not defending Moyes here, it is just that I dont feel he has been afforded the same time to shine as Saha and Cahill. That is the problem, not just with Bily but whit all the others who struggle for game time. Not many but like Heitinga and Bily. Surley a good coach can fit them in better then Moyes currently has. It would be a huge loss to see him go for less than we bought him for. But I realise that might be forced through by Bily himself if the roumors are true.
Jonathan Field
14   Posted 14/11/2011 at 16:43:57

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Danny @ 10: Love it! ha
Jay Harris
15   Posted 14/11/2011 at 18:18:18

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Jimmy,

Billy DOES belong in a central role.

Central station on the way back to Russia.

He may well be outstanding in Russia.

He may well be outstanding for 2 minutes every now and again.

BUT he doas not belong in the Premiership.

He is frequently caught out in possession like a school boy lost and is far too slow in mind and movement.

Shows up the foolishness in panic buys and recommendations IMO.
John Keating
16   Posted 14/11/2011 at 19:13:36

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Still can't believe some people are still backing Bily. What has where his best positionis to do with the fact he can't pass, head, run, tackle etc etc He's shite !!
Bob Skelton
17   Posted 14/11/2011 at 19:49:22

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Jimmy,

If you are relying on You Tube for your info on Bily then you must believe he's another Messi. If like me you have to watch his performances from Gwladys Street every Saturday then the sooner he's gone the better...

Same could be said of Big Time Johnny...Talks the talk...doesn't walk the walk...



Snow in Norway must be cocking up your Satellite Picture if you think either of them are worthy of the shirt....
Steven Bennett
18   Posted 14/11/2011 at 20:18:27

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Heard today he wants to leave in jan !
Jimmy Sørheim
19   Posted 14/11/2011 at 20:14:12

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C,mon BOB That is just insulting. I simply cant belive that he has been so poor of late. He does not resimble what he once was when he first came here, his first season. He was good then, I guess I feel a bit romantic about those lovely few goals he has scored. You guys act like it is a betrayal to want him to be given his last chance, enough amount of time in the attacking midfield role, the Cahill role, maybe it is because you are SOOOOOOO impressed by Cahill. Tell me what has Cahill done this season, shit, just like Bily? I think it all comes down to Moyes and his bad handling of a player that cost him 10 million, almost as much as Fellaini.
By definition Moyes should get a lot of abuse, but it seems like people think that nothing could be wrong with Moyes his past History will hold him here forever no matter what kind of crap he pulls.
I think that he could have spent the Heitinga and Bily money more a bit more wise. We are left with devalued players who we will lose money on when we give them away ala, Yakubu sale. That just gets me angry, it is just plain stupid, I cant defend it, and by the looks of it Bily will be the next freebe to Moscow. Now that is something to get angry about!!!
Dick Fearon
20   Posted 14/11/2011 at 21:58:43

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Jimmy, you ask what Cahill has done this year better than Bily. For starters, while agreeing that by Tim's usual standard this has been a bad year and he carried an injury for most of it. Despite that in any game Tim has played in he whether it is up front out wide right or left or in the middle puts in more work, tackles and passes than Bily comes up with in a dozen games.
Danny Broderick
21   Posted 14/11/2011 at 22:22:51

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Give me Cahill at his worst,or Billy at his best,I'd take a poor Cahill any time. I'm sure if you asked 99% of Premier League defenders who they rate higher,they would all say Cahill. Even though he is clearly not playing at 100%,he is always involved somehow. Billy might as well be the linesman,he's just wandering up and down the side of the pitch. In fact,at least linesmen have an impact on the game. Billy's got ability,but that's not enough. Heart,desire,athleticism - I could go on. The leagues are full of players who have scored blinders at some point or other. The Wigan left back scored from the half way line a few seasons back. Kenny Miller scored a belter for Scotland the other day. But would I have them in my Everton team? No thanks,give me lads who will regularly give me 7 or 8 out of 10. Billy's an extra spectator.
Ciarán McGlone
22   Posted 14/11/2011 at 22:44:44

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Cahill doesn't deserve his place.

Irrespective of what anyone thinks of the Russian.
Anthony Manning
23   Posted 14/11/2011 at 22:45:19

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Broderick #21, you clown, Billy is a great talent spoiled by Moyes tunnel vision on insisting we have 10 workhorses in the team anyone who dares show any flair or inventivness is quickly banished to the bench.
Dick Fearon
24   Posted 14/11/2011 at 23:35:57

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Anthony #23, You think Bily is a great talent. I rest my case.
James Flynn
25   Posted 15/11/2011 at 02:19:44

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Anthony (23) - SAF, Wenger, Mourhino etal, all demand their players be workhorses just as Moyes does. You don't win otherwise.

If Bily was a great talent, we'd know it by now. Has nothing to do with Moyes (Except he shouldn't have signed him in the first place). He got sporadic playing time because he simply wasn't good enough to compete in the EPL. Nothing against him. Players are signed into the league and don't measure up all the time. Bily's one of them.
Anto Byrne
26   Posted 15/11/2011 at 03:25:33

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If you have played the game even for your local pub team you will know what your best position is. being a left footed 6.2 centre forward many many years ago i found my self out on the right wing and yes i was crap. why does Moyes continue to put square pegs in round holes?
Ernie Baywood
27   Posted 15/11/2011 at 05:11:34

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But James (#25) isn't it possible that he might be somewhere between a great talent and not good enough, ie worthy of a place?

I can see he's not a great talent but I can't say for sure if he wouldn't be worth his place in the right position because it hasn't been tested.

What I have seen is a bloke who can make things happen in a team with no cutting edge. We could almost carry him just for those few moments in a game.
Dick Fearon
28   Posted 15/11/2011 at 08:38:13

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Ernie #27,
We have already got Osman, how many slow moving, piss weak passengers can d'ya think we can carry?
Andy Codling
29   Posted 15/11/2011 at 10:08:17

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Stopped reading after I read you thought Billy is a top player...next.
Richard Dodd
30   Posted 15/11/2011 at 10:59:07

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Let's be honest ? both have stunk the place out since their arrival. Take the money, I say!
Liam Young
31   Posted 15/11/2011 at 13:01:29

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Bily does have a good shot on him, and yes, play him in the centre and he will get the odd goal for us, but we need more than an odd wonder strike. We need a player with great creativity, a bit of strength and pace in that central midfield role. Bily has always struggled with the pace of the Premier League, some players are not suited to it, if you put him in spain or italy, where the pace is slower and you have more time on the ball, he would do a great job.

But maybe it's the perfect time to get rid of him, I do agree that Moyes does not help these days, he plays everyone out of position, he likes versatility in a player, but why not just play them in their best positions ?!?.

Get rid of bily, bring in Donovan in January, he will being a great attacking flair to the team, Donovan is an amazing proffesional, a role model and he will kick ass for us like he did 2 seasons ago. I just wish it could be a permanent deal and not a loan.
Gav Byrne
32   Posted 15/11/2011 at 13:24:26

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Players out of position. Not playing our best 11. Negative attitude.
Moyes needs a boot in the proverbial. Nil satis nisi optimum???? Nothing but the best is good enough???? Why deliberately go against the clubs ethos by sticking with hibbert and neville instead of coleman. Play barkley as right mid. He is young and unafraid to go forward and gives a great link up wth coleman. Baines and drenthe link well on the left thus giving us the option of attacking down either flank.
And so to Bily.....
Why not play him in the middle ? Put Fellaini in beside him to give you box to box cover. Dont just sell him without ever trying him in his natural position. Let him be creative from midfield and with the two flanks being utilised we can play two strikers!!!! Oooooohh! Wouldnt that be exciting? Saha is joined up front by velios. Cahill goes to the bench and is used as an impact sub or cover for saha when he gets injured. Try it Moysey. Or dont. Just try something. Please
Danny Jones
33   Posted 15/11/2011 at 14:33:09

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Bily wants to go?

Goodbye then.

Disappointing far all concerned but he's had enough chances to take a first team place and has failed. He has a good shot on him but seems unable to apply himself to get into a position to use it. If he happens to be standing in a central position just outside the area when the ball comes to him he looks like a world beater. This is not enough in any league let alone this one. In English football players have to earn the right to show their skill through effort and he just doesn?t put a shift in.

He is, unfortunately, an expensive flop and one which Everton can ill afford. Any offers should be considered for him. I wouldn?t bother haggling too much either for fear of scaring off the buyer and being stuck with a non-playing player for another six months.
James Flynn
34   Posted 15/11/2011 at 15:05:58

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Ernie (27) - I feel if he was good enough for the EPL, we'd know it by now. Yes, if he's in one particular position without a defender nearby, he can do something with the ball. I think that goal against ManU a couple years ago got all of us wishing and hoping because the goal was class. Then what?

Plus, of the games I've watched him in, he didn't seem to exactly kill himself tracking back. Ever. That's not physical ability or technical skill. That's heart, effort. Players have that or they don't. Doesn't seem Bily does.

I'm disappointed he hasn't worked out but not disappointed in him, particularly. Players come and go continually. Bily's just one more. He's not good enough to cut it in the EPL. Happens all the time.

I'll be happy if he's gone come January. Let's give someone else a try. Bily's had, what, 3-4 years in the league? Plenty enough time for him to prove he's EPL ready or not. He's not. Best of luck to him and bring on the next guy.
David Bridge
35   Posted 15/11/2011 at 17:04:34

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Sell Bily for a massive loss Davy Moyes and go for another Utd hasbeen Nicky Butt he is looking for a new club a great link up with his other shite Manc friends!
Jamie Tulacz
36   Posted 15/11/2011 at 20:13:26

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Don't think he's suitable for the premiership for me, not physical enough and no real pace. A couple of wonder goals is not good enough in a couple of years, and don't really see he's done enough to deserve a place in the centre

Was surprised we didn't try to sell in the summer, or maybe no interest? Let's hope some rich Russians come in for him in January
Jimmy Sørheim
37   Posted 15/11/2011 at 21:49:56

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I agree with Gav Byrne,nr.32. I also agree that Ily lacks work ethic. Pace I think he is some where in the middle of hte table.
My problem is that this team we are seeing now cant create anything. At least Bily has some creative ability that Osman, Neville and Cahill currently lacks. I am saying that given their poor form, try Bily in a new role for 5 games at least. Until January, my conscience would be fulfiiled if he could get his shot in the attacking midfield central position.
I agree he has been poor on the left, except from his first season.
Look at where we are guys we lie 17th in the table, something has to change, wheter it is Gueye or Bily or both at least one of them has to play now. Along with Vellios,Barkley and perhaps Straq too as a sub.
If we are to let Bily go we have to get at least 5 million for him. I am afraid Moyes will sell for 2 or even less. That I can not accept. He has ability, he needs match practice, just like Straq does, if they dont get it you cant expect them to perform at all. You try and play a whole game in the premiership yourself not match fit and lets see how you do!!!!
Bilys first season was very good, and I dont accept that he has become poor all this sudden. Match pratice and form plays its ugly head with Cahill and Straq right now, Cahill has been inured since last January, and Straq has not been given enough match pratice to see if he can hack it. The games I have seen of Straq has been ok. He just needs to start putting away his chances, a forward is very different than a defender, they need confidence. they rely on it very much.
Russell Buckley
38   Posted 16/11/2011 at 04:24:38

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I like Bily a lot but will happily let him go on the provision that we replace him. I don't expect to get out money back but he simply isn't an asset for Moyes.

For one reason or another Moyes dones't use Bily. He has a great shot and can pick a pass but he isn't hard enough and doesn't work on a regular basis.

I'd rather Moyes at least had someone he was comfortable in using rather than keeping a 9 million pount player resting on the bench.
Russell Buckley
39   Posted 16/11/2011 at 04:24:38

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I like Bily a lot but will happily let him go on the provision that we replace him. I don't expect to get out money back but he simply isn't an asset for Moyes.

For one reason or another Moyes dones't use Bily. He has a great shot and can pick a pass but he isn't hard enough and doesn't work on a regular basis.

I'd rather Moyes at least had someone he was comfortable in using rather than keeping a 9 million pount player resting on the bench.
Chris Smith
40   Posted 16/11/2011 at 20:48:01

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I have no idea why Bily has so many supporters on this forum. He has had numerous chances and will not deliver. Sure, he has scored some wonderful goals but generally he has been very poor.
Paul Cullen
41   Posted 16/11/2011 at 23:39:22

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Central America!
Central Park!
Central Russia!
Central Anywhere but Goodison!

sell in January , he has never looked interested from day one

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