Everton News, Season 2011-12
Barkley to get lots of reserves games
With the Premier League big boys circling like vultures and growing bewilderment among Evertonians that he's not playing more regularly, David Moyes dampens hopes that Ross Barkley will be in the first team any time soon.
38 Comments: ?Sometimes Wayne would play, sometimes he wouldn't because it was right for his development and the team,? he added.
?That was the way to get young players into the team, it was the way to give them a chance without having all the major responsibility and we'll do the same with Ross. But the difference is Wayne had played every game from a boy up - he'd never really had an injury at all until his metatarsal. Ross has had a double hernia and he's also had a triple broken leg in that period, so he's missed his development. He's missed games and missed football.
?What we're finding is Ross will probably make his mistakes in our first team, which could be costly to the team and the club. I've got to weigh up when and where I think I can allow that to happen.
?Meanwhile I'll play him in as many reserve games as I can, keep getting him as many games of football as I can because he's missed two years. I need him on the pitch often.?
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I think you better tell Stuart Pearce as well then Viv.... do you also not think in serious football circles the lad is already known about, what stops scouts going to reserve games?? Does not wash with me.
He is just as good, if not better than what we currently have in our team - PLAY him.
Alright, so he has made a couple of errors from a poor pass or two - so what? Fellaini, Jagielka, Neville, Distin - they have all committed the same errors - some on a much more regular basis, yet continue to be picked.
I say PLAY him - all those in favour......
Alright, so he has made a couple of errors from a poor pass or two - so what? Fellaini, Jagielka, Neville, Distin - they have all committed the same errors - some on a much more regular basis, yet continue to be picked.
I say PLAY him - all those in favour......
Moyes needs to practice what he preaches. Look at all the mistakes he has made this season and I am sure they will continue every week. Can we put Moyes in the reserves?
Moyes must despise the SAS living by that motto who dares wins. I bet Moyes has never even put a £1 accumulator on the scottish minge bag!
If Barkley gets a serious injury playing against yard dogs in a reserve team I think Moyes should just be sacked based on this.
Mind boggling logic for an increasingly inept manager.
Wouldn't worry about it.
Moyes has hinted that he is gone in the January window.
In one of the red tops, think it was the star. He was talking about the signing of McUseless and stated something along the lines of.
' We may lose Ross in the coming window, with teams like Utd,City and Chelsea all showing an interest.
Moyes has hinted that he is gone in the January window.
In one of the red tops, think it was the star. He was talking about the signing of McUseless and stated something along the lines of.
' We may lose Ross in the coming window, with teams like Utd,City and Chelsea all showing an interest.
If Michael Owen and Robbie Fowler, both blues, had come through our Academy, would Moyes have "protected" them too when they banging in goals for fun in their teens?
This season is a right off anyway, so in my opinion the time is now to start blooding the likes of Vellios, Barkley, Guaye. We desperately need some youthful, exuberant, no fear football. If you temper that with experience in the core of the side then it could be a really exciting season still.
Seriously getting fucked off with moyes now, and he is just baffling me at the moment. I'm fed up of his misery arse face and can't bear to watch him on tv.
Seriously getting fucked off with moyes now, and he is just baffling me at the moment. I'm fed up of his misery arse face and can't bear to watch him on tv.
I really liked Moyes! Pretty much everytime I heard the guy speak I could not fault his reasoning! He might not have taken us into the champions league or won us anything, but he had brought us a little respect in the league and a little consistency overall.
I have been an avid fan for decades. I took my 5 year old lad to his first game against QPR. He love it. But I did feel as though I was inflicting a lifetime of misery on the boy!
Everton Football Club has changed. More so in the last two seasons. The decline in standards - on the pitch, at the stadium and with how the club communicate with us and the media - is startling!
There is a severe divide. Its killing us, along with a number of baffling decisions from our management.
I just dont feel the same anymore. Something is different. The usual RS I know gave me shit after the derby game and I didn't care! Usually I would be tellin the fuckers to do one! But I just didnt care...Ive completely lost interest.
My little boy keeps asking "when we going back to Goodison?"...and I really dont wanna go back there with him.
I was at a game once (cant remember who against-but we were losing) when Neville Southall came out at half time and sat against the goalpost dejected! I thought "get a grip man...loads to fight for!" But I finally realise...Southall knew back then Everton were finished as a force...forever. He mourned then...I mourn now...Im done.
I have been an avid fan for decades. I took my 5 year old lad to his first game against QPR. He love it. But I did feel as though I was inflicting a lifetime of misery on the boy!
Everton Football Club has changed. More so in the last two seasons. The decline in standards - on the pitch, at the stadium and with how the club communicate with us and the media - is startling!
There is a severe divide. Its killing us, along with a number of baffling decisions from our management.
I just dont feel the same anymore. Something is different. The usual RS I know gave me shit after the derby game and I didn't care! Usually I would be tellin the fuckers to do one! But I just didnt care...Ive completely lost interest.
My little boy keeps asking "when we going back to Goodison?"...and I really dont wanna go back there with him.
I was at a game once (cant remember who against-but we were losing) when Neville Southall came out at half time and sat against the goalpost dejected! I thought "get a grip man...loads to fight for!" But I finally realise...Southall knew back then Everton were finished as a force...forever. He mourned then...I mourn now...Im done.
Neil @ 10
I suspect he's baffling you, and all of us, because we don't have all the facts at our disposal.
I think DM's well aware he could have a player in the Rooney mould in Ross Barkley and he is using his only bargaining chip which is first team football in negotiation of his contract and keeping the vultures at bay.. What he says to the press and what he says to the player are probably two different things.
I suspect he's baffling you, and all of us, because we don't have all the facts at our disposal.
I think DM's well aware he could have a player in the Rooney mould in Ross Barkley and he is using his only bargaining chip which is first team football in negotiation of his contract and keeping the vultures at bay.. What he says to the press and what he says to the player are probably two different things.
its frustrating he isn't playing but he's had a double hernia and triple leg fracture in the last year.cut moyes some slack on this front.
Shielding Barclay from set backs by playing him in the reserves may not be a wise move. I have seen as many and often more serious injuries involving less experienced players.
There is a tendency by some players in the reserve and lower leagues not to 'get stuck in' at the same time there are some who throw themselves into everything.
A sure recipe for injury to occur.
A small amateur club I was involved with were thinking of insurance for its first team then statistics showed there was as many bad injuries in the second and third teams.
There is a tendency by some players in the reserve and lower leagues not to 'get stuck in' at the same time there are some who throw themselves into everything.
A sure recipe for injury to occur.
A small amateur club I was involved with were thinking of insurance for its first team then statistics showed there was as many bad injuries in the second and third teams.
"?What we're finding is Ross will probably make his mistakes in our first team, which could be costly to the team and the club. I've got to weigh up when and where I think I can allow that to happen."
Every week, going off the fact that Howard and Jagielka are seemingly undroppable after consistently making errors this season.
Barkley gave away a penalty. Doesn't mean he should be banished to the sin-bin. More senior players than have him have been culpable of it and faced no sanction. Ever thought of, maybe, trying to build the lads confidence up. Putting a fucking arm round him
Every week, going off the fact that Howard and Jagielka are seemingly undroppable after consistently making errors this season.
Barkley gave away a penalty. Doesn't mean he should be banished to the sin-bin. More senior players than have him have been culpable of it and faced no sanction. Ever thought of, maybe, trying to build the lads confidence up. Putting a fucking arm round him
Just putting these questions out there..
Who is Ross Barkley learning off ?
Who is teaching him the finer skills of being of top player ?
Negative players throughout the team, where is the coaching of flare / talent ?
Who is Ross Barkley learning off ?
Who is teaching him the finer skills of being of top player ?
Negative players throughout the team, where is the coaching of flare / talent ?
Ray (9) can't help but think if Fowler and Owen were played a little less in their teens, they might have played a little more in their mid to late twenties.
That said, if Barkley really is as good as we're lead to believe I don't see the point of nurturing him for someone else to get the benefit in 5 years time.
That said, if Barkley really is as good as we're lead to believe I don't see the point of nurturing him for someone else to get the benefit in 5 years time.
It didn't do Giggs any harm playing him so young did it? For every player that has become injury prone there is one who is not. It's just the usual cautious bollocks from Moyes, as some have pointed out above, just what will happen if he gets injured playing for the stiffs? An environment where there are hardly any spectators or cameras.
Jagielka has made at LEAST one mistake in EVERY game leading to a goal against/ penalty/ clear cut chance and how is he treated??? Captain.
Jagielka has made at LEAST one mistake in EVERY game leading to a goal against/ penalty/ clear cut chance and how is he treated??? Captain.
I remember the days when Moyes would give players who were on form a start, even if they were keeping supposed bigger names out.
I remember the days when Moyes wouldn't be frightened to change things if they weren't going right (remember the triple substitution against Newcastle a few years ago?) Now we see 70 minutes of football until Neville gets thrown on for damage limitation.
I remember the days when Moyes would play people in their natural position, not fretting about negating the opposition players. Now we see a return to the Smith era of round pegs in square holes.
I remember the days Moyes could fire up his team to go out onto the pitch and take the game to teams. Now we play without leadership or direction.
It's depressing.
I remember the days when Moyes wouldn't be frightened to change things if they weren't going right (remember the triple substitution against Newcastle a few years ago?) Now we see 70 minutes of football until Neville gets thrown on for damage limitation.
I remember the days when Moyes would play people in their natural position, not fretting about negating the opposition players. Now we see a return to the Smith era of round pegs in square holes.
I remember the days Moyes could fire up his team to go out onto the pitch and take the game to teams. Now we play without leadership or direction.
It's depressing.
David Moyes speakes regularly about young players getting their chance at Everton. But the reality is that this is usually down to injuries dictating the situation.
When he has a full squad, as he does now, then he reverts to type and sticks with the old guard. We have a full squad available just now so no one will break in.
When he has a full squad, as he does now, then he reverts to type and sticks with the old guard. We have a full squad available just now so no one will break in.
Yes peter, the old guard like Rodwell, Coleman and Vellios who are all getting regular gametime.
The old guard like Osman and Hibbert who were young academy graduates who have made the huge majority of their career appearances under Moyes.
The old guard like Vaughan - who Moyes clung on to for years hoping that he would get over his injuries - and Anichebe who he keeps faith in despite many fans (myself included) not rating him.
I'm as exasperated as anybody about some aspects of his management but I have total faith that he will play Barkley when he feels he is ready.
The fact is, if he hadn't given him the opportunities he has and talked him up as he has none of us would be any the wiser.
The old guard like Osman and Hibbert who were young academy graduates who have made the huge majority of their career appearances under Moyes.
The old guard like Vaughan - who Moyes clung on to for years hoping that he would get over his injuries - and Anichebe who he keeps faith in despite many fans (myself included) not rating him.
I'm as exasperated as anybody about some aspects of his management but I have total faith that he will play Barkley when he feels he is ready.
The fact is, if he hadn't given him the opportunities he has and talked him up as he has none of us would be any the wiser.
Jimmy,
I'm not sure were you are coming from here. Both Osman and Hibbert have spent plenty of time out of the 1st team down the years. Rodwell is only just really establishing himself and Coleman is the only right flank player on the clubs books.
I believe you are right about Barkley. He will play when ready. The lad has had serious injuries and requires looking after. But I do take issue with Moyes's stance that young players get a better shot at Everton. The circumstances with the seniors dictate it.
Let's hope that when Barkley is ready he will get his turn. Let's face it, the team needs freshening up.
I'm not sure were you are coming from here. Both Osman and Hibbert have spent plenty of time out of the 1st team down the years. Rodwell is only just really establishing himself and Coleman is the only right flank player on the clubs books.
I believe you are right about Barkley. He will play when ready. The lad has had serious injuries and requires looking after. But I do take issue with Moyes's stance that young players get a better shot at Everton. The circumstances with the seniors dictate it.
Let's hope that when Barkley is ready he will get his turn. Let's face it, the team needs freshening up.
Yes, Hibbert and Osman have ? like every other player ? had time out of the team. Osman, Bily, Arteta and Pienaar when they were there, Anichebe and Gueye can all play wide right but Coleman has had more than a fair run in the team. Rodwell is 20 years old and is about to make his 100th appearance, I'd say he has had faith shown in him.
Of course circumstances play a huge part, but I don't remember Moyes denying that. The fact is, the players do get a chance because more often than not circumstances allow them to.
Of course circumstances play a huge part, but I don't remember Moyes denying that. The fact is, the players do get a chance because more often than not circumstances allow them to.
I still say that given the choice DM will stick with the old guard on most occassions.
Interesting to hear that Rodwell has played 100 games.I would be curious to know how many starts are in there and also going back to my arguement how many starts would he have if it were not for the legendary injury pile up's we have and forcing the managers hand.
Im not anti DM and I am firmly in the camp that he is the best man for the job but this crowing about young players getting a go at Everton is a bit rich for me when he has a full squad he struggles to get everyone he wants into the side and youngsters are sidelined then.
Interesting to hear that Rodwell has played 100 games.I would be curious to know how many starts are in there and also going back to my arguement how many starts would he have if it were not for the legendary injury pile up's we have and forcing the managers hand.
Im not anti DM and I am firmly in the camp that he is the best man for the job but this crowing about young players getting a go at Everton is a bit rich for me when he has a full squad he struggles to get everyone he wants into the side and youngsters are sidelined then.
I don't disagree Peter, my point is that Moyes is stating a fact.
I may be wrong but I don't recall him regularly stating that young players come here because he is the one manager who will put all his faith in them. What he says is that young players get chances here, and they do. We have a small squad and a few injuries mean young players are pitched in, it's a regular thing and both Moyes and young players (and their agents) know it.
I don't actually have the Rodwell figures to hand but I would be surprised if he hasn't started somewhere around two thirds of those games.
I may be wrong but I don't recall him regularly stating that young players come here because he is the one manager who will put all his faith in them. What he says is that young players get chances here, and they do. We have a small squad and a few injuries mean young players are pitched in, it's a regular thing and both Moyes and young players (and their agents) know it.
I don't actually have the Rodwell figures to hand but I would be surprised if he hasn't started somewhere around two thirds of those games.
I think your right Jimmy. He hasnt stated that EFC is the place for youngsters to come. Although it wouldnt be a bad reputation to have would it.
In the main he tends to get the youngsters he goes after. Although he has had a couple of noteable failures ie Ramsey to Arsenal and the 2 full backs who went from Sheff Utd to Spurs.
Funnily enough it was the left back he was after but Sheffield threw in their young right back. Who has been the one to flourish. So far.
I hope that this season Rodwell can really break through and become the player we all hope he can be.
The problem for me is that DM will then need to realise that hecant fit Rodwell, Fellaini, Cahill, Osman and Barkley (Not to mention Neville) into the centre of midfield.
In the main he tends to get the youngsters he goes after. Although he has had a couple of noteable failures ie Ramsey to Arsenal and the 2 full backs who went from Sheff Utd to Spurs.
Funnily enough it was the left back he was after but Sheffield threw in their young right back. Who has been the one to flourish. So far.
I hope that this season Rodwell can really break through and become the player we all hope he can be.
The problem for me is that DM will then need to realise that hecant fit Rodwell, Fellaini, Cahill, Osman and Barkley (Not to mention Neville) into the centre of midfield.
The lad looks the bizz, gets fans on the edge of their seats, and he's then dropped to the reserves.
If I remember correctly Barkley was MOM in his first game for us, maybe even the 2nd game also.
Outshone everyone else on the park, is definately ready to be playing first team football and will make more good things happen than the odd mistake he may make.
Outshone everyone else on the park, is definately ready to be playing first team football and will make more good things happen than the odd mistake he may make.
Typical Moyes. This is one of the reasons why when Man Utd or Arsenal have a rising young star they play them and they usually shine. When we find one, Moyes inhibits them, fights with them and eventually ruins them. This is why Dan Gosling couldn't wait to leave. He may not be happy with his playing time at Newcastle but I'll bet he's glad to be away from the baleful influence of Don't Play 'Em Davey. As for mistakes, Jagielka makes more in one match than Barkley will make all season.
Exactly right Peter, faultless logic.
Welbeck and Cleverley for example, they were thrown into the United side when they were 17, played every game and never looked back.
Oxlade-Chamberlain at Arsenal too, yeah he would be our second most expensive player ever if we signed him but they took a punt and he plays 90 minutes in every game now.
Actually, thinking about it, you're talking rubbish aren't you?
Welbeck and Cleverley for example, they were thrown into the United side when they were 17, played every game and never looked back.
Oxlade-Chamberlain at Arsenal too, yeah he would be our second most expensive player ever if we signed him but they took a punt and he plays 90 minutes in every game now.
Actually, thinking about it, you're talking rubbish aren't you?
Actually Jimmy, it is you who should reconsider. Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Tom Cleverley and Daniel Welbeck beat Spurs at the start of the season in a Man Utd side with an average age of 23. There are exceptions and failures along the way with any club, but no-one can argue that Moyes has a good record bringing on youth. He blew away Gosling, he still hasn't played Rodwell in his natural position for any length of time, he's screwing with Coleman, he blew Vaughan's development, and Gosling's Jose Baxter's and now he's holding back Ross Barkley and Vellios. He has fought bitterly with Anichebe, before that Rooney. Good going Davey!
No Peter, it's definitely you.
He blew Vaughan's development? What? By playing him you mean?
Gosling is not a premier league central midfielder, he wanted to play there and was told that he was at the back of the queue. Look at all the trees he's pulled up at Newcastle eh?
And how exactly is he screwing with Coleman? He plays him every week, which seems to be exactly what you're saying he should be doing.
Jones and Smalling were established Premier League players when they were signed - and have even (shock horror) been played out of position by their manager. Imagine that.
My point was that Barkley is SEVENTEEN years old. He's a kid, and a kid who's missed over a year of his development. I want to see him in the squad but I know that if he isn't it is not because Moyes has a problem picking youngsters.
He blew Vaughan's development? What? By playing him you mean?
Gosling is not a premier league central midfielder, he wanted to play there and was told that he was at the back of the queue. Look at all the trees he's pulled up at Newcastle eh?
And how exactly is he screwing with Coleman? He plays him every week, which seems to be exactly what you're saying he should be doing.
Jones and Smalling were established Premier League players when they were signed - and have even (shock horror) been played out of position by their manager. Imagine that.
My point was that Barkley is SEVENTEEN years old. He's a kid, and a kid who's missed over a year of his development. I want to see him in the squad but I know that if he isn't it is not because Moyes has a problem picking youngsters.
I'm not advocating that Ross should start games, but he's certainly someone whose development could certainly be helped by bringing him on as a sub on occasion. Definitely in the last quarter of the game, he could pose a few questions for opposition defences on and around the edge of their own box.
I wouldnt worry about it guys.The next injury crisis only ever just around the corner.He will be a regular then.
Elain 16, Who taught rooney? How was Rooney the best player in the England team at 17 years old and the most exciting player in Europe at 18 before he broke his foot in the European Champioships? Dont worry about Ross. Some things cant be coached, youve either got it or you havnt.
I wonder if there is ONE single manager in ANY of the leagues,that would play Osman in front of Barkley...ANYONE.
Jimmy, you're right. he's doing a fantastic job as evidenced by our results, attractive and entertaining style of play and the plethora of talented and contented young players who have successfully come through the ranks into the first team in the last ten years. I could not be more hopelessly wrong - oh and Barkley should hang up his boots for the season. After all, as Moyes suggests, he can get all the Premiership experience he needs in the reserves or by getting splinters in his arse like Stracqualursi.
Did I say Moyes was doing a great job Peter?
Or did i say that he didn't have a bad record with youngsters?
I think you'll find it was the latter.
This is the problem on here, everyone gets put into a category, if you stick up for Moyes on one point he's your 'hero' and your an 'apologist'. It's embarrassing.
Personally I think he's really struggling at the moment, his tactics are too rigid, he sounds defeatist, I'm not sure why he brought in drenthe and stracqualursi and the style of football isn't great ? is that ok?
I'm not pro-Moyes or anti-Moyes, pro-Kenwright or anti-Kenwright; I'm pro-Everton and some of you need to remember you're supposed to be the same.
Or did i say that he didn't have a bad record with youngsters?
I think you'll find it was the latter.
This is the problem on here, everyone gets put into a category, if you stick up for Moyes on one point he's your 'hero' and your an 'apologist'. It's embarrassing.
Personally I think he's really struggling at the moment, his tactics are too rigid, he sounds defeatist, I'm not sure why he brought in drenthe and stracqualursi and the style of football isn't great ? is that ok?
I'm not pro-Moyes or anti-Moyes, pro-Kenwright or anti-Kenwright; I'm pro-Everton and some of you need to remember you're supposed to be the same.
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