A friend came in to where I work today and said he'd got a brilliant belated Christmas prezzie for me: a copy of BBC TV docudrama "The Golden Vision".
I watched it when it was first broadcast and, at 10 years of age, was gobsmacked. He told me that he had watched it and found it didn't live up to his memory of it. I'll watch it later... maybe with a bottle of wine.
However, the point of my post is:
? Do many of us look back with rose tinted spectacles?
? Was the Catterick era the best ever?
? Would Kanchelskis have got into his team?
? How do the Moyes years compare?
? Was the world better in black and white?
Most importantly, is anything achieved before the advent of the Premier League somehow tainted and devalued?
Andy Crooks, Posted 30/12/2011 at 19:20:51
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1 Posted 30/12/2011 at 19:47:38
3) definitely - every time Jimmy Husband or Moggsy were injured
4) They dont - We where kings
5) Na, we were still moaning about anything and everything back then . .if only we knew
2 Posted 30/12/2011 at 19:51:53
To answer your last question, nothing was achieved by anyone, least of all us, before the Premier League started. Just ask any of the media, there was nothing before the Premier League.
3 Posted 30/12/2011 at 19:57:39
2) Loved the early 60's team but Kendalls was better as he put it together on a bit of a shoestring whereas Catterick had CASH.
3) No chance. Alex Scott, Derek Temple, Jimmy Husband and Morrissey were better for the team.
4) Shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath !!
5) The world is still the same. It only exists in Blue and White !!
4 Posted 30/12/2011 at 20:23:21
2. Yes but admit slightly before my time - on film evidence of our gameplay and results
3. Yes, one of the best wingers I've seen, if for nothing more than his demolition of the RS
4. Like comparing apples and oranges, different time, different plans altogether; winners vs survivors
5. It wasn't as bent or crooked as it has been since Sky claim to have reinvented the game
5 Posted 30/12/2011 at 20:17:08
Yes, that's what rose-tinted spectacles are for.
2) Was the Catterick era the best ever?
I don't really remember the 63 side but the 70 side was a great team to watch. However I believe Kendall's 85 side was/is better. They were a great footballing side that battered sides with a combination of strength, pace and skill. I think they were and still are underrated (remember, they didn't just win the league, they absolutely pissed it)
3) Would Kanchelskis have got into his team?
Possibly...if he applied himself.
4) How do the Moyes years compare?
For me I can't even make a comparison - like saying how does The Empire State Building compare with the late Betty Driver.
5) Was the world better in black and white?
Better? No absolutely not...but being an Evertonian DEFINITELY was.
6 Posted 30/12/2011 at 20:47:21
It is an absolute masterpiece, enjoy.
7 Posted 30/12/2011 at 21:33:17
There was a forward a Scottish Forward
He came drom far awa to see the Everton play
....He scored a hat-trick for Harry Catterick?
Then mentions St John. All to Scottish Soldier
8 Posted 30/12/2011 at 21:48:26
Does anyone else remember the saga of Alex Young's feet? He would always run into trouble when the pitches got heavy and his feet got sore.
9 Posted 30/12/2011 at 21:49:31
crowds of 65000 for a derby jammed like sardines and the likes of Alex Young and Roy Vernon gliding around the pitch like ballerinas that nobody could get near.
Queuing up right around the ground for 24 + hours to get tickets for Europe (same MO with early exits though) and cup semifinals/finals.
Unfortunately the world and football were IMO much better then although Catterick was not as good a manager as Kendal 1 who but for his illness and Heysell would have built us into the Man Utd of today.
Kanchelski was very similar to Alex (Chico) Scott except that Chico would place the ball perfectly on someones head whereas Kanchelski would head for the net in a Seamus Coleman style.
I dont remember the Moyes years. When was that exactly?
the 1966 cup final (we beat Sheff Wed 3-2 from 0-2 down) was in black and white but the 1968 final (we lost 1-0 in the last few minutes v west Brom) was in colour so obviously things were better in Black and White!!
10 Posted 30/12/2011 at 21:36:39
Much credit was also due to Johnny Carey and the legacy of stylish football which Catterick inherited.
Young and Vernon in their prime were brilliant and Gabriel, Labone and Harris were an impressive midfield even before Tony Kay arrived.
Alex Young?s header to win the game against Spurs and effectively clinch the Championship is an indelible memory. He seemed to hover in the Gwladys Street air and choose his spot.
Why doesn?t the club negotiate the rights and market copies of ?The Golden Vision?? A marvellous mixture of comedy drama and documentary
11 Posted 31/12/2011 at 01:12:46
12 Posted 31/12/2011 at 01:48:54
2) Yes, ( with due defference to #1 above )Catterick was the 60's and the 60's were it as far as post war decades go. In fact as a decade of the Century, the only possible rival was the Edwardian Era.
62-63, 69-70, 84-85, Photo finish; 86-87 4th.
I started watching on a regular basis just before the Carey Taxi arrived, so the best football I ever saw was in the 1st half of the 69-70 title years.
62-63 and 84-85 we wound up a momentum over the season, but in 69 we were I think 9 ( NINE!! ) pts clear Oct-Nov, with only 2 pts for a win as well.
So the result of my Rose tinted photo finish is... 3rd 62-63 and a dead heat for 69-70, 84-85.
69-70 played the ' better ' football. But if they matched up over say best of 19 frames like snooker then I feel 84-85 might edge it 10 -9 as they seemed to have a certain hardness in their attitude.
3) Not very often.
4) Chalk and Cheese.
5) Yes, again as viewed through #1
13 Posted 31/12/2011 at 04:31:40
14 Posted 31/12/2011 at 04:40:34
For the 69-70 season I travelled home and away... got a job selling programmes at Goodison so got in free which was great considering how good the team was. Bally the standout but Alan Whittle's goals made the difference in the run in.
Top to bottom the 84-85 team was probably the best of the three. Great balance across the midfield, pick any two out of Sharpe, Heath and Gray up top, two attacking full backs, a goalscoring centre half in Mountfield and lightning fast Ratcliffe, fronting Neville Southall. That was one good team.
So for me 84-85, then 69-70 then 62-63. I have a soft spot for the Dobson, Latchford, Thomas team of the 70s, particularly Big Bobs 30 goal season.
Strange to look back at a time when Liverpool were only recently out of the Second Division and, at my school anyway, we of the blue persuasion were the dominant force.
15 Posted 31/12/2011 at 05:16:47
16 Posted 31/12/2011 at 06:52:47
We enjoyed watching both teams have wonderful successes. I know we all look back through those rose-tinted glasses, but the game was different then, and I believe better.
There were more characters and it wasn't all about athleticism. 63 was the first year I went to the match and fell in love with Everton. Seen through the eyes of a 13 year old, the 63 team will always be the best team ever for me. Barca don't have the character or the characters.
I saw Vernon take a drag from a supporter when warming up and watched Young slow down to dribble round the full back before he scored because his feet were hurting and he couldn't run. I saw Bally pick up the ball and give it to a defender who had been kicking him up the arse all afternoon, saying , "If you want it that badly, here, take it."
It was better for me and I'm grateful for those memories. Thanks to the players and the fans who made it all possible.
17 Posted 31/12/2011 at 09:11:30
Alex suffered from blisters, and not down to soft grounds.
Today's pitches would have suited him, as they are watered, not relying on rainfall.
18 Posted 31/12/2011 at 14:30:39
19 Posted 31/12/2011 at 15:40:44
To quote A E Houseman: "That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, the happy highways where I went and cannot go again."
The First Division WAS the Premier League, we did not need Sky who have ripped the soul out the game we grew up with by creating an elite cartel. Sadly, our beloved Blues (and others!) have been reduced to fodder and the "Golden Vision" 45 years on will remain a distant dream.
20 Posted 31/12/2011 at 17:31:40
2. Yes, Catterick managed two completely different and magnificent Champion teams in 62-63 and 69-70.
3. He was very similar to Alex Scott, you could make out a case for his inclusion.
4. Is this a serious question? The Moyes years don' t even compare with the Gordon Lee years.
5. Definitely no.
About once a year, I look at my tape of this play and it's the ordinariness of Young, a true superstar, and his life with his semi-detached house and a mini that strikes you. Young and Vernon remain the greatest strikers I've ever seen as a partnership. And the rest of that 62-63 team: West, second only to Southall amongst Everton keepers; Parker, the prince of fullbacks. Gabriel, Labone, Harris and Kay, Scott, Stevens... totally underrated, but Brian Labone said he was the most valuable man in the team; and Morrissey, skilful and hard as iron; Temple and Veall were his occasional replacements.
21 Posted 31/12/2011 at 19:05:09
Some great lines"the world cup has made Wilson stale"(what changes?) Wilf Dixon talking about Joe Royle pushing forward,and Harry Catterick seeming patrician like in his remoteness from the players.
I urge every Evertonian,particularily those who have never seen us win a trophy to watch this. Wonderful,wonderful moving stuff.
22 Posted 31/12/2011 at 19:25:52
"But what about the children? Doesn't anybody care about the children?" (c) The Simpsons.
23 Posted 01/01/2012 at 17:10:25
24 Posted 01/01/2012 at 23:41:55
25 Posted 02/01/2012 at 09:01:00
Followed the blues home and away thru the seventies including the 3 games against Villa in the League Cup Final or was it the Milk Cup then? Maine Road for the derby semi-final when we was robbed. Saw Duncan Mckenzie in full flight. Andy King's 1978 cracker in the derby, our first win for seven years over the shite and of course, Bobby walking on water at the Baseball Ground and then getting his 30th goal on the last day v Chelsea.
Wonderful stuff compared to the fare on sale today. 7 defenders on against WBA and forwards asked to defend as well. A couple more wins and we will be above Newcastle... maybe David Moyes knows exactly what he is doing ? much to our frustrations.
26 Posted 02/01/2012 at 14:45:13
He also scripted 'Gumshoe' for the big screen with Albert Finney as the private eye and would-be comedian. In the club scene, filmed at the Broadway in Norris Green, Joe Royle's dad plays piano in the jazz band ? The Saturated Seven.
27 Posted 02/01/2012 at 19:15:58
The Golden Vision on Fleabay
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