I would be curious to hear some Everton fans weigh in on the following article about Everton that appeared on the Untold Arsenal blog:
Obviously, this is written from an Arsenal perspective, but if we're going to be discussing another club, I think that the perspective of fans of that club would be very valuable and add to the discussion. Thanks.
Anne Thompson, Posted 17/11/2011 at
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1 Posted 16/11/2011 at 22:16:19
I agree it makes for interesting reading and just want to say thanks for pointing it out.
2 Posted 17/11/2011 at 01:21:44
"Kenwright pouring money into Everton year after year" FFS!
3 Posted 17/11/2011 at 01:37:16
4 Posted 17/11/2011 at 01:37:59
5 Posted 17/11/2011 at 02:59:45
6 Posted 17/11/2011 at 03:40:06
7 Posted 17/11/2011 at 04:12:38
You have Everton fans on here that want Moyes out and want someone like Wenger in and then you have Arsenal fans who want Wenger out and want Moyes in. In my opinion, it is they who are the plonkers.
8 Posted 17/11/2011 at 04:44:54
9 Posted 17/11/2011 at 07:02:27
10 Posted 17/11/2011 at 09:20:51
11 Posted 17/11/2011 at 09:45:38
12 Posted 17/11/2011 at 09:32:57
I think one of the biggest problems we have had until recently was that we weren't being talked about.
Bill BS and his Board of plastic directors have been able to present a picture of Everton to the world of a well run Club punching above it's weight (I hate that phrase when associated with Everton more than I can ever say). They have been able to perpetuate this myth thanks to the manager; like it or not our league positions at the end of most seasons have backed this perception up.
However, thanks to the supporters groups under the BU banner, we are now being talked about. That's a good thing. The fabrications spun by the Club can only stand so much scrutiny before even the laziest journo has to start to question them. Publicity (good or bad at the moment) can only better place us on the radar of those parties who are looking to buy, as I personally do not for one minute believe that the current owners have tried that hard. They are clueless.
The BBC website is running an article today about the protest this Saturday. Our Director from the Ministry of Truth, Ian Ross is still banging on about the 24 / 7 search and how all but a minority of fans understand the position etc etc etc. Momentum is gathering for change and the BU's consistent, objective, factual and non emotional messages are starting to really un nerve a Board who (as the Arsenal blog states) have nowhere to turn.
13 Posted 17/11/2011 at 09:55:34
14 Posted 17/11/2011 at 10:16:22
15 Posted 17/11/2011 at 11:31:25
16 Posted 17/11/2011 at 11:33:53
17 Posted 17/11/2011 at 11:34:50
BU keep up the presure.
18 Posted 17/11/2011 at 11:59:39
19 Posted 17/11/2011 at 12:42:47
Plus, how was he ever going to replace fabregas?!?, maybe arsenal fans hold themselves in higher regard than they actually are.
20 Posted 17/11/2011 at 12:54:09
21 Posted 17/11/2011 at 13:04:17
22 Posted 17/11/2011 at 13:18:55
I applaud that, the same way Welsh Michael Owen took a pay cut to got to Real. That is proper footballing reasons, not just the money.
If I was being really cynical, he probably realised that his win bonus would more than make up for lost "basic" wages....
23 Posted 17/11/2011 at 15:35:26
Their Boston Red Sox Fenway Park is just as old and was in the same condition 10 years ago Goodison is in now. They spruced Fenway up over a couple of years, added seats, and turned that dilapidated dump into the cash cow it is now. And yes, without 15-20 Corporate boxes.
Our new owners can do the same. And it won't cost this $350 million number being tossed around in here.
24 Posted 17/11/2011 at 18:30:15
Also, you don't half come across as an arrogant fuck in your posts. Its like your opinion is the only one that counts, and everyone else outside of your little world, is just talking bullshit.
25 Posted 17/11/2011 at 18:52:20
Like being called 'fatty' by Rick Waller.
26 Posted 17/11/2011 at 19:08:25
27 Posted 17/11/2011 at 20:37:24
The one thing I do have to say is at least Arsenal is watchable so I'd gladly swap managers.
28 Posted 17/11/2011 at 23:12:04
The Blues who are leaving comments are acquitting themselves well and there's some good banter between the two sets of fans.
29 Posted 18/11/2011 at 00:34:31
30 Posted 18/11/2011 at 11:33:53
May I remind you also that Wenger has spent less than Moyes NET yet his teams play attractive and successful football.
In my opinion, you are a coward, just like your Messiah Moyes, does Nil Satis Nisi Optimum mean nothing to you? It does to me, the Blue Union and a lot of other Evertonians.
31 Posted 18/11/2011 at 11:58:09
32 Posted 18/11/2011 at 12:11:04
But let me remind you, Wenger got a bit of a head start on Moyes by not having to compete against Chelsea's and Man City's billions early on which meant it was much easier to break into the CL places and have the big money to go out and buy the best young talent in the world and sell them for huge profit and then go out and buy a top class stadium to keep them at the top.
You are an idiot Robbie, you call me coward because I want Moyes to stay? I am doing you a favour, otherwise Everton would drop like a stone and you would be the one shaking in your boots like a coward.
If we lost Moyes, I would not lose any sleep or even if we ended up in the lower leagues. At least that way we wouldn't have to be associated with the PL. Nothing cowardly about it, it's called having common sense and an understanding of football, which you seem to lack.
33 Posted 18/11/2011 at 12:31:18
I know some say that in those circumstances Moyes would deserve a crack at it to show what he could do with a better squad. This may be true, but you don't always get what you deserve & I believe we'd just be wasting time & money pending the inevitable appointment of a new manager. Mind you, should such halcyon days lie ahead, I'll be more than happy for Moyes to prove me completely wrong!
34 Posted 18/11/2011 at 21:33:11
You simply cannot equate Everton fans wanting Moyes out with Arsenal fans wanting Wenger out. IMHO they are mental, Wenger IS a genius, I love the Arsenal way of playing, their style and ethos, as Arteta does too apparently.
I'd swap Moyes for Wenger in the blink of an eye, as I suspect a great many other Evertonians would, not sure how many Arsenal fans would go for it though!
But what would I know, I don't have any common sense or knowledge of football unlike you, and you are doing me a favour after all and preventing the Mighty Blues from dropping like a stone, that's very brave and humble of you, I didn't know you wielded so much power or influence.
But then you go on to say that you wouldn't lose any sleep if we got relegated? Nurse!
35 Posted 19/11/2011 at 00:43:05
Perhaps you have lived a more sheltered life than some, maybe you should watch the news and see the real concerns in the world. It shows if anyone is a coward it is you for worrying about being relegated and wanting a change, it seems to be just a panic knee-jerk reaction on your part.
In your opinion Arsenal fans are mental wanting Wenger out, I agree, but in my opinion you are mental wanting Moyes out. Why would you swap Wenger for Moyes when he hasnt been able to win anything for over 6 years even though has had far superior players and far more money to spend but has been too stubborn to spend any? Moyes doesn?t have that luxury.
You must be right though, I obviously do wield a lot of power and influence when i consider how i am attacked and insulted by the same few people constantly for expressing my opinion nearly every time i have a comment to make, I must really be getting to people when I am being called things like a coward and an arse hole or a cunt even when other people have said similar things but it is my name that gets mentioned.
Even when I haven't even made a comment on an article, I have been mentioned and called the biggest apologist on this site. But it's ok, because I am no coward, all the 0.02% can all get together and gang up and I?ll still wipe you out like I always do. And you will know you have been wiped out when the insults are thrown about with no real come back or counter argument.
36 Posted 19/11/2011 at 05:21:05
Has it ever crossed your mind that when you wipe out everyone as you claim, as evidenced by the fact that there is no real come back or counter argument, that some of us may have actually just got bored?
The reason I would swap Wenger for Moyes would be so I could watch Everton play proper football again and stand a realistic chance of actually winning something. Wenger may not have won anything in the last 6 years but he has come very close a number of times, qualifies for the Champions League every year and even reached the Champions League final don't ya know. But hey, Moyes came 4th once!!!!!! No comparison is there!
37 Posted 19/11/2011 at 09:55:04
As for you argument. How would Wenger have Everton playing proper football again? Have you heard the saying, you can?t polish a turd? The only way Wenger would have Everton playing proper football again is if he has money to spend on quality footballers. Didn?t Rooney, Arteta, Pienaar and Baines play quality football under Moyes? That is because they are quality players. What happens to quality players? The teams with the big money buy our quality players, what a coincidence, now their team plays quality football while we are left with kids from inferior leagues who we hope can play good football.
?Wenger may not have won anything in the last 6 years but he has come very close a number of times,?
Wow, you sound like a Wenger apologist. Let me do some apologising of my own. Moyes may not have won anything in the last 10 years but he has come very close a number of times as well. He didn?t lose to Birmingham in a league cup final he lost to Chelsea in the League cup semi final, he beat Man Utd and Liverpool but lost to Chelsea in the FA cup final probably the best team in Europe that year while we had our 3 best players injured. If it wasn?t for getting Chelsea nearly every year in the cup maybe we would have won a few trophies by now.
38 Posted 19/11/2011 at 10:36:16
"...I wouldn't lose any sleep over Everton being relegated..
Just shows how different we all are in our living-and-breathing Everton support and the effect it has on our lives
I still can't sleep BEFORE derby matches and toss and turn about getting to 40 points, despite such concerns, at many times in my adult life, the very least of my bloody worries
39 Posted 19/11/2011 at 11:00:39
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