Everton News, Season 2011-12

Draw offers Everton revenge incentive

18/03/2012 |  155 Comments: First  |  Last
In the draw for the semi-finals of the FA Cup, Everton may play Liverpool should they be successful in getting past Sunderland in the upcoming 6th Round replay a week on Tuesday at The Stadium of Light. In the other semi-final, Chelsea play Spurs or Bolton. Both ties to be played the weekend of 14 & 15 April.

Original Source: The FA

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Doug Nestor
078   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:09:42

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V the shite if we beat Sunderland..........
Al Reddish
079   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:11:05

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Thats Jags back and Anichebe up front then!!!!!
Mark Tanton
080   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:12:30

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Another year without a trophy (probably knocked out at Sunderland, certainly knocked out by Liverpool). We are beaten before we even step out on to the pitch at Anfield, paralysed by fear season after season.
Kevin Naylor
081   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:14:17

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Wouldn't worry about the RS ? we won't get past Sunderland.
Ste Flood
084   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:13:47

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I don't think the semi will be played at Anfield, Mark.
Jon Cox
085   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:15:23

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I see Stoke played their best side against the shite.

Now there's an alien concept.
Phil Rodgers
086   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:16:58

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Depressing but we don't have bottle
Barry Rathbone
087   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:13:27

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If we get through Sunderland wonder if he'll rest 6 for the final.

He's a great laugh Moyes.
Ste Traverse
088   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:17:58

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As someone who remembers the sickening defeats of 1984,1986 and 1989 against them, I've mixed thoughts about this draw should we get past the Mackems.

It's a perfect opportunity to get some revenge for those losses, but losing another massive game to them complete twats sickens me to the pits of my stomach.
Sam Hoare
089   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:18:45

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He prioritised the cup during a tough schedule. It didn't work. Get over it.

Tough match at Sunderland but then the opportunity for revenge.
Steve Barr
090   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:19:13

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This is how low our expectations have sunk under Moyes.

We have the chance of a semi-final against Liverpool. This should be a fantastic event to savour. Instead Moyes has presided over our slow demise, culminating in this tepid expectation.

Such a draw should have us buzzing, instead we are apathetic at best!

Andy Corrie
091   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:22:46

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Like it Sam, like it.
James Martin
093   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:23:33

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Oh stop wallowing, everyone on here knows we're good enough to batter Sunderland up at their own place and then tear the RS a new one at Wembley. They had nothing special against Stoke and as long as Moyes doesn't cock us up again we could easily take them.
Mike Newhouse
094   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:15:15

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Will dearest Davie will throw in the towel again if we manage to get to the semi?

I hope he has learnt a similar lesson to the Spurs one from a few seasons ago. I hope (despite his denial yesterday!) he has learnt that it is NOT acceptable for Everton to not try to win EVERY game no matter the opposition and DEFINITELY not against the Shite.
Jamie Barlow
096   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:26:16

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Fuck me, I can't believe the comments on here.

And Moyes gets called negative.

Get a grip.
Peter Laing
097   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:26:00

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The game at Sunderland with the prospect of the prize of avenging the recent defeat against the shite will be a defining moment in Moyes tenure ? does he have the bottle?
Dan McKie
099   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:28:44

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James, I asked the same question to a mate of mine. When was the last time we went to anybody's 'own place', and battered them? We have nicked wins here and there against west brom and fulham, but battered? I can't think.
Dave Charles
100   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:27:38

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James 093: 'as long as Moyes doesn't cock us up again.'

That sums it up.
Mick Gallagher
101   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:36:01

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Let's beat Sunderland and then do the RedShite at Wembley... bring them on.
Nick Armitage
102   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:40:17

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These two games are very winnable, it reamains to be seen whether we bottle it yet again.
Dan McKie
104   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:41:44

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We will probably still get a relatively meaningless 3 points against Arsenal on Wednesday, just so Moyes can remain the miracle worker against the teams with cash. Oh how lucky we are!
Gerry Quinn
105   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:43:13

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I think we should rest 6 players against the shite in the Semis so that we are refreshed for the Final!
Am I being negative enough to join the doom-mongers amongst us?
Jamie Barlow
106   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:45:00

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Yeah, we shouldn't bother Dan.
Tommy Coleman
107   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:41:59

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So Kenny shows Moyes how it should be done. If there's a way to lose, Moyes will find it.

A chance of revenge though if we get through. If we can beat Liverpool and then win the cup we should be able to forget what Moyes did, or didn't do.
Ste Flood
108   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:43:04

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Doddy, where are you when we we need some inspiration?
Tony Gibbons
109   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:43:13

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If ever the motivation was there to put the Anfield fiasco to bed, Moyes now has a chance, big time to redeem himself.

I think we can beat Sunderland up there but don't know if it would be typical Everton to beat them and then get beat by the Shite.
Mike Green
112   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:47:47

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Opportunity knocks, David Moyes.
Phil McKeown
115   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:52:44

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Moyes is probably shitting himself at the prospect of them lot at Wembley and has probably already texted Kenny to tell him he's Fucking Great.

Elstone has probably texted Ian Ayres as well to ask him out...
Karl Jones
116   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:54:56

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Good luck, Sunderland... Couldn't stand another fuckin embarrassment against them.
George McKane
118   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:54:29

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It's a long 8 days since the Spurs game and Sunday morning Goals on Sunday and papers...

I just wonder where Moyes is now, metaphysically I mean, and what his thinking is about his actions in the past 7 days... and where he stands with The Fans and The Club.
Peter Laing
120   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:57:58

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George, fortune favours the brave, the events of the last week would suggest that, when it comes to pressure, our man Moyes has a lot to prove ?10 years on and all that.
Eugene Ruane
123   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:56:32

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Peter Laing (097) - You ask..

"Does he (Moyes) have the bottle"

Well unless he flew to a private clinic in Switzerland last night, and had some sort of bottle-transplant procedure ('bottlectomy'?) then he has more than proved..no he doesn't.

Jamie (096), sorry but that is fucking ridiculous 'logic'.

The negativity from posters on here is AS-A-RESULT of Moyes' negativity and uselessness.

Consequently, the posts are perfectly acceptable, natural, NORMAL human responses.

Simple cause and effect, a reaction to an action (or in this case, a fucking lack of action).

Action: - Manager changes six players from a winning side for a derby, we get twatted, we are humiliated, he thinks we did ok and blames the FA.

Reaction?

See hundreds of angry 'negative' posts.

Normal.

Those imo who need to 'get a grip' are those who read these perfectly understandable reactions and decide to use them to show us all what 'positive', glass half-full individuals they are.

That is REALLY fucking odd.

Er...COYB.
George McKane
124   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:00:47

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Peter ? it's interesting that you mention "the brave". On several posts of mine it is the lack of bravery that has dictated my thoughts on Mr Moyes and his management over the past 4-5 years.

And now we are here, today!
Brian Waring
125   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:01:20

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It's funny how some lads are getting slagged off for being negative. Funny thing is, can you blame them?

We went into the derby full of expectation, on a high, thinking this was a good chance of beating the Shite eventually at their gaff... Moyes soon dampened that optimism though. So, as I say, can you blame some fans for not being negative?
Peter Askins
126   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:49:20

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Three points occur to me.

One, Moyes, and to a lesser extent, our players, are lucky to get this potential draw against Liverpool. It offers an immediate chance to make amends for the recent derby game.

Secondly, it offers our best chance of getting through to the Final, in my opinion. I wouldn't have fancied our chances against Spurs at Wembley, with Bale flying down one wing, and Lennon down the other; or against a resurgent Chelsea.

Three, Liverpool will still be playing flat out for fourth spot in the next four weeks, whereas Moyes will have the luxury of targeting just the Sunderland game, and then the semi-final.

I too went to and suffered those finals of the 1980s, so maybe this is our time to lay those ghosts.
Lee Courtliff
127   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:00:42

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I couldn't be happier with draw.

We have a decent record at Sunderland and they will definitely come at us. Which means we won't have the problem of trying to break them down.

Usually at this stage of the season, we have nothing to play for, bar the outside chance of qualifying for the Europa League.

So let's try and enjoy it. We can beat Sunderland and we can beat Liverpool. I suspect we won't be resting any players should we get to the semi.
Billy Bradshaw
129   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:06:36

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You would think the club would find the balls to pay for coaches or reduce ticket prices for the replay, as the semis are only 2 weeks later. Stoke City have just done something similar to help their supporters.
John Malone
131   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:05:25

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Well said, Mick Gally, revenge and silverware is great motivation for the team. Moyes needs to get into the players heads and get them psyched up, we're definitely good enough to beat Sunderland, and our best eleven can beat the shite all day long. COYB!!!
Colin Ryan
132   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:11:36

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Am i alone in nearly hoping we lose at Sunderland cus i honestly couldn't face us playing them at Wembley and losing?? Football is a pretty strange game sometimes. Can anyone see us beating Sunderland away, the shite at Wembley and either Spurs or Chelsea at Wembley?

Best Wishes to Fabrice Muamba which is far more important.
Sam Hoare
133   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:10:12

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Moyes gets accused of being beaten before the game has started and yet a lot of those detractors are applying exactly the same attitude here.

Show some guts, stop moaning and be excited about the possibility of some revenge.
Phil Rodgers
134   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:02:37

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I agree Eugene. Too many people on this site love getting on their high horse
Dan McKie
135   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:07:26

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I hope Moyes is somewhere hanging his head in shame over all this. I doubt it though. If he is so down like some of the media and even some of the players have suggested over the events of the last year, then why hasn't he walked? Surely clubs would be scrambling? Arsene would no longer have a job for life? Fergie would have early retirement forced on him? No, because like the media, Moyes thinks he is doing us all a massive fucking favour by staying in his 65k a week job! I pray that he makes me eat my words, or hold my hands up and say well done to him, and I hate myself for not being able to see that happening, but I can't! I will still go to Sunderland though, and shout and sing my head off.
Jamie Barlow
136   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:11:56

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Saying 'Good luck, Sunderland' is a normal thing for an Evertonian to say, Eugene?

It's just frustrating coming in here having to read stuff like "why bother, we'll get stuffed".

Peter Cummings
137   Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:59:07

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I find it very depressing to see so much negativity on this site, of course we've been disappointing and lost games we should have won/drawn and by the derby shambles. No team has a divine right to be the best but let's be honest, lads ? we are still poverty stricken and there's no way forward without big money spending. Year after year, we have been hamstrung by this problem but why nobody wants to buy the club is a complete mystery given its history and potential. Can anybody really believe that another manager could turn things around with the resources DM has had to contend with for so long? I think not.
Jamie Barlow
139   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:23:06

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Ha ha, brilliant Phil. Agreeing with Eugene about people getting on their high horse. Classic.
Mike Green
141   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:20:00

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If we'd beaten Sunderalnd yesterday I think all round there'd be a different attitude on here. To a man everyone would be behind the side to reverse Tuesdays humiliation.

Instead we now have 10 (?) days anxiously kicking our heels to go into a tough away fixture which we should have put to bed yesterday. If we lose the replay we look like a bunch of mugs who 'can't even win a tie with two rolls of the dice with a Merseyside derby at Wembley as the prize', if we do we look like the uninvited guest whos struggled to get to the table, giving Liverpool the upper hand.

And we've done it to ourselves after completely screwing up the last two games.
Mark Riding
142   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:25:40

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I hope we beat Sunderland, I never want us to get beat.
One thing is for sure for me personally.. I will not be going to Wembley and put myself through watching us play Liverpool.
I have seen it all before and I just couldnt do it again..
Brian Waring
143   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:25:55

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Sam, a lot of those detractors are applying exactly the same attitude, because of Moyes's attitude to the derby. The difference is, Moyes has fans defending his attitude against the shite, fans are just told to get on with it, stop whinging etc.
Dean Adams
144   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:19:56

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It could be a chance to get revenge all the way to the medals, starting with Sunderland for not getting beat yesterday(bloody cheek of it), then the shite at Wembley in the semi follwed by Chelsea in the final!! Revenge for 2009, perfect.
Moyes was so clever to plan all that to keep our season sizzling!!!!
Colin Wainwright
145   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:25:00

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''Show some guts, stop moaning and be excited about the possibility of some revenge.''

You should say that to DM, Sam.

There's years of disappointment against that shower of shit, that should have provided plenty of reasons for revenge on Tuesday night. Never happened though eh?

Mike Gwyer
146   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:16:08

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I have got to ask ? did you expect Sunderland to turn up and then bend over for a spanking. They bought 6,000 down, who out-sang us for nearly the whole game, the Sunderland players had little intention other than getting us back to their place and, by fair means or foul, they completed their task. Oh, and to help their task the ref was shite.

We CAN go up there and win but to read some of the bollocks on here you would think that Everton were a top 4 team and that we should steam roller anyone who steps foot into GP ? well we ain't and that is a fact.

Now what is a fact is that Sunderland away ? yeah we can do that.
Mark Stone
148   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:17:53

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I would hope you are alone, yes. Although there a load of cocks on here who I am sure would love us to get beat just so they can have a good old whinge. Not mentioning any names, like. I'll be at the stadium of light supporting Everton, and letting the mackems sing a song for me.
Danny Kewley
149   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:08:12

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I went to those finals in the 80s as well and would dearly love to enact revenge on our dear neighbors! -------------

Irony can be cruel sometimes, I mean there we were sending out 60% of the outfield players of a winning team in a crucial league game and getting shafted, thereby giving impetus and confidence to our historic rivals! The swines breezed through their tie today and we should have done yesterday... Cheers, Dave.
Karl Jones
151   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:36:33

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I would rather we got defeated with some dignity at Sunderland, than beat them and witness the usual embarrassing capitulation at the hands of the RS that we witness season after season.
Rahul Gandhi
152   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:23:16

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I couldn't believe Davy 'saved the legs' for a home draw against Sunderland and now we are here talking about Wembley 'revenge'. Great! No?
Thomas Windsor
153   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:32:33

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If we beat Sunderland, I ain't going anywhere near Wembley for the semis. I went 1971 ? lost.
1977 ? robbed by that twat Clive Thomas;
1984 ? Milk Cup Final, lost to Hansen the fuckin juggler.
1986 ? how we lost, I will never know
1989 ? went the semis against Norwich,

But I wouldn't go the final gave my ticket away just couldnt take it anymore, you knew they would win .
I never thought it would be this hard being an Evertonian but I've been going since 1967 so will stick with them.

ps I just love my Blues.
Eugene Ruane
154   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:24:50

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Jamie, no it's not, but you know what, from anger and disappointment come such comments.

Just think of all the people who have ever shouted "I'll fuckin' kill him!".

Do you think thy were REALLY intending to ACTUALLY kill someone?

Exactly.

People lose the run of themselves, it's to be expected from time to time (it's kind of the nature of anger)

But here's something you and I KNOW.

Everyone who posts on here wants Everton to win every game.

In fact that is WHY people get angry/negative - because we don't win enough games and we don't win enough important games.

Consequently, the manager, on sixty odd grand A WEEK, rightly and understandably gets Evertonian stick.

Not that it seems to bother him.

John Keating
155   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:30:10

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I've already had a load of RS mates and ? unfortunately ? a couple of family, distant thank God, on the blower. Every single one of them are hoping we turn Sunderland over as then "We're guaranteed to get to the Final"!!!!!

The word "bottlers" came up a couple of times. By the time we've rotated for the Sunderland league game and the cup replay we'll be so confused we won't know who's turn it'll be to play!
Karl Masters
157   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:46:50

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Maybe it's time for some people to remind themselves of the times we have beaetn Liverpool under Moyes. It's not unheard of, is it?

Liverpool struggled to beat Cardiff at Wembley, we can give them a much tougher time.

Better what is an average Liverpool team with a couple of outstanding talents than Chelsea or Spurs I think. Best draw we could have hoped for.

They will be complacent after last week's farce. I'm sure we can give them a rude awakening, assuming we get past Sunderland of course.
Joe McMahon
158   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:47:28

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Peter Laing ? how many defining moments can a manager have in over 10 years? Wining at Anfield, scoring more than 1 goal in a match, having a top scorer with more than 4 goals 7 months into the season? Beating a non-league side by more than 2 goals.

Jesus our exepoectations have sunken so low under the Moyes years, haven't they? Nil Satis......that's a Laugh!
Phil Rodgers
159   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:45:13

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Why is there so much surprise that people are being negative? We have been shit pretty much all season. Any optimism I had evaporated on Tuesday.
Nick Waters
160   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:46:12

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Mike Gwyer - Liverpool away - it is a fact too that we could have done that.

In fact if you apply all your Sunderland arguments to us away at Anfield (except the ref) I could not agree more. But why didn't we go there with that attitude? Quite simply because of our 'knife to a gunfight' leader.
Nick Entwistle
162   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:54:54

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I've got dibs on some semi tickets should we get there from a friend with ten year seats at Wembley.
Christ it could be painful, and you know full well should they beat us they will lift the trophy.
I don't live in Liverpool so enjoy the parade...

What this should be though is a reason for Moyes to start salivating and prove his worth, not in final league position, but in occasion.
Jamie Barlow
163   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:56:52

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Totally agree with you Eugene. It doesn't mean said comments don't and shouldn't piss me off though.
Stephen Sullivan
164   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:54:56

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I reckon the Law Of Attraction plays a part in our long history of bad fortune against Liverpool and indeed their success in penalty shoot outs overall.

Most Evertonians I know, including me, fear losing to them so much that we attract the very thing we can't stop thinking about. LFC fans I know, to a man, expect to win against us and thus attract that outcome.

We inadvertantly help them win the penalty shoot outs too even against other teams than us.

For example against Cardiff, I and no doubt most Evertonians were expecting things to work out for them even when they were behind in the penalties scored.

We need to "co-create" a better outcome. Seriously!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction
Alan Ross
165   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:47:35

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Hope Fabrice recovers quickly and fully, my best wishes to his family.
Ray Said
166   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:05:30

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If we beat Sunderland, can we rest the manager for the semi-final?
Peter Askins
167   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:53:29

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As with politics, a week is a long time in football, especially for Everton in season 2011/12 !

January 21st 2012 - Blackburn battered us at Goodison, and we were lucky to escape with a 1-1.
January 31st 2012 - Ten days later, league leaders City game to Goodison, and we out-fought and out-thought them, to win 1-0.
February 4th 2012 - Back to the bad stuff, with a poor 1-1 at Wigan.
February 11th 2012 - Another rousing display to beat Chelsea 1-0.

So, Jekyll and Hyde stuff very recently, but we clearly do have big wins in us, against the odds. This includes Sunderland away and then Liverpool in the semi, where both teams will come onto us, which seems to suit.

Moyes has set the precedent, so will sacrifice the league games in order to pick his best team for The Cup. I certainly want us to get through to face Liverpool, unlike some on here, and would expect both Moyes and the players to give it a real good go.
Eugene Ruane
168   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:01:35

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Jamie - Just seems odd to me that you choose to focus your criticism on the negativity of Evertonians (nb: who have EVERY right to be negative) rather than on the person/s responsible for it in the first place.




Ian Smitham
169   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:42:30

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The diversity of TW, Mark #148 and Karl #151, "I'll be at the stadium of light" versus "we witness season after season"

"I would rather we got defeated"

"Although there a load of cocks on here who I am sure would love us to get beat just so they can have a good old whinge."

Declan Brown
170   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:55:22

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Breaking News...David Moyes still looking for his 6 missing players from last Tuesday. Seriously, Kenny, give them back will you, or big bad davey might stare and glare at you...stop laughing Tony Marsh!!!

Breaking News...David Moyes now scouring Ebay for a new white flag after Kenny Dalgleish refused to give it back, he wants to keep it as a momento, Kenny you were supposed to be Davey's friend and hero!!!

Now everyone sing this to Queen's We Will Rock You

"Davey, you?re a blue, make a big noise, taking on the Premier League, gonna be a big man some day,
you let Kenny kick mud in your face, you big disgrace,
your tactics stink and we?ve got no pace?singing, we can?t, we can?t, sack you?

Victor you?re a young man, hard man, pouting on the pitch, gonna take on the world some day, you?re lying on your face, you big disgrace, waving your arms all over the place, we will, we will, mock you?

Blue Bill you?re an old poor man, pleading with your lies ain?t gonna make us the best some day, you got egg on your face, you big disgrace, the blue union better put you back in your place?we don?t, we don?t, like you!!!!

Back in the real world, I haven't forgotten Tuesday and i won't for a long time.

Calling Joe Royle, calling Howard Kendall, calling Peter Reid, calling all legends of the Toffees, we have a man seriously out of his depth in charge, we might just need you to make a one off glorious return, we can offer the possibility of playing our loveable cousin's from across the park at Wembley, our current manager has gone into hiding, obviously sh1tting his pants at the thought of playing Liverpool again.

Open your eyes Davey, closing them won' t make Kenny and his odious shower of sh1te go away you know!!! You're supposed to be a big boy now!!!!

I can hardly bloody wait.
Mark Riding
172   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:12:02

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Ian ' the diversity of Toffeeweb'... indeed, that's why I come on here. I love the different opinions...

I usually agree with Eugene actually, but as a first I don't. He says when someone says "I could kill you" at the match, it's not meant... Well for a split second today, I was watching Suarez dive and feign injury again, and actually just fucking cheat his way through the game... and to see what the lad at Bolton is going through, it made my blood boil.

Eugene maybe right after all..
Jamie Barlow
173   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:12:35

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Eugene, I criticize Moyes when he deserves it. He definitely deserves criticism for the derby defeat and I have gave it to him in posts after the game.

What annoys me is people saying they hope we get knocked out against Sunderland because we'll drop 6 players against Liverpool again.

What I won't do is criticize him for doing things he hasn't done.

There was about 25 posts on one thread the other day, slagging Moyes off because he was going to drop Johnny H for Jags. It hadn't even happened but that didn't stop the abuse he was getting.

Roman Sidey
174   Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:52:26

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John Keating, very good point about how much "squad rotation" we're likely to endure before our possible semi.

For me, I hope Everton go through to the final and win it, as well as finish as high as possible in the league. I don't need losses to justify my contempt for Moyes. He's already shown enough contempt for us as fans for me to say that. For me, the only way this season could end happily for me is if we win the cup and he walks/gets sacked the next morning.

However, I just don't trust him as a manager to get through this tough phase. If we beat Sunderland, we'll be doing very well. If we beat the Shite at Wembley, we'll be doing extremely well, and if we win the final, we'll be doing excellent. I just don't see Moyes getting it right that many times.

In 09 we had a lucky draw in the cup 1/4 finals, and got lucky again when SAF decided either we weren't good enough, or the cup didn't matter to him, and we only just scraped through. Then in the final, what we saw was the truest Moyes you'll ever see in management.
Michael Kenrick
176   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:21:09

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Ian (#169), isn't it more of a sad reflection of what David Moyes and his cowardly so-called "pragmatic" approach as created?

His capitulation in the the derby, followed by a less-than-impressive performance in the quarterfinal, and a replay causing extra games that the manager clearly has trouble handling. Is it honestly any wonder that some Evertonians are going to be less-than-optimistic about the prospect of going to a Wembley gunfight armed with a handful of bluntly unmotivated knives?
Peter Mills
177   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:03:11

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Sunderland were delighted, and a little fortunate, to leave Goodison with a draw. There is no reason why we shouldn't beat them in the replay, they are no great shakes.

I have watched us lose two semi finals and three cup finals against Liverpool. They were very unpleasant experiences but life continued, the world did not end. Should we win the replay we can beat Liverpool IF the manager, players and supporters believe so.
Steve Sweeney
178   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:14:35

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We will win the cup this year...
It is our destiny.
Bring on Sunderland 3-1.
COYB
Mark Riding
179   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:32:01

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Michael.. blunt knives ? not sure.. a few 'pricks' maybe more apt ?
Paul Johnson
180   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:30:27

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Do you know what pisses me off is that there is even a debate that we will beat Sunderland.

Just watched the shite again and do you know what they are SHITE.

This manager has a lot to answer for and if I need to explain myself fuck off........
Dean Adams
183   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:41:13

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Roman Sidey 174

"In 09 we had a lucky draw in the cup 1/4 finals, and got lucky again when SAF decided either we weren't good enough, or the cup didn't matter to him, and we only just scraped through. Then in the final, what we saw was the truest Moyes you'll ever see in management."

Are you seriously suggesting that the cup run of 09 was lucky? Do you remember the sides we played just to get to the final and that Chelsea were an awsome side with loads of mega bucks players. That just seems to be a very deluded version of events.

Mark Riding 179
Genuine classic!
Barry Rathbone
184   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:44:43

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It's like that "X - Factor" voodoo being shouted on here

(imagine a group of out of tune misfits post audition) shouting:-

"we wannit soooooo badly...... we really reaaaalllllllyyyyy wannit!"

(one of the judges)

"but you're shit....you came to the liverpool audition last month and we told you then, in fact we kicked your arse out you were so bad"

(misfits)

" we know but.....we wannit soooooo badly...... we really reaaaalllllllyyyyy wannit!"

Here's the song anyway:

"we're on the march and Moyes is barmy
his teamsheet is a mystery
he doesn't know which way is up?
and the tea leaves in his cup?
say his everton they will surely make you scream"

Repeat with loads of wishing .......
Ian Smitham
185   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:43:42

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Thinking ahead, that weekend is a problem for me. Can not go on the Sunday and apparently Liverpool refuse to play on the Sunday which looks like a big Saturday. Equally though I am sure that I have seen that Kick off on the Saturday game will be 5.30 PM. Anyone know please?
John Turner
186   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:56:09

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If we lose to Sunderland then Moyes should do the decent thing and resign....

If we beat Sunderland and lose to the RS then he should the decent thing and resign.....

If we beat the RS at Wembley (when it really counts) then I'd give him 10 more years!

COYB!
Clive Lewis
187   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:55:17

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It is interesting how DM didnt want to do an interview becuase of the penalty decision and the fact he may have said something. I wonder if this was the real reason, just thinking maybe it was Gabriele Clark and his cutting comments about resting players for the derby that was really the reason. Seems odd but cannot remeber another time he didn't speak to journos after a bad ref performance.

Anyway not really looking forward to Liverpool because, on present away form and motivational factors, we are likely to go out against anyone with confidence. The players are lacking in belief and we are missing a midfielder; remember Arteta was sold, well his replacement is injured at the moment. It is clearly the issue at the moment: the midfield is weak.
Colin Gee
188   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:08:31

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Ian #185
That weekend causes all sorts of problems, the Saturday is the Grand National, so Merseyside Police may well want us, if we get there and the RS to play on the Sunday.
The Sunday is the anniversary of Hillsborough, can you imagine playing them on that particular day?
John Turner
189   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:07:41

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What is the latest on Gibson?...he did make a difference to the Big Fella!
Clive Lewis
190   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:20:57

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He may be back or he may not, if he isnt we are stuck with Osman and he is not strong enough for this type of rough and tumble game. I suggest Heitinga is moved to central midfield and Jags fills in at centre back if Gibson is out. This game needs strong hearts, Everton should at least compensate the fans by offering free transport or something for the Sunderland game for the Derby surrender. We need a big following and plenty of noise.
Roman Sidey
191   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:26:57

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Dean Adams, I didn't say we had a lucky cup run. I said we got a lucky draw in the 1/4, as Middlesborough were horrible (yet we still made hard work of them) and we played a weakened Man Utd side in the semi - they had the league and Champs League to focus on.

I acknowledge we did very well getting there, beating the Shite over two legs and a very good Aston Vila side quite comprehensively.

The money call will always crop up when considering the final, except that we managed to get the greatest EVER start to that match, before basically shutting up shop for 90 minutes. Moyes bottled that one, and, as I said, I don't trust him not to bottle it again, should we get the chance.
Matthew Salem
193   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:53:02

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Our run-in in 2009 was anything, but easy. We played the shite twice (and beat them eventually), had our bogey team Villa and the Mancs as well before playing Chelsea in the final.

This year the draw has been very kind to us and if any of you have actually watched the shite lately, you will realize just how shite they are. They are by far the "easiest" opposition of the teams remaining.

Regarding Sunderland, you almost knew we'd cock it up after the Derby catastrophe. If anything has been predictable in the last weeks, it has been that we struggle when the onus is on us to win (Blackburn, Wigan, QPR, Sunderland). We clearly do a lot better when the expectation is on the other team (Chelsea or Spurs for example). A Moyes teams knows how to park the bus and knick a goal here and there, but not how to play weaker oppositon off the field. I think we have a 50/50 chance at the Stadium of Light.
James Martin
194   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:36:00

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Moyes didn't bottle the final, what oculd that team do against a Chelsea side who should of beaten barcelona over two legs and were probably the best team in Europe at the time. We were also without Arteta, Jagielka, and Yakubu. We were never going to play themm off the park just by going for it. Quite simply they overpowered us depsite our good start and we got outclassed. nothing to do with Moyes bottling it.
Dean Adams
195   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:43:18

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We need to reach the final this year and hope Chelsea get there as well. We can then get our revenge for 2009 and win the FA cup therefore qualify for Europe and get the monkey off Moyes back.
Hopefully he can then realise that making the same mistakes over and over is just plain madness and suddenly relaese our players to become the world beaters we all want them to be!!!!
Andrew Brophy
196   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:17:51

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We have a very tough replay up there. Sunderland are not a great side but they are well organised and O'Neill knows how to motivate a team. plus their crowd will actually turn up for this one and will be up for it. The received wisdom from the media will be that it all ends here. Chelsea last season anyone?....

We are fully capable of going up there and doing the business. All of us know that, including the fatalists. All the speculation, hopes, doubts, fears seem to be, overtly or otherwise, coagulating (now there's a word) around the manager: can he pick the right team? Will he get his tactics right? Can he motivate them? What have his recent decisions said about his opinion of his squad and, more to the point, what do the players think it says?

Personally, i think the answer to the last two questions will decide things, whatever any of us, individually or collectively, might think.

I suspect that he will put out the strongest he can against Arsenal, but that we can expect to see changes at Swansea (and if so what about a run out for Ross Barkley?)

My overriding concern about a manager whose committment, honesty and decency I have always admired and respected is that caution and a safety-first, play the percentages mentality have become too engrained through, I believe, the constant failure of the board to enable him to at least try to take the next big step.

We can all point to this, point to that, and I think he screwed up big time last week.

I cannot put into words how much I fundamentally want this man to succeed - but in a way that accords with the traditions that I am old enough and perhaps blinkered enough to see as our birthright as Blues. Perhaps that's the problem. Perhaps I'm the problem.

Can we, and he, see of the Mackems? Of course. And I'm quietly confident we will. I can't hold with any view that it would be better not to because....Of course I can understand it: God knows I've witnessed enough loaded dice when it comes to them and I include Toshack climbing all over Andy Rankin in '71.

But if justice never had its day none of us would be here. Maybe, just maybe...

But Sunderland first. Please Davey, no more safety first. This might be our time. Certainly it is yours. Do not let us, or yourself, down.
Gavin Ramejkis
197   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:45:25

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James, Moyes made serious mistakes in the 2009 final, Hibbert was carded under ten minutes as Osman disappeared from the wing in front of him and was just a passenger, Hibbert was replaced after 46 mins but by then he was being torn apart, Osman stayed on the pitch until the 82nd minute despite having an absolute mare of a game for the majority of that time.

The bench was fairly non descript due to injuries but of those on it; Nash, Jacobsen, Castillo, Rodwell, Gosling, Vaughan and Baxter it was Jacobsen, Gosling and Vaughan that came on, the last two after we were done and buried and dont forget the disallowed goal that hit the crossbar and crossed the line but wasn't given.
Paul Johnson
198   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:55:01

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James, sorry but Moyes did bottle the final. Nowhere in his game plan did he have us going one nil up in the first minute. So he was fucked when Saha (the soft bastard) fucked the game plan up of keep it tight and hope we nick one late on. Or better go to pens.....
Roman Sidey
202   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:53:39

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You're right, James. There was no way we could ever have beaten Chelsea. Which is why I guess we never do!
Andy Meighan
203   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:46:29

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Providing we do get through, and it's a big ask ? and I've got a funny feeling we just might scrape through ? is there anything to fear from our lovable neighbours? I've watched them a couple of times recently and, to be honest, given what they've shelled out and what we have, you couldn't get a cigarette paper between them.

I watched that today with my mate who's a Red and what he said to me was "Why are you bothered about playing them? They're fucking awful." And do you know what? He's right. If that coward can go into the game with a positive mindset, I truly believe we can take them.

The only worry is his record against them; that aside, they are truly fucking ordinary. I'd be more worried about about facing Chelsea, given their upturn in form. So come on, boys, stay positive... because it'll be nothing like Tuesday's performance, believe me.
Sam Fitzsimmons
206   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:57:03

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Do I live on a different football planet?

Hard to believe the vitriolic, poisonous bile over a potential FA cup semi-final derby game. Sure I get frustrated by Moyes and his tactics and his team selection. I even get angry with Everton players who are paid megabucks unable to do the basics like run into space or make a simple pass.

But I am absolutely bewildered by anyone who isn't in the least bit excited by the potential of beating Sunderland and facing Liverpool in a semi final to reach the FA cup final!

And for those who question whether our expectations have dropped to and all time low.

Back in 1968 I expected us to beat WBA in the FA Cup Final but Jeff Astle burst that bubble for me. Throughout the eighties my expectation was to win trophies. Fast forward to the nineties, I expected us to avoid relegation. Now I expect us to get into Europe and maybe even get to a final and win a domestic trophy.

Perhaps at 5pm on the 12th May, we will have our day in the sun and lift the first Budweiser FA Cup.

Forgive me if I dare to dream!
Robby Daniels
208   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:44:32

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Dear, dear me...

The negativity on here, a dont know why or where it comes from.

Err?

Err...

Could it possibly be... the worst owner in Everton's history coupled with the most out-of-his-depth manager since Walker, being at the club for the last 10 shit years.... Just a thought.

If people on here really think that Moyes is capable of beating Sunderland away, then toddling off to Wembley to beat King Kenny and the Dark side on the weekend of the anniversary of Hilsboro, then beating Chelski or Spurs in the final??

Get a fucking grip... it aint gonna happen, our owners are shit, Moyes is shit, and were shit because of it.

Merseyside police have just reasured people on Merseyside, that the loud thud heard at 6:05pm tonight wasn't in fact an explosion, it was just Moyes's arse hitting the floor.........
Dean Adams
209   Posted 18/03/2012 at 22:09:11

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Roman Sidey 202

"You're right, James. There was no way we could ever have beaten Chelsea. Which is why I guess we never do! "

Are you just trying to be argumentative? I know its not exactly busy tonight, but really!! We do beat them, just not regularly. I was there last year at Stamford Bridge when Phil Neville slotted the winner, so were thousands of blues. Don't make such daft statements.
Tom Bowers
212   Posted 18/03/2012 at 22:15:20

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Moyes's attitude in showing a reluctance to play attacking football with his negative team selections throughout the season is the reason many loyal Evertonians have become negative about our chances of winning any game ? let alone playing the so-called top teams. Just look at what Martin O'Neill has done with Sunderland and Brendan Rogers with Swansea.

Sunderland came out blazing yesterday despite missing Sessignon, Richardson and Cattermole... and they will be back for the replay. Moyes will play 4-5-1 again but I think we have blown it after having 19 attempts at goal and only scoring one. Some of the finishing was awful.

Yes, it is the Cup and anything can happen but it would have been nice to be already set to play Redshite which could really make something of the season despite all the other disappointments.
Roman Sidey
213   Posted 18/03/2012 at 22:22:56

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Sorry, Dean. Sarcasm doesn't translate in type no matter how obvious it seems. I know we beat Chelsea, quite regularly these days. That was my point.

Sam Fitzsimmons, please don't mistake my contempt for Moyes for depression over these prospects. I really hope we do get that semi-final against the Shite, and I think we will beat Sunderland in the replay. I just don't think Moyes thinks the same.
Steve Barr
219   Posted 18/03/2012 at 23:03:02

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Steve at #164.

I would generally agree. We do have a bit of a negative disposition when it comes to playing Liverpool.

However, they were there for the taking on Tuesday. We were on a decent winning streak and they were on a very poor run.

Many Liverpudlians I know were very nervous going into that game and some called me before the kick off getting their excuses in ahead of what they believed was to be a beating.

Then our team is announced and their confidence visibly grew. I had the misfortune of watching the game with a few Reds!

When we do have the upper hand we blow it. This time it was squarely down to Moyes.

Ben Jones
221   Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:46:03

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The negative brigade is back!

We could easily have beaten Sunderland, quite simply Mignolet was good.

We're more than capable of beating them at their place.

Stephen Sullivan
222   Posted 18/03/2012 at 23:12:27

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Steve (219) ? I know it is not a black and white thing, that there are always a range of variables in attitudes, beliefs etc between and within each individual and set of supporters. But, I am convinced that we have a massive negative bias in expectation (certainly not in hope or desire for a positive result) which in itself contributes to the end result.

Jim Carrey and Greg Braden describe some of the Law of Attraction stuff here (ignore the first 3 minutes or so):

http://youtu.be/rIdm_FH4kP0
Luke O'Farrell
224   Posted 18/03/2012 at 23:53:53

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Ben (221)

We could have won but we didn't. A keeper being 'good' is no valid reason for not winning a game; being world class might be. We simply didn't do enough. The double save aside, we created very few clear cut chances.

It isn't negative to point out faults and problems within the side. What are people meant to do? Ignore the fact that we have very little creativity? Ignore the fact that we've been toothless in front of goal for around 2 years now.

Putting a positive spin on things doesn't make us play better and doesn't hide the fact that our squad just simply isn't good enough.
Paul Holmes
228   Posted 19/03/2012 at 00:24:49

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We can't change the last week or the results but we can change the next couple of important games by all singing from the same hymn sheet and the season can end on a high!


If we can beat Sunderland then beat Liverpool, Moyes will be forgiven by me and hopefully everybody else, so let's all be positive and get behind the travelling 7,000 supporters going to the Northeast!

Chris Leyland
230   Posted 19/03/2012 at 00:31:55

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Robby Daniels ? "with the most out-of-his-depth manager since Walker, being at the club for the last 10 shit years" ? Get a grip will you?

Yes, that's right: Walter "bottom six" Smith was a far better mangager than Moyes during his time at Everton. He often bettered Moyes's top 6 finishes... oh no, hang about, he constantly had us in the bottom 6.

The only other mangers we had since Mike Walker were Big Joe who won the cup, so that gives him the edge over Moyes, and Kendall who avoided relegation on the final day thanks to a 1-1 draw against Coventry in a game where we couldn't even win and had to rely on other results. But still, despite Walter's and Howard's league positions compared to Moyes's, they were clearly far more "in their depth" than he ever has been.
John Maxwell
233   Posted 19/03/2012 at 01:14:57

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Steve Barr 090 and Joe McMahon 158 "Expecations have fallen so low with Moyes"

Maybe you can remind everyone when it was higher???

Apart from the blip in '95 we've been pretty dire since around 1990.
Alex Higgins
236   Posted 19/03/2012 at 01:27:03

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Our record in FA Cup Semi Finals versus Liverpool

P 5, W 1, D 1, L3, GF 5, GA 9

Our only win 1906; time for another win, if we beat Sunderland.
Domino Darkley
237   Posted 19/03/2012 at 01:44:31

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I have a feeling that the prospect of a semi-final with Liverpool will turn the tide in our favour in the Sunderland replay.

Moyes might be saying in public that he has "no regrets" about the Anfield derby but I bet inside he is kicking himself.

The fates have intervened and he now has a chance to rectify Tuesday night's debacle.

The players themselves will be galvanised and there should be no repeat of the lethargic first 20 minutes from yesterday.

I now fancy we will win through the replay and have the chance to restore the pride of EFC which was so ignominously battered in midweek.
Steve Sweeney
239   Posted 19/03/2012 at 02:41:46

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Didn't we win the cup in 1906?
Peter Barry
240   Posted 19/03/2012 at 02:41:51

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Like all good loyal Evertonians, in our dreams we want Everton to beat Sunderland at the second bidding and then to go to Wembley and turn over the murdering RedShite in return for decades of pain, and then to face Chelsea in the Cup Final and reverse the surrender of 2009.

But unfortunately I am afraid that's where the fantasies will stay... in our dreams. So why do I say that am I not an Evertonian ... of course I am, but an Evertonian of 58 years standing who is sick and fed up with being fed a constant diet of unmotivated, tactically inept DROSS ? with the occasional good result thrown in.

I have lost all trust in Dire Dour Davey and believe he just does not have it ? he is a BOTTLER ? a small, stubborn, dour man out of his depth in a job just too big for him.
Peter Barry
242   Posted 19/03/2012 at 03:18:05

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"We can't change the last week or the results but we can change the next couple of important games by all singing from the same hymn sheet and the season can end on a high!" ? says Paul Holmes # 228

So tell us Paul how that works? ? What divine intervention all these 'good vibes' is going to do... will it make everything in the garden 'Hunky Dory' if we all get together and praise the non-performing Tactically Inept Defensive minded non-motivating Manager and his non-performing players?

Sometimes I really do doubt the rationality of the Moyesophiles. They just can't believe the evidence of their own eyes and live in some 'dewey eyed' fantasy world where everything turns out OK and we all live happily ever after if we just never criticise.
Jon Cox
251   Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:40:00

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One things for sure. It's going to be some fun on TW for the next fortnight.
Billy Bradshaw
253   Posted 19/03/2012 at 07:10:49

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What are the timescales for ITV and ESPN to inform the clubs that they are showing the replay on TV?? It's a disgrace the way the supporter is left to wait and can't make plans.
Eugene Ruane
255   Posted 19/03/2012 at 07:26:44

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Re Ben Jones - 221.

And the got-nothing-of-any-sense-to-say 'brigade' never goes away.

"We could have.." !?

(see 'we might..' and 'if..').

Wishful thinking (like a kid hoping every day will be Christmas).

It appears that in your simple world, truth becomes negativity and therefore somehow invalid.

Ridiculous in the extreme.

(do you read negative posts with your eyes half-closed while making a BLURBLURBLUR noise?)

If you have a specific counter-point to an opinion, post it.

If you don't, better saying nothing than something stupid.

And we're not MORE than capable, we're capable - thanks for stating the blindingly obvious.

A bit like saying 'we could win..OR get beat'.
Mike Green
258   Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:20:35

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Ben 221 - we probably should have beaten Sunderland easily but given the opportunity we didn't, and therefore couldn't. People are being negative because we were at home against a weakened Sunderland side but failed to take advantage.

We've now got to play them again with those factors reversed so why should we be filled with confidence? Mignolet make a great double save but, in a second half where we dominated possession, how many other times did we test him? It will, by definition, be a different game at the Stadium of Light.
Richard Dodd
260   Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:27:08

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We shall never know if we would have beaten our local rivals if Moyes had put out a full side, just as we shall never know if the result would have been different on Saturday had he done so.

Similarly, it remains pure conjecture were Moyes to be replaced with Lambert or Rodgers, if the flowing football they would certainly introduce would be as effective in points production as under the present incumbent.

One thing is for certain, I bet we`d find just as much to argue about!
John Sreet
261   Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:42:59

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Yeah Moyes got it wrong in the derby and on other occasions too, get over it. Beaten before we begin, I see many write... well seems you are. If we beat Sunderland we'll beat Liverpool I am confident of that, they will be the ones fearing the re-match.
Mike Green
267   Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:31:04

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Or why else would the Sunderland players and fans have reacted at the final whistle like they'd won the tie? Why would forcing a replay been seen as a victory? Not because they're Sunday Laegue and were Premier League but because they know they've got a much better chance of beating us at their place than ours and if they set themselves up to nick it or at least draw this would be success, hence he celebrations. Conversely, our gameplan to prevent that from happening failed, so psychologically its Everton 0 Sunderland 1, hence the 'negative' reaction. When the final whistle went did you rub your hands together and think 'nice one!'?

I'm not saying we can't, or won't, win the replay. What I'm saying is my belief that we will compared to this time last week has taken a real knock after a humiliating defeat and a draw where we didn't have the quality to finish the game off at home. With two tough games in the space of a week in the run up to the replay why should I be brimming with optimism?
Dan McKie
270   Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:29:16

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Another reason fans can hardly be brimming with confidence is our away form. In the 4 games that we have managed to win away, we had Blackburn who should have had us dead and buried before we committed daylight robbery with a last-second penalty, Fulham which was an even game which we nicked at the end, West Brom which was an even game which we nicked at the end, and Bolton who fell apart after having a man sent off!

We just need to hope that Sunderland aren't good enough to score in the first 88 minutes, and too tired to defend for the remaining 2 plus stoppage.
Peter Laing
272   Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:18:11

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In my opinion, Moyes needs to start giving Barkley some game time in the next couple of weeks.

From what I have witnessed in recent games, Osman's pass to Jelavic against Spurs aside, we are crying out for something different to come from midfield.
Mark Murphy
274   Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:32:07

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"and then tear the RS a new one at Wembley."

Did I miss the appointment of Pep Guardiola??

Since last Tuesday, I've given up on the possibility of us "tearing a new one" in the RS in my lifetime! But 1-0 will do.
Lenny Kingman
276   Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:40:27

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#153

"1986 ? how we lost, I will never know"

I do: Bobby Mimms.
Andrew Clare
280   Posted 19/03/2012 at 10:08:27

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With another Manager I would be optimistic. With this one ? no chance.

He cannot lift teams for cup games, he is too negative and he is too defensively minded. Very over-rated in a league full of over-rated managers bar maybe two.
Oliver Molloy
284   Posted 19/03/2012 at 10:49:14

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There can be no greater incentive for us to get a result against Sunderland and I believe we will.

The opportunity to stop Liverpool getting to another final should in itself motivate all who wear the blue shirt and get a result against O'Neill's men. To see Gerrard's & Carragher's faces after being beaten by us in the semi-final would be like winning the competition to me.

It's good to dream, people.
COYB
Gary Mortimer
285   Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:35:55

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Unfortunately for us Evertonians, we have to trust a manager who meddled with a stable side who were playing okay and were on a good run. He replaced players on form with players returning from injury with virtually no game-time.

Dropping Jonny H was, simply, madness. Resting Cahill against the one team he always gives a good performance, even on his current poor run and replacing him with Vic was also a very poor decision. He then confounded this by playing players out of position. All this against our local rivals, who were on a very bad run and were beatable.

His gamble being that we would have a better chance of winning the cup tie. Well it all backfired. As far as I view it, if we had put our strongest (ie, fittest) team on Tuesday and perhaps achieved a battling draw, then I think we would have won on Saturday.

However, we got our arses spanked in the derby and, although a bit unlucky with the penalty shouts, hitting the bar etc, only drew the cup tie against a Sunderland team missing their two best players, both of whom will be back for the replay.

It?s not being negative thinking that we?ve missed our main chance. It?s not being negative thinking that even if we do beat Sunderland; we will have a huge mountain to climb facing a Liverpool team that we haven?t beaten away from Goodison Park since 1999.

Our players were dreadful for the first 20 minutes on Saturday, in my opinion a direct consequence of the humiliation on Tuesday and the added pressure imposed by Moyes?s masterplan.

The manager sets the mood for the whole team. Looking at how the likes of Ozzie, Fellaini and Rodwell play at times, it is a confidence thing, and I don?t think Moyes has the ability to instil confidence into them. They play in fear too often.

We can be as negative as we want and it won?t affect the team?s performance. Moyes?s negativity, however, is another thing. Can we trust him to work our players up into a frenzy of pride and passion for the shirt? Or will he send them out with ?Let?s keep it tight and try and nick it" attitude?

If he does the latter then I, personally, will fear the worst, as this tactic has repeatedly failed to work against the ?Sky 4? away from Goodison Park in the ten years he?s been at the club.

I would love it if Moyes would grow some and say something along the lines ?Yes, it?s a gunfight and we only have a blunt knife. We won?t be taking it though as we won?t need it, we?ll take ?em apart with our bare hands.? Can anyone see that though?
Mike Green
286   Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:10:46

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Well said, Gary Mortimer.
Tony McNulty
287   Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:18:23

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The master plan was:

- lose against the Shite to lull them into a false sense of security;

- secure a replay against an easy-to-beat Sunderland in order to bring in much needed revenue;

- spank the Shite in the semis.

Would anyone like a pint of what I've been drinking?
Terry McLavey
288   Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:17:46

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All we need is one of the players to go into print on how "we 're going to beat Sunderland and get to Wembley" that should be enough to kill the dream!

There's a difference to being positive and being realistic. I read somewhere in a previous thread "we're not a big club anymore but a club with with a big history!" ? possibly the truest thing I've read on this site; realise this and things don't hurt so much!!
Sam Hoare
290   Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:15:12

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Does it not seem ironic that so many people on here who accuse Moyes of being negative seem to spend their whole time moaning and going on and on about how bad we are and how things are so bad etc etc... pot calling the kettle etc...

We were unlucky against Sunderland, we were denied a stonewall penalty, had nearly all the possession and shot on goal and their keeper made a great double save. We lack a little creativity up front against stubborn teams... this is no newsflash.

But guess what...w e're still in the cup and we're 10th in the league. Anyone would think we were Wolves!!
Richard Tarleton
291   Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:45:30

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We sit deep in our own half at the Stadium of Light and Anichebe nicks a winning goal in the last minute. Moyes ponders hard and picks the following team to play Liverpool: Mucha, Hibbert, Jagielka, Duffy and Baines, a midfield of Neville, Fellaini, Rodwell and Cahill with Anichebe wide on the left á la Blackburn and Stracqualursi on his own upfront.

After we lose comprehensively, he says we can concentrate on a top ten finish.
James Morgan
292   Posted 19/03/2012 at 10:44:58

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Will be interesting to hear what Rats is about to say on TalkSport in a minute; supposedly he was critical of Moyes the other day.
Steve Sweeney
294   Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:07:37

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The FA should tell Dogleish to fuck off and if they won't play on the Sunday they will be thrown out of the competition. I'm sick of this Hillsborough "woe is me" shit.

Do Bradford refuse to play on the anniversary of the fire at their ground, or Rangers on New Years Day in memory of the Ibrox disaster? No, they just get on with it.

RedShite Gobshites
Kevin Tully
295   Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:19:47

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I heard Round this morning quoting us as underdogs for the replay with Sunderland. There you have it in a nutshell, the whole fucking small time mentality from our coach.

If we do manage to sneak a 1-0 against Sunderland, the shithouse Moyes will have us bottling it against the red-shite.

1-0, and try to hold what we have, pack the midfield, all back for corners, invite them on to us, make 3 defensive sub's.......

I am sick of the small club attitude, knife to a gunfight bollocks spouted form the Chairman down to the tea lady.

Grow some fucking bollocks, the lot of you.
Tony J Williams
296   Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:33:34

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Kevin, we play better when we are underdogs.

Steve, I am with you on this, Man U played on the anniversary of the Munich disaster too....
Chris Davies
300   Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:13:20

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It's just my opinion here but, this debate about Moyes's capability is irrelevant on this occasion. Here's why...

We need to go to Sunderland and win with a derby match at Wembley as motivation (not forgetting Sunderland are shit). Then need to beat the RS at Wembley for guaranteed European football the following season.

The motivation to win these two games against quite average opposition should be enormous! Moyes shouldn't need to say a word. For these reasons, I think we'll roll Sunderland (and the shite) over.

Now... over to the players...
John Keating
301   Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:49:27

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Had to laugh at O'Keefe's report this morning. He reckons "some" supporters questioned Moyes's team on Tuesday.

What a fucking idiot! It only proves ? yet again ? how far out of touch these so-called reporters are. Had he bothered to get off his arse and out of the freebie area on Tuesday night, he would have written "almost every"...

What a joke!
Tony J Williams
305   Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:57:57

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All we need now at the SoL is for the players to actually play like we know they can.

Get Coleman in for a few sessions on how to actually shoot and get Drenthe some stabilizers. Get a few pans of scouse down Ossie's neck and keep reminding Heitinga to wave his hand when Moyes thinks about bringing Jags on.
Dan McKie
306   Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:57:46

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Why do people keep harping on about their keeper? Other than the Heitinga header, then getting the ball smacked at him from an impossible angle straight after, what did he do? He barely had another save to make. We put aimless ball after aimless ball into the box which I'd have caught most of them!
Andy Meighan
308   Posted 19/03/2012 at 13:01:22

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I think we all agree on one thing and that is Moyes sacrificed the derby for the cup game. While I wouldn't say it backfired badly, it definitely had an effect; we struggled to break them down.

As an earlier poster said, he's got to try something different in midfield. Hopefully Gibson will be fit, so it'll be interesting to see if Moyes plunges him right back in. Gibbo gives us something different in that he allows Fellaini more scope to get forward ? who, by the way, I thought was poor on Saturday.

Let's just hope the morbid bastard doesn't sacrifice any more league games because, after all, winning breeds confidence.
Andrew Clare
313   Posted 19/03/2012 at 13:34:48

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Sam at #290 sums it up nicely. 10th in the league and still in the cup! Isn't that just marvellous!
James Morgan
324   Posted 19/03/2012 at 14:34:57

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Andrew 313, was thinking the same thing! How grateful we should be! Some supporters seem happy for us to hover around mid-table and it's fantastic we are in the cup still. Are we Bolton now?
Tony J Williams
331   Posted 19/03/2012 at 15:10:21

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They are not happy James, just not apocalyptic like a lot on here.
Stephen Kenny
343   Posted 19/03/2012 at 16:50:01

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I couldn't give a fuck about the playing the shite at Wembley.

They beat a half fit side that hadn't played together for a long, long time.

They are nothing special at all and if we play them Moyes will have to 'go for it' because he's backed himself into a corner by putting that team out. Wembley would suit us over them IMO as we've got the players to play a more expansive game.

Yet another shithouse display would see people call for his head.
Dalziel Kane
353   Posted 19/03/2012 at 17:31:58

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What's all this crap about 'I hope we lose to Sunderland so we don't have to face them in the semi final', from some participants?

It's like this - If we win this replay in the north east we give ourselves a chance of beating our excellent neighbors at a neutral venue where anything could happen - If we lose the replay, that opportunity goes begging and someone else has a shot at reaching British footballs showpiece event. I can't add to some members that they genuinely hope we are eliminated in this replay, fucking nonsense really, OK, there could be an another embarrassment or serious loss against Liverpool, but we'll never know unless we can first get past the Sunderland replay and give ourselves a chance.

I'm thinking I'd rather have them at the semi-final stage rather than the Final itself, had some painful memories of past Final encounters with the shite and a third time (defeat) in a little over 25 years would not be a pleasant experience. IF they were to beat us of course. Not being pessimistic but I'd rather have a semi-final loss against those than the actual Final itself, it would be easier to take I just feel, but then again obviously if we were to beat them at either stage it would be outstanding, particularly the Final, but I was thinking just then of the pitfalls of losing, maybe Tuesday night is still too fresh in the memory.

Thing is though, Liverpool are no world class opposition, any side that takes 120 minutes and spot kicks to win a (meaningless, trivial) trophy against second division opposition can't be a Brazil of 1970 for instance. And Yes, they blow hot and cold in the league too. The initial reaction by some that Dalglish was some kind of club savior seems to have washed away. Say what you like, but I feel there is every chance Toffees can beat the shite in the semi-final. But first things first and the small matter of a sixth round replay coming up on the rails before anything else. I'm focusing perhaps on this game that is of paramount importance with regards to what's left of our season, and there's no way in hell I would want to see Everton go out that night, if only to avoid maybe another embarrassment against those beauts at the last four stage. And what if we can actually beat them? You know it's more than possible. Anything can happen on the day.


If we can't win the replay (or some don't want to) , then we'll never know -
Robby Daniels
358   Posted 19/03/2012 at 18:12:53

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Chris Leyland,

When I said 'out of his depth' like Walker, it was in reference to a small time manager at a big club... out of his depth.

I never mentioned Walter, Joe or Howard? Them three managers achieved quite a bit of silverware on their travels, all with big club experience. The Dour Davey has done neither and for my money never will.

Those three never got ten years between them, and The Inept One is about to negotiate his third 5-year plan?

God help us, we have Two unmovables and they're destroying us... FFS.
Nick Entwistle
360   Posted 19/03/2012 at 18:33:44

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David Moyes destroying us is laughable. Even his detractors couldn't say he's destroying us. Never met a Robert turned Robbie you could take seriously... just saying.
Dalziel Kane
362   Posted 19/03/2012 at 18:26:56

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Moyes must be grinning like a Cheshire Cat if they're seriously going to offer him another five-year extension as club manager, what is it, £3½M a year? and for what exactly? I'm talking about present (and immediate future) time and not necessarily the fine work he did in getting the club to some very commendable league finishes where pay was perhaps justified. Salaries today just seem ludicrous sometimes.

I'm a fair believer that Moyes has become stale now and seriously believe that Everton Football Club will not win a trophy so long as Moyes is manager, therefore I'm not really excited about the prospect of having the dull Scotsman in charge for another five years. No, I really don't feel comfortable with that.

I've nothing against Moyes as a human being, I'm sure he's a nice enough individual, but as manager of this club just wish sometimes he would perhaps disappear and never be seen around Goodison again. Maybe I'm too hard on Mr Moyes sometimes, but it's merely how I feel about it right now. The man does himself no favors sometimes.
Phil Walling
367   Posted 19/03/2012 at 19:16:23

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"Keep it tight and hope to nick one" has seen Moyes establish himself as a virtual institution at Everton and become the current darling of the sporting press. He`s kept us in the top half of the Prem ? and thus kept Kenwright in his august position. But his style of football sucks and his in-play tactics are non existent.

Of course we could do worse but for me his myopic defensive approach and 'little club' outlook are both out of time and out of order. I just cannot contemplate another five years of this shit ?even at 20% less cost to our broken club. And don`t start me on 'nodding dog' Round!
Chris Butler
368   Posted 19/03/2012 at 19:28:37

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Moyes is LFC's Uncle Tom ? forever a slave for the demands of LFC. My view on Moyes is that he just has no intention of sending a side out to beat Liverpool. His record is disgraceful against Liverpool, against some of the worst Liverpool sides that Liverpool fans have known. He's never won at Anfield or even come close to for that matter.

We've nearly come away with the points at Arsenal, Chelsea and United but we've never come close at Anfield. He's won a grand total of 4 derby games in 10 years, 1 of those was against 10 men. He's never understood the derby and what it means to us to beat those devils from across the park.

He has caused many an Evertonian misery, having to go into work or school on the back of a horrific defeat. He always bottles it every year, the players don't have any belief that they can beat Liverpool either. Liverpool have won 6 times at GP during his tenure, Moyes will always be very popular among Liverpool fans ? after Dalglish, he's their favourite manager.
Robby Daniels
384   Posted 19/03/2012 at 21:37:03

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Nick,

I said they were both destroying us!!!

Let's see if your still laughing when he signs his fourth five-year plan????

BTW... for your info... TW... changed Robert to Robby...

Anyway, Nick, you keep laughing, and I'll keep moaning about the shite football we've had to endure under your hero. :)
Michael Kenrick
402   Posted 20/03/2012 at 00:28:14

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Sorry Robby, I changed it to match your email, based on something you put in one message a while back.

Your call: Robert, Rob, Robby, Robbie, Bob, Bobbie, Dobbie... Which one d'ya want?
Noel Lynam
405   Posted 20/03/2012 at 01:45:27

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"Does it not seem ironic that so many people on here who accuse Moyes of being negative seem to spend their whole time moaning and going on and on about how bad we are and how things are so bad etc etc... pot calling the kettle etc..."

No Sam, I see it as cause and effect. Moyes' perceived negative approach results in those same people having a negative outlook towards the club under his management.
Robby Daniels
413   Posted 20/03/2012 at 06:55:32

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Michael,... haha,

Robby's fine, in fact any of the above suits me.

I have been called a lot worse.

You could even use my log in name when i am moaning about Uncle Bill... hehe:)

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