The average age of yesterday's team was 30 years, 10 months and 21 days.
That beats the record for the oldest team we sent out in the last 15 years (my records don't go back longer than that ? but it means it does cover the Walter Smith era) by over 6 months.
So for the Moyes bashers, thought I would give you some more ammunition ? but what I will say is that with Rodwell, Fellaini and Coleman all injured ? experience or inexperience? Suspect inexperience (Barkley, Gueye & Bily for Cahill, Neville & Heitinga or Distin) would have not got the point we did.
Blue touchpaper lit. Now standing back.
Phil Roberts, Posted 27/12/2011 at 11:43:14
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1 Posted 27/12/2011 at 14:30:32
As well as being a fanatic Evertonian, I also love movies and art and theatre. The people who changed the face of the arts, in my opinion, are those who took massive gambles, mainly because they had to, usually because they had no money (in their early days). The Beatles did there stuff in Hamburg and The Cavern because they had no contract, they were then from an unfashionable background - it revolutionized music. In art, Van Gogh did so many self portraits and paintings of workers in the fields because he could not afford a studio or models. Alfred Jarry in theatre wanted to breakdown the "old guard" so he did Pere Ubu, now regarded as a masterpiece. Similar with cinema, The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari ? a ground breaking film made on a showstring, still amazing 90 years later, Artaud and Grotowski working in theatre...
The point is, in my opinion, you need a few things, not always money, and two of those things are courage and a belief of your convictions and a total commitment and desire for change. Do we have these?
I say go for the young players, give them a chance. I have Season Ticket and try to see every away game but I am bored most of the time with the style of play. Let's see something different.
2 Posted 27/12/2011 at 14:51:51
3 Posted 27/12/2011 at 14:53:01
I dont believe I will be able to see Everton play on a regular basis and actually come away feeling like I've watched proper footballing team, until a new manager with a more attacking mindset comes along.
Before the Moyes supporters start, I am simply talking about being entertained. Personally, I would rather finish around 14th and see the team having a go attacking wise on a regular basis and have something positive to talk about (i.e. enjoy some games if not all) than finish 11th playing 6-7 defenders trying to 'nick' a point (i.e. being board shitless every game). But then thats just me. Even last year arteta played a number of games in the defensive midfielder role, fuck knows why. And this year, he just wont get rid of Cahill even though he currently brings nothing to the team.
We are now pretty much at the half way point of the season and I think we have played awful football in pretty much every single game. This is just about understandable if the team had been swithed around and new things tried. However, as mentioned many times before, despite the crap on display, the tactics never really seem to change. Think this is the main reason many fans are getting disillusioned. The youngsters may not turn out to be the answer but how will we ever know if they are not given a proper crack? had luck not been on our side this season we could easily have 7-8 points less, leaving us in the drop zone. Our luck is not going to go on forever.
Anyway, on another note, it really does show how crap the premiership is in that we can play this badly (with a large dose of luck) and be mid table. Top league in the world my arse.
4 Posted 27/12/2011 at 15:19:59
5 Posted 27/12/2011 at 15:19:14
Barkley showed some flashes of ability when tried and he should be one of the bench warmers to come on when we are struggling before the likes of McFadden... bringing Mac on was an insult to Bily and Barkley who are both on contract. I am appalled that McFadden was brought back.
For the life of me, I cannot understand the business acumen of this board who allow our best players to leave without replacements. We have the worst squad in the league and how the hell we are scrambling points with God awful displays beggars belief. The only decent players left at the club are defenders; our best forward is a loanee.
Saha had real class but we got him much too late and he can only really be used as an impact sub; the rest are substandard. Phil Neville should follow his brother into retirement and it's time for Cahill too, I'm afraid.
6 Posted 27/12/2011 at 15:43:01
7 Posted 27/12/2011 at 15:53:15
Hibbo Jags Distin Baines
Barkley Osman Drenthe
But, in all honesty, by the looks of it Vellios and Gueye don't look the part and who's to say Ross is. But I'd still rather play someone ho can improve over someone who's playing to stay relevant. The fact is Moyes is right about one thing: we need a striker... hell, we need two.
8 Posted 27/12/2011 at 16:19:40
Trouble is, will he stick to his tried and tested stubborn ways despite it clearly not working... or will he admit defeat and go for it? He only plays the youngsters when injuries have forced the changes on him. What will he do when retirements force his hand?
9 Posted 27/12/2011 at 16:21:31
10 Posted 27/12/2011 at 16:22:10
11 Posted 27/12/2011 at 16:28:17
Having said that if i have to watch Cahill and Saha start one more match as our strikeforce... they have one league goal between them this season!!! How much worse could Vellios and McAleny/Gueye be?
12 Posted 27/12/2011 at 16:36:52
Cahill is an Everton legend and has rescued this club on numerous occasions in the past.
Cahill is being asked by the clown of a manager to run himself into the ground. Defend play in midfield and get in the box and nick goals... FFS, he is running the Grand National every week and is fucked. A 20-year-old player would struggle to do Tim's job, never mind a 30 something... Use Tim Cahill properly and he will do the buisness. Saha also.
I can't believe the stick they are both taking at present yet carthorses like Osman escape. Age is irrelevant if the manager is a tosser like Moyes. Every skillful flair player gets treated like shit in favour of the crabs that Moyes favours.
FFS, open your eyes. Moyes is the root of all evil at this club and it's no wonder players are disinterested in what he is trying to do... Wouldn't you be?
13 Posted 27/12/2011 at 17:25:20
Our strikers get grief for not scoring enough but our tactics don't exactly help them - especially with an off form Cahill next to them.
Dont want to get into a formation discussion but at least people agree that carrying on with Cahill/Saha as the attacking force has long since gone past being ridiculous. So question remains, why will the manager not change what is obviously not workiing? Any one of Barkely, Billy, Gueye, Vellios, Osman would be an improvement on Cahill at the moment, next to Saha.
14 Posted 27/12/2011 at 17:50:57
Maybe he's not ready to start? And better used as an impact sub?
15 Posted 27/12/2011 at 18:31:02
16 Posted 27/12/2011 at 18:55:49
Yakubu has hit double figures already for Blackburn this season. Don't know anything about Beckford this season, but i've never been that impressed with Moyes' record with centre forwards, our attacking play is dire to say the least.
Moyes needs to get an attacking minded coach in as soon as possible, someone who can get the players to pass, move and create chances for our forwards.
Been watching Everton for over 25 years now, we're very hard on the eyes as we say over here in Belfast!!!
17 Posted 27/12/2011 at 19:09:46
18 Posted 27/12/2011 at 19:05:21
Saha is now just decrepid. The supposed best manager in the land couldn't keep him fit so if he moved on elsewhere he'll just be keeping the physios busy at his new club. As for Osman, he's most likely to finish our top scorer this season.
19 Posted 27/12/2011 at 19:22:44
20 Posted 27/12/2011 at 19:24:11
21 Posted 27/12/2011 at 19:46:01
22 Posted 27/12/2011 at 19:33:50
Some of these are obviously never going to come to us (Berbatov, Drogba, G.Cahill, Kalou etc) but there are a lot who would be viable targets IMO. E.g. the likes of;
Rodallega, Figueroa, Hoillet, Klasnic, Steven Reid, Cueller, Bendtner, Danny Gibson....etc
Some of the above are not world beaters but they would at least be better than the likes of Neville, Saha, Vellios, Hibbert...... Also we could sell eg Hetinga and replace him with someone like Cueller.
Either way, given so many players will be free in the summer, I feel the club (especially in these times) should be doing more to try to sign some of these BEFORE the end of the season, before they are taken by other clubs. For the last couple of years the has been constant moaning of having no money yet there are so many players who are on frees at the end of the season and we dont seem to make that much of an effort to sign them, (except for Neill and at leats we got 1m for him a hear later which covered his wages so he costs nothing in the end).
As usual, am not holding my breath and this dosen't solve the kenwright/moyes issue.
23 Posted 27/12/2011 at 20:42:10
I remember Arteta being interviewed, and him saying he was being asked to play a lot deeper by Moyes than he normally would, at times it looked like he was a sweeper.
24 Posted 27/12/2011 at 20:50:50
Whilst Moyes and Yakubu were no longer on the same wavelength, in an ideal world he certainly wouldn`t have chosen to release Arteta and Beckford ? the latter still being considered as work in progress.
Vaughan is often mentioned as `one who got away`but memory tells me that his injury record made his sale seem a good dea to us all. Also let`s not forget that previously, Pienaar had departed because he had been `got at` and was demanding wages that the bank would simply not authorise.
Whilst it may be wrong to record the second half of last season as `fire sale` time, the outside pressures undoubtedly dictated that people had to be let go.
Given that all of the foregoing is already in the public domain, it is as churlish to constantly chide Moyes for `leaving the cupboard` bare as it is to aim bombs at Kenwright for doing what had to be done to keep the club in being.
Putting it simply, neither had any alternative to the action they took and thus should be praised for the strength they continue to show in the face of non-too-friendly fire!
25 Posted 27/12/2011 at 21:42:39
26 Posted 27/12/2011 at 23:58:48
I would almost say Tim is beyond criticism, for the effort he's put in for us. A real Everton legend on the wane... and I don't use the term 'legend' in the throw away manner of today's lazy media.
27 Posted 28/12/2011 at 04:50:30
28 Posted 28/12/2011 at 07:01:22
Who takes the responsibility for the state of our finances that caused us to be in a situation where players are sold and not replaced.
Who carries the can?
29 Posted 28/12/2011 at 07:47:05
Saha was finished, SAF had kicked him to the curb, everyone knew he was available, he was even offering to play for nothing.
Davey Moyes -You know, That guy who cant work with forwards - has managed to get an amazing tune out of these two for a combined total of around 14 years.
But NOW they are getting to the stage ALL footballers reach . . . the system and the roles they play within that system is "to blame" for their drop in form . . . unbelievable
Another of Moysie`s faults, The twat cant even stop his players getting old.
Cahill has, on more than one occasion, stated that he would "run through a brick wall" for Moyes and although I agree he should be used more sparingly, I dont think he`s ready to hang his boots up just yet, I dream he still has an Anfield winner in him. It would be brilliant to see him battering fuck out of the corner flag that joins the Kop to the Main Stand before he bows out.
30 Posted 28/12/2011 at 08:50:50
He could have released players like Yakubu, Arteta and Beckford - combined age of around 90 - thus freeing up funds to pay the long term contracts of Barkley, Rodwell and Fellaini - combined age of 60- OR he could keep the players approaching the end of their playing days (two of them against their will ) and let richer clubs come in and take our future away free of charge..
Now most Evertonians are well aware of this. They know we are not in a positon to keep all six players. They know Moyes was faced with an either /or . . and if they know all this, why do some insist on blaming the fella who had to deal with the situation, rather than the fella who created it ?
31 Posted 28/12/2011 at 09:07:45
Fellaini is 24 and a Belgium international. Drenthe has played for Real Madrd. Rodwell is 20 and a current England international. Not exactly completely lacking in experience, I mean, they've not just come from Alsop Old Boys have they?
32 Posted 28/12/2011 at 15:09:19
I reckon me Mam could have scored that many in that team.
33 Posted 28/12/2011 at 15:15:18
34 Posted 28/12/2011 at 15:41:36
But to be fair, they didn't look older! .
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