?Sometimes Wayne would play, sometimes he wouldn't because it was right for his development and the team,? he added.
?That was the way to get young players into the team, it was the way to give them a chance without having all the major responsibility and we'll do the same with Ross. But the difference is Wayne had played every game from a boy up - he'd never really had an injury at all until his metatarsal. Ross has had a double hernia and he's also had a triple broken leg in that period, so he's missed his development. He's missed games and missed football.
?What we're finding is Ross will probably make his mistakes in our first team, which could be costly to the team and the club. I've got to weigh up when and where I think I can allow that to happen.
?Meanwhile I'll play him in as many reserve games as I can, keep getting him as many games of football as I can because he's missed two years. I need him on the pitch often.?
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1 Posted 18/10/2011 at 16:44:52
2 Posted 18/10/2011 at 17:24:01
3 Posted 18/10/2011 at 17:43:22
Alright, so he has made a couple of errors from a poor pass or two - so what? Fellaini, Jagielka, Neville, Distin - they have all committed the same errors - some on a much more regular basis, yet continue to be picked.
I say PLAY him - all those in favour......
4 Posted 18/10/2011 at 17:51:13
5 Posted 18/10/2011 at 19:04:43
6 Posted 18/10/2011 at 19:14:10
7 Posted 18/10/2011 at 19:26:31
8 Posted 18/10/2011 at 19:32:53
Moyes has hinted that he is gone in the January window.
In one of the red tops, think it was the star. He was talking about the signing of McUseless and stated something along the lines of.
' We may lose Ross in the coming window, with teams like Utd,City and Chelsea all showing an interest.
9 Posted 18/10/2011 at 19:38:51
10 Posted 18/10/2011 at 20:04:11
Seriously getting fucked off with moyes now, and he is just baffling me at the moment. I'm fed up of his misery arse face and can't bear to watch him on tv.
11 Posted 18/10/2011 at 20:51:12
I have been an avid fan for decades. I took my 5 year old lad to his first game against QPR. He love it. But I did feel as though I was inflicting a lifetime of misery on the boy!
Everton Football Club has changed. More so in the last two seasons. The decline in standards - on the pitch, at the stadium and with how the club communicate with us and the media - is startling!
There is a severe divide. Its killing us, along with a number of baffling decisions from our management.
I just dont feel the same anymore. Something is different. The usual RS I know gave me shit after the derby game and I didn't care! Usually I would be tellin the fuckers to do one! But I just didnt care...Ive completely lost interest.
My little boy keeps asking "when we going back to Goodison?"...and I really dont wanna go back there with him.
I was at a game once (cant remember who against-but we were losing) when Neville Southall came out at half time and sat against the goalpost dejected! I thought "get a grip man...loads to fight for!" But I finally realise...Southall knew back then Everton were finished as a force...forever. He mourned then...I mourn now...Im done.
12 Posted 18/10/2011 at 21:08:35
I suspect he's baffling you, and all of us, because we don't have all the facts at our disposal.
I think DM's well aware he could have a player in the Rooney mould in Ross Barkley and he is using his only bargaining chip which is first team football in negotiation of his contract and keeping the vultures at bay.. What he says to the press and what he says to the player are probably two different things.
13 Posted 18/10/2011 at 21:15:56
14 Posted 18/10/2011 at 23:47:50
There is a tendency by some players in the reserve and lower leagues not to 'get stuck in' at the same time there are some who throw themselves into everything.
A sure recipe for injury to occur.
A small amateur club I was involved with were thinking of insurance for its first team then statistics showed there was as many bad injuries in the second and third teams.
15 Posted 19/10/2011 at 00:08:10
Every week, going off the fact that Howard and Jagielka are seemingly undroppable after consistently making errors this season.
Barkley gave away a penalty. Doesn't mean he should be banished to the sin-bin. More senior players than have him have been culpable of it and faced no sanction. Ever thought of, maybe, trying to build the lads confidence up. Putting a fucking arm round him
16 Posted 19/10/2011 at 00:49:03
Who is Ross Barkley learning off ?
Who is teaching him the finer skills of being of top player ?
Negative players throughout the team, where is the coaching of flare / talent ?
17 Posted 19/10/2011 at 08:26:53
That said, if Barkley really is as good as we're lead to believe I don't see the point of nurturing him for someone else to get the benefit in 5 years time.
18 Posted 19/10/2011 at 08:42:13
Jagielka has made at LEAST one mistake in EVERY game leading to a goal against/ penalty/ clear cut chance and how is he treated??? Captain.
19 Posted 19/10/2011 at 08:52:07
I remember the days when Moyes wouldn't be frightened to change things if they weren't going right (remember the triple substitution against Newcastle a few years ago?) Now we see 70 minutes of football until Neville gets thrown on for damage limitation.
I remember the days when Moyes would play people in their natural position, not fretting about negating the opposition players. Now we see a return to the Smith era of round pegs in square holes.
I remember the days Moyes could fire up his team to go out onto the pitch and take the game to teams. Now we play without leadership or direction.
20 Posted 19/10/2011 at 09:59:15
When he has a full squad, as he does now, then he reverts to type and sticks with the old guard. We have a full squad available just now so no one will break in.
21 Posted 19/10/2011 at 13:00:09
The old guard like Osman and Hibbert who were young academy graduates who have made the huge majority of their career appearances under Moyes.
The old guard like Vaughan - who Moyes clung on to for years hoping that he would get over his injuries - and Anichebe who he keeps faith in despite many fans (myself included) not rating him.
I'm as exasperated as anybody about some aspects of his management but I have total faith that he will play Barkley when he feels he is ready.
The fact is, if he hadn't given him the opportunities he has and talked him up as he has none of us would be any the wiser.
22 Posted 19/10/2011 at 13:31:28
I'm not sure were you are coming from here. Both Osman and Hibbert have spent plenty of time out of the 1st team down the years. Rodwell is only just really establishing himself and Coleman is the only right flank player on the clubs books.
I believe you are right about Barkley. He will play when ready. The lad has had serious injuries and requires looking after. But I do take issue with Moyes's stance that young players get a better shot at Everton. The circumstances with the seniors dictate it.
Let's hope that when Barkley is ready he will get his turn. Let's face it, the team needs freshening up.
23 Posted 19/10/2011 at 13:49:04
Of course circumstances play a huge part, but I don't remember Moyes denying that. The fact is, the players do get a chance because more often than not circumstances allow them to.
24 Posted 19/10/2011 at 14:38:18
Interesting to hear that Rodwell has played 100 games.I would be curious to know how many starts are in there and also going back to my arguement how many starts would he have if it were not for the legendary injury pile up's we have and forcing the managers hand.
Im not anti DM and I am firmly in the camp that he is the best man for the job but this crowing about young players getting a go at Everton is a bit rich for me when he has a full squad he struggles to get everyone he wants into the side and youngsters are sidelined then.
25 Posted 19/10/2011 at 15:48:40
I may be wrong but I don't recall him regularly stating that young players come here because he is the one manager who will put all his faith in them. What he says is that young players get chances here, and they do. We have a small squad and a few injuries mean young players are pitched in, it's a regular thing and both Moyes and young players (and their agents) know it.
I don't actually have the Rodwell figures to hand but I would be surprised if he hasn't started somewhere around two thirds of those games.
26 Posted 19/10/2011 at 17:06:17
In the main he tends to get the youngsters he goes after. Although he has had a couple of noteable failures ie Ramsey to Arsenal and the 2 full backs who went from Sheff Utd to Spurs.
Funnily enough it was the left back he was after but Sheffield threw in their young right back. Who has been the one to flourish. So far.
I hope that this season Rodwell can really break through and become the player we all hope he can be.
The problem for me is that DM will then need to realise that hecant fit Rodwell, Fellaini, Cahill, Osman and Barkley (Not to mention Neville) into the centre of midfield.
27 Posted 19/10/2011 at 18:27:34
28 Posted 19/10/2011 at 19:32:53
Outshone everyone else on the park, is definately ready to be playing first team football and will make more good things happen than the odd mistake he may make.
29 Posted 19/10/2011 at 21:24:33
30 Posted 19/10/2011 at 21:35:10
Welbeck and Cleverley for example, they were thrown into the United side when they were 17, played every game and never looked back.
Oxlade-Chamberlain at Arsenal too, yeah he would be our second most expensive player ever if we signed him but they took a punt and he plays 90 minutes in every game now.
Actually, thinking about it, you're talking rubbish aren't you?
31 Posted 19/10/2011 at 21:57:20
32 Posted 20/10/2011 at 10:29:25
He blew Vaughan's development? What? By playing him you mean?
Gosling is not a premier league central midfielder, he wanted to play there and was told that he was at the back of the queue. Look at all the trees he's pulled up at Newcastle eh?
And how exactly is he screwing with Coleman? He plays him every week, which seems to be exactly what you're saying he should be doing.
Jones and Smalling were established Premier League players when they were signed - and have even (shock horror) been played out of position by their manager. Imagine that.
My point was that Barkley is SEVENTEEN years old. He's a kid, and a kid who's missed over a year of his development. I want to see him in the squad but I know that if he isn't it is not because Moyes has a problem picking youngsters.
33 Posted 20/10/2011 at 11:49:41
34 Posted 20/10/2011 at 12:37:59
35 Posted 20/10/2011 at 12:57:11
36 Posted 20/10/2011 at 17:53:38
37 Posted 20/10/2011 at 21:31:03
38 Posted 21/10/2011 at 14:06:21
Or did i say that he didn't have a bad record with youngsters?
I think you'll find it was the latter.
This is the problem on here, everyone gets put into a category, if you stick up for Moyes on one point he's your 'hero' and your an 'apologist'. It's embarrassing.
Personally I think he's really struggling at the moment, his tactics are too rigid, he sounds defeatist, I'm not sure why he brought in drenthe and stracqualursi and the style of football isn't great ? is that ok?
I'm not pro-Moyes or anti-Moyes, pro-Kenwright or anti-Kenwright; I'm pro-Everton and some of you need to remember you're supposed to be the same.
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