Everton News, Season 2011-12
Swansea City vs Everton
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With the momentum of their good run of results since mid-January stalling, Everton face a tricky-looking trip to Swansea City as they seek a morale-boosting win ahead of the all-important FA Cup quarter-final replay at Sunderland.
The Swans only returned to the top flight at the beginning of the season but sit in eighth place with eight games of the Premier League season to go with a squad that cost a fraction of the teams around them.
Not only have they thus far out-performed a clutch of clubs who would have expected to be well above them at ths stage of the season — and that would include Everton, of course — but they have done it with style, sticking by an attractive passing game that has started to reap dividends away from the Liberty Stadium after initially struggling on the road.
Their home form has been particularly impressive, though. They've only been beaten in Swansea twice this season — to fellow new-boys Norwich City and Champions Manchester United — and their last scalp was Manchester City whom they bested by a goal to nil two weeks ago.
So David Moyes will not be taking this first visit to south Wales lightly, particularly given his team's struggles in front of goal recently. The Blues have scored just once in their last three matches in all competitions and continue to have problems creating enough chances.
Moyes's options could be bolstered by the return of Darron Gibson, though, after a month out with a knee injury. The Irishman returned to full training at the beginning of the week and could line up alongside Marouane Fellaini in central midfield.
And given the number of changes the manager rang for the Merseyside derby 10 days ago, there could more shuffling of the pack in other areas of the pitch, with Phil Neville, Magaye Gueye, Victor Anichebe and Denis Stracqualursi possible options depending on how many of his regulars Moyes feels he should rest.
These two sides have only met 14 times before but Swansea have never beaten Everton and, with the gap to Liverpool in 7th standing at just five points, it would be disappointing if the Blues succumbed to a first defeat to the Swans this weekend.
In truth, a draw with no disclipinary or injury issues would be a perfectly satisfactory outcome with the quarter-final replay in mind.
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Do you think that or want that Kevin?
Swansea will play all the football, we will keep it tight and try to nick one. They will score around 30-minute mark, game over. We've no Plan B.
Match report done and dusted...
Match report done and dusted...
If Swansea say beat us by 4 or more, would Moyes resign?
If they beat us 10, would Davey resign?
What sort of humiliation will make this guy step down?
If they beat us 10, would Davey resign?
What sort of humiliation will make this guy step down?
For fuck's sake, keep Fellaini in the position that he starts the match and shuffle yer fucking strikers if need be.
Tony,
I'll bet you a tenner it doesn't go like that.
Haven't you got a bird you can moan to?
I'll bet you a tenner it doesn't go like that.
Haven't you got a bird you can moan to?
I agree with Tony on this and will add that, in his post-match interview, our media-adored manager will fall back on his well used litany of excuses that ranges from the state of the pitch, inclement weather, poor refereeing, lady luck and divine intervention... That is if he dares show his face to the camera.
I would rather he left Big Dunc in charge for this game while he took himself and Round to spy on Sunderland. I never want to suffer defeat yet I have a horrible premonition that the Taffees will wipe the floor with the Toffees.
I would rather he left Big Dunc in charge for this game while he took himself and Round to spy on Sunderland. I never want to suffer defeat yet I have a horrible premonition that the Taffees will wipe the floor with the Toffees.
Dick,
If we go out and twat them will Tony come back on and say we played well?
Nah, He'll just wait until we lose a game then come on and whinge.
That's why his opinions carry so little weight.
If we go out and twat them will Tony come back on and say we played well?
Nah, He'll just wait until we lose a game then come on and whinge.
That's why his opinions carry so little weight.
Ste Kenny, when we win, we don't play well, so how can I?
Dick Fearon
If you were to call any Swansea fan by the term Taffee as you did in your post 050 he would probably twat you one. That would possibly be the biggest insult you could give them as it would apply to their arch rivals Cardiff, which is situated on three rivers, the "Taff" being one.
They might wipe the floor with us, but if you want to see a hammering then just try calling them "Taffee" on Saturday.
If you were to call any Swansea fan by the term Taffee as you did in your post 050 he would probably twat you one. That would possibly be the biggest insult you could give them as it would apply to their arch rivals Cardiff, which is situated on three rivers, the "Taff" being one.
They might wipe the floor with us, but if you want to see a hammering then just try calling them "Taffee" on Saturday.
A draw helps no-one really.
I hope this is one of those games when the lads surprise us and pull a win out of the bag. I would like to see Gibson playing but it is a big ask after his layoff. I would play Drenthe behind Jelavić up front to add some potency to our attack as I am sure it will need to be a "backs to the wall" performance and on-the-break opportunities. Fingers crossed that we are professional and show some quality when it's needed and put the smiles back on our faces.
I hope this is one of those games when the lads surprise us and pull a win out of the bag. I would like to see Gibson playing but it is a big ask after his layoff. I would play Drenthe behind Jelavić up front to add some potency to our attack as I am sure it will need to be a "backs to the wall" performance and on-the-break opportunities. Fingers crossed that we are professional and show some quality when it's needed and put the smiles back on our faces.
Stephen #051, I honestly would like to see us twat them. But since when have we twatted anyone under this twat?
Dean, #055, OMG! Yakki Dar and all that. My deepest apologies to world wide Taffs.
Dean, #055, OMG! Yakki Dar and all that. My deepest apologies to world wide Taffs.
I must admit I sort of hope we get beat as, with Moyes, we are destined to 5 more years of mediocrity... which is fine if that's what you believe Evertonians should accept.
You sort of hope we get beat?
What will that achieve?
A little bit more confidence for the Sunderland game?
Pathetic comment.
What will that achieve?
A little bit more confidence for the Sunderland game?
Pathetic comment.
Why is it pathetic? We won't win the cup anyway, don't delude yourself. Football is about winners and Moyes hasn't managed it in 10 years and looks no closer than he did when he first took over.
Get real for once.
Get real for once.
It is pathetic Kevin, you have just said you pretty much want us to get beat.
Problem is that Marshy may actually be right for once.
Problem is that Marshy may actually be right for once.
So Kevin (066) ? Moyes is a failure because we didn't win the league?
Kevin (066) ? So embarrassingly bad, I'll just leave it at: ownership is our problem. Moyes or any other manager.
Kenwright OUT!!!
Kenwright OUT!!!
Today will be a verry difficult game for Everton and I believe that they'll do well to draw. A win would be a very good result for us. Swansea are a better side than us at the moment painful though it is to say. Moyes may do something really stupid with the Sunderland game in mind and for me that will increase the chances of us waking up Wednesday after 2 defeats with our season well and truly over. In some ways I'd like to see what Moyes would do with no league and cup pressures regarding giving young players a run out. The end game is getting ever closer for EFC and a couple of defeats on the row now and a bad run of results to the end of the season could see the club implode and the vociferous minority getting their wishes. Not in the way they want of course though.
Tony Marsh #053. You got it in one, Tony, and that's what the Moyesophiles just don't get. Us 'old time' Evertonians want Everton to win, of course, but we want them to win well, not luckily or by flukes.
One of the best games I ever remember seeing was a 0 - 0 draw against Ipswich at Goodison back when they were playing well. Yes, a draw but not a Dour Davey Moyes Defensive Dross draw but a full-blooded, well-fought draw that left the crowd exhilarated and entertained.
So tell us ? Moyes acolytes ? when was the last time a Defensive Tactically Inept Dour Davey team left you feeling like that???
One of the best games I ever remember seeing was a 0 - 0 draw against Ipswich at Goodison back when they were playing well. Yes, a draw but not a Dour Davey Moyes Defensive Dross draw but a full-blooded, well-fought draw that left the crowd exhilarated and entertained.
So tell us ? Moyes acolytes ? when was the last time a Defensive Tactically Inept Dour Davey team left you feeling like that???
Peter
I'm not a Moyes acolyte but how about when we beat City, Chelsea and Spurs? Also, take off the rose tinted glasses, the EPL produces very few exciting matches especially between the lower teams as the penalty for failure is high and fear football is the norm.
I'm not a Moyes acolyte but how about when we beat City, Chelsea and Spurs? Also, take off the rose tinted glasses, the EPL produces very few exciting matches especially between the lower teams as the penalty for failure is high and fear football is the norm.
Peter - us "old time Evertonian"s can remember more mediocre crap over the decades as much as times we have "won well." If ya know ya history and all that is very stirring but when I recall Mick Lyons up front, Mike Walker, Billy Bingham Walster Smith etc - I then have to recognise another part of our history. To Moyes needs comparing with those years of dross as much as the 1980's team. Do that and he is par for the course. Sad but reality
And terms like "Moyesophiles" and "Moyes acolytes" contribute fuck all to debate, just try and stir up a you-and-us tribal split between fans. Personally I think your mentor Tony Marsh wallows in his infamy and is stuck in that rut now. Wonder should we call you and others Marsholites ? No. That would be silly
Spot on Ged, as an old timer I've seen far worse Everton sides and performances than the present.
It seems the Moyes acolytes just don't know when they are beat and seem to think that Dross is all we are entitled to expect... hey Ged?
You still don't get it, do you, Ged? It's not the result that counts as much as the way the result is achieved. It seems that you, like so may others, are satisfied with settling with playing dross and settling for a draw. We know Davey is ? he's told us so.
Moyes sabotaged our season by throwing the derby. We have gone from possibly finishing above Liverpool and a semi final place 2 weeks ago to mid table mediocrity and a must win at Sunderland to prolong our season for another month.
And he won't even admit to the possibility of having made a mistake!
Don't know if I'll bother getting up at 2am to watch the game.
And he won't even admit to the possibility of having made a mistake!
Don't know if I'll bother getting up at 2am to watch the game.
Don't Keith, we won't miss you.
He has come out moaning about starting the last three games slow,I wonder why Davey? He will never admit why though.
Glad Gibson is back, but you know what that means,
Osman wide and an excuse to drop Drenthe when Osman does not deserve a subs shirt after the piss poor showing in the last two games, no wonder there have been alleged bust ups, every week he comes out having digs at the lad,yet says fuck all about the likes of our goalie who can be blamed for a good few goals in the past few months.
Glad Gibson is back, but you know what that means,
Osman wide and an excuse to drop Drenthe when Osman does not deserve a subs shirt after the piss poor showing in the last two games, no wonder there have been alleged bust ups, every week he comes out having digs at the lad,yet says fuck all about the likes of our goalie who can be blamed for a good few goals in the past few months.
I'm certainly no 'old time Evertonian' but I have seen much worse teams than the present one wearing our colours.
However, I`m disappointed that the promise of the early New Year has not been maintained. I do think we shall start to see a more adventurous approach applied in our remaining games and my feeling of gloom dispelled by a rousing performance this afternoon.
However, I`m disappointed that the promise of the early New Year has not been maintained. I do think we shall start to see a more adventurous approach applied in our remaining games and my feeling of gloom dispelled by a rousing performance this afternoon.
Why hasn't it Doddy? Yep, we lost the last two league games, in shoddy fashion, but we've put ourselves within five points of Liverpool in 7th and still in the cup. A win today and its still on the boil.
We have nine games remaining with only Man Utd to cause problems on paper. Who knows what our last game against Newcastle will place us.
We have nine games remaining with only Man Utd to cause problems on paper. Who knows what our last game against Newcastle will place us.
It's not a matter of whether you will miss me, Nick. It's a matter of confidence and enthusiasm on my part but more importantly the teams.
M5 CLOSED due to accident. Not sure if it's on the way. and the M50 is closed for repairs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17497711
I suggest if you are going, leave now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17497711
I suggest if you are going, leave now.
Why hasn`t what, Nick! Don`t get your drift.
Dick,
I'd like us to twat every side we play. I'd also like to see the back of Moyes come the end of the season. I also agree the football can be dire too. Just winds me up hearing people give up before the game, that includes the manager.
I can't believe I'm on probably the most intelligent Everton fansite and there are calls for us to get stuffed. It's ridiculous.
I'd like us to twat every side we play. I'd also like to see the back of Moyes come the end of the season. I also agree the football can be dire too. Just winds me up hearing people give up before the game, that includes the manager.
I can't believe I'm on probably the most intelligent Everton fansite and there are calls for us to get stuffed. It's ridiculous.
The promise of the early new year Doddy. You wrote it!
Stephen #113, I have never hoped for us to lose but if we have have had a damn good go at it then it helps to hide the pain.
What Moyes did to us in the derby will never be forgot nor forgiven. It threw away any chance of making the Euro league has cost a million or two league placing cash and will probably result in a drop in season ticket sales. Most of all it was a betrayal of everything we stand for.
Our 'istry under the heading of 'Traitors and Cowards' will have a chapter just for Moyes.
What Moyes did to us in the derby will never be forgot nor forgiven. It threw away any chance of making the Euro league has cost a million or two league placing cash and will probably result in a drop in season ticket sales. Most of all it was a betrayal of everything we stand for.
Our 'istry under the heading of 'Traitors and Cowards' will have a chapter just for Moyes.
We'll win 3-0. There I said it.
James (069), what a stupid thing to say, the point is I want Moyes out and if it takes us losing the next 10 games then so be it. It's my opinion and I'm sure I am not alone on this. And then, when Moyes goes to a club without financial restraint, we'll see how good he is. Until then, his EFC record after 10 years stands at no Trophies and never won away at the RS MU Chelski and Arsenal... not bad for £3.5m a year.
His record stands as the highest average placing for any team outside those with the CL money.
If you are happy with that then fine, me I personally remember the days when average was bad. If John Moores was alive today he'd have been sacked on Facebook after last week.
Martin Mason/Ged Simpson... hear, hear!!
We'd all like more flair football but there hasn't been a team in the league who've been successful in trying this, without the big bucks to back it up. Oddly Swansea are starting to look like the exception but it's daft to judge them on the basis of little more than half a season.
Moyes makes mistakes, Anfield probably the biggest of them, but he knows how to get his team working over a season, better than anyone.
Football is now about the haves and the have-nots. I hope he's here when the money finally comes in, he deserves a crack.
We'd all like more flair football but there hasn't been a team in the league who've been successful in trying this, without the big bucks to back it up. Oddly Swansea are starting to look like the exception but it's daft to judge them on the basis of little more than half a season.
Moyes makes mistakes, Anfield probably the biggest of them, but he knows how to get his team working over a season, better than anyone.
Football is now about the haves and the have-nots. I hope he's here when the money finally comes in, he deserves a crack.
Michael, 3-0? I hope not!!! .... just done 1-3. and Jelly to score first @ 135-1.
Whilst I can't actually say I want us to get beat, the problem under Moyes is it hardly matters.
At least 3 teams are worse than us in the league ? job done!
Similar thoughts about the Sunderland game.
The FA semi final against "you know who" is an invitation for more humiliation.
The genius of Moyes to fold when the going gets tough has been a constant of his tenure; it's just his arrogance over the derby fiasco has shocked even his most ardent supporters.
At least 3 teams are worse than us in the league ? job done!
Similar thoughts about the Sunderland game.
The FA semi final against "you know who" is an invitation for more humiliation.
The genius of Moyes to fold when the going gets tough has been a constant of his tenure; it's just his arrogance over the derby fiasco has shocked even his most ardent supporters.
Barry I agree that was the last straw, if he actually knew what it meant to the fans I'm sure he would have thought twice but as he hasn't admitted he was wrong then that to me shows he doesn't care. I'll bet Big Dunc said something when he saw the lineup.
I can understand people stating that they "think" we will get beat and I can understand people having a right old moan after we have been beaten. But for anybody to say that they "hope" we get beat is a totally reprehensible.
Editors, why don't you create a wall of shame listing the miserable defeatists who openly state that they want us to lose a game. We can then decide to ignore any future comments from them.
Editors, why don't you create a wall of shame listing the miserable defeatists who openly state that they want us to lose a game. We can then decide to ignore any future comments from them.
Shaun, please explain then, if you want Moyes out (speaking for myself), how he will be sacked without him walking?
'Job done'.
When has Moyes ever targetted beating relegation as 'success'.
There are fair arguments against the way Moyes does things, but you shoot yourselves in the foot again by suggesting he has no Premier League ambition or that somehow he settles for mid-table mediocrity. Like Nick says, he has the best Premier League record of anyone outside of the money elite. Fact.
Simpsons, and angry mob comes to mind.
When has Moyes ever targetted beating relegation as 'success'.
There are fair arguments against the way Moyes does things, but you shoot yourselves in the foot again by suggesting he has no Premier League ambition or that somehow he settles for mid-table mediocrity. Like Nick says, he has the best Premier League record of anyone outside of the money elite. Fact.
Simpsons, and angry mob comes to mind.
Shaun the reverse could be argued.
IMO, the blind support of Moyes and his record is the most defeatist attitude there is.
IMO, the blind support of Moyes and his record is the most defeatist attitude there is.
John Ford
This season.
This season.
There are obvious Moyes supporters and detractors on here but as usual the ones that don't agree start the slagging off game. I don't want him to stay and though I didn't actually say 'I hope we lose' if that is what it takes to get rid, then so be it.
As I said before, if you are happy with another 5 years of the same old shite then it's your prerogative. Me, I would like to see a new face with new ideas that might get us away from the hoofball and negativity that we've had for the last few years.
As I said before, if you are happy with another 5 years of the same old shite then it's your prerogative. Me, I would like to see a new face with new ideas that might get us away from the hoofball and negativity that we've had for the last few years.
Are we really struggling to stay up? Does his impressive record in the league count for nothing? .....and its really only under threat because of virtually zero spending.
Above all Kevin, Everton FC are more important to me than Moyes. I was ready to string him up after the derby defeat, but to wish that we would lose a game to get the man sacked is beyond my understanding.
Shaun, I understand what you are saying but, without him walking, under what grounds would Kenwright sack him?
"I must admit I sort of hope we get beat." Christ almighty, Kevin, if that isn't saying that I hope we get beat, then I don't know what is.
John Ford
You seem to have contradicted yourself in that last post: Are we safe? Or are we under threat?
You seem to have contradicted yourself in that last post: Are we safe? Or are we under threat?
It is unbelievable that some would advocate us losing games in order to faciliate a managerial change. As commented, Moyes has an incredible Premier League record as per money spent and the transformation he has effected since he arrived is undeniably impressive (anyone remember our squad back then, or do you prefer to forget it?).
Statistically the strong probability is that our next manager will see us decline even more rapidly than we are at present, because most managers are not as successful as Moyes. If we lose 10 games on a trout Kevin and finished 17th, who do you think will come? And more importantly, how will they alter a squad with no creativity, and turn us into a footballing side without money? We are strongly defensively biased, which is why at the end of the season, we will be among the lowest scorers and the lowest conceders.
I for one, will take a pragmatical approach. We have no money and a poor squad; no manager we could afford will reform this team and take us back even to where we were 3 years ago. Liverpool have spent over £100 million in the last 14 months, and look like they will finish seventh in this league.
I'm not under any impression that Moyes is the best manager in this league, but I truly doubt we will replace him with someone who will achieve so much with so little. I would love to see myself proved wrong, but without a change financially, I believe the next manager will oversee our relegation, especially if he overhauls a tactically system which is shit to watch, but has been effective in terms of results.
Statistically the strong probability is that our next manager will see us decline even more rapidly than we are at present, because most managers are not as successful as Moyes. If we lose 10 games on a trout Kevin and finished 17th, who do you think will come? And more importantly, how will they alter a squad with no creativity, and turn us into a footballing side without money? We are strongly defensively biased, which is why at the end of the season, we will be among the lowest scorers and the lowest conceders.
I for one, will take a pragmatical approach. We have no money and a poor squad; no manager we could afford will reform this team and take us back even to where we were 3 years ago. Liverpool have spent over £100 million in the last 14 months, and look like they will finish seventh in this league.
I'm not under any impression that Moyes is the best manager in this league, but I truly doubt we will replace him with someone who will achieve so much with so little. I would love to see myself proved wrong, but without a change financially, I believe the next manager will oversee our relegation, especially if he overhauls a tactically system which is shit to watch, but has been effective in terms of results.
Jim, You state about the squad having no creativity, remind me again whose squad this is?
As I stated before, if you are happy for us to meander through the season playing mostly shite and scoring less than one goal a game, then you are entitled to accept that. I for one do not and think its a chance worth taking to get rid and start a fresh, If it doesn't work I'll hold my hand up but sometimes you have to take a risk. (Not sure that's in Davey's locker though.)
As I stated before, if you are happy for us to meander through the season playing mostly shite and scoring less than one goal a game, then you are entitled to accept that. I for one do not and think its a chance worth taking to get rid and start a fresh, If it doesn't work I'll hold my hand up but sometimes you have to take a risk. (Not sure that's in Davey's locker though.)
Again, for all that want Moyes out: without him walking, how will he get sacked without the results going against him?
Kevin, you want change for change's sake in the hope that we will improve when we have no basis for improvement? Do you accept the very possible downside that we sink down to the level that our resources would naturally dictate?
Can you really see somebody out there crazy enough to take the job and talented enough to improve us with no money to spend?
Can you really see somebody out there crazy enough to take the job and talented enough to improve us with no money to spend?
Change for change's sake after 10 years, are you having a laugh? The improvement could actually come from playing players in the right position, having 2 strikers to start and not have your game plan centered around keeping 0-0 and hopefully grabbing a goal at sometime.
Sound familiar?
Sound familiar?
Reasons for Moyes getting the shove: as Joe Mercer explained after dropping a certain player (Mike Pejic?), "He was a miserable sod."
Another reason: shocking dress sense, which can't be good for morale.
I think Swansea will struggle to score against us, as they did up at Goodison. Moyse will keep it tight, but I think we can also create a few chances. A Blues win by one goal, 0-1 or 1-2 to us.....
OK nurse, but it was my turn on the PC....This place is just not fun anymore!!
OK nurse, but it was my turn on the PC....This place is just not fun anymore!!
Kevin... its not Moyes's squad of choosing is it. He had to sell Art... oh you know what comes next. And we've got our two most creative players on loan, our second striker on loan... hadn't bought a player for two years until January, so squad replenishment hasn't occurred. And you wonder why our football isn't pretty. When he had some say in the transfer market, we played quality football.
Kevin
You didn't answer my questions.
You didn't answer my questions.
Martin OK, Yes it is very possible someone could come in and do a worse job only a fool would think otherwise. Who would take it? I think you'd be surprised at the number that would be interested, today's opposition manager I'm sure would and he has no funds.
I'll state it again for the last time: if you are happy with mediocrity then you are entitled to be; me, I'm not and never will be.
I'll state it again for the last time: if you are happy with mediocrity then you are entitled to be; me, I'm not and never will be.
God bless Jimmy Martin and hope you have a swift recovery fella!
Prioritising the FA Cup above everything else, the logic should be to rest Fellaini, Baines, Heitinga and Jelavic, and take the defeat with good grace until knocked out of aforementioned competition this week.
Kevin, what would you class as above mediocrity? 6th? Higher? 4th?
How would you compete to get there knowing City, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool will buy their league position?
We could have Gus Hiddink in charge and sure the football would be prettier, but what would he deliver position wise?
How would you compete to get there knowing City, Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool will buy their league position?
We could have Gus Hiddink in charge and sure the football would be prettier, but what would he deliver position wise?
Mediocrity points not only to the league position but the way you play, we sit in 10th but only 4pts above 15th. I'm sure most people would accept anything from 10th (with the limited funds we have) upwards provided we saw some decent football throughout the season.
Nick, the likes Hiddink might not improve the position but his football would indeedy be prettier and thus make a lot of match watching supporters an awful lot happier, which is no small concern.
Kevin, I don't like mediocrity but I believe we are mediocre, if being a top ten EPL side can ever be classed as mediocre, because we are a mediocre side. I don't believe that anybody could come to EFC and make us a significantly better side. Anybody who came and had us playing 4-4-2 would take us down. If anybody is to make us a stronger side they will need the resources to do it.
Will we live long enough to find out, watching Spurs Chelski now so have a good day.
Well the likes of Hiddink won't be at Everton anytime soon. Personally, I don't want pretty football without the security that Moyes brings. At least the players know there will be an element of being competitive under Moyes. We go the other direction they're all leaving and would have nothing to do with appeasing the banks. You all want some hypothetical alternative but exactly who is going to bring that to you and keep us competitive.
I'd like a game with less than 2.5 goals... I was told the smart money was there so I'd like my fiver back plus some. Would be quite pleased with a 2-0 win or a 1-0 win. After that I'd just be pleased with the money being a student after all. The season is almost a write off and I stand waiting for another hugely 'entertaining' summer of wishful thinking.
Would love to see a cup or a place in Europe, but I reckon we won't achieve either. Back to Fifa 2012 or Football Manager for me to get my cup winning kicks.
Would love to see a cup or a place in Europe, but I reckon we won't achieve either. Back to Fifa 2012 or Football Manager for me to get my cup winning kicks.
Martin,
"you want change for change's sake in the hope that we will improve when we have no basis for improvement?"
So you would wish therefore to keep things as they are and hope they change?
What was that about the definition of insanity?
Jim Knightley, so you think for £3.5 mill a year there are no managers that are better than Moyes.
After 10 years of boring turgid dour football (although NEVER wanting us to lose) I'd go for a change. Moyes has had his chance, it's time for something new.
"you want change for change's sake in the hope that we will improve when we have no basis for improvement?"
So you would wish therefore to keep things as they are and hope they change?
What was that about the definition of insanity?
Jim Knightley, so you think for £3.5 mill a year there are no managers that are better than Moyes.
After 10 years of boring turgid dour football (although NEVER wanting us to lose) I'd go for a change. Moyes has had his chance, it's time for something new.
John
That quote was by Einstein and it was based on science which soccer isn't. Changing manager and bringing in another with nothing to spend has very little chance of success (improving the side ? not winning trophies), has every chance of catastrophe and at best probably no change.
There's another saying which is that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, I believe what we have the ultimate in sow's ears?
That quote was by Einstein and it was based on science which soccer isn't. Changing manager and bringing in another with nothing to spend has very little chance of success (improving the side ? not winning trophies), has every chance of catastrophe and at best probably no change.
There's another saying which is that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, I believe what we have the ultimate in sow's ears?
Jon Cox, well said. Ten years is enough in most executive positions. Even when the occupant is highly successful, there appears the need to shake things up. You have to avoid stagnation and complacency, and certainly try to break our of mediocrity. Ferguson is a remarkable exception in this day and age.
We're gonna win.We normally do against good footballing sides.
Gibson Neville and Osman ? that's the weakest midfiled we have ever had. Moyes wants to get sacked, I think.
Gibson, Neville and Osman ? that's the weakest midfiled we have ever had. Moyes wants to get sacked, I think.
Kevin the creative players have gone because of money; we had to sell Arteta and Pienarr (although the latter has returned). Creative players also typically cost alot more money and we have none.
Unfortunately for you we are beating Swansea...you must be annoyed.
-With regards to stagnation, I think it is more likely the result of being unable to bring in players, than the manager. Have a look at how results have changed since we brought in Jelavic and Pienarr for instance.
Yes Jon I do. Who do you imagine is going to want to come to us for 3.5million a year and who would guarantee improvement? The likes of Hiddink and Mourinho would not come for the money or the team. We could attract the likes of O'Neil or Hughes potentially, who if they fancied the job, are unlikely to have done a better job than Moyes.
I think we need to understand the position with Everton at the moment; it is about maintaining our league status. With no money we cannot expect to improve as teams around us spend. We must hope Barkley and Rodwell come on, hope we bring players from the youth set-up and hope we get a buyer. If you expect Moyes or any manager to get us playing nice football and challenging for the european places, you are unrealistic.
Unfortunately for you we are beating Swansea...you must be annoyed.
-With regards to stagnation, I think it is more likely the result of being unable to bring in players, than the manager. Have a look at how results have changed since we brought in Jelavic and Pienarr for instance.
Yes Jon I do. Who do you imagine is going to want to come to us for 3.5million a year and who would guarantee improvement? The likes of Hiddink and Mourinho would not come for the money or the team. We could attract the likes of O'Neil or Hughes potentially, who if they fancied the job, are unlikely to have done a better job than Moyes.
I think we need to understand the position with Everton at the moment; it is about maintaining our league status. With no money we cannot expect to improve as teams around us spend. We must hope Barkley and Rodwell come on, hope we bring players from the youth set-up and hope we get a buyer. If you expect Moyes or any manager to get us playing nice football and challenging for the european places, you are unrealistic.
Gibson back, another clean sheet, another opposing team 'have an off day', another win - what has this boy got?
Interesting to see Liverpool leading a pack of 5 for 'best of the rest' 7th. How the mighty have fallen. £150 million spent?? We have as good a chance as they have if we all stay fit.
Interesting to see Liverpool leading a pack of 5 for 'best of the rest' 7th. How the mighty have fallen. £150 million spent?? We have as good a chance as they have if we all stay fit.
Kevin Naylor, I bet that your smile is as wide as any other Evertonian this evening. Now lets not hear of any more of the hope we get beat nonsense.
Great to see the media darlings (and ToffeeWeb darlings) getting crushed. For all of Rodgers supposed brilliance what did he do in two games against us? Absolutely nothing. He also waited until the 70th mintue mark to make a sub (I thought only Moyes did that). The keep it tight and nick one goal strategy goes out the window when yous core 2 doesn't it, what a pain for Moyes, I'm sure he's so negative that he was gutted seeing all that attacking play.
Gibson has that spatial awareness defensivley that Carsley used to have that Fellaini and Rodwell don't. He also passes forward the majority of the time, a rarity in our midfield. We are so much better when he plays.
Gibson has that spatial awareness defensivley that Carsley used to have that Fellaini and Rodwell don't. He also passes forward the majority of the time, a rarity in our midfield. We are so much better when he plays.
You have to love Tony Marsh's early comments here. So absolutely sure in his negativity! Looks a wee bit silly now...
Great result today. Hopefully gives us some confidence going into a very touch FA cup match this week. Gibson could be key though they will have Sessegnon back....COYB
Great result today. Hopefully gives us some confidence going into a very touch FA cup match this week. Gibson could be key though they will have Sessegnon back....COYB
Brilliant win. I was a bit concerned when I saw our midfield but it looks like that clueless, negative, ginger twat got it right. Apparently we fully deserved it as well. Moyes must have been gutted when that second goal went in!
This was a one-off in terms of our whole crappy season. I expect us to draw or lose against Sunderland because Moyes ALWAYS manages to fuck things up by messing with the winning team.
I am not over-confident and I blame that on Moyes.
Even still, as I am an Evertonian, I have a small hope of getting to Wembley, and getting revenge on Liverpool.
I am not over-confident and I blame that on Moyes.
Even still, as I am an Evertonian, I have a small hope of getting to Wembley, and getting revenge on Liverpool.
I suppose there's quite a few pissed off chaps on here now. Unlucky.
Today's result does not change my opinion about Moyes one iota, the one thing he is good at is getting a result when his back is against the wall. I care about the club and that's why I said what I said; if he turns it round then great but until then my stance hasn't changed.
Tony Marsh must be gutted we won today.
Never mind Tony, see you in a few months.
Gibson makes the difference. He's like Carsely and Parkinson. Does the simple things well.
Never mind Tony, see you in a few months.
Gibson makes the difference. He's like Carsely and Parkinson. Does the simple things well.
Well that turned out to be a troublesome away trip from home. Baines won a free kick from a dive, excellent dribble though - good drive. And then scored. Before then both sides had basically evened themselves out. Harrying and closing down space. The half time team talk worked. we are unbeaten with Gibson. And Jelavic looks class. Pienarr was outstanding, in the Drenthe role.
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