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078 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:09:42
079 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:11:05
080 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:12:30
081 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:14:17
084 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:13:47
085 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:15:23
Now there's an alien concept.
086 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:16:58
087 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:13:27
He's a great laugh Moyes.
088 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:17:58
It's a perfect opportunity to get some revenge for those losses, but losing another massive game to them complete twats sickens me to the pits of my stomach.
089 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:18:45
Tough match at Sunderland but then the opportunity for revenge.
090 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:19:13
We have the chance of a semi-final against Liverpool. This should be a fantastic event to savour. Instead Moyes has presided over our slow demise, culminating in this tepid expectation.
Such a draw should have us buzzing, instead we are apathetic at best!
091 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:22:46
093 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:23:33
094 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:15:15
I hope he has learnt a similar lesson to the Spurs one from a few seasons ago. I hope (despite his denial yesterday!) he has learnt that it is NOT acceptable for Everton to not try to win EVERY game no matter the opposition and DEFINITELY not against the Shite.
096 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:26:16
And Moyes gets called negative.
Get a grip.
097 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:26:00
099 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:28:44
100 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:27:38
That sums it up.
101 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:36:01
102 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:40:17
104 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:41:44
105 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:43:13
Am I being negative enough to join the doom-mongers amongst us?
106 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:45:00
107 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:41:59
A chance of revenge though if we get through. If we can beat Liverpool and then win the cup we should be able to forget what Moyes did, or didn't do.
108 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:43:04
109 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:43:13
I think we can beat Sunderland up there but don't know if it would be typical Everton to beat them and then get beat by the Shite.
112 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:47:47
115 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:52:44
Elstone has probably texted Ian Ayres as well to ask him out...
116 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:54:56
118 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:54:29
I just wonder where Moyes is now, metaphysically I mean, and what his thinking is about his actions in the past 7 days... and where he stands with The Fans and The Club.
120 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:57:58
123 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:56:32
"Does he (Moyes) have the bottle"
Well unless he flew to a private clinic in Switzerland last night, and had some sort of bottle-transplant procedure ('bottlectomy'?) then he has more than proved..no he doesn't.
Jamie (096), sorry but that is fucking ridiculous 'logic'.
The negativity from posters on here is AS-A-RESULT of Moyes' negativity and uselessness.
Consequently, the posts are perfectly acceptable, natural, NORMAL human responses.
Simple cause and effect, a reaction to an action (or in this case, a fucking lack of action).
Action: - Manager changes six players from a winning side for a derby, we get twatted, we are humiliated, he thinks we did ok and blames the FA.
See hundreds of angry 'negative' posts.
Those imo who need to 'get a grip' are those who read these perfectly understandable reactions and decide to use them to show us all what 'positive', glass half-full individuals they are.
That is REALLY fucking odd.
124 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:00:47
And now we are here, today!
125 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:01:20
We went into the derby full of expectation, on a high, thinking this was a good chance of beating the Shite eventually at their gaff... Moyes soon dampened that optimism though. So, as I say, can you blame some fans for not being negative?
126 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:49:20
One, Moyes, and to a lesser extent, our players, are lucky to get this potential draw against Liverpool. It offers an immediate chance to make amends for the recent derby game.
Secondly, it offers our best chance of getting through to the Final, in my opinion. I wouldn't have fancied our chances against Spurs at Wembley, with Bale flying down one wing, and Lennon down the other; or against a resurgent Chelsea.
Three, Liverpool will still be playing flat out for fourth spot in the next four weeks, whereas Moyes will have the luxury of targeting just the Sunderland game, and then the semi-final.
I too went to and suffered those finals of the 1980s, so maybe this is our time to lay those ghosts.
127 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:00:42
We have a decent record at Sunderland and they will definitely come at us. Which means we won't have the problem of trying to break them down.
Usually at this stage of the season, we have nothing to play for, bar the outside chance of qualifying for the Europa League.
So let's try and enjoy it. We can beat Sunderland and we can beat Liverpool. I suspect we won't be resting any players should we get to the semi.
129 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:06:36
131 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:05:25
132 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:11:36
Best Wishes to Fabrice Muamba which is far more important.
133 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:10:12
Show some guts, stop moaning and be excited about the possibility of some revenge.
134 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:02:37
135 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:07:26
136 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:11:56
It's just frustrating coming in here having to read stuff like "why bother, we'll get stuffed".
137 Posted 18/03/2012 at 18:59:07
139 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:23:06
141 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:20:00
Instead we now have 10 (?) days anxiously kicking our heels to go into a tough away fixture which we should have put to bed yesterday. If we lose the replay we look like a bunch of mugs who 'can't even win a tie with two rolls of the dice with a Merseyside derby at Wembley as the prize', if we do we look like the uninvited guest whos struggled to get to the table, giving Liverpool the upper hand.
And we've done it to ourselves after completely screwing up the last two games.
142 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:25:40
One thing is for sure for me personally.. I will not be going to Wembley and put myself through watching us play Liverpool.
I have seen it all before and I just couldnt do it again..
143 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:25:55
144 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:19:56
Moyes was so clever to plan all that to keep our season sizzling!!!!
145 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:25:00
You should say that to DM, Sam.
There's years of disappointment against that shower of shit, that should have provided plenty of reasons for revenge on Tuesday night. Never happened though eh?
146 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:16:08
We CAN go up there and win but to read some of the bollocks on here you would think that Everton were a top 4 team and that we should steam roller anyone who steps foot into GP ? well we ain't and that is a fact.
Now what is a fact is that Sunderland away ? yeah we can do that.
148 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:17:53
149 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:08:12
Irony can be cruel sometimes, I mean there we were sending out 60% of the outfield players of a winning team in a crucial league game and getting shafted, thereby giving impetus and confidence to our historic rivals! The swines breezed through their tie today and we should have done yesterday... Cheers, Dave.
151 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:36:33
152 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:23:16
153 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:32:33
1977 ? robbed by that twat Clive Thomas;
1984 ? Milk Cup Final, lost to Hansen the fuckin juggler.
1986 ? how we lost, I will never know
1989 ? went the semis against Norwich,
But I wouldn't go the final gave my ticket away just couldnt take it anymore, you knew they would win .
I never thought it would be this hard being an Evertonian but I've been going since 1967 so will stick with them.
ps I just love my Blues.
154 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:24:50
Just think of all the people who have ever shouted "I'll fuckin' kill him!".
Do you think thy were REALLY intending to ACTUALLY kill someone?
People lose the run of themselves, it's to be expected from time to time (it's kind of the nature of anger)
But here's something you and I KNOW.
Everyone who posts on here wants Everton to win every game.
In fact that is WHY people get angry/negative - because we don't win enough games and we don't win enough important games.
Consequently, the manager, on sixty odd grand A WEEK, rightly and understandably gets Evertonian stick.
Not that it seems to bother him.
155 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:30:10
The word "bottlers" came up a couple of times. By the time we've rotated for the Sunderland league game and the cup replay we'll be so confused we won't know who's turn it'll be to play!
157 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:46:50
Liverpool struggled to beat Cardiff at Wembley, we can give them a much tougher time.
Better what is an average Liverpool team with a couple of outstanding talents than Chelsea or Spurs I think. Best draw we could have hoped for.
They will be complacent after last week's farce. I'm sure we can give them a rude awakening, assuming we get past Sunderland of course.
158 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:47:28
Jesus our exepoectations have sunken so low under the Moyes years, haven't they? Nil Satis......that's a Laugh!
159 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:45:13
160 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:46:12
In fact if you apply all your Sunderland arguments to us away at Anfield (except the ref) I could not agree more. But why didn't we go there with that attitude? Quite simply because of our 'knife to a gunfight' leader.
162 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:54:54
Christ it could be painful, and you know full well should they beat us they will lift the trophy.
I don't live in Liverpool so enjoy the parade...
What this should be though is a reason for Moyes to start salivating and prove his worth, not in final league position, but in occasion.
163 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:56:52
164 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:54:56
Most Evertonians I know, including me, fear losing to them so much that we attract the very thing we can't stop thinking about. LFC fans I know, to a man, expect to win against us and thus attract that outcome.
We inadvertantly help them win the penalty shoot outs too even against other teams than us.
For example against Cardiff, I and no doubt most Evertonians were expecting things to work out for them even when they were behind in the penalties scored.
We need to "co-create" a better outcome. Seriously!
165 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:47:35
166 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:05:30
167 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:53:29
January 21st 2012 - Blackburn battered us at Goodison, and we were lucky to escape with a 1-1.
January 31st 2012 - Ten days later, league leaders City game to Goodison, and we out-fought and out-thought them, to win 1-0.
February 4th 2012 - Back to the bad stuff, with a poor 1-1 at Wigan.
February 11th 2012 - Another rousing display to beat Chelsea 1-0.
So, Jekyll and Hyde stuff very recently, but we clearly do have big wins in us, against the odds. This includes Sunderland away and then Liverpool in the semi, where both teams will come onto us, which seems to suit.
Moyes has set the precedent, so will sacrifice the league games in order to pick his best team for The Cup. I certainly want us to get through to face Liverpool, unlike some on here, and would expect both Moyes and the players to give it a real good go.
168 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:01:35
169 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:42:30
"I would rather we got defeated"
"Although there a load of cocks on here who I am sure would love us to get beat just so they can have a good old whinge."
170 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:55:22
Breaking News...David Moyes now scouring Ebay for a new white flag after Kenny Dalgleish refused to give it back, he wants to keep it as a momento, Kenny you were supposed to be Davey's friend and hero!!!
Now everyone sing this to Queen's We Will Rock You
"Davey, you?re a blue, make a big noise, taking on the Premier League, gonna be a big man some day,
you let Kenny kick mud in your face, you big disgrace,
your tactics stink and we?ve got no pace?singing, we can?t, we can?t, sack you?
Victor you?re a young man, hard man, pouting on the pitch, gonna take on the world some day, you?re lying on your face, you big disgrace, waving your arms all over the place, we will, we will, mock you?
Blue Bill you?re an old poor man, pleading with your lies ain?t gonna make us the best some day, you got egg on your face, you big disgrace, the blue union better put you back in your place?we don?t, we don?t, like you!!!!
Back in the real world, I haven't forgotten Tuesday and i won't for a long time.
Calling Joe Royle, calling Howard Kendall, calling Peter Reid, calling all legends of the Toffees, we have a man seriously out of his depth in charge, we might just need you to make a one off glorious return, we can offer the possibility of playing our loveable cousin's from across the park at Wembley, our current manager has gone into hiding, obviously sh1tting his pants at the thought of playing Liverpool again.
Open your eyes Davey, closing them won' t make Kenny and his odious shower of sh1te go away you know!!! You're supposed to be a big boy now!!!!
I can hardly bloody wait.
172 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:12:02
I usually agree with Eugene actually, but as a first I don't. He says when someone says "I could kill you" at the match, it's not meant... Well for a split second today, I was watching Suarez dive and feign injury again, and actually just fucking cheat his way through the game... and to see what the lad at Bolton is going through, it made my blood boil.
Eugene maybe right after all..
173 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:12:35
What annoys me is people saying they hope we get knocked out against Sunderland because we'll drop 6 players against Liverpool again.
What I won't do is criticize him for doing things he hasn't done.
There was about 25 posts on one thread the other day, slagging Moyes off because he was going to drop Johnny H for Jags. It hadn't even happened but that didn't stop the abuse he was getting.
174 Posted 18/03/2012 at 19:52:26
For me, I hope Everton go through to the final and win it, as well as finish as high as possible in the league. I don't need losses to justify my contempt for Moyes. He's already shown enough contempt for us as fans for me to say that. For me, the only way this season could end happily for me is if we win the cup and he walks/gets sacked the next morning.
However, I just don't trust him as a manager to get through this tough phase. If we beat Sunderland, we'll be doing very well. If we beat the Shite at Wembley, we'll be doing extremely well, and if we win the final, we'll be doing excellent. I just don't see Moyes getting it right that many times.
In 09 we had a lucky draw in the cup 1/4 finals, and got lucky again when SAF decided either we weren't good enough, or the cup didn't matter to him, and we only just scraped through. Then in the final, what we saw was the truest Moyes you'll ever see in management.
176 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:21:09
His capitulation in the the derby, followed by a less-than-impressive performance in the quarterfinal, and a replay causing extra games that the manager clearly has trouble handling. Is it honestly any wonder that some Evertonians are going to be less-than-optimistic about the prospect of going to a Wembley gunfight armed with a handful of bluntly unmotivated knives?
177 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:03:11
I have watched us lose two semi finals and three cup finals against Liverpool. They were very unpleasant experiences but life continued, the world did not end. Should we win the replay we can beat Liverpool IF the manager, players and supporters believe so.
178 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:14:35
It is our destiny.
Bring on Sunderland 3-1.
179 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:32:01
180 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:30:27
Just watched the shite again and do you know what they are SHITE.
This manager has a lot to answer for and if I need to explain myself fuck off........
183 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:41:13
"In 09 we had a lucky draw in the cup 1/4 finals, and got lucky again when SAF decided either we weren't good enough, or the cup didn't matter to him, and we only just scraped through. Then in the final, what we saw was the truest Moyes you'll ever see in management."
Are you seriously suggesting that the cup run of 09 was lucky? Do you remember the sides we played just to get to the final and that Chelsea were an awsome side with loads of mega bucks players. That just seems to be a very deluded version of events.
Mark Riding 179
184 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:44:43
(imagine a group of out of tune misfits post audition) shouting:-
"we wannit soooooo badly...... we really reaaaalllllllyyyyy wannit!"
(one of the judges)
"but you're shit....you came to the liverpool audition last month and we told you then, in fact we kicked your arse out you were so bad"
" we know but.....we wannit soooooo badly...... we really reaaaalllllllyyyyy wannit!"
Here's the song anyway:
"we're on the march and Moyes is barmy
his teamsheet is a mystery
he doesn't know which way is up?
and the tea leaves in his cup?
say his everton they will surely make you scream"
Repeat with loads of wishing .......
185 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:43:42
186 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:56:09
If we beat Sunderland and lose to the RS then he should the decent thing and resign.....
If we beat the RS at Wembley (when it really counts) then I'd give him 10 more years!
187 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:55:17
Anyway not really looking forward to Liverpool because, on present away form and motivational factors, we are likely to go out against anyone with confidence. The players are lacking in belief and we are missing a midfielder; remember Arteta was sold, well his replacement is injured at the moment. It is clearly the issue at the moment: the midfield is weak.
188 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:08:31
That weekend causes all sorts of problems, the Saturday is the Grand National, so Merseyside Police may well want us, if we get there and the RS to play on the Sunday.
The Sunday is the anniversary of Hillsborough, can you imagine playing them on that particular day?
189 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:07:41
190 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:20:57
191 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:26:57
I acknowledge we did very well getting there, beating the Shite over two legs and a very good Aston Vila side quite comprehensively.
The money call will always crop up when considering the final, except that we managed to get the greatest EVER start to that match, before basically shutting up shop for 90 minutes. Moyes bottled that one, and, as I said, I don't trust him not to bottle it again, should we get the chance.
193 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:53:02
This year the draw has been very kind to us and if any of you have actually watched the shite lately, you will realize just how shite they are. They are by far the "easiest" opposition of the teams remaining.
Regarding Sunderland, you almost knew we'd cock it up after the Derby catastrophe. If anything has been predictable in the last weeks, it has been that we struggle when the onus is on us to win (Blackburn, Wigan, QPR, Sunderland). We clearly do a lot better when the expectation is on the other team (Chelsea or Spurs for example). A Moyes teams knows how to park the bus and knick a goal here and there, but not how to play weaker oppositon off the field. I think we have a 50/50 chance at the Stadium of Light.
194 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:36:00
195 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:43:18
Hopefully he can then realise that making the same mistakes over and over is just plain madness and suddenly relaese our players to become the world beaters we all want them to be!!!!
196 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:17:51
We are fully capable of going up there and doing the business. All of us know that, including the fatalists. All the speculation, hopes, doubts, fears seem to be, overtly or otherwise, coagulating (now there's a word) around the manager: can he pick the right team? Will he get his tactics right? Can he motivate them? What have his recent decisions said about his opinion of his squad and, more to the point, what do the players think it says?
Personally, i think the answer to the last two questions will decide things, whatever any of us, individually or collectively, might think.
I suspect that he will put out the strongest he can against Arsenal, but that we can expect to see changes at Swansea (and if so what about a run out for Ross Barkley?)
My overriding concern about a manager whose committment, honesty and decency I have always admired and respected is that caution and a safety-first, play the percentages mentality have become too engrained through, I believe, the constant failure of the board to enable him to at least try to take the next big step.
We can all point to this, point to that, and I think he screwed up big time last week.
I cannot put into words how much I fundamentally want this man to succeed - but in a way that accords with the traditions that I am old enough and perhaps blinkered enough to see as our birthright as Blues. Perhaps that's the problem. Perhaps I'm the problem.
Can we, and he, see of the Mackems? Of course. And I'm quietly confident we will. I can't hold with any view that it would be better not to because....Of course I can understand it: God knows I've witnessed enough loaded dice when it comes to them and I include Toshack climbing all over Andy Rankin in '71.
But if justice never had its day none of us would be here. Maybe, just maybe...
But Sunderland first. Please Davey, no more safety first. This might be our time. Certainly it is yours. Do not let us, or yourself, down.
197 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:45:25
The bench was fairly non descript due to injuries but of those on it; Nash, Jacobsen, Castillo, Rodwell, Gosling, Vaughan and Baxter it was Jacobsen, Gosling and Vaughan that came on, the last two after we were done and buried and dont forget the disallowed goal that hit the crossbar and crossed the line but wasn't given.
198 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:55:01
202 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:53:39
203 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:46:29
I watched that today with my mate who's a Red and what he said to me was "Why are you bothered about playing them? They're fucking awful." And do you know what? He's right. If that coward can go into the game with a positive mindset, I truly believe we can take them.
The only worry is his record against them; that aside, they are truly fucking ordinary. I'd be more worried about about facing Chelsea, given their upturn in form. So come on, boys, stay positive... because it'll be nothing like Tuesday's performance, believe me.
206 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:57:03
Hard to believe the vitriolic, poisonous bile over a potential FA cup semi-final derby game. Sure I get frustrated by Moyes and his tactics and his team selection. I even get angry with Everton players who are paid megabucks unable to do the basics like run into space or make a simple pass.
But I am absolutely bewildered by anyone who isn't in the least bit excited by the potential of beating Sunderland and facing Liverpool in a semi final to reach the FA cup final!
And for those who question whether our expectations have dropped to and all time low.
Back in 1968 I expected us to beat WBA in the FA Cup Final but Jeff Astle burst that bubble for me. Throughout the eighties my expectation was to win trophies. Fast forward to the nineties, I expected us to avoid relegation. Now I expect us to get into Europe and maybe even get to a final and win a domestic trophy.
Perhaps at 5pm on the 12th May, we will have our day in the sun and lift the first Budweiser FA Cup.
Forgive me if I dare to dream!
208 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:44:32
The negativity on here, a dont know why or where it comes from.
Could it possibly be... the worst owner in Everton's history coupled with the most out-of-his-depth manager since Walker, being at the club for the last 10 shit years.... Just a thought.
If people on here really think that Moyes is capable of beating Sunderland away, then toddling off to Wembley to beat King Kenny and the Dark side on the weekend of the anniversary of Hilsboro, then beating Chelski or Spurs in the final??
Get a fucking grip... it aint gonna happen, our owners are shit, Moyes is shit, and were shit because of it.
Merseyside police have just reasured people on Merseyside, that the loud thud heard at 6:05pm tonight wasn't in fact an explosion, it was just Moyes's arse hitting the floor.........
209 Posted 18/03/2012 at 22:09:11
"You're right, James. There was no way we could ever have beaten Chelsea. Which is why I guess we never do! "
Are you just trying to be argumentative? I know its not exactly busy tonight, but really!! We do beat them, just not regularly. I was there last year at Stamford Bridge when Phil Neville slotted the winner, so were thousands of blues. Don't make such daft statements.
212 Posted 18/03/2012 at 22:15:20
Sunderland came out blazing yesterday despite missing Sessignon, Richardson and Cattermole... and they will be back for the replay. Moyes will play 4-5-1 again but I think we have blown it after having 19 attempts at goal and only scoring one. Some of the finishing was awful.
Yes, it is the Cup and anything can happen but it would have been nice to be already set to play Redshite which could really make something of the season despite all the other disappointments.
213 Posted 18/03/2012 at 22:22:56
Sam Fitzsimmons, please don't mistake my contempt for Moyes for depression over these prospects. I really hope we do get that semi-final against the Shite, and I think we will beat Sunderland in the replay. I just don't think Moyes thinks the same.
219 Posted 18/03/2012 at 23:03:02
I would generally agree. We do have a bit of a negative disposition when it comes to playing Liverpool.
However, they were there for the taking on Tuesday. We were on a decent winning streak and they were on a very poor run.
Many Liverpudlians I know were very nervous going into that game and some called me before the kick off getting their excuses in ahead of what they believed was to be a beating.
Then our team is announced and their confidence visibly grew. I had the misfortune of watching the game with a few Reds!
When we do have the upper hand we blow it. This time it was squarely down to Moyes.
221 Posted 18/03/2012 at 21:46:03
We could easily have beaten Sunderland, quite simply Mignolet was good.
We're more than capable of beating them at their place.
222 Posted 18/03/2012 at 23:12:27
Jim Carrey and Greg Braden describe some of the Law of Attraction stuff here (ignore the first 3 minutes or so):
224 Posted 18/03/2012 at 23:53:53
We could have won but we didn't. A keeper being 'good' is no valid reason for not winning a game; being world class might be. We simply didn't do enough. The double save aside, we created very few clear cut chances.
It isn't negative to point out faults and problems within the side. What are people meant to do? Ignore the fact that we have very little creativity? Ignore the fact that we've been toothless in front of goal for around 2 years now.
Putting a positive spin on things doesn't make us play better and doesn't hide the fact that our squad just simply isn't good enough.
228 Posted 19/03/2012 at 00:24:49
If we can beat Sunderland then beat Liverpool, Moyes will be forgiven by me and hopefully everybody else, so let's all be positive and get behind the travelling 7,000 supporters going to the Northeast!
230 Posted 19/03/2012 at 00:31:55
Yes, that's right: Walter "bottom six" Smith was a far better mangager than Moyes during his time at Everton. He often bettered Moyes's top 6 finishes... oh no, hang about, he constantly had us in the bottom 6.
The only other mangers we had since Mike Walker were Big Joe who won the cup, so that gives him the edge over Moyes, and Kendall who avoided relegation on the final day thanks to a 1-1 draw against Coventry in a game where we couldn't even win and had to rely on other results. But still, despite Walter's and Howard's league positions compared to Moyes's, they were clearly far more "in their depth" than he ever has been.
233 Posted 19/03/2012 at 01:14:57
Maybe you can remind everyone when it was higher???
Apart from the blip in '95 we've been pretty dire since around 1990.
236 Posted 19/03/2012 at 01:27:03
P 5, W 1, D 1, L3, GF 5, GA 9
Our only win 1906; time for another win, if we beat Sunderland.
237 Posted 19/03/2012 at 01:44:31
Moyes might be saying in public that he has "no regrets" about the Anfield derby but I bet inside he is kicking himself.
The fates have intervened and he now has a chance to rectify Tuesday night's debacle.
The players themselves will be galvanised and there should be no repeat of the lethargic first 20 minutes from yesterday.
I now fancy we will win through the replay and have the chance to restore the pride of EFC which was so ignominously battered in midweek.
239 Posted 19/03/2012 at 02:41:46
240 Posted 19/03/2012 at 02:41:51
But unfortunately I am afraid that's where the fantasies will stay... in our dreams. So why do I say that am I not an Evertonian ... of course I am, but an Evertonian of 58 years standing who is sick and fed up with being fed a constant diet of unmotivated, tactically inept DROSS ? with the occasional good result thrown in.
I have lost all trust in Dire Dour Davey and believe he just does not have it ? he is a BOTTLER ? a small, stubborn, dour man out of his depth in a job just too big for him.
242 Posted 19/03/2012 at 03:18:05
So tell us Paul how that works? ? What divine intervention all these 'good vibes' is going to do... will it make everything in the garden 'Hunky Dory' if we all get together and praise the non-performing Tactically Inept Defensive minded non-motivating Manager and his non-performing players?
Sometimes I really do doubt the rationality of the Moyesophiles. They just can't believe the evidence of their own eyes and live in some 'dewey eyed' fantasy world where everything turns out OK and we all live happily ever after if we just never criticise.
251 Posted 18/03/2012 at 20:40:00
253 Posted 19/03/2012 at 07:10:49
255 Posted 19/03/2012 at 07:26:44
And the got-nothing-of-any-sense-to-say 'brigade' never goes away.
"We could have.." !?
(see 'we might..' and 'if..').
Wishful thinking (like a kid hoping every day will be Christmas).
It appears that in your simple world, truth becomes negativity and therefore somehow invalid.
Ridiculous in the extreme.
(do you read negative posts with your eyes half-closed while making a BLURBLURBLUR noise?)
If you have a specific counter-point to an opinion, post it.
If you don't, better saying nothing than something stupid.
And we're not MORE than capable, we're capable - thanks for stating the blindingly obvious.
A bit like saying 'we could win..OR get beat'.
258 Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:20:35
We've now got to play them again with those factors reversed so why should we be filled with confidence? Mignolet make a great double save but, in a second half where we dominated possession, how many other times did we test him? It will, by definition, be a different game at the Stadium of Light.
260 Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:27:08
Similarly, it remains pure conjecture were Moyes to be replaced with Lambert or Rodgers, if the flowing football they would certainly introduce would be as effective in points production as under the present incumbent.
One thing is for certain, I bet we`d find just as much to argue about!
261 Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:42:59
267 Posted 19/03/2012 at 08:31:04
I'm not saying we can't, or won't, win the replay. What I'm saying is my belief that we will compared to this time last week has taken a real knock after a humiliating defeat and a draw where we didn't have the quality to finish the game off at home. With two tough games in the space of a week in the run up to the replay why should I be brimming with optimism?
270 Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:29:16
We just need to hope that Sunderland aren't good enough to score in the first 88 minutes, and too tired to defend for the remaining 2 plus stoppage.
272 Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:18:11
From what I have witnessed in recent games, Osman's pass to Jelavic against Spurs aside, we are crying out for something different to come from midfield.
274 Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:32:07
Did I miss the appointment of Pep Guardiola??
Since last Tuesday, I've given up on the possibility of us "tearing a new one" in the RS in my lifetime! But 1-0 will do.
276 Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:40:27
"1986 ? how we lost, I will never know"
I do: Bobby Mimms.
280 Posted 19/03/2012 at 10:08:27
He cannot lift teams for cup games, he is too negative and he is too defensively minded. Very over-rated in a league full of over-rated managers bar maybe two.
284 Posted 19/03/2012 at 10:49:14
The opportunity to stop Liverpool getting to another final should in itself motivate all who wear the blue shirt and get a result against O'Neill's men. To see Gerrard's & Carragher's faces after being beaten by us in the semi-final would be like winning the competition to me.
It's good to dream, people.
285 Posted 19/03/2012 at 09:35:55
Dropping Jonny H was, simply, madness. Resting Cahill against the one team he always gives a good performance, even on his current poor run and replacing him with Vic was also a very poor decision. He then confounded this by playing players out of position. All this against our local rivals, who were on a very bad run and were beatable.
His gamble being that we would have a better chance of winning the cup tie. Well it all backfired. As far as I view it, if we had put our strongest (ie, fittest) team on Tuesday and perhaps achieved a battling draw, then I think we would have won on Saturday.
However, we got our arses spanked in the derby and, although a bit unlucky with the penalty shouts, hitting the bar etc, only drew the cup tie against a Sunderland team missing their two best players, both of whom will be back for the replay.
It?s not being negative thinking that we?ve missed our main chance. It?s not being negative thinking that even if we do beat Sunderland; we will have a huge mountain to climb facing a Liverpool team that we haven?t beaten away from Goodison Park since 1999.
Our players were dreadful for the first 20 minutes on Saturday, in my opinion a direct consequence of the humiliation on Tuesday and the added pressure imposed by Moyes?s masterplan.
The manager sets the mood for the whole team. Looking at how the likes of Ozzie, Fellaini and Rodwell play at times, it is a confidence thing, and I don?t think Moyes has the ability to instil confidence into them. They play in fear too often.
We can be as negative as we want and it won?t affect the team?s performance. Moyes?s negativity, however, is another thing. Can we trust him to work our players up into a frenzy of pride and passion for the shirt? Or will he send them out with ?Let?s keep it tight and try and nick it" attitude?
If he does the latter then I, personally, will fear the worst, as this tactic has repeatedly failed to work against the ?Sky 4? away from Goodison Park in the ten years he?s been at the club.
I would love it if Moyes would grow some and say something along the lines ?Yes, it?s a gunfight and we only have a blunt knife. We won?t be taking it though as we won?t need it, we?ll take ?em apart with our bare hands.? Can anyone see that though?
286 Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:10:46
287 Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:18:23
- lose against the Shite to lull them into a false sense of security;
- secure a replay against an easy-to-beat Sunderland in order to bring in much needed revenue;
- spank the Shite in the semis.
Would anyone like a pint of what I've been drinking?
288 Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:17:46
There's a difference to being positive and being realistic. I read somewhere in a previous thread "we're not a big club anymore but a club with with a big history!" ? possibly the truest thing I've read on this site; realise this and things don't hurt so much!!
290 Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:15:12
We were unlucky against Sunderland, we were denied a stonewall penalty, had nearly all the possession and shot on goal and their keeper made a great double save. We lack a little creativity up front against stubborn teams... this is no newsflash.
But guess what...w e're still in the cup and we're 10th in the league. Anyone would think we were Wolves!!
291 Posted 19/03/2012 at 11:45:30
After we lose comprehensively, he says we can concentrate on a top ten finish.
292 Posted 19/03/2012 at 10:44:58
294 Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:07:37
Do Bradford refuse to play on the anniversary of the fire at their ground, or Rangers on New Years Day in memory of the Ibrox disaster? No, they just get on with it.
295 Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:19:47
If we do manage to sneak a 1-0 against Sunderland, the shithouse Moyes will have us bottling it against the red-shite.
1-0, and try to hold what we have, pack the midfield, all back for corners, invite them on to us, make 3 defensive sub's.......
I am sick of the small club attitude, knife to a gunfight bollocks spouted form the Chairman down to the tea lady.
Grow some fucking bollocks, the lot of you.
296 Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:33:34
Steve, I am with you on this, Man U played on the anniversary of the Munich disaster too....
300 Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:13:20
We need to go to Sunderland and win with a derby match at Wembley as motivation (not forgetting Sunderland are shit). Then need to beat the RS at Wembley for guaranteed European football the following season.
The motivation to win these two games against quite average opposition should be enormous! Moyes shouldn't need to say a word. For these reasons, I think we'll roll Sunderland (and the shite) over.
Now... over to the players...
301 Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:49:27
What a fucking idiot! It only proves ? yet again ? how far out of touch these so-called reporters are. Had he bothered to get off his arse and out of the freebie area on Tuesday night, he would have written "almost every"...
What a joke!
305 Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:57:57
Get Coleman in for a few sessions on how to actually shoot and get Drenthe some stabilizers. Get a few pans of scouse down Ossie's neck and keep reminding Heitinga to wave his hand when Moyes thinks about bringing Jags on.
306 Posted 19/03/2012 at 12:57:46
308 Posted 19/03/2012 at 13:01:22
As an earlier poster said, he's got to try something different in midfield. Hopefully Gibson will be fit, so it'll be interesting to see if Moyes plunges him right back in. Gibbo gives us something different in that he allows Fellaini more scope to get forward ? who, by the way, I thought was poor on Saturday.
Let's just hope the morbid bastard doesn't sacrifice any more league games because, after all, winning breeds confidence.
313 Posted 19/03/2012 at 13:34:48
324 Posted 19/03/2012 at 14:34:57
331 Posted 19/03/2012 at 15:10:21
343 Posted 19/03/2012 at 16:50:01
They beat a half fit side that hadn't played together for a long, long time.
They are nothing special at all and if we play them Moyes will have to 'go for it' because he's backed himself into a corner by putting that team out. Wembley would suit us over them IMO as we've got the players to play a more expansive game.
Yet another shithouse display would see people call for his head.
353 Posted 19/03/2012 at 17:31:58
It's like this - If we win this replay in the north east we give ourselves a chance of beating our excellent neighbors at a neutral venue where anything could happen - If we lose the replay, that opportunity goes begging and someone else has a shot at reaching British footballs showpiece event. I can't add to some members that they genuinely hope we are eliminated in this replay, fucking nonsense really, OK, there could be an another embarrassment or serious loss against Liverpool, but we'll never know unless we can first get past the Sunderland replay and give ourselves a chance.
I'm thinking I'd rather have them at the semi-final stage rather than the Final itself, had some painful memories of past Final encounters with the shite and a third time (defeat) in a little over 25 years would not be a pleasant experience. IF they were to beat us of course. Not being pessimistic but I'd rather have a semi-final loss against those than the actual Final itself, it would be easier to take I just feel, but then again obviously if we were to beat them at either stage it would be outstanding, particularly the Final, but I was thinking just then of the pitfalls of losing, maybe Tuesday night is still too fresh in the memory.
Thing is though, Liverpool are no world class opposition, any side that takes 120 minutes and spot kicks to win a (meaningless, trivial) trophy against second division opposition can't be a Brazil of 1970 for instance. And Yes, they blow hot and cold in the league too. The initial reaction by some that Dalglish was some kind of club savior seems to have washed away. Say what you like, but I feel there is every chance Toffees can beat the shite in the semi-final. But first things first and the small matter of a sixth round replay coming up on the rails before anything else. I'm focusing perhaps on this game that is of paramount importance with regards to what's left of our season, and there's no way in hell I would want to see Everton go out that night, if only to avoid maybe another embarrassment against those beauts at the last four stage. And what if we can actually beat them? You know it's more than possible. Anything can happen on the day.
If we can't win the replay (or some don't want to) , then we'll never know -
358 Posted 19/03/2012 at 18:12:53
When I said 'out of his depth' like Walker, it was in reference to a small time manager at a big club... out of his depth.
I never mentioned Walter, Joe or Howard? Them three managers achieved quite a bit of silverware on their travels, all with big club experience. The Dour Davey has done neither and for my money never will.
Those three never got ten years between them, and The Inept One is about to negotiate his third 5-year plan?
God help us, we have Two unmovables and they're destroying us... FFS.
360 Posted 19/03/2012 at 18:33:44
362 Posted 19/03/2012 at 18:26:56
I'm a fair believer that Moyes has become stale now and seriously believe that Everton Football Club will not win a trophy so long as Moyes is manager, therefore I'm not really excited about the prospect of having the dull Scotsman in charge for another five years. No, I really don't feel comfortable with that.
I've nothing against Moyes as a human being, I'm sure he's a nice enough individual, but as manager of this club just wish sometimes he would perhaps disappear and never be seen around Goodison again. Maybe I'm too hard on Mr Moyes sometimes, but it's merely how I feel about it right now. The man does himself no favors sometimes.
367 Posted 19/03/2012 at 19:16:23
Of course we could do worse but for me his myopic defensive approach and 'little club' outlook are both out of time and out of order. I just cannot contemplate another five years of this shit ?even at 20% less cost to our broken club. And don`t start me on 'nodding dog' Round!
368 Posted 19/03/2012 at 19:28:37
We've nearly come away with the points at Arsenal, Chelsea and United but we've never come close at Anfield. He's won a grand total of 4 derby games in 10 years, 1 of those was against 10 men. He's never understood the derby and what it means to us to beat those devils from across the park.
He has caused many an Evertonian misery, having to go into work or school on the back of a horrific defeat. He always bottles it every year, the players don't have any belief that they can beat Liverpool either. Liverpool have won 6 times at GP during his tenure, Moyes will always be very popular among Liverpool fans ? after Dalglish, he's their favourite manager.
384 Posted 19/03/2012 at 21:37:03
I said they were both destroying us!!!
Let's see if your still laughing when he signs his fourth five-year plan????
BTW... for your info... TW... changed Robert to Robby...
Anyway, Nick, you keep laughing, and I'll keep moaning about the shite football we've had to endure under your hero. :)
402 Posted 20/03/2012 at 00:28:14
Your call: Robert, Rob, Robby, Robbie, Bob, Bobbie, Dobbie... Which one d'ya want?
405 Posted 20/03/2012 at 01:45:27
No Sam, I see it as cause and effect. Moyes' perceived negative approach results in those same people having a negative outlook towards the club under his management.
413 Posted 20/03/2012 at 06:55:32
Robby's fine, in fact any of the above suits me.
I have been called a lot worse.
You could even use my log in name when i am moaning about Uncle Bill... hehe:)
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