Everton News, Season 2011-12
Blues blast beats Blackpool bravado
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Everton started brilliantly, a good move down the left seeing Baines feed Gueye who advanced and crossed in classic style, Fellaini setting up Drenthe for a lovely curled shot that had Goodison rocking in the sunshiine on the first attack inside 48 seconds!!!
The Blues followed that up by scoring in the 7th minutes, Stracqualursi poking home from close range at the second attempt off a top-class Drenthe corner that was glanced on by Fellaini as Blackpool's defence appeared transfixed. Anticipation of a rare Goodison Goalfest was palpable...
But Blackpool forced their way back into it a little after the early maelstrom, winning a dangerous free-kick that Phillips drove into the Everton wall. Then Howard had to come out and make a desperate block on Taylor-Fletcher as he went to shoot off a dangerous throughball from Taylor that sliced through the Blues defence. Taylor-Fletcher came off worst in the clash and was replaced by Bednar after extensive treatment that ended with him being carried off on a stretcher.
Everton put together another couple of pacey attacks that both deserve goals, Drenthe again pushing forward and feeding a great ball to Gueye but Gibson stole it off his foot and made an awful mess of a great chance. Then Gueye got forward down the left and played in a top-notch cross that was just a foot or so too fast for Stracqualursi to convert. Great attacking football!!!!
But Everton played part of the first half in less adventurous manner, resorting to the dreadful plays from advanced positions all the way back to Howard for the pointless big hoof that hands over possession! Maddening.
They got into better mode before the break, putting in a couple more worthwhile attacks that almost came off: Fellaini having a feirce drive shot deflected wide, Stracqualursi heading a great cross just over the bar, and Drenthe curled a lovely free-kick just over the angle.
At the other end, Howard had to stretch for a Sylvester grass-cutter that earnt a corner which led to a couple more that Everton defended solidly through to the break.
Fellaini had what looked like two good chances on 50 minutes but could not wrap his foot around it, one a great set-up by Stracq that Harris somehow blocked for a corner, and off the Drenthe short corner, Neville's cross fell nicely for a volley the Big Belgian got all wrong.
Seamus Coleman made a welcome return, replacing Magaye Gueye, who had played well. Drenthe, full of energy, powered a fantastic drive to the top corner that forded a good save for Gilks. Off the corner a free header for Heitinga squirmed over the bar.
At the other end, Bednar won another clever free-kick, backing into Heitinga, but Phillips thankfully drove it straight at Howard. Another Phillips free-kick was a humdinger that glanced off the far angle of the Gwladys Street goal as Blackpool did their best to unsettle the comfortable home side.
A final throw of the dice from Ian Holloway: a double substitution with 20 mins left, to see if Blackpool could get something after dominating the second half as Everton returned into their familiar defensive shell, happy with a defendable two-goal lead, a really poor Drenthe corner summing up the mindset of "we have what we hold". Even when they did produce a decent counter attack, Coleman went on one of his trademark runs and cut a perfect ball back to Stracq who lazily shanked it high, wide and horrible.
Into the last 10 minutes and Coleman at least was having some fun, and another great run set up Fellaini at the far post but his shot beat the keeper only to be blocked away off the line. A fantastic Drenthe cross came in from the left, set up perfectlyfor Fellaini to nod the ball over the bar!!! Incredibly sequence of misses by the big man.
Young Ross Barkley was then introduced for his 2012 debut in place of Gibson, as Everton put more pressure for a rousing end to the match,a great Baines cross falling for Coleman at the far post that he drove in but it would have gone wide if not saved by Gilks. Vellios then replace Stracq for the last few minutes.
A fantastic Lua Lua strike in the dying minutes forced a fingertip save off Howard that glanced off the post. Then Bednar again conned the ref, fouling Heitinga to win a very bizarre penalty that Phillips, with hearts apounding, justly blasted over.
In the end, it was a comfortable and 'professional' win. It could have been a monsoon of goals for the big crowd (38,347) after the initial flood... but this is Everton and a big win with more than two goals is a very rare thing these days. 6th Round here we come!
Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Heitinga, Distin, Baines, Gueye (57' Coleman), Gibson (81' Barkley), Neville, Fellaini, Drenthe, Stracqualursi (89' Vellios).
Subs: Hahnemann, Silva, Forshaw, Baxter.
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I'm sure he does it just to wind fans up. Ah well... could be a masterstroke.
G'day all...I feel reassured by the fact that Phil Neville "has an axe to grind"....so we should be fine...
Subs: Hahnemann, Barkley, Vellios, Silva, Forshaw, Baxter, Coleman
Bare bones me thinks. Even Silva is on the bench
Bare bones me thinks. Even Silva is on the bench
Gueye and Drenthe supplying the Straq and Felli?
Well theres a surprise: 4-5-1 it is. But then Davey is always predictable.
So, what is going on with Victor? Is he injured? The only spell of form in his career and he disappears. Anyone know the real story?
What's up with Cahill?
Why is he breaking up the central midfield that has done so well? Would rather see Vellios or even Baxter up top with Denis than Neville moved into midfield.
Oh FFS, just seen the line-up: Mick Lyons number two Phil Neville in the midfield, all we need now is the quote "We'll do it for the fans"!
I can't fucking believe the line-up ? 3 defensive midfielders: Gibson, Neville, Fellaini - Fella might be more busy up front, I suppose...
Fuck me, Moyes, how to dispel the excitement of last week.
Fuck me, Moyes, how to dispel the excitement of last week.
Shit on a stick. Neville in midfield. Come on the Seasiders!
Forward, 2 wingers, and not sure why you think Fella is defensive... Paul, take a happy pill please.
Don't care who's playing once they win the fucking game.
Rooney, Big Dunc and Davey Weir all watching the blues today!
Good link: http://tykestv.eu/channel1.php
Good link: http://tykestv.eu/channel1.php
Blackpool playing with 3 up front. Only ever seen us play 3 strikers once or twice and thats been because they were filing in another position
Drenthe!!!! YESSSS
Drenthe!!!!!!!
Get in
Get in
Ohhh. 48 seconds!!
Get in already!!!! One-nil!!!
Goalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Royston!!!
Great finish! Bit of a shame no Donavan but that makes it better.
Stracq attack: 2-0
Denissssssssssss
When did Gibson become a defensive midfielder? And from the looks of things, Moyes has got this right. COYB
Quite happy we won but if the phoney pen had gone in we could have blown it courtesy of three missed sitters by Felli and a couple by Shaqu and Coleman in the last 15.
In the end, a pretty easy passage into Round 6 and another great team effort; it won't get any easier though...
In the end, a pretty easy passage into Round 6 and another great team effort; it won't get any easier though...
John Adams ? Thanks a lot for the stream. I got it on with ten minutes gone and thought i would sit there and watch us score 4 or 5. Then there was a knock at the door and it was my Nan. So I ended up spending the afternoon cleaning my house.
From what I saw, which wasn't too much, it looked like we were pretty comfortable. A great finish from Royston and I thought Seamus looked quite sharp bearing in mind he has been out for a while.
Can't wait for the draw. COYB.
From what I saw, which wasn't too much, it looked like we were pretty comfortable. A great finish from Royston and I thought Seamus looked quite sharp bearing in mind he has been out for a while.
Can't wait for the draw. COYB.
Drenthe's best game in a blue shirt! Stracq's looking more settled.
I don't know how we didn't win Six-Nil. Looking forward to the next round.
I don't know how we didn't win Six-Nil. Looking forward to the next round.
Three post match comments at seven oclock ! . .THREE ! ! !
I take it we exended our unbeaten run, played fast attacking footie, got through to the quater final of the cup and disproved all the claims that people are voting with their feet in protest against Moyes by pulling in a bumper crowd . .why else would there only be THREE posts?
"We`re on the march with Moysies army"
I take it we exended our unbeaten run, played fast attacking footie, got through to the quater final of the cup and disproved all the claims that people are voting with their feet in protest against Moyes by pulling in a bumper crowd . .why else would there only be THREE posts?
"We`re on the march with Moysies army"
Everyone is so delerious Dave, that they just cant muster the energy!!!
What looked a shocking 451 turned out to be a fine use of 433.
Given Moyes' tactics in this run post 741 says more about itself and the like minded MOB than of Moyes.
Given Moyes' tactics in this run post 741 says more about itself and the like minded MOB than of Moyes.
What about #753 Nick - THREE defending midfielders . .did you see them ?
Nick
Who or what is a "MOB"? and where is TM these days?
Who or what is a "MOB"? and where is TM these days?
Really enjoyed what could have been a banana skin game today. Two early goals allowed us to dictate the pace of the game. I can't think of a player who deserves stick for anything and Moyes done well with his tactics and substitutions.
That's probably why there's only 5 posts nearly 2 and a half hours after the game.
That's probably why there's only 5 posts nearly 2 and a half hours after the game.
Dean, I think it means Moyes Out Brigade. Don't hold me to that though.
Davey`s right ? `win a few and the critics just fade away!`
Nothing to moan about so nobody posts.
Kenwright now an irrelevalence and Moyes once more our hero!
WHWC!
Nothing to moan about so nobody posts.
Kenwright now an irrelevalence and Moyes once more our hero!
WHWC!
TM?
Didn't he scarper two rounds ago after he confidently told the people who hang onto his every word what would happen "WHEN Fulham beat us"??
BTW, did Radio Merseyside go down today?
Didn't he scarper two rounds ago after he confidently told the people who hang onto his every word what would happen "WHEN Fulham beat us"??
BTW, did Radio Merseyside go down today?
Okay,Dave. Fine performance,great result, great turnout. It just shows how finely balanced a season can be. Onwards and upwards. This is our year for the cup.
Phil Neville did his job today.
A formalty against a poor Blackpool side especially after the first 7 minutes which still begs the question why start with only 1 striker yet again. Fellaini proved he is not a striker despite several close range efforts. Drenthe was the star and can play all across midfield.
Still, some woeful tackling when unecessary encouraged Blackpool a little but what a farsical penalty award.
Still, some woeful tackling when unecessary encouraged Blackpool a little but what a farsical penalty award.
Doddy.
Kenwright will never be an irrelvence.
You do spout shite sometimes mate.
Kenwright will never be an irrelvence.
You do spout shite sometimes mate.
Overall, the game itself doesn't need too much comment - its just good that our lads had very little trouble turning superiority into a result. This is something that we can do with more of more consistently.
Some interesting questions come out of the game though. Fellaini as a forward? - a bit like a kid in a sweetshop today - but not what he is best at.
And the amazing Drenthe. How do we get the best out of him? I wonder what the Real Madrid watchers are making of his performances? Will they want him back? Or what kind of price will they put on him?
Maybe it was only an under-strength Blackpool - although any cup tie is always a cup tie - but seeing Fellaini and Drenthe in full flow in blue shirts is such a great experience. Then there's El Stracq of course.
Some interesting questions come out of the game though. Fellaini as a forward? - a bit like a kid in a sweetshop today - but not what he is best at.
And the amazing Drenthe. How do we get the best out of him? I wonder what the Real Madrid watchers are making of his performances? Will they want him back? Or what kind of price will they put on him?
Maybe it was only an under-strength Blackpool - although any cup tie is always a cup tie - but seeing Fellaini and Drenthe in full flow in blue shirts is such a great experience. Then there's El Stracq of course.
Great result and here's to another home draw in the quarters. Put on players with a positive outlook and similarly positive tactics and the results follow. Simples. Moyes seems to have woken from the slumber; with both he and his players admitting that they've had a kick in the arris / shot in the arm recently and it's showing.
However, Mr. Dodd (and others) a few positive results remedies only the short term and the fundamental weakness of the Club financially and the fraility of the squad longer term are still with us. They provide an excuse for the myopic to pretend all is well when this is true only superficially.
I dislike either "side" using a good or bad result to advance their respective position on either BK, DM or whatever.
Loving what is becoming a great cup run though. Bring em on in round six !! COYB
However, Mr. Dodd (and others) a few positive results remedies only the short term and the fundamental weakness of the Club financially and the fraility of the squad longer term are still with us. They provide an excuse for the myopic to pretend all is well when this is true only superficially.
I dislike either "side" using a good or bad result to advance their respective position on either BK, DM or whatever.
Loving what is becoming a great cup run though. Bring em on in round six !! COYB
Hopefully Drenthe will keep his place now and take over from where Donovan left off, giving us pace down the right and balance with Stevie Pienaar on the left. I'd love to see Drenthe and Piennar on the wings with Fellaini and Rodwell central... maybe Gibson too, or, if Moyes is feeling adventurous, Stracq and Jelavic up front when he's recovered from inflammation of the pubic bone (must be a first in football injuries) .
Fair play to DM. I've criticised him this year but he seems to have now sorted the defence, got some balance, and got one or two scoring. Hope he doesn't put Jagielka, Osman & Coleman back in or reward Neville with a role cos of one decent game today. Those four are negative players.
Right now, Heitinga, Drenthe, Hibbert and the midfield and defence as a unit are playing well together. Don't meddle with it just to please your bum-chums, Davey!
Fair play to DM. I've criticised him this year but he seems to have now sorted the defence, got some balance, and got one or two scoring. Hope he doesn't put Jagielka, Osman & Coleman back in or reward Neville with a role cos of one decent game today. Those four are negative players.
Right now, Heitinga, Drenthe, Hibbert and the midfield and defence as a unit are playing well together. Don't meddle with it just to please your bum-chums, Davey!
Best football of the season so far, one- and two-touch attacking football... is that because Cahill wasn't playing??
Fellaini is too slow to play up front. I don't know why Moyes has never tried Drenthe in that position behind the striker, he has the pace and shot to play there. Whenever he is on the wing, as good as he is going forward, he leaves gaps defensively in a way that Pienaar doesn't. Behind the striker with no responsibility would be a great way to get him, Pienaar, and Coleman/Gueye all in the team and turn Moyes 4-5-1 into more of a 4-4-2.
So ? with Pienaar, Stracq and Drenthe all loanees, and having wasted cash on Gibson (not bad player but we have the two wingers I've mentioned plus Rodwell, Fellaini, Barkley and Cahill) and taken on this new Portuguese player from City ? who should we sign up and who to let go?
Personally I'd sell Jags if Arsenal still wants him (we have Duffy, Distin and Heitinga) and use some of that cash to tie those loanees down then some to appease the banks and maybe a few quid left to strengthen and for gods sake do it all at the very start of the summer window and get them bedded in.
Personally I'd sell Jags if Arsenal still wants him (we have Duffy, Distin and Heitinga) and use some of that cash to tie those loanees down then some to appease the banks and maybe a few quid left to strengthen and for gods sake do it all at the very start of the summer window and get them bedded in.
This has probably got to be the first game this season where we have created numerous chances and could have won by a canter. I don't want to put a downer on what's been a good run of late but why does it take Moyes so long to blood in the like of Coleman, Stracq etc. I guess we'll have to wait next season before Barkley comes of the bench and the season after before he becomes a regular.
Well done the Toffees - hope Rooney paid double for his seat, didn't get a free cuppa at half time, and stood in dog shit on his way out
Keith@405 - Drenthe is out of contract with Real Madrid this summer so they have no say in what he does, he can sign for us if he wants and Everton want him, for no fee.
Of course he can also sign for anyone else . . maybe why Moyesy keeps criticising him in public.
Of course he can also sign for anyone else . . maybe why Moyesy keeps criticising him in public.
Also - where was Duffy today?
Barkley came off the bench rapier Kunal.
Mr Wilson,
I think you can safely assume that the lack of responses is tacit support for the manager and result.
He did what he's paid to do. It's understandable that we're more vociferous when he doesn't do what he's paid to do.
Mr Wilson,
I think you can safely assume that the lack of responses is tacit support for the manager and result.
He did what he's paid to do. It's understandable that we're more vociferous when he doesn't do what he's paid to do.
Dave Wilson; as one of the MOB I am not that churlish as to keep on kicking him for no good reason because the performances HAVE CHANGED for the better. Which was all this member ever wanted, you might find it hard to believe but I did and do know that there were factors that didn't help him.
But those factors were no excuse for negative "knife to a gunfight" surrender-monkey bollocks in team formation and ethos.
The last few weeks, this has improved and the square peg ratio has dropped away, so it doesn't come as any surprise to me at least, that both performances AND results have improved. So at the moment there is no need for Moyes to go.
But if multi 'D' aliterative Davey comes back, watch the howls commence and IMO, with good cause.
See also Steve Guy, #819
But those factors were no excuse for negative "knife to a gunfight" surrender-monkey bollocks in team formation and ethos.
The last few weeks, this has improved and the square peg ratio has dropped away, so it doesn't come as any surprise to me at least, that both performances AND results have improved. So at the moment there is no need for Moyes to go.
But if multi 'D' aliterative Davey comes back, watch the howls commence and IMO, with good cause.
See also Steve Guy, #819
Unfortunately people on here (and in general) prefer to moan rather than praise. But don't worry, if we lose the next one, there will be 50 odd post insulting the manager within two hours.
Good result today and performance. Arsenal going out has increased our prospects, and I think we would be in with a very realistic chance of winning the cup if we could use Pienarr and Donovan. Without them it will be very hard, but hopefully we can get another good draw, have Spurs draw Liverpool and so get rid of one of them, and then see where we are :D Also means that for another few weeks at least, we are in with a shot of winning a trophy, which is always nice. :)
Good result today and performance. Arsenal going out has increased our prospects, and I think we would be in with a very realistic chance of winning the cup if we could use Pienarr and Donovan. Without them it will be very hard, but hopefully we can get another good draw, have Spurs draw Liverpool and so get rid of one of them, and then see where we are :D Also means that for another few weeks at least, we are in with a shot of winning a trophy, which is always nice. :)
You gotta love it really, we beat a very poor Blackpool side who we were odds on favourites to put to bed by two goals and all of the sudden the world is turning on a different axis, its full steam ahead to glory, Moyes is a genius and Kenwright is, what did you say, ?irrelevant?. It?s not hard to imagine Doddy urging his driver to speed up on the Formby by-pass so that he can start tapping in self-righteous mode. Quite frankly, I wish there had been many more of those days this season.
This is side-splitting: ?win a few and the critics just fade away!` (you went missing for an entire month Dodd and I don?t see you showing up again and again on these boards the times when it all goes pear-shaped ? Janus-faced Doddy).
Has it not occurred to you that people who correctly lambast and lampoon Moyes on here are very bit as pleased as punch as you when EFC win: not smug, not smarmy, just very happy. Has it ever occurred to you and your brother-in-complacent mediocrity, Wilson:
(1) That for the most past people who whine about Moyes ? even those who criticize him personally and caricature him ? would much rather like it if he actually turned a corner and did, consistently, not one game, not two or three, but consistently, what they ask of him.
(2) That the sheer joy and relief at seeing something done well ? and let?s not kid ourselves here, a sprint out of the blocks was followed by a canter for much of the rest of the game with concern expressed about not closing down the match (main culprits: Fella and the still yet-to-prove-himself Gibson) makes anyone who supports Everton happy and in a more charitable mood, for a while at any rate, or at least it ought to. Your points about silence and whatever else are just plain stupid and belong in your playground milieu and mind.
(3) That tonight ? or afternoon in my case and I?m watching the match again as I tap ? is not a time to call for Moyes?s head to be chopped because today he did his job properly for the most part, and deserves a pat on the back not a clap around the earhole. If someone who criticizes Moyes roundly one day cannot praise him when things go well, as I and many others did after Chelski, then that is blinkered belligerent nonsense. But it is not blinkered belligerent nonsense to hold concerns about Moyes and EFC that cannot be dispelled by a handful of decent performances.
(4) That if we really do turn round a corner and sail home this season with a cup under our belts then people who currently oppose or take jabs at Moyes actually might start to have second thoughts because, at the end of the day, regardless of who is in the hot seat, the one thing that everyone prays for is a team half as good as in 1985-87 and then perhaps later on, getting even better.
Well done today lads. Well done Moyes. I wont hold my breadth, but it would be so nice if this could become a consistent pattern as criticism can be a little bit more tiring for those who point the finger than the sort of complacent be-grateful-for-what-you-get passivity of Dodd, Wilson, and their ilk.
This is side-splitting: ?win a few and the critics just fade away!` (you went missing for an entire month Dodd and I don?t see you showing up again and again on these boards the times when it all goes pear-shaped ? Janus-faced Doddy).
Has it not occurred to you that people who correctly lambast and lampoon Moyes on here are very bit as pleased as punch as you when EFC win: not smug, not smarmy, just very happy. Has it ever occurred to you and your brother-in-complacent mediocrity, Wilson:
(1) That for the most past people who whine about Moyes ? even those who criticize him personally and caricature him ? would much rather like it if he actually turned a corner and did, consistently, not one game, not two or three, but consistently, what they ask of him.
(2) That the sheer joy and relief at seeing something done well ? and let?s not kid ourselves here, a sprint out of the blocks was followed by a canter for much of the rest of the game with concern expressed about not closing down the match (main culprits: Fella and the still yet-to-prove-himself Gibson) makes anyone who supports Everton happy and in a more charitable mood, for a while at any rate, or at least it ought to. Your points about silence and whatever else are just plain stupid and belong in your playground milieu and mind.
(3) That tonight ? or afternoon in my case and I?m watching the match again as I tap ? is not a time to call for Moyes?s head to be chopped because today he did his job properly for the most part, and deserves a pat on the back not a clap around the earhole. If someone who criticizes Moyes roundly one day cannot praise him when things go well, as I and many others did after Chelski, then that is blinkered belligerent nonsense. But it is not blinkered belligerent nonsense to hold concerns about Moyes and EFC that cannot be dispelled by a handful of decent performances.
(4) That if we really do turn round a corner and sail home this season with a cup under our belts then people who currently oppose or take jabs at Moyes actually might start to have second thoughts because, at the end of the day, regardless of who is in the hot seat, the one thing that everyone prays for is a team half as good as in 1985-87 and then perhaps later on, getting even better.
Well done today lads. Well done Moyes. I wont hold my breadth, but it would be so nice if this could become a consistent pattern as criticism can be a little bit more tiring for those who point the finger than the sort of complacent be-grateful-for-what-you-get passivity of Dodd, Wilson, and their ilk.
Andy 808
I had to do some research in case I had been rolling them too thick. Derek Dougan did get charged with aggravated burglary (and acquitted!) Not a Burglar Bill type of thing ? more a "domestic ". All part of his very colourful life. They don't make 'em like the Doog no more...
I had to do some research in case I had been rolling them too thick. Derek Dougan did get charged with aggravated burglary (and acquitted!) Not a Burglar Bill type of thing ? more a "domestic ". All part of his very colourful life. They don't make 'em like the Doog no more...
Peter Hall - thanks, I'd fogotten that, but I see you take my point. Drenthe is potentially a very expensive player, so let's hope he takes the Fellaini line of 'this is the club who gave me my chance...' and joins the family. God knows who his financial advisors are, but at least we have Heitinga working with him every day, which will count for a lot I hope.
And Duffy was on the injured list before the game.
And Duffy was on the injured list before the game.
Paul Ferry,
I didn`t think you could bring yourself to enjoy our triumph too much! As for me going missing, I said at the beginning of January that I would not post until we could see what `came through the window`.
ps: You must have been the only one who missed me. I`m moved!
I didn`t think you could bring yourself to enjoy our triumph too much! As for me going missing, I said at the beginning of January that I would not post until we could see what `came through the window`.
ps: You must have been the only one who missed me. I`m moved!
Looking ahead to Sundays 6th round draw, here's my predictions of who will be in the hat.
As long as we don't get one of the Premier League teams away I can see us getting into the semis. We've been lucky with home draws up until now, let's hope it continues.
Chelsea
Everton
Bolton
Leicester
Sunderland
Stoke
Spurs
Liverpool
As long as we don't get one of the Premier League teams away I can see us getting into the semis. We've been lucky with home draws up until now, let's hope it continues.
Chelsea
Everton
Bolton
Leicester
Sunderland
Stoke
Spurs
Liverpool
Number 2 ...
Everton
Will play...
Number 1...
Liverpool or Brighton and Hove Albion
Everton
Will play...
Number 1...
Liverpool or Brighton and Hove Albion
Bring on the red shite at Goodison!
Gotta be honest, Phil. If you're right, Brighton and Hove look a bit intimidating.
Dave #799, everyone was probably still in the pub celebrating and waiting for the Arse game to come on.
In my case I was fast asleep on the couch as it was midnight here.
As for bumper crowd it's lucky Blackpool brought 6,000+ with them, not many away teams do that.
What's WHWC Doddy?
In my case I was fast asleep on the couch as it was midnight here.
As for bumper crowd it's lucky Blackpool brought 6,000+ with them, not many away teams do that.
What's WHWC Doddy?
Paul #841, spot on, just because some of the Moyes supporters can't criticise him when he shows incompetence doesn't mean that the MOB can't praise him or be satisfied when he gets it right, which he has done in the big games against Chelsea and City recently, but not against Wigan. It appears he got it right yesterday, we don't get FA Cup matches here is Oz so I won't comment on the match.
Well done blues and well done Moyes, keep it up, be positive and I'll change my mind AGAIN based on the evidence I see before me, not some entrenched and miopic viewpoint I must stick too despite evidence to the contrary.
How is that hard to understand?
Well done blues and well done Moyes, keep it up, be positive and I'll change my mind AGAIN based on the evidence I see before me, not some entrenched and miopic viewpoint I must stick too despite evidence to the contrary.
How is that hard to understand?
I think the posts asking where the MOB are after every win are becoming the most predictable thing about EFC.
I would have commented straight after the game, except it was 3am and I still didn't quite know what to make of the game.
For the most part, Moyes selected a good side today, although I'm unsure as to what Fellaini needs to do to prove to DM that he is not a forward.
Two of our best players were our wingers, and both should have had at least a goal each (Drenthe probably should have had two, and Gueye gets the award for most self control for not absolutely throttling Gibson for taking the ball off of him).
I'm sorry, but the question has to be asked, if Pienaar wasn't cup tied and Landon didn't have the flu, would either of those wingers have started?
Obviously, that raises the question, would our performance have been any worse? Maybe not, but to have both those players playing the way they did today, I'd happily have the other two on the bench.
Coleman was very good when he came on, and brought the game back to life, after the middle half had turned into an absolute bore. So boring that the ref decided to brighten things up by awarding THAT penalty - did the Blackpool players even appeal?
All in all, a cup win is a cup win, but it would have been nice to see better finishing from the lads who had the chances - 4/5-0 possibly?
I would have commented straight after the game, except it was 3am and I still didn't quite know what to make of the game.
For the most part, Moyes selected a good side today, although I'm unsure as to what Fellaini needs to do to prove to DM that he is not a forward.
Two of our best players were our wingers, and both should have had at least a goal each (Drenthe probably should have had two, and Gueye gets the award for most self control for not absolutely throttling Gibson for taking the ball off of him).
I'm sorry, but the question has to be asked, if Pienaar wasn't cup tied and Landon didn't have the flu, would either of those wingers have started?
Obviously, that raises the question, would our performance have been any worse? Maybe not, but to have both those players playing the way they did today, I'd happily have the other two on the bench.
Coleman was very good when he came on, and brought the game back to life, after the middle half had turned into an absolute bore. So boring that the ref decided to brighten things up by awarding THAT penalty - did the Blackpool players even appeal?
All in all, a cup win is a cup win, but it would have been nice to see better finishing from the lads who had the chances - 4/5-0 possibly?
Paul Ferry # 841 Spot on as usual mate especially about Doddy and his friend the inconsequential Dave Wilson. These Moyesophiles are just as pedantic in criticising the Moyes critics as they accuse the critics of being.
Just a note to the Moyes Boys: we support Everton and, if we perceive Davey Boy as the source of the problems and crap performances, we reserve the right to say so. But no Ds for Davey today ? a positive performance all round which should have produced more goals.
Drenthe played great today and so did Gueye and Stracq and Howard dominated his area too just shows what a couple of positive attacking players can do to a team.
Got a close up of Gueye on TV just before he was subbed and he looked shagged out and was sweating profusely so he was either carrying an injury or is just not match fit at all and if that is the case the Finch Farm trainers really need to step up.
Just a note to the Moyes Boys: we support Everton and, if we perceive Davey Boy as the source of the problems and crap performances, we reserve the right to say so. But no Ds for Davey today ? a positive performance all round which should have produced more goals.
Drenthe played great today and so did Gueye and Stracq and Howard dominated his area too just shows what a couple of positive attacking players can do to a team.
Got a close up of Gueye on TV just before he was subbed and he looked shagged out and was sweating profusely so he was either carrying an injury or is just not match fit at all and if that is the case the Finch Farm trainers really need to step up.
As usual, Doddy, you gloss over the real issues and questions ? sadly.
Roman "although I'm unsure as to what Fellaini needs to do to prove to DM that he is not a forward."
Well based on his performance yesterday it's confusing, either;
he IS a forward as he had 4 shots at goal from the six yard box
or
he's not a forward 'cos he missed them ALL.
Well based on his performance yesterday it's confusing, either;
he IS a forward as he had 4 shots at goal from the six yard box
or
he's not a forward 'cos he missed them ALL.
Eric, I think the latter is the answer. He was unlucky that a couple of his efforts produced very good saves, and the way he set Drenthe up showed very good awareness, but he is by no means a forward.
I guess he just isn't as good holding midfielder as Neville.
I guess he just isn't as good holding midfielder as Neville.
But the problem is Roman, why weren't our forward (s) in the position Fellaini was in? At least if he's in a poistion to miss 4 sitters there's a good chance he'll eventually get one in.
Personally I've not thought much of Fellaini up to now although this season he seems much improved in some games and even more so lately. Whether that's 'cos he has Gibson next to him now we will only know when Gibson is dropped.
Personally I've not thought much of Fellaini up to now although this season he seems much improved in some games and even more so lately. Whether that's 'cos he has Gibson next to him now we will only know when Gibson is dropped.
Roman #864.
I dont subscribe to using terms like "MOB". I feel it would put me on the same level as people who use brainless terms like Moysophiles.
However I think my question#799 was a valid one.
I usually have a decent bevy after the game but had to give it a miss yesterday. I wasn't too bothered because I thought these pages would be on fire with people discussing the the next round and the possibility of Wembley.
I was gutted when I saw only three post match posts at Seven oclock.
Now the claim often made by the more anti Moyes people is that if we do well, they will be the first to come out and say so, but they dont do they ? this thread proves that.
Paul Ferry sends another epic posts denigrating our win and attacking anyone who doesnt agree with him, in his last paragraph of his whine he offers a rather grudging "well done" but he "wont be holding his breath".
Robbie Shields agree`s with his attacks. Both men rather bizarrely cling to the belief that a"myopic" band of people who think Moyes can do no wrong actually exists. are these guys for real ?
Predictable Peter Praises Paul. He Points to the Pedantry of others in a Pathetic attempt to Pretend they didnt look Prats with their Pointless, Pessimistic Pre- match Prattle, Predicting negative Patterns of Play - Pity.
The Point (sorry - point ) I`m trying to make Roman is :
I`m not attacking anybody, but If all these people who flood these pages after a defeat actually do (as they claim ) come on and offer praise for a win or a seven match unbeaten run . . .
Where are they ?
I dont subscribe to using terms like "MOB". I feel it would put me on the same level as people who use brainless terms like Moysophiles.
However I think my question#799 was a valid one.
I usually have a decent bevy after the game but had to give it a miss yesterday. I wasn't too bothered because I thought these pages would be on fire with people discussing the the next round and the possibility of Wembley.
I was gutted when I saw only three post match posts at Seven oclock.
Now the claim often made by the more anti Moyes people is that if we do well, they will be the first to come out and say so, but they dont do they ? this thread proves that.
Paul Ferry sends another epic posts denigrating our win and attacking anyone who doesnt agree with him, in his last paragraph of his whine he offers a rather grudging "well done" but he "wont be holding his breath".
Robbie Shields agree`s with his attacks. Both men rather bizarrely cling to the belief that a"myopic" band of people who think Moyes can do no wrong actually exists. are these guys for real ?
Predictable Peter Praises Paul. He Points to the Pedantry of others in a Pathetic attempt to Pretend they didnt look Prats with their Pointless, Pessimistic Pre- match Prattle, Predicting negative Patterns of Play - Pity.
The Point (sorry - point ) I`m trying to make Roman is :
I`m not attacking anybody, but If all these people who flood these pages after a defeat actually do (as they claim ) come on and offer praise for a win or a seven match unbeaten run . . .
Where are they ?
Eric #861
Many of those 6,000 seats were prime seats.
ST holders had to move. The only seats left were the ones where you look through a letter box to see a post.
Make no mistake, if we get a home draw today GP will be a sell out. No Matter who we get.
We all know the iceberg still looms, but many people where blaiming the manager for falling gates.
IMO, attendances for the last two home games would suggest that the disillusionment of the match goer is is directed firmly towards the directors box.
Many of those 6,000 seats were prime seats.
ST holders had to move. The only seats left were the ones where you look through a letter box to see a post.
Make no mistake, if we get a home draw today GP will be a sell out. No Matter who we get.
We all know the iceberg still looms, but many people where blaiming the manager for falling gates.
IMO, attendances for the last two home games would suggest that the disillusionment of the match goer is is directed firmly towards the directors box.
Peter #865, "inconsequential", never a truer word spoken, or typed.
Reference above to Drenthe being very expensive, I thought he is available on a free Bosman at the season end, have I got that wrong.
Evertonfc played pretty well again, yes again. I did not go but watched it on a reasonable feed, I am afraid that any criticism of Moyes or the performance should be committed to the same place as the crap that John Scales puked out in the commentary.
Evertonfc played pretty well again, yes again. I did not go but watched it on a reasonable feed, I am afraid that any criticism of Moyes or the performance should be committed to the same place as the crap that John Scales puked out in the commentary.
Be of no doubt Robbie lad I`m of consequence to the club.
They would miss my money. . .and my support.
As for you and Peter . .well it`ll be a struggle, but I`ll somehow have to come to terms with not being flavour of the month with two people who`s opinion I really really value .
Going to Wembley ?
They would miss my money. . .and my support.
As for you and Peter . .well it`ll be a struggle, but I`ll somehow have to come to terms with not being flavour of the month with two people who`s opinion I really really value .
Going to Wembley ?
Peter and Paul, i can almost feel the difficulty with which you type 'Moyes has done OK...for now'!
It's funny that this upturn in form has done little to abate your latent anger and in this thread it just gets turned on the 'Moyesophiles' rather than the man himself. I say just be happy and say you know what we have disagreed in the past but today things are looking good and let's all be glad to be Everton fans rather than the rather petulant name calling...
It's funny that this upturn in form has done little to abate your latent anger and in this thread it just gets turned on the 'Moyesophiles' rather than the man himself. I say just be happy and say you know what we have disagreed in the past but today things are looking good and let's all be glad to be Everton fans rather than the rather petulant name calling...
Has anyone else noticed how much stronger the defence looks since Jagielka got injured?
BTW Dave hoping for a positive attacking game with a winning result is NOT predicting negative play far from it it is hoping for exactly the opposite. But then you know that and you are just trying to score points with inconsequential comment with no factual basis.
Same Hoare what we write is true and two or three swallows dont mean spring is here. When we string together some MORE positive results and couple that with playing attractive football which makes you leave the ground feeling entertained and uplifted then and only then will Davey have succeeded. For now it is looking more promising and long my it continue. Our disappointment with Moyes was based on what was happening and just on a whim.
Peter, we'd all like to go on a run like Barcelona, play great football and dominate everyone but realistically with our resources and finances that doesn't look like happening any time soon in the money lead world of football.
90% of teams will have good and bad patches in every season, things to be happy about and things/people to berate. At the moment things are good. Am sure a downturn lies around the corner which will re-ignite the familiar debates but for now lets enjoy some unreserved and overdue positivity.
90% of teams will have good and bad patches in every season, things to be happy about and things/people to berate. At the moment things are good. Am sure a downturn lies around the corner which will re-ignite the familiar debates but for now lets enjoy some unreserved and overdue positivity.
Sam, you seen La Liga table today?
Eric, I am with you all the way. Fellaini being in those positions to miss four though is more to do with him doing what he was told. I think Vellios or, fuckin hell, can't believe I'm saying this these days, Big Vic would have buried at least half of them. Like you also, I hadn't thought much of Fellaini until very recently.
Dave, I agree with you, but thinking that one instance proves an entire theory is the most commone mistake in investigations. Not that I need to do this, but here are a couple of ideas as to why there weren't many comments by 7pm:
- People were still out having a drink and talking up their chances of a trip to Wembley.
- A lot of posters are around the world, and, for better or worse, it is always easier to go straight to bed at 3am when you don't have bee in your bonnet about the game.
- It was a 2-0 win against a Championship side, 80 minutes of which was barely watchable.
For the record Dave, I don't take offence to the MOB call - I actively use it. I don't use the terms Moyesophile and haven't said Apologist for a long time because I can see that they are actually more insulting than MOB anyway.
I've said it in the past, a good run to the end of the season is not going to change my stance on the manager at this point. Moyes needs to put together a consistent season before I revert back to thinking he is a decent manager.
Eric, I am with you all the way. Fellaini being in those positions to miss four though is more to do with him doing what he was told. I think Vellios or, fuckin hell, can't believe I'm saying this these days, Big Vic would have buried at least half of them. Like you also, I hadn't thought much of Fellaini until very recently.
Dave, I agree with you, but thinking that one instance proves an entire theory is the most commone mistake in investigations. Not that I need to do this, but here are a couple of ideas as to why there weren't many comments by 7pm:
- People were still out having a drink and talking up their chances of a trip to Wembley.
- A lot of posters are around the world, and, for better or worse, it is always easier to go straight to bed at 3am when you don't have bee in your bonnet about the game.
- It was a 2-0 win against a Championship side, 80 minutes of which was barely watchable.
For the record Dave, I don't take offence to the MOB call - I actively use it. I don't use the terms Moyesophile and haven't said Apologist for a long time because I can see that they are actually more insulting than MOB anyway.
I've said it in the past, a good run to the end of the season is not going to change my stance on the manager at this point. Moyes needs to put together a consistent season before I revert back to thinking he is a decent manager.
It doesn't matter where the seats were Dave, they were still 6,000, which would put our support around 32,000.
Last home game against Chelsea was 34,000 and I don't think they have many travelling fans so the gates ares still around the average for this season of 33,500 (excluding cup games, including away support).
I reckon the numbers look good because some fans turned up to get a ticket stub to enable them a chance of a Wembley ticket.
Last home game against Chelsea was 34,000 and I don't think they have many travelling fans so the gates ares still around the average for this season of 33,500 (excluding cup games, including away support).
I reckon the numbers look good because some fans turned up to get a ticket stub to enable them a chance of a Wembley ticket.
Nice win, one step closer to getting back to Wembley, that'll do for me
Moyes can't just win every game on demand you know. If he wins a few thats alright he deserves only to avoid criticism for now because he's done whats asked of him. As long as everyone has felt entertained and has seen attacking winning football every week then maybe Moyes doesn't deserve to go. These sort of sentiments are ridiculous. Look at Wenger, AVB, Dalglish, with all the money they've spent even they can't find the sort of consistency people on here are looking for. If you look at a fixtures in a row like Fulham, man City, Wigan and Chelsea, the chances of us winning all of them are unfortunately slim, they're slim for any single club in the league. Just because Moyes pulled off two masterstrokes against Man City and Chelsea does not mean he has it on tap for Wigan away. The two home games were exceptional performances but that doesn't mean that that some sort of minimum standard that Moyes must adhere to for some people on here to deem him worthy of his job. If it was we'd be winning the league every season, the reason why we're not is because like every other team in the world we can't keep up our levels of performance because we don't have the quality of players (even Barcelona can't) yet fans on here use Nil Satis Nisi Optimum as some sort of excuse for completely disregarding the realities of football.
Entertainment is not something that is permanent, if you had it every week then it wouldn't be entertainment would it, it would just become routine. Wins against the big teams feel so good because they're so rare, rare for every club! Trophies are rare for teams outside the top 4 including us! A good performance is only a good performace because there's bad perfromances to contrast it with. But oh no, Moyes is supposed to eradicate what no football manager has ever managed to do and make sure the fans are entertained every single week with attacking winning football, maybe then he can keep his job. What a joke.
Ever thought that even if Moyes 'gets it right' then that doesn't mean we'll win? What if Martinez got it right against us? What if Mancini or AVB had,d o you really think we'd have won those two games? No Moyes got it right and they didn't so we won, but when we lose it doesn't always mean that if only Moyes had attacked a bit more we would have won. We don't have a divine right to beat everyone in the league if only we just turn up, for evry perfromance we give against the Man citys and Chelseas of this world then someone else is going to do that to us.
Entertainment is not something that is permanent, if you had it every week then it wouldn't be entertainment would it, it would just become routine. Wins against the big teams feel so good because they're so rare, rare for every club! Trophies are rare for teams outside the top 4 including us! A good performance is only a good performace because there's bad perfromances to contrast it with. But oh no, Moyes is supposed to eradicate what no football manager has ever managed to do and make sure the fans are entertained every single week with attacking winning football, maybe then he can keep his job. What a joke.
Ever thought that even if Moyes 'gets it right' then that doesn't mean we'll win? What if Martinez got it right against us? What if Mancini or AVB had,d o you really think we'd have won those two games? No Moyes got it right and they didn't so we won, but when we lose it doesn't always mean that if only Moyes had attacked a bit more we would have won. We don't have a divine right to beat everyone in the league if only we just turn up, for evry perfromance we give against the Man citys and Chelseas of this world then someone else is going to do that to us.
Made up with yesterdays result, looking forward to a home draw against a poor side! But its scandalous how Neville is still getting a run in midfield. Glad to see Barkley back on the pitch even if it was for 5 minutes. RR Drenthe was outstanding yesterday, got to feature regularly now until he goes back to Madrid.
#863 Robbie Shields
Everton game was live on Setanta, 6 dollars per month on your foxtel package in Australia
Everton game was live on Setanta, 6 dollars per month on your foxtel package in Australia
James, I commend you for the post, and your defence of it, but it is riddled with claims that are either far off the mark, or just moot.
Two of the three managers you use as examples are under enormous pressure right now because they aren't living up to expectations, and the other is Kenny Dalglish.
The fact that our squad is capable of beating Man City and Chelsea actually does mean that they should be expected to beat teams like Wigan.
Did we, the fans of 2012, come up with Nil Satis Nisi Optimum?
Contrast schmontrast. A good performance is a good performance regardless of any bad performances that come along. Likewise, a bad performance is a bad performance. From your second paragraph, I assume you don't enjoy any television series or films or novels.
Third paragraph doesn't read very well. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
Sorry to rip it apart mate, and I am not saying that the win against Blackpool wasn't a good display from the manager. I'm just saying that some of us have made our mind up, and regardless of the joy that Moyes can and will give us in the future, we believe that it is time for change.
Two of the three managers you use as examples are under enormous pressure right now because they aren't living up to expectations, and the other is Kenny Dalglish.
The fact that our squad is capable of beating Man City and Chelsea actually does mean that they should be expected to beat teams like Wigan.
Did we, the fans of 2012, come up with Nil Satis Nisi Optimum?
Contrast schmontrast. A good performance is a good performance regardless of any bad performances that come along. Likewise, a bad performance is a bad performance. From your second paragraph, I assume you don't enjoy any television series or films or novels.
Third paragraph doesn't read very well. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
Sorry to rip it apart mate, and I am not saying that the win against Blackpool wasn't a good display from the manager. I'm just saying that some of us have made our mind up, and regardless of the joy that Moyes can and will give us in the future, we believe that it is time for change.
So Roman, regardless of the joy which Moyes can/ will give you, are you saying you'd have him leave should Europe be assured this season, or perhaps top four next?
I'm presuming though the word joy substituted the word achieve.
For many MOB there's a strange belief that all he desires is to play crap football and return the minimal amount of points securing safety, yet you want to see him go regardless of future joy/ success/ achievement etc...
I'm presuming though the word joy substituted the word achieve.
For many MOB there's a strange belief that all he desires is to play crap football and return the minimal amount of points securing safety, yet you want to see him go regardless of future joy/ success/ achievement etc...
Nick, I'm not saying my opinion of him won't change. It has once, it can again. Those hypotheticals, as all hypotheticals, are useless though.
If Moyes finishes on a run this season, then continues with some consistently good, effective football next year, my opinion could change. At this point in time though, I think we could be higher up the league if we had a manager who knew how to prepare a side in the off season (which is actually my biggest gripe with Moyes).
If Moyes finishes on a run this season, then continues with some consistently good, effective football next year, my opinion could change. At this point in time though, I think we could be higher up the league if we had a manager who knew how to prepare a side in the off season (which is actually my biggest gripe with Moyes).
Roman, football is not some form of media entertainment like books and films. Goodison isn't a circus where entertainment is expected for money paid. Fans should hand over their money in the knowledge that they could easily witness the season's worst performance just as much as it could be the best performance, because that's what supporters are for, they are supposed to be there in the good and bad times. Like everyone else I want to see good performances and have no problem with people wanting more of them but I do take issue with some fans who mistake inevitable inconsistency with Moyes not 'getting it right'.
The managers of Arsenal and Chelsea are under pressure correct but my point was not about pressure rather aboutt he fact that even with their massive resources they can't achieve the consistency of performances and results that some people expect Moyes to achieve with a lot less.
For the record I've seen lots of bad films, and read lots of bad books too, you can't ask for a refund though, makes you appreciate the good films/books all the more as well.
The managers of Arsenal and Chelsea are under pressure correct but my point was not about pressure rather aboutt he fact that even with their massive resources they can't achieve the consistency of performances and results that some people expect Moyes to achieve with a lot less.
For the record I've seen lots of bad films, and read lots of bad books too, you can't ask for a refund though, makes you appreciate the good films/books all the more as well.
Just a few rambling thoughts on some of the above; I watched the match live from 000's of miles away and we strolled it in my view. Moyes got his tactics spot on; in the faces of an inferior team from the off, game won in 7 mins, sit back wait for the opposition to hand over possession and hit them on the break. ( why ,oh why cant we do that to the Wigans etc).John Scales talks through his arse. Would Cahill have been in position to miss Fellaini's chances yesterday? Were we better without Cahill? Will Cahill come straight back in when 'fit'? We options on both wings. I went to the '09 Final, paid 400 quid for my ticket+ hotel+ air fare; Did I deprive anyone of a seat? ( certainly none of the 3 lads squeezed into the seat next to me !) I don' t hate any other Evertonian
The entertainment factor still stands, James. I disagree with how you said it would be less entertaining if you saw it every week. I think it would still be entertaining.
The sad fact is, professional sport these days IS entertainment. Nothing more.
I also don't agree with having to contrast something to find quality or lack there of.
The sad fact is, professional sport these days IS entertainment. Nothing more.
I also don't agree with having to contrast something to find quality or lack there of.
Roman,
Dead right I'd get a kick out of seeing us trounce opponents every week. Can clearly remember laughing when Sunderland scored in the 1st minute in '85 at Goodison. " shouldnt have done that" was the general feeling. Cue one of the most powerful attacking displays Ive seen from ANY TEAM, 3 of the goals of the season and plenty of smiling faces.
Dead right I'd get a kick out of seeing us trounce opponents every week. Can clearly remember laughing when Sunderland scored in the 1st minute in '85 at Goodison. " shouldnt have done that" was the general feeling. Cue one of the most powerful attacking displays Ive seen from ANY TEAM, 3 of the goals of the season and plenty of smiling faces.
If a fella goes to a lot of EFC games and puts his time and money in week in & out or even most weeks he is more deserving of a final ticket than a fella flying in for one game.
It's still admirable that a fella like Robbie should go to the lengths he did to keep a promise to his son. And this wouldn't really be a discussion if the scandalous way ticket sales were handles, but it is what it is.
I don't see how anyone can argue with that? Most who buy season tickets and Evertonia memberships and all that will have qualifying for a cup final tickets as a reason at the back of thier mind.
It's still admirable that a fella like Robbie should go to the lengths he did to keep a promise to his son. And this wouldn't really be a discussion if the scandalous way ticket sales were handles, but it is what it is.
I don't see how anyone can argue with that? Most who buy season tickets and Evertonia memberships and all that will have qualifying for a cup final tickets as a reason at the back of thier mind.
What I don't get about what you're saying Roman is that you want Moyes out, yet believe it is possible for him to be successful.
That seems to view managers as very disposable, dismissing all that they have proved and can do just for the chance that another can do better.
I want him to stay because I know he can improve on what he did this season, not rid of him because of it.
That seems to view managers as very disposable, dismissing all that they have proved and can do just for the chance that another can do better.
I want him to stay because I know he can improve on what he did this season, not rid of him because of it.
Roman 926 ? "James, that is the biggest load of crap I've read on here in a long time."
Roman 939 ? "James, I commend you for the post, and your defence of it,"
I fail to see how one person can hold these two views, or rather make these statements about somebody else's post. You seem to want it both ways, as always!
You are as you admit one of the MOB that I mentioned failed to post yesterday. I don't care for your excuses as they would also stand both ways, but they don't. If you have a different view to someone else, so be it, but why you have to accuse James of "crap" is just a sign of your normal tendancies to get personal.
I don't always dissagree with some of what you write, but I don't always agree. It does not make me an "apologist"or a "Romanaphile"!!!
For those on this site who get lambasted (Doddy) for being positive about the manager and the team, week in wek out, then why should the self confessed MOB (Paul Ferry) not take the flack that is due to them. Too many like to give it out, but are not so happy when like the proverbial boomerang, when it comes back!
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Roman 939 ? "James, I commend you for the post, and your defence of it,"
I fail to see how one person can hold these two views, or rather make these statements about somebody else's post. You seem to want it both ways, as always!
You are as you admit one of the MOB that I mentioned failed to post yesterday. I don't care for your excuses as they would also stand both ways, but they don't. If you have a different view to someone else, so be it, but why you have to accuse James of "crap" is just a sign of your normal tendancies to get personal.
I don't always dissagree with some of what you write, but I don't always agree. It does not make me an "apologist"or a "Romanaphile"!!!
For those on this site who get lambasted (Doddy) for being positive about the manager and the team, week in wek out, then why should the self confessed MOB (Paul Ferry) not take the flack that is due to them. Too many like to give it out, but are not so happy when like the proverbial boomerang, when it comes back!
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James Martin - I agree with you. People talk about consistent, entertaining, effective football yet how many times have we all sat there and watched Man Utd play shit and still get a win?
The point being that almost nobody is consistently entertaining. If you watch most of the games in the PL you will see countless examples of shit football. And a lot of them have greater resources than Moyes. Even Barca are getting criticised this season.
Having said that, Moyes does himself no favours sometimes. Overly defensive, "knife to a gunfight", etc, etc.
The point being that almost nobody is consistently entertaining. If you watch most of the games in the PL you will see countless examples of shit football. And a lot of them have greater resources than Moyes. Even Barca are getting criticised this season.
Having said that, Moyes does himself no favours sometimes. Overly defensive, "knife to a gunfight", etc, etc.
Well, in an hour or so, we'll know who we need to beat to get to Wemb-er-lee. (Never did like semis being played there but whatever.)
I am watching Stevenage v Tottenham, and a shot of Joe Jordan on the Spurs bench just reminded me of 1995. He was a radio summariser for BBC and in (I think) the 4th round, we beat Bristol City 1-0 away thanks to a Matty Jackson special ? but how City didn't knock us out I don't think even they know. Joe said in his summary words to the effect of "Put your money on Everton for the cup", and I knew it was to be.
So let's just enjoy it. I'm not part of the MOB ? I desperately want him to succeed, or at least be given the chance to by new owners. But he does frustrate me at times. Not as frustrating as missing the first 8 minutes of the game yesterday though.
I am watching Stevenage v Tottenham, and a shot of Joe Jordan on the Spurs bench just reminded me of 1995. He was a radio summariser for BBC and in (I think) the 4th round, we beat Bristol City 1-0 away thanks to a Matty Jackson special ? but how City didn't knock us out I don't think even they know. Joe said in his summary words to the effect of "Put your money on Everton for the cup", and I knew it was to be.
So let's just enjoy it. I'm not part of the MOB ? I desperately want him to succeed, or at least be given the chance to by new owners. But he does frustrate me at times. Not as frustrating as missing the first 8 minutes of the game yesterday though.
Holloway was very complimentary to Everton saying that they did the right thing every time. He picked Drenthe as our most dangerous player.
How others see us eh.
How others see us eh.
Dean, I did word that wrong, and should have mentioned I was talking about his subsequent post, and his defence of the first post in said subsequent post.
Nick, yes, I think Moyes COULD be successful one day. I just don't think that it will be with Everton. Some times two things just don't match. He came when we were a struggling club and brought stability. He may be one of those managers that is good at doing that.
Now, we are a club that has moved into the top half, tasted Europe, sat at the top of the table (for a few hours), sat in second (for a few weeks) and played "half-seasons" that, if duplicated, would see us actually finishing nearer those places. Unfortunately, I don't see Moyes as being the manager that can take Everton beyond what he has done.
Nick, yes, I think Moyes COULD be successful one day. I just don't think that it will be with Everton. Some times two things just don't match. He came when we were a struggling club and brought stability. He may be one of those managers that is good at doing that.
Now, we are a club that has moved into the top half, tasted Europe, sat at the top of the table (for a few hours), sat in second (for a few weeks) and played "half-seasons" that, if duplicated, would see us actually finishing nearer those places. Unfortunately, I don't see Moyes as being the manager that can take Everton beyond what he has done.
For all the talk of needing a striker to put it away the biggest changes in the last few home games are confidence and clean sheets with Heitinga taking on the reponsability and doing a great job.
For the argument above imo even when winning and on a good run both fans and managers want and expect more. The perfect game has never been played, one look at the table tells me every fan in the land has reason to be critical as no team is unbeaten as such there is room for improvement.
The improvement from big Dennis is amazing going from being the next Angel to looking as good as a 35m player, the energy and will to win from him added to the January signings may have made one or two take a look at there performances.
For the argument above imo even when winning and on a good run both fans and managers want and expect more. The perfect game has never been played, one look at the table tells me every fan in the land has reason to be critical as no team is unbeaten as such there is room for improvement.
The improvement from big Dennis is amazing going from being the next Angel to looking as good as a 35m player, the energy and will to win from him added to the January signings may have made one or two take a look at there performances.
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Everton XI: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Heitinga, Distin, Neville, Gueye, Gibson, Drenthe, Stracqualursi, Fellaini