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1 Posted 17/12/2011 at 14:59:56
2 Posted 17/12/2011 at 15:56:24
3 Posted 17/12/2011 at 16:57:40
4 Posted 17/12/2011 at 17:44:51
Trouble is, a large number of supporters either want him to stay or are not arsed so it will take a seismic event for the crowd to start calling for his head - unfortunately.
One thing is guaranteed, he wont be leaving anytime soon to take up a 'better' offer elsewhere as no righful owner would want his team to play our 'unique' brand of football.
Think his contract is up end of 2013, really hope talk of it being extended is a wind up.
5 Posted 17/12/2011 at 17:23:01
You need to see the bigger picture...do you honestly think throwing money at Moyse is going to fix some of his giant glaring flaws that 11 years as not fixed?
He is petrified to play anything other than 4-5-1, maybe years ago it worked out, because of the limitation of our players...but my god...at home playing 4-5-1 every other week is fucking embarrassing...there can be no excuses for it at all.
Further more, his well publicized lack of tactical nouse is there for all to see.
Moyes does well with a very limited aquad and budget, but give him money and he'd shit himself. Why ? because he can only operate with a small squad, ask any pne fan and they will tell you the exact same thing...he simply cannot cope with more players than can sit on the bench.
He might give youth a chance, but do not for one minute think he is doing the kid a favour because he is most definitely not...the only time youth gets a chance is when his favourite players are injured.
Throwing endless amounts of money at the man is like asking a burglar to run off with the bank money with no fear of ever getting caught.
Is it right to get rid of him? I think so, I think his time is up. He may have brought some gems into the team, but even they have turned into dusty old coal.
The fact is right there for everyone to see. there are no more rising gems in the making or available, buying quality new players is out of the question, i wouldnt trust him with millions...im still pissed of he bough fellaini out of desperation and then admitted he bought the wrong player!
I hope in all things that are good we do not go down this year...but this has to be his last year in charge, we need change and that needs to happen at the team level with the manager.
You have to make do with the best that you have got, and he is simply not doing that...you got the team, you must put the best team out, you must find other ways to get them to play, to score and to defend...the fact our lads still struggle years later to even string a bunch of passes together without hoofing it or giving it away constantly is mind boggling to say the least.
This season has to be his last in charge..we are going nowhere, he has no new ideas, he looks resigned to just play out his matches and doesn't look like a man in trouble..when he should be.
Any new manager coming in wont put up with our charlatan of a board or kenwrong...and maybe this is needed more than ever to kick it into his head to sell or walk (kenwrong) coz with inept moyse , kenwrong is going nowhere, and the only place we will go is down...its unavoidable.
6 Posted 17/12/2011 at 17:43:57
In the past two or so years, our football has got worse and the work rate of the players as dropped; I've never known us to stand off the opposition so much as we do, it's disgusting! Norwich there, a team that was in League One only a year ago, and have a lot of those players still playing for them today, showed us how to get on, closed down and defended stoutly, when on the ball looked comfortable and broke well and got in good positions.
Week-in & week-out, we're performing the same way with terrible football and no closing down and no wonder we're in the shit like we are!
If Moyes is as ambitious as he makes out, he'd see that he's taken us as far as he can and needs to pass on the reigns to another younger manager with drive and new ideas to try and make the best of what we've got cos Moyes to me, looking at clips of him during the game today, has lost the fight at our club, has lost his passion. There was nothing in him when it was one-nil to them with about 60, 70 mins to go and cameras were on him, normally he would be shouting and bawling and geeing the team on but instead he was stood there expressionless with his hands in his pockets!
People say "be careful what you wish for" but I think both the club and Moyesie needs a change. Without no money, we're on a downward spiral as it is, so why not cut our losses, or Moyesie, do the decent thing and quit and let us appoint a younger, fresher manager with new ideas on how to play good football take over us and see how we get on?
7 Posted 17/12/2011 at 18:18:49
We need a change of manager and some of the coaching staff and we need to be in the hands of a young, up and coming manager who as got new and fresh ideas and up to the times with football as for me, Moyesie isn't up to speed with the new generation of football, he's still stuck in his old ways and wont change like the greats will and do! (Sir Alex Ferguson, Wenger, even Mancini as changed his aproach, regardless of the money at his disposal, even Redknapp, an old school English manager, as got Spurs playing some great stuff!)
Moyesie over 10 years hasn't changed a bit, and 7 or 8 years out of them 10 he's stuck with the same formation and tactics to this very day!
Something's got to give at our great club sooner or later!
8 Posted 17/12/2011 at 18:34:25
He is setting that team out with players who have not performed in years (Cahill) and is so hesitant to give anyone new a go in the side that it's painful to watch. Players like Cahill can go a year without scoring, and be out of form a lot longer than that, but be automatic selections in the starting 11 every match. That is unacceptable and it is Moyes making that decision. Cahill in no way warrants a place in the team and hasn't done in a very long time.
Saha is working hard but is isolated up front, often having to drop way back just to get on the ball. He needs help up front. Put Vellios up with him, or Denis, or this youngster McAleny. No they're not polished pros but you see the energy they bring when on the pitch. They're hungry to build their careers, that's their motivation. But they hardly get any time.
Barkley hasn't seen a minute in months, Rodwell has impressive games for England, one against Spain, then returns injured but is now healthy and can't get a minute. Instead Neville plays in midfield. So Moyes selects a player who hasn't been an international for years and years, in favor of a player who just made impressive debuts for the national side. That's not a money issue, that's a Moyes issue.
I'm not going to have a go at Osman because at least he is putting in full effort and does offer some good play for Everton. But he shouldn't be on the wing, ever. If you insist on playing him from the start put him next to Fellaini instead of Neville and let Drenthe be out wide. Put two active strikers up front. Just fucking go for it for once this season. It's so pathetic to watch.
The ownership has it's faults and own the majority of blame for what's wrong with Everton. Owners with money would have no doubt kept Pienaar and Arteta and our side would be better this season. But that doesn't erase the blame from Moyes and his inability to adapt to the current situation. He won't give the young, hungry players any time. He refuses to remove players who are offering nothing, and he refuses to go after goals. This team could be scoring goals, there is plenty of talent. The problem is it's all sitting on the bench.
9 Posted 17/12/2011 at 18:43:04
10 Posted 17/12/2011 at 18:48:05
11 Posted 17/12/2011 at 18:52:41
Moyes doesn't need money, he needs to tell his players to move and pass the fucking ball forwards.
This ain't rocket science and it doesn't cost millions to make professional footballers do what school kids should be doing.
12 Posted 17/12/2011 at 19:07:11
Game after game, 30k fans can see what we need to do, like put Drenthe on at half-time, but not old Davey.
We have had people slating Saha but he worked hard today but he is having to come so deep to do other people's jobs, it's just negative cauutious shite against shite teams with players I have never heard of... End of season, get shut: we need a change.
13 Posted 17/12/2011 at 19:28:56
14 Posted 17/12/2011 at 19:41:23
Another MotD I'll miss tonight, thanks Davey.
15 Posted 17/12/2011 at 19:35:25
16 Posted 17/12/2011 at 20:13:47
He is tactically retarded and outdated.
17 Posted 17/12/2011 at 20:18:57
One minor point from the Stoke debacle after Drac stayed up on the halfway line for a Stoke corner had me amazed in the Park End and convinced that was the last we would ever see of him was repeated today by Saha a few times. Maybe Moyes had a peek at another present which was a footballing basics book?
I've sympathy for him getting shafted over selling players but his miserable one-trick football has been on show for years.
18 Posted 17/12/2011 at 20:35:12
Actually I do ONE THING I will add is that the team has now become a true reflection of the MOYESIAH, negative, toothless, devoid of ideas and painful to watch.
IMWT my arse the trust with him went some time ago ! Cheers Davey for another memorable weekend !
19 Posted 18/12/2011 at 09:43:12
Moyes is rubbish. When you consider the talent he started off with (Ginola & Gascoigne being two great examples) and the masses of money he's had to spend (over 3.5 million net a season if the rumours are true), I can't believe he's still in his job.
Why hasn't he won the league? He must be an idiot who knows nothing about football.
Lets get rid. I hear that new young manager Steve Kean may be looking for a job soon, we need fresh ideas, he would be perfect.
I know, I'm setting my sights too low. How about Jose Mourinho? He's really good. He'd definitely want the job, what with that massive transfer chest.
20 Posted 18/12/2011 at 14:13:27
You feel like he is your mate and you have to defend him.
A fully paid-up acolyte and willing believer in the Moyes delusion.
21 Posted 18/12/2011 at 17:24:42
As Andy says in #10, the double act is well capable of seeing us go down this season. Unfortunately they are inseparable, and the only way we'll see change is with new owners. Moyes won't hang around as soon as BK gets his pay off.
Sadly for BK, I think the opportune time to sell has passed. The club is potless, and worthless. He won't get the 500% return he and his cronies are looking for, which sadly for us means he'll hang on in until relegation, then the banks, force the sale of the club from under him.
True blue Evertonian? My fucking arse.
22 Posted 18/12/2011 at 18:15:35
I'm just so bored of the same old rubbish about how he's such a bad manager. It's not me who has got a short memory, it's most of the people posting here.
He took over a terrible team. Followed on from some of the worst football I've ever seen (under Smith & Walker). We weren't much better under Kendall when he came back either and Joe Royle? He was alright but that final against Man Utd we got battered. We could have lost six-nil but we got a spawny goal and half of you will rate him better than Moyes because he won something. We played well better against Chelsea in the final than we did against Man Utd. Oh and I'm sure you loved our silky football when we were universally known as "The Dogs Of War".
You really think a guy who's finished top six in the Premiership on the back of no investment as many times as we have, whilst other clubs have spent tons of money have been relegated, is rubbish. That he doesn't know what he's doing? That he hasn't got a clue about management? A few bad results and we're a rubbish team. Cahill, who was your hero, is now awful, Jagielka can't play......Baines will play bad for a couple of months and you'll all want to sell him.
It's just weird. You just can't appreciate when you've got something good. I don't know why I still come to this site, you lot embarrass me.
23 Posted 18/12/2011 at 18:34:52
24 Posted 18/12/2011 at 21:39:28
25 Posted 18/12/2011 at 22:03:37
In fact I think the period from 1878 to March 2002 should be airbrushed out of our history as we really only started that day against Fulham at home.
What are we doing for the tenth anniversary of the birth of our great club then? I thought it would be better advertised. It's only three months away .
26 Posted 19/12/2011 at 03:01:16
27 Posted 19/12/2011 at 04:51:19
28 Posted 19/12/2011 at 14:49:45
Tim Cahill was a hero to me, he still is. But the fact is he's been pretty much a passenger for quite a while now. I don't blame him - he still gives his all but he needs a break and would be way more effective and probably have more chance of breaking his scoring duck this year as an impact sub. If just about every man and his dog can see this, why can't Moyes or you for that matter? The same goes for Neville and others. I don't blame players who are still trying but struggling, I blame the manager for picking them.
It's not just about bad results, it's about the dour, vision-less, unimaginative, inflexible crap we have to put up with every week. It's about waiting till we go a goal down every game before he does anything even vaguely progressive.
It's about claiming it's all about the money when many of the teams we've underperformed against have nothing like the wage bill we have, or the quality of players at their disposal.
It's about motivating himself and then the players instead of giving them every excuse under the sun before they even go out on the park - knives and guns for god's sake!
It's about giving the long suffering and let's not forget, ever- diminishing number of patrons at Goodison something to get behind.
I don't want Mourinho or Kean. I want Moyes to learn from his mistakes, stop blaming things he can't control and make the most of the things he can, or is at least supposed to - the players in the squad that he and he alone has put together.
Starting on Wednesday night. No more feckin' excuses!
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