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Blues throw it away again

14/04/2012 |  205 Comments: First  |  Last

Match Summary

One of the strongest Everton line-ups David Moyes could name, with the exception of Royston Drenthe, who did not even make the bench, supposedly due to 'family reasons'.

Everton kicked off in brilliant sunshine, to a fairly scrappy start, Gerrard smashing the ball into Howard Webb's head at one point.

Osman was too easily disposed on the right and Liverpool mounted the first real attack, Heitinga allowing Carroll to get past him and cut it back to Stearing who blasted over.

Better stuff from Everton down the left saw Jelavic win a great free-kick that Baines clipped over the wall and onto the roof of the net in the 6th minute.

Everton were looking just a little overawed, not supporting forward movement, playing the ball backward or resorting to the hoof as Liverpool looked to push them back. Neville hesitated and wasted a throw-in. Distin got tricked by Suarez, right on the edge of the Everton box but Agger bashed it poorly into the Everton wall though Skirtel got a shot in at Howard.

Much better work from everyone in Blue saw Osman win the first corner that saw Distin called for a foul as it came in from Gueye. Baines gave Liverpool their first corner at the other end that Fellaini did well to defend and Osman worked well to move the ball forward only to totally blow a fantastic opportunity to play Jelavic in, his feeble throughball simply pathetic in the circumstances.

Neville did well to beat Downing and poke a ball up for a nice overhead kick by Jelavic that lacked any power. But Everton finally looked to have settled by the 20-minute mark and were having a good spell, keeping Liverpool in their own half.

Then, from nothing, Agger and Carragher hilariously hesitated, Carragher played his clearance straight at Cahill and it fell nicely for Jelavic who was fractionally offside but he finished superbly, passing the ball around Jones and into the net. A wonderful gift from the chaotic red shite!

A fantastic reaction from the Blues fans, who drowned Wembley in a sea of joyous triumphant sound, celebrating a wonderful moment for everyone in Blue as a surge of confidence and self-belief convinced even the die-hard skeptics that this was finally to be Everton's day.

Liverpool looked to respond, but good defending by Everton kept them at bay. However, Baines was strangely quiet on the left and was disinclined to advance when Fellaini tried to play him in. Distin got booked for raising an arm to Suarez, who fooled Webb with his disgusting over-reaction. But Everton were sitting back too much, not really taking advantage and moving forward effectively when they did have possession, relying instead on defensive solidity that prevented Liverpool from getting any real chances..

Jelavic won a threatening free-kick off Skirtel and he took the kick himself but it was poorly struck and well wide from an excellent position. Heitinga and Suarez were having a little bit of a ding-dong, Suraez trying to win a penalty with a rugby tackle on the Everton player!

The half ended with Everton finally pushing forward, Neville putting in a couple of ineffective long throws. But it was advantage Everton at the break...

Everton sat back after the break, and allowed Liverpool to swarm forward, Carroll missing a guilt-edged opportunity at the far post that your grannie would have buried! A wake-up call for the Blues, but they struggled to gain possession and lost it again far too cheaply whenever they did.

Felllaini won a free-kick that caused Jones to flap and give away a corner and it was was helter skelter stuff in the Liverpool area but no chance came from it and Everton were soon back defending.

Fellaini pushed Jelavic forward and he did advance on Jones but shot far too early as the Blues looked to get some rythym. Osman had one of his powder-puff shots that was far too easy for Jones.

Jelavic and Skirrtel got booked for some silliness and from the free-kick, Cahill almost embarrassed Jones. It was then crucially Everton's turn to play silly buggers, Distin playing in Suarez with a simply dreadful back-pass under no pressure, allowing the South American to score with ease, and throwing away a fantastic advantage. But it had all-too clearly been coming since the break.

After that, it was all Liverpool pressure, with Davey dithering over a substitution before Distin's dreadful howler. Moyes looked for Coleman to replace Gueye who had not been all that effective down the left. Everton structured something of an attack but it was all over the place, and Moyes could finally make his defensive change.

Cahill moved back into midfield, with Fellaini playing further forward, and momentarily the shape looked a little better, Baines getting to take his first corner. Osman got in a better shot but straight at Jones.

A Coleman slip that earnt him a yellow card for handball on the ground let Carroll fire a low shot past Howard's other post as the nervous Blues fans wondered if the Blues could offer some better play going in to the final 10 mins of normal time.

Jelavic did get forward off a great flick from Fellaini but he was stretching and could only put his shot into the side netting. At the other end Carroll came close to scoring again.

Coleman came close to picking up a second yellow for a late clip on Gerrard and from the free kick, simple as you like, Carroll headed Liverpool into the lead from Bellamy's whipped cross.

Game over for the Blues, who had been shockingly poor in the second half.

Time for super-sub Anichebe to replace Leighton Baines, who had been very poor and did not put a single cross in. But three minutes would not be enough, as Liverpool incredibly did not score a third, thanks to an amazing intervention by Coleman to deny Rodriguez. Suarez was then denied by Howard.

Despite the gift of the first-half lead, Everton had not been themselves. But to go ahead, and give their fans the belief was so deceptive as they simply did not show for the second half. Desperately disappointing.

Everton: Howard; Neville, Heitinga, Distin, Baines (87' Anichebe); Osman, Gibson, Fellaini, Gueye (66' Coleman); Cahill; Jelavic. Subs: Hahnemann, Hibbert, Jagielka, Stracqualursi, McFadden, .

Attendance: 87,231

Michael Kenrick

Original Source: ToffeeWeb

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Trevor Lynes
054   Posted 14/04/2012 at 12:38:46

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Looking at the bench, I cannot for the life of me see McFadden coming on and turning the game (I really hope I am 100% wrong).

Why no Drenthe?? He must have done something worse than Balotelli to be left out with so much at stake. He is an impact player and could really upset the likes of Carragher and the rest if brought on with 20 minutes to go.
Charles Brewer
058   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:22:05

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Dreadful
Shaun Brennan
060   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:27:21

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Why was Jelavic left upfront on his own when they went 1-1 for the rest of the game?

We will never beat Liverpool or win when it matters when Moyes is in charge. If we don't finish above them in the league then we will all know what Moyes is about.
John Nugent
061   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:29:05

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Gutted!
What now?
Anthony Jones
062   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:27:42

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If any of you are surprised you are in denial. This manager always lacks the balls to go for it in the big matches. Great decision to bring on a right back when dogleash brings on maxi and bellamy. Fair play to liverpool.
Danny Kewley
063   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:25:57

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Why didn't Everton play the same sort of football as the last few games? Pass and move, not hoofing it! They came out the second half totally negative just booting the ball away! They handed it to Liverpool on a plate and it is surely down to the manager!!
Kevin Sparke
064   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:26:34

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For long periods of the game there was 40 metres between Jelavic and the nearest Everton player - we conceded midfield as soon as we went ahead and were still defending our one goal lead when it was 1-1.

Everton - rabbits in the fucking headlights - Big game bottlers - each and every one...
Anthony Jones
065   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:27:42

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If any of you are surprised you are in denial. This manager always lacks the balls to go for it in the big matches. Great decision to bring on a right back when Dogleash brings on Maxi and Bellamy. Fair play to Liverpool.
Christine Foster
066   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:31:20

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Moyes.
Jay Woods
068   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:31:05

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I hope Distin never plays again for us. You wouldn't even make that mistake in park football.
Paul Mackie
069   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:32:32

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Once again we take the lead in a game and then forget to attack for the rest of the fucking match.

What a pile of utter shit.
Joe McMahon
072   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:34:13

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We are what we are, dated unfashonable team, in a dated wooden stadium, a chairman stuck in the 60s and a negative uninspiring manager.

Is anyone really suprised that's why I NEVER EVER laugh at the kopites, cos they always have the last laugh when it matters!
Darren Robinson-Cooke
073   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:34:42

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Typical. We always bottle it against that shower and show them too much respect when we seem to have the upper-hand. No self-belief and no bottle. Should be ashamed of ourselves when a team like Cardiff can take them all the way and we can't.

Same old story... always has been....always will be.

Gutted.
Christine Foster
074   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:32:48

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Left a centre forward on the bench and brought on a full-back after they score. They bring on TWO strikers and we leave the centre forward on the bench and then, AFTER they go in front, he brings on Anichebe.

Down to you, Moyes, you are unforgiven. Where was Drenthe?
Ian McDowell
075   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:37:31

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Everton break your hearts, always have done always will do.
Christine Foster
076   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:38:03

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Coleman and Anichebe for pity sake...
Ryan Rosenberg
077   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:38:23

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I really feel for Distin. He's going to get a lot of hatred on here for a while, and it's a shame how he's been so solid and consistent over the past years, and now he is going to be remembered for that one blunder. It was horrible but I forgive him.
Darren Robinson-Cooke
078   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:38:02

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Did we all expect anything different?
Kevin Sparke
079   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:38:48

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Drenthe... not named in the squad for 'Family Reasons - compassionate leave'

Translation... He was late out on the piss again
Phil Smith
081   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:33:57

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Feel sick. Totally choked again on the big stage. Reminded me of '09. Got a goal and then fell apart. Defense was all over the place. Back 4 looked like they never played together. Baines ? worst game for us. No conviction at all across the field.

Convinced we'll never win anything under Moyes now. Disappointed doesn't go far enough. Only consolation is that I'm 100% sure the Shite won't win it either. To top it all, looks like another season without European football...
Steve Brown
082   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:40:34

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Ridiculous caution from Moyes cost us that. He moves our most influential midfielder Fellaini up front instead of bring on a second forward, withdraws Gueye for Coleman and was about to bring on HIBBERT before Liverpool scored their second goal. We will never win anything like this.
Anto Byrne
083   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:27:03

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What can you say? What can you fucking say about that? Out-played, out-managed, out-fought. They wanted it more. They have the winning mentality.

I don't want that fucking loser here next season. Ten seasons is enough. Time for fresh ideas and someone who wants to win. Bilic anyone?
Peter Warren
084   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:41:05

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Missed opportunity. Gutted. We didn't turn up. We need to alter the way we play, it's not good enough.
Phil Martin
085   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:32:34

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If we had players of the quality of Bellamy and Maxi on the bench. I'm sure Moyes would've used them. Unfortunately the dismantling of our best squad in years started several years ago. What we have now is a shell of a once very good side. Who on their day can play. However we lack options or a plan B. Largely through a lack of playing options. Gutted.
Michael Betschart
086   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:45:41

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Just disappointed... what the fuck was that in the 2nd half? A fucking disgrace.
Jay Harris
087   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:42:54

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When you pay the big bucks you get players with a winning mentality.

We had knocked that out of them until Distin's dreadfull backpass.

That lifted them but we did not have sufficient quality on the bench to regain control or make an impact.

McFadden on the bench sums it all up for me.

We will never win anything with Laurel and Hardie running the club.
Joe McMahon
088   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:44:27

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We have lost 3 times to Liverpool in a season, scoring one goal. I thought this 5 years ago: nowt's changed. MOYES OUT!!!
Joe McMahon
089   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:47:50

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Alan, me. I'd take anyone, Martinez even Holloway.
Charles Brewer
090   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:34:13

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From 15 minutes perspective ...

A very weird game, given that Everton are playing the best football ? mostly on the ground ? of the season, there was a reversion to hoofball, and the back four ? especially the normally reliable Distin ? were shockingly bad.

Distin contributed possibly the worst ever pass-back I have ever seen, Baines was ineffect

If Carroll hadn't continued to prove he's a total donkey, he'd have had a hat trick, easily.

It was August all over again.
Frank Eardley
091   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:49:38

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Why oh why wasn't Drenthe involved? Nobody on that bench could make an impact. And why did he try and defend that lead didn't he learn anything from 09?!
Lee Courtliff
093   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:44:27

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I don't understand it.

Why do we sit back? We should have pushed on and gone for the 2nd goal.

Why does Moyes switch Cahill and Fellaini? It never leads to anything positive.

Why did the likes of Baines not turn up today? He is more than good enough to play at any level,he shouldn't be intimidated by anyone.

Why did they have to equalise through a fuck up? Typical of them. And us.

Why do I support Everton? It's just upsetting.
Duncan Lems
094   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:51:18

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EVERTON, I STILL LOVE YOU!

Fuck the red shite for live!!!!!!!
James Martin
095   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:49:28

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Get Moyes out.

I used to be his most staunchest supporter but that game encapsulates everything about him, we'll never win anything under him because he's a born loser, as are some of his players.

Distin can't play in big games, he's the new Lescott, imperious against small teams then soils his pants the moment the pressure is on. Same for Baines, dreadful performance as it always is from him in big games. That's why he's not England's left back. Any player who gets homesick isn't a winner.

Neither is Howard, went down in installements for Suarez's goal and was in a bad position. So is Fellaini, loses his mind at crucial periods like their last goal and too slow in general.

The whole team is too slow in general. Get rid of Moyes and get some players in who can run and work and aren't in flaming awe of Liverpool every time they play them.

THREE times in one season ? against the worst Liverpool team in many people's memory... Not good enough for any Everton manager.
Mohammed Horoub
100   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:49:51

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Moyes's loyalty to Cahill has cost us again... I'm angry at distin but the nerves of the occasion got to him. When we needed Howard to save his teammate he wasn't there. After Suarez scores Moyes needed to send a msg to the team bring on anichebe or straq play a pure 4-4-2 leave it out on the field. Don't switch Cahill with Fellaini cuz he doesn't have the legs anymore. Moyes your time with EFC is over can't wait to see what you do at your next club...
Joe McMahon
102   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:57:54

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Not only are we defensive shite to watch, we are defensive shite being watched to a worldwide TV audience. Who the fuck is gonna buy us??, oh I forgot invest.
Bill Simpson
104   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:53:42

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Until now I've defended David Moyes from the criticism he's received on Toffeeweb but, after this afternoon's abject performance in surrendering the initiative and seemingly deciding to play for 1-0, I can see that I've been deluded. The man will always keep us safely in the PL by playing his percentage football, but we'll never win anything with him in charge. I'm only glad that the history books will at least show a respectable scoreline rather than the 4-1 or 5-1 it might have been as a result of our second half performance.
Kevin Sparke
105   Posted 14/04/2012 at 14:58:11

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You can't blame Moyes for players bottling it - Distan bottled it, Baines had his worst ever game for Everton.. EVER. Gibson was nowhere to be seen - Osman was useless. Felliani was isolated - no support whatsoever

The only player who looked up for it was Jelavic - and he was playing on his own for long periods of the game

We bottled it... the Everton players Bottled it - they're at fault... they're to blame.

As is Moyes, but to a lesser degree as it wasn't him hoofing stupid balls 80 yrds - We should have played to our strengths but we didn't - end of - we shat ourselves.
Bill Gall
106   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:05:02

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My only comment is it must be Liverpool's dream to play Everton because it does not matter how they play, Everton will always make sure Liverpool get the result.
Dave Lynch
112   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:00:09

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No excuses. They did a number on us, end of.

Moyes was shown up for what he has always been: 'The nearly man'.

Dalgliesh is a motivator, we all knew the winner would be the one who wanted it most and they wanted it more.

I'm fucking devastated but no excuses, no dodgy ref's decisions or conspiracy theories. Webb reffed the game well, battered by them, end of.
Paul Heron
113   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:12:44

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So so disappointed... can't even think straight.
Steve Woods
115   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:07:04

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Kevin @ 105

I totally agree with your all comments. Baines as you say had his worst game for as long as I can remember but he was not great in his last match before he was rested against Sunderland. I am wondering if he was playing injured, if not he looks as though he is injured now. The various mysteries surrounding Drenthe need to be outed as I find it hard to believe he did not even make the bench, did he travel?

All in all a dreadful, truly abysmal second half 'performance'. We missed Pienaar and it shows but of course he was never going to play. What the players did in the second half was footballing suicide, hastened by the gifted goal. Did Moyes tell them and sit back that way, I don't know.
Nick Entwistle
117   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:12:59

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Dave, I'd have Suarez sent off for rugby tackling JH.
Darren Robinson-Cooke
118   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:03:58

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Brad Jones must have thought it was Xmas come early today as that was probably one of the easiest (and only) games he must have played and on a world stage watched by millions. We simply did not get the ball forward and put him under enough pressure whatsoever and him and that shower where there for the taking and what do we go and do? Sit off and defend deeper and deeper giving them the initiative and they grow in belief.

You could actually see the players wilt under the pressure and any confidence and self-belief drain from them as the game wore on... it was heart-breaking and then came the inevitable collapse.

I feel so sorry for the fans who travelled to witness thatit was bad enough from behind the couch and the reason I say that it because I knew what was coming next and sadly was proved right yet again.
James Newcombe
119   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:12:05

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I knew if they equalised, then we'd fold! Punting it long just doesn't work against the best teams. Where was Drenthe? One of our few players who can turn a game on its head, and not even on the bench.
Liverpool played well in the second half, but make no mistake, this is one of their poorest teams of recent times. Just gutted.
James Martin
120   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:11:22

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Kevin, they have this mentality because it filters down from Moyes. He buys these nicey nice players who fit in well and don't disrupt the team spirit. They aren't winners though. They're scared of winning.

As soon as we went in front they couldn't deal with the expectation on them to win. Far easier to lose and then come out with some piece of crap in the Echo about how they're going to pay the fans back with a strong finish to the season (no doubt finishing just a few points behind Liverpool).

The worst thing about this team is they don't even fight. The second their heads go down you know that's it. They love wallowing in each other's disappointment. Wake me up next Januray when Liverpool have spent another £100 million and we're banging on about being in 'decent form'.

10 years, and not one dignificant momenty to gloat over that shower form across the park. David Moyes... Liverpool's greatest manager.
Paul Smith
122   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:14:27

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Fucking pain again. John Parrot had the right idea, commentate on the national instead. Will we ever beat them cunts? I love you Everton, but sometimes you make me fucking livid. COYB!!!
Dave Lynch
123   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:16:32

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Nick.
You are never going to get a decision like that against a striker.
A defender, yes, but not a striker.
Nelly Verdonghan
126   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:13:16

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Once again that fuckin shithouse Moyes sits back on a 1-0 lead only to lose AGAIN... He did exactly what most Evertonians feared he would do... great manager, my arse. We will NEVER win a trophy with him in charge, he bottles every big game he is involved in.

His tactics lost us that game pure and simple... from the minute we scored we just sat back and did fuck all... Go 1-0 up and defend for your life... text book Moyes... probably the worst RS team EVER and he still shit himself. Fuckin disgrace... Fuckin COWARD !!
Roman Sidey
127   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:20:22

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I'm loving this James Martin. You're speaking some true shit. Whatever faults the players had in this game, they are trained and motivated (or not, as is becoming apparent) by Moyes. If the whole team sits back on a 1-0 lead, it is down to the manager, end of.

Very fair comment about being woken up in January, too, James. For me, fuck that. Wake me up when Moyes has fucked off. I'm not having any of this until he's left the club.
Daniel A Johnson
128   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:22:21

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Everton has a loser mentality which runs from top to bottom.

Today against a shite Liverpool team there was no belief, no positivity.

We emerged at half time with no belief, no energy, no desire to WIN.

We play relegation safe football, its safety football by percentages. We only ever play to survive, we never play to win.

For all his faults as a player, as a manger, and as a man, Dalglish is a winner ? something David Moyes and Everton will never ever be.
Richard Styles
129   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:11:57

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What a day... we had it and threw it all away.

Distin's fault with the Sunday football backpass, all he needed to do was put it out! And Moyes yet again resorts to Bingham tactics of get a goal and defend for the rest of the game... We did the same against Chelsea after King Louis scored... Moyes hasn't got the bottle to go on and win a Big game.

He had Drenthe who would have kept Liverpool busy for all of the second half; instead, he plays Coleman who took all of 10 minutes to actually warm up, get the instructions from Round, and then get on the pitch. That last defeat by the reds was bad enough and could be forgiven if we had actually won today... but to give them 3 points as well as the chance to do the Double this year is now unforgivable.

I don't care if Moyes does get us into Europe now, he needs to leave. 10 years is to long without a major trophy! Today he proved to us that, even with a big squad and multiple choices, he couldn't pull of the most important win of them all...

Nothing you do now can help Everton in any way shape or form. Leave us with your 10 year record intact. Thanks for your input but we need a manager with Bottle that can and will go for the throat when in front, not sit back for 45 minutes after we took the lead...

You say you are a Evertonian, you can't be ? because No Evertonian likes to lose once to Liverpool, let alone three games in a season.
Dean Adams
131   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:28:20

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Maybe we should ask Slaven Bilic if he would like to pay us back for ripping us off when he played here and ask him to lead us to victories nexy year? I have to say that as someone who has backed Moyes, this I think is my watershed moment!!
Tony Twist
132   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:20:45

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Putting a striker on when we are 2-1 down with 3 minutes left, that's Moyes all over. Embarassing plain and simple. Moyes hasn't a clue and we can only hope, though it's unlikely if that performance is anything to go by, that we finish ahead of the RS in the league to save face. Moyes will never change his ways though, we will always be second best with such a defensively minded manager.
Yair Kaye
133   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:26:47

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Sorry to be writing after the defeat.. however, I would have written the same had we won. Our problem is not Distin or any other specific mistake. We are just not a good enough team for the top flight.

We didn't play well today, and we never dominate games against top 4 teams. We always defend, and sometimes we are able to utilize mistakes to our benefit.

Our team of the 80s would have humiliated the current one if the two met. Today we didn't control midfield and didn't create opportunities. We had a gift goal given, and from then on it was just "get rid of the ball".

Not that the Shite were much better. A top 4 club would have broken them today to pieces. But we are far away from a top 4 club, and will never be again, as long as Kenwright does not sell the club to owner(s) that can put forward some funds to build a club to match the top flight.

Everton today were an embarrassment to watch, first and foremost for the way they played, not because they lost.
Kevin Sparke
135   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:21:52

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James - 'they have this mentality because it filters down from Moyes'

Why oh why oh why then were we so imperious against Sunderland?

Why, in terms of league points since January are we the third best team in the Premier League?

Why have we played a pretty and effective passing game in midfield and on the flanks for the last 12 games... with one exception... I'll give you a clue, they beat us 3-0.

I'm fucking gutted, spitting blood... but in my humble opinion the reason we blew this is not all down to Moyes - the reason we blew it because big name players can't handle big name games.

We played right into Liverpool's hands - we neglected to play football and instead collectively shat ourselves and went into our shells kicking the ball long.

Moyes's teams have not done that for a very long time - I cannot believe that even Moyes, who has far more managerial experience than you or I would send a team out and say... 'tell you what lads - lets forget the game that's won us so many games in the last 4 months and hoof it long'

Everton froze - whether it was because they wanted to win so much for the fans or the occasion was too big for them - they froze!

Anthony Flack
137   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:21:44

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On the train leaving the game. Both sides piss poor, but too many of our players looked heavy legged, same as against Chelski a fee years ago. Baines, Gueye, Cahilll, Gibson were out of their depth, Osman tried but looked too small, Neville same as ever. For me only Jelavic and Fellaini looked good enough. Feel a bit sorry for Distin, as be must feel a total twat. Speaking of which Suarez, no word is for to describe him. Liverp
Mike Hughes
138   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:30:00

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Gutless, inept performance.
The RS have crap form and a 3rd choice keeper going into the game: there for the taking
What do we do? We play conservatively and don't test their keeper.
Why no Drenthe for the last 30 mins?
Same old, same old.
The Everton Way - self-destruction.
Everon FC do not deserve their fans.
Nelly Verdonghan
139   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:30:14

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We will probably get yet another sob story about how they've spent £100 million and we've spent £100 to justify YET ANOTHER abject surrender against the RS...we all know it's coming

Everton will never win another trophy whilst the Kenwright/Moyes lovefest remain in charge.

The manager dictates the tactics of the team and his tactics were there for ALL the world to see today...he should be embarrassed...no more like ASHAMED of how his team lay down and died AGAIN....Man Utd's next manager...hahahahaha !!
Kjetil Moen
140   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:32:30

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Boys, boys, boys

I'm as gutted as anyone, but took my time reading all your comments now.



The post most fitting for me was Mr. Duncan Lems (#094) saying: EVERTON I STILL LOVE YOU.

Because this hurts. This is the worst loss we have had in years. And think how Distin feels, must be crying still.

Shocked at how fast the joy of tearing Sunderland to pieces left this message board.

Im not happy, Im gutted. But Im not saying Moyes out, Im not faulting the team - it just wasnt our day. Of course we couldve done stuff in other ways, but at the pub I enjoyed myself today, RIGHT UP UNTIL DISTINS backpass. Which was what ruined it today.

Not the systems fault today, just poor old Distin. Just him today, unfortunately.
Justin Packett
144   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:36:33

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When will it be our turn? God is not a BLUE:(
Marcus Choo
145   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:35:06

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Time for a change. Can't imagine more heartache like this under Moyes. We'll never win anything with him...

Liverpool can probably play their reserves or have half the team on crutches and Moyes will still say "they're the favourites we're the underdogs" and proceed to get beat. What excuse do you have now Mr Moyes??? Were you saving the side for a final Premier league push to keep Everton above Liverpool?

Rubbish..........
Paul Mackie
146   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:39:29

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Kjetil,

It's not Distins fault that we went one up and then came out for the second half and kept punting the ball straight back at the RS.

It's not Distin's fault that we didn't put them constantly under pressure despite their keeper and CB pairing being utter dogshit.

These were Moyse's tactics and he bottled it AGAIN
Brian Waring
147   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:35:24

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Kevin, we were okay 1st half and looked comfortable. We come out the 2nd half, and from the off,we sat deep, and seemed to just want to defend the lead.

A few on the live forum said they couldn't see Moyes telling them to sit deep, but for me, there have been too many games where we have been leading, only for us to drop deep instead of going for a second goal. I find it hard not to accept that Moyes never played a part tactically in us dropping too deep.
Anthony Flack
148   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:36:16

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bloke just said to me that Everton reminded him of youngsters on a pitch that was too big, with grass too long, a ball too heavy, playing against bigger boys.
Steve Brown
149   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:40:42

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Suggest everyone turns to drink for the rest of the day, wakes up groggy tomorrow and wondering if it was just a nightmare, then realises that it is just the perverse world of initial optimism and ultimate despair that makes us Everton supporters.

Then will the cold light of day we agree that Moyes and his negative tactics, plus his entourage of under-achievers (Osman, Cahill etc) ride off into the sunset.
Trevor Lynes
150   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:32:05

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The manager put on a strong, experienced side but we are a very limited, average side who over perform to be a mid-table, run-of-the-mill team. It's the players who did not perform and my comment at the top of this article (before the result) unfortunately was accurate. We had no impact player on the bench who could influence the game and we seem to have a genuine fear of Liverpool which is not apparent against the top four.

Lower league clubs would have had a go but we were looking to win one-nil and, once that became out of the question, we conceded once again. We were looking for penalties long before the end as we desperately hung on to our slight advantage.

I'm afraid that the squad we have will continue to be mediocre unless a benefactor comes in to bring in genuine top class players and change our fortunes. Next season we have to replace Nev, Timmy, Distin, Hibbo and Osman and that's just age catching up. If the bench today is anything to go by, we have no younghsters good enough coming through.
Dominic Virgo
151   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:24:58

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It is proper dissapointing this today I just feel sorry for the great supporters who went down to Wembley today full of hope like we all had. I just finished watching the game in the pub and they have the most disgusting and vile fans who have no respect for us really and we go and show them too much respect it makes me feel sick why we have to suffer because of team who are nothing but cheating scum bags. But you know i'm proud to be a supporter of a real football club today is a sickner but hopefully our time will come one day
Dave Lynch
153   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:39:23

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Kjetil.

Glad you enjoyed your day at the pub mate.

Know what ? I fucking didn't.

I watched Liverpool beat us fair and square and it fucking hurts like hell.

Fuck feeling gutted. I'm fucking devastated, so take your come day, go day attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine pal.

Me ? I'll just drown myself in alcohol and pain killers.
Shaun Brennan
154   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:45:17

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There was a distinct different today.

Daglish has the midst of a winner. Moyes doesn't.
Kevin Sparke
155   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:42:14

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Brian - if he did send the team out with those instructions - he has no place being manager of Everton.

To me we looked scared from the kick-off and I was gutted we never played the passing game that's been so effective.

I think the occasion got to them.
Yair Kaye
156   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:43:07

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Brian, I don't agree. We didn't look too good in the 1st half either. We only benefitted from a mistake by a Shite team which is one of the weakest I can remember. And we still managed to blow it away.
Daniel A Johnson
158   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:45:22

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For me we cant blame Distin for thsi defeat,

We were under the cosh by then anyway due to the fact we went into our shells and sat back leaving Jelavic up front against 3 defenders on his todd.

Even after Distins holwer it was still 1-1 with all to play for.

For me Jelavic has learnt today what it means to be an Everton striker, to be left up front on your own to just work and work and slowly rot away.

Cahill for me surely must be moved on he's just not good enough
Nick Carn
160   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:43:16

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I can take losing a game. I could have even taken a loss against Liverpool, had we given our best.

But we didn't. Today we made Liverpool look good. We let them off the hook.

Timid, is what we were.

1-0 at half time, sure. But the cracks were already there. Needlessly wasting possession. We should have taken control, frustrated Liverpool by keeping possesion.

I feel sory for Distin but his horror mistake aside, we were still truly awful. We need a more positive leadership on and off the pitch.
Brian McGee
161   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:43:42

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Kevin Sparke ? quite ironic that no matter who the players are, the only constant during the last ten years is ? yes, you guessed it, David Moyes. Go figure, lad.
Tom Bowers
164   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:44:34

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Just when we all thought the season couldn't get any worse, we win some cup games and have a fantastic chance of glory, starting with a semi-final win against the Shite... but as usual we blow it good style after leading the game. The old brigade has to go and the fresh faces have to start the remaining games.

Moyes is too predictable and too loyal to some of his favourites. Gueye played well against Sunderland in the cup but Drenthe should have been on the left. We needed strong running from midfield but we had nothing to really pressure them in the same area. This Redshite team was there for the picking but our 'old brigade' just couldn't hack it.
Terry McLavey
165   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:41:55

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I was going to get up at 2am to go to work to get home to watch the match on ITV... you know the rest! So glad I didn't!!

Streamed the 2nd half, couldn't believe what I was watching... I thought the last derby was bad!! This was Derby II ? the return of the shite "football"...

Why do we roll over every time we play Liverpool? What was the game plan? "Boot the fuckin' ball anywhere boys or preferably into empty space so a red shirt can run on to it"!! I txted my friend "I'm glad we're not in the final, it would be a travesty to football."

When we have the chance of something great, we blow it out our arse. Well done, Davey and Team ? you should be so proud! And if you had any decency, you would refund all the fans that were subjected to that appalling shite from your bulging bank accounts, you millionaire twats!!

Do you think I'm a tad annoyed?
Daniel A Johnson
166   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:49:48

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Funny how all the people who praise Moyes e.g. Dalglish, Lawrenson, Hansen, Keegan, Barnes, Rush, Gerrard are all red shites.

You never hear them praising Ferguson.

The reason is Moyes is a fucking loser, the reds in the media know this, about time we all wake up and see it too.

Moyes likes players who are yes men, who wont rock the boat and are nice and styeady. Hes not into the hot headed winners who have the cold hearted desire to just win at all cost.
Barry Rathbone
167   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:43:02

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Volunteered to work today as I wound myself up we'd win this, no radios, tv or anyone to infect the delusion.

Got home at 3pm decided to go for a walk in case pens etc - just switched the computer on at 3.45PM.

Thanks Moyes.
Nelly Verdonghan
168   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:52:28

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I would like to see the OPTA stats for which team gives away the ball the most when NOT under pressure from the opposition....I bet we will be top of the league.

I just can't forgive YET ANOTHER abject surrender against the RS.... As bad as Walter was, at least he never shit himself against the shite.
Mike Hughes
171   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:54:35

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Dave Lynch - #153

Spot on. Well said.
Dean Adams
172   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:56:52

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Barry Rathbone
After that, I wish I had as much sense as you Barry!!!
Brian Waring
174   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:59:37

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Kevin, after that performance 2nd half, its a scratch and shake your head moment.
Ernie Baywood
178   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:57:53

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Gutted. We bottled it... again.

But I still thank the good dude every day that I'm not one of them.
Dave Lynch
182   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:00:15

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Brian @161.

Guess what we've won in the last 10 years?

Go figure.
Barry Rathbone
183   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:00:02

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Dean

Honestly mate ever since the clive thomas semi final I've done the same, if I can't go the game I disappear till it's over.

I've walked Plynlimon mountain in Wales, drove from the midlands through wiltshire onto the M4 ending up sitting in the car on Weston Super Mare beach.

I've even pissed off to Benalmadena in Spain for 3 days.

My missus says it's the only time we ever go anywhere when Everton are in a big game.
Denis Richardson
184   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:50:52

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Gutted but not really surprised to be honest. Was never confident of beating them as we seem to have a complex when it comes to playing the RS. Whether this is down to Moyes, the players, or both, I don't know.

They were the better team on the day and, other than the goal they gifted us, we never really looked like scoring. I can't remember one decent chance that we had in the whole game. Whereas they missed a couple of sitters.

The only slight crumb I can take from this is that I think the overall winner will come from the semi-fianl tomorrow anyway.

Let's push on to the end of the season then say a big thank you and goodbye to Davey and get a manager in to freshen the whole place up.
Nick Carn
185   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:08:41

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The game that made me an Everton fan was our 3-1 loss in the 86 final. I was a ten year old boy just getting interested in football. We lost but Everton won my heart that day. Can't see that play today winning over anyone. (maybe I'm getting too cynical). We're better than this.
Jason Lam
187   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:06:14

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Choked.

Liverpool FC wanted it more. Carroll even though was a laughing stock with every touch kept plugging in. Bellamy came on and never stopped swearing, cursing the ref. Every petty decision it was cursing and fighting for it. It's truly a game of inches and they wanted it more.

Moyes is not fit to tie Dalglish's laces.
James Kirrane
189   Posted 14/04/2012 at 15:55:11

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This is exactly what I feared. Hoping against hope that things would turn out differently. However, so predictable.

Why is it that we can beat City, Chelsea and Spurs, yet lose to an average Redshite team?The answer is quite simple. Those games did not have the significance of this afternoon's game. The fact is Daglish is a winner, he has proved it as a player and as a manager. What has Moyes ever won as a player or a manager?

When push came to shove, we bottled it and, until we actually win something (which is highly unlikely), we will never attain that winner's mentality. The Redshite have a manager who is a winner and players like Carragher, Gerard and Johnson who have actually won things. Unfortunately, that was the difference.
Barry Thompson
194   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:14:28

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Eddie, you have just achieved the impossible. I feel like shit but you made ma laugh
Al Reddish
195   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:06:17

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It's time to take stock and rebuild. Cahill, Neville, Hibbert, Coleman, Mucha, Baxter, Stracq, Drenthe all have to go. Get some money in and buy young hungry players.

I feel sorry for Distin but he wasn't solely to blame for today. Drenthe fucks up just before our biggest game of the season. Baines decides today's the the day he doesn't turn up at all. Gibson has a shocker and lets Gerrard dictate the second half.

Moyes puts on Coleman but it seems the occassion was too big for him. Neville fails to lead. Cahill spends the last minute of time arguing with the ref on who's throw-in it is when it was quite clearly the Shites instead of getting on with it, and once again he was anonymous.

The team should consist next year of Howard Johnny, Baines, Fellaini, Gibson, Pienaar (?) and Jelavic. The rest I would invite offers for and replace. Let the youngsters like Duffy, Vellios and Barkley have some game time and see how they do.
Sam Hoare
200   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:18:10

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Lots of poor performances today obviously but for me Cahill has been anonymous for far too long. It was days like today that he's meant to earn his status but apart from luckily being there for the ball to bounce off to Jelavic he did very little and for me does not deserve the automatic starting place he has.

Osman seemed unfit. Gueye was quiet but is young. Distin...well.

John Aldridge
204   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:23:51

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I'm an avid reader of Toffeeweb but first time poster.

I've defended Moyes to the hilt over the years but today has been the final straw for me. We were 1-0 up, we should have went for the jugular and finished the shite off. Not a hint of it, sit back and defend ? typical Moyes negative dross. It's not like we were playing a top team either ? their first team is the worst I have seen for many a year. Utter shite and totally gutted, yet strangely not surprised.

Moyes, please, for the sake of this club ? leave.
Neil Pickering
205   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:22:59

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Dont really blame Sylvain, he was probably blowing out his arse because we couldn't get out our half due the moysiahs negative tactics. He should have gone 4-4-2 after 60 mins to take pressure off but no, he dithered again.

Really when I think about it, what did we all expect? It's very simple ? we ain't won anything in 10 years, our manager is very average, and I won't shed a tear if he goes in the summer.

Give me Lambert from Norwich please.
Daniel A Johnson
209   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:34:58

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I feel like I've had it with this team and this club..................so fucking depressed right now................I just feel terrible.
Richard Reeves
212   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:30:54

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Can't say I'm surprised but I've come to an official conclusion: anyone who wants Moyes here next season is (pardon my French) a twat!
Kevin Sparke
216   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:40:07

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"I cost my team mates, the staff, the club and a the fan a place in FA cup final. Nothing more to say but SORRY all of you."

Tweet by Silvan Distin

My response - "you made a mistake lad, anyone can do that... you're still a blue - through and through who has won us more points than you've cost us"
Kevin Sparke
217   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:43:06

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Richard - I want Moyes here next season - calling me a twat?
Al Reddish
218   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:43:15

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Distin went over to the Everton end at Wembley and apologised to the fans over there. A good pro who messed up but it didnt cost us the game, it just equalised it at the time.
Jamie Barlow
219   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:30:29

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I blame Distin. I blame him for a schoolboy back pass.

I blame Baines for having a shocker and not crossing a single ball all game.

I blame Gueye for being lazy as fuck.

I blame Cahill for doing what he's done all season(fuck all).

I blame Gibson for having his worst game in a blue shirt.

If Moyes told the players to go out and defend a 1-0 lead, I blame him too.

The problem is, if we have 5 or 6 players who bottle it like they did in the second half, we have no-one who can produce a bit of magic and win us the game.

It's a sad state when a £35 million misfit batters fuck out of your two best central defenders.
Dalziel Kane
227   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:43:42

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All said, a very disappointing day thus far, beaten in an FA cup semi-final by those fucking beauts of all people, it hurts, make no mistake about it, but just feel helpless about the situation.

We had a 1-0 lead and did not expand on that, Moyes has to take his share of todays setback, where was the attacking emphasis in the second half, why is it we can put six goals past a Sunderland team in two fixtures that are not much better than the shite and then fail against a team of similar caliber a few weeks later ?, makes me fucking angry it does, they were there to be had today, we had a very good opportunity to be in the Final once again and we simply couldn't manage it in the end against some less than excellent opposition. 17 Years now without any trophies at Goodison, 10 Years now of Moyes, no trophies of course with that, there has been chances to rectify that, today was another example. OK, there was still the small matter of the Final itself if we had won today, but on the day who knows what could of happened, the all important thing is 'we could of been there'

Said it again and again, 'Thank you Mr Moyes for the league finishes you gave us but under this man we simply will not win anything I truly feel', why the fuck didn't you go out to attack in the second half and push home our advantage, that's just another complaint by the way. Still feeling agitated even now as I sit here and type this, beaten by them at the semi-final stage when it should of been our day, it hurts.
Kunal Desai
232   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:39:31

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Glad I never paid a single penny to watch that capitulation... and to think some Evertonians were charging others in the region of £500 a ticket to watch that at Wembley. Do me favour!!

Expect one or two out of the Goodison revolving door this summer ? probably Fellaini and Heitinga. The focus of attention will now no doubt and really should turn to BK, he has been out of the spotlight for the last few months but we all know the familiar pattern of what will happen in the summer transfer market. A big FUCK ALL!! No interested parties then Bill???
James Morgan
233   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:57:47

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We are bottlers and always will be; it's in our DNA. Distin should hang his head in shame for that error, it's just not good enough.

We came out second half and sat back like cowards, we got what we deserved. I feel ashamed to be a blue now.
Mark Riding
239   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:58:13

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I have just got home from the game.
I just cant stop shaking my head.
I always asked for us not to get cheated, and to be fair, we were not cheated, Webb made bad decisions for both sides.

Great first half overall, but some players seemed to play below what we have seen in recent weeks, BUT as soon as we kicked off for the second half we werent 'at it'. I turned to my dad and I pointed the finger at the manager and said this start is his fault. If we came out flying we would have pissed it today - The Shite.. are.. actually, shite !
I havent seen the goals or game highlights, so forgive me if I have missed something important.
Everton, I expect it, I have seen it all before, but I still think we can do it... well, you have gone and done it again.
Gutted.
Jimmy Sørheim
246   Posted 14/04/2012 at 16:16:00

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Al you are on to something. Drenthe should be signed, worst case we get money for him after if he does not work out.

In order to do a clear out Moyes needs to go.
A new manager with balls needs to come in and clean this squad up.

I think Moyes have dropped the ball this season, selling Yakubu for 1 mill was like a free gift to B.burn.
Plus our best youngsters should be on the bench today, but they were not.

Players like Barkley Junior,Green,Vellios and Duffy need game time and they should be played more often this season. As should Drenthe.

Moyes has done all he can, it is not good enough.
Time to face the truth, and get the BU to put pressure on Moyes to leave.
All change is not bad, it has been 10years, and no matter what defence you have for Moyes the fact is it is time for a change!!
Brian Waring
247   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:11:52

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The one thing I'm still trying to get my head round in regards to Distin is, why didn't he just play the ball down the line when it was on his stronger foot, instead of turning, and then having to play the ball with his weaker foot?

By the way, I think we need to give Distin a break here.
Brian Dagnall
251   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:05:56

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We didn't throw it away as the headline says, we didn't bottle it as others have said, and it wasn't Moyes who lost the match.

Simply we are just not as good as Liverpool, player for player. We can't retain possession because too many players are cowardly when they have the ball, looking for the easy pass, normally backwards. Yes, Distin made a bad error, but so did Carragher, otherwise we would never have scored.

We were technically second best for most of the match. It's hard to accept defeat against a poor Liverpool team, but frankly they have so many players better than ours. We have 3 or 4 great players, but Gueye, Osman and Neville simply can't play at this level. And sub Coleman adds nothing.

Accept it, the team we have just isn't good enough to rise to the big occasion, not because they lack spirit or bottle, they just don't have the necessary skills.
Brian Waring
254   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:23:16

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Brian, I think it says a lot then about Moyes, if we are playing second fiddle to possibly the worst shite team in their history.
Anto Byrne
256   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:17:39

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There is absolutely no excuse for a highly paid professional footballer to do what Distin did. For David Moyes not to put out an attacking team in the second half and replace Cahill and Magaye with players to at least have a go at the Shite is indefensible. Time is up on Moyes. I pray he fucks off soon.
Nelly Verdonghan
263   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:20:24

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Fellas....when are we all gonna learn....the only thing we can EVER rely on Everton to do is....LET US DOWN
Phil Martin
266   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:31:20

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Christ, we blew the 86 cup final by not turning up for the 2nd half. We just aren't good enough. We have one game plan and with incredibly limited playing staff we can't produce a plan B. Our emerging squad of 4 years ago is no longer. Anichebe or Coleman as our attacking options shows this.

Yes a more adventurous manager might be more entertaining but why worry about this when they'll be provided with the same diminishing resources?
Chris Smith
267   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:40:31

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Distin is a big man to apologise but his error cost us the game. It is that simple. Yes, we played badly but we would probably have held on and his deplorable error gave away all momentum. Gueye was woeful, Cahill was a passenger and Gibson was very poor. Distin's error did for us though...
Mike Gaynes
276   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:51:10

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Well said, Brian Dagnall. A true voice of perspective. And absolutely correct.
Anthony Jones
277   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:52:59

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Jesus, I can't believe some of the shite being spouted here.

If we can play really well and knock out sunderland at home then we can beat Them at Wembley.

Moyes is a pessimist and his negative mind-set in engrained in his players.

I cannot abide the man any more.
Matt Traynor
278   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:52:30

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Phil #266 - More than 1 of the Liverpool players in that 86 Cup Final said they walked out to the 2nd half expecting us to twat them. It was our disjointed start that brought them back into the game. If I remember Gary Stevens had a mare.

Chris #267 Distin's mistake cost us a goal, and brought parity after Carragher's mistake in the first half. How many clear cut chances did we have? How many gilt-edged chances did Carroll have before he scored? The team didn't turn up.
Steven Kendrew
282   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:47:33

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Kevin Sparke is quite right that today was not all the fault of Moyes. The team were nervous the whole game and did sit back deep in the 2nd half. The first half was ok though. Some of the players did freeze (Baines). Moyes would have been imploring them not to sit back, surely... However, he was at fault for not making more positive substitutions. Fellaini should have stayed where he was and Anichebe should have come on for Cahill. Finally, why can't Felly at 6 feet 4 inches win a header....ever!

Also, please can we lay off Distin? Mistakes happen. It just had to be fuckin' today! COYB

(ps: Suarez is a cheating, diving, playacting piece of shit!)
Matt Butlin
288   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:57:10

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There can be no question. The Distin error was the key here. It gifted Liverpool a goal but not just that. It gave them belief as we backed into our shell. Their fans were as flat as a fart until that point.
Matt Traynor
295   Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:06:07

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Matt #288 I don't think anyone is disputing that but they'd been knocking on the door all half, it was just a matter of who was going to open it.

The simple fact here is mentality - some players and teams never give up and always have belief.

Rooney recently said words to the effect of at Man U, if we're chasing the game in the last minute we keep playing in the certain knowledge that we'll get a chance. At Everton we'd just throw a centre back up top.

When Suarez scored that goal I knew we'd get beat. I knew that whilst they would have their tails up etc. we'd have that self-doubt. I'm sure I wasn't the only Evertonian watching who felt that way. And as said elsewhere, it's not like we were creating many chances.

If the manager doesn't take a share of the responsibility for not having a mentally strong team, then why the fuck do we pay one £65k a week?
Gerry Western
299   Posted 14/04/2012 at 17:41:57

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Just got back from Wembley though did not manage to get into the stadium. Gutted by the result but took away some positives and negatives, had a so called Everton fan offer me a £60 ticket for £250 explaining to me he'd happily go back to the pub and watch the semi final if I was prepared to offer him silly money. Contrast that with a young lad from Brazil whom I met in a local bar outside the ground who'd flown in from Portugal in the hope he might get a ticket and was decked out in his EFC top, a truly humbling experience. As for the game itself Moyes had admittedly a few tough decisions to make regrettably however he got them badly wrong. Rather than admit to his own mistakes he chooses to single out a couple of players admittedly Distan made a school boy error but to single out Coleman for the second goal is inexcusable the fact is the central defenders failed to deal with Carroll and we never really troubled their rookie keeper. Osman was chosen to start and did absolutely sod all and yet there is no criticism levelled at his door. We were crying out for width in order to exploit their inexperienced keeper and yet there was precious little. Second half yet again was ultra cautious and we payed the price. We need a new manager. I'd take Martinez in the blink of an eye, yes his teams are teetering on the brink every year, but he really is a manager who has to make do with what he's got and boy does he dig out results when it really matters.
Matt Butlin
300   Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:12:31

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Matt Traynor, I agree.

I might have been different if we hadn't helped them out.

Do we face the fact that for the time being, these games are beyond us?
James Birch
302   Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:13:48

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The guy has had 10 years to put things right; today encapsulated the lack of real progress. Bring back Walter at least shock of shocks he beat the RS at Anfield.
Paul Heron
308   Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:08:31

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I think tactically Dalglish had it sussed. 2 wing backs keeping the pressure on Neville and particularly Baines. Also they were able to cope more effectively with our midfield.

That said, Gibson, Baines, Osman didn't have a good game. Distin has been a star over the last 2 years so I was gutted for him.

We didn't look up for it, in the second half. Almost afraid. We didn't attack. Once they equalised, I knew we would lose.

I am so so so disappointed. Without investment, I just can't see us going anywhere; however, where that investment is coming from is anyone's guess...

I was going out tonight, but decided to stay in. Too low after all that!
Ray Jacques
328   Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:40:28

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As soon as Mr Moyes told us all that the Shite were favourites for the match, it was predictable as to what would happen today.

Why does he always give the players a complex before we play our nearest? We should have gone there today with the mindset that we were the better team and were going control the whole game but yet again we collapse without a fight.

Look at what happened at QPR and Newcastle recently, the RS fell apart when under pressure as their confidence is shot (plus they had their 3rd choice keeper). We should have gone for the second goal today and the game would have been dead after an hour.

Coleman is poor and shouldn't be involved. His stupid foul on Gerrard for the free kick 3 minutes from time was a sure sign of his limitations but he's getting away with it because of Sylvan's error.

Feel sorry for my son and neice on their way home from the game, they are gutted. Me too, but I'm older and have learnt to expect as such but they still believe...............

If we couldn't beat them in a big game today, I don't think we ever will.
Nick Bower
341   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:09:14

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At 1-0 Magueye, whose form on the day was abysmal (like his Manager?s), should have been replaced by Royston Drenthe to apply the killer punch. But where was Drenthe?? And where was Barkley???

I am sorry to say it, but it is now time to say goodbye to Timi who has been a great, but in the last 2 seasons, an increasingly overpaid servant of the club. I suggest a January transfer to the American League where he only has a 14 hour flight to Australia and a 10 hour flight to Blighty. Barkley fix starter from then on.

The Scottish King #2 is dead, Long live King Bilic!!
Bobby Thomas
346   Posted 14/04/2012 at 18:59:11

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The manager ditates the tactics, team shape, morale, mind set and ethos. Moyes is an autocrat. He has 100% control over playing matters. I cannot believe that people think he has nothing to do with the team set up and tactics.

Ask this. Why did liverpool come out, ditate the midfield in the first 15 of the second half? It set the tone for the remainder.

The tactics DO NOT WORK. Before we scored we were reasonably proactive and we engaged them. Even before half time I could see the "pussy mentality" creeping in. I would comment further but blackberrys are shit

Chris Verghoden
352   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:19:23

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At some point, despite all the "we've got no money" arguments, someone is going to have to take responsibility for the fact that in every game of importance in Moyes tenure we have been turned over. Man Utd semi excepted. I'm sure the majority will blame Kenwright, but he doesnt pick the team or dictate tactics. The game today was there to be won. Second half we bottled it. Not Moyes's fault?. Well what the fuck did his half time team talk consist of?!!
Richard Tarleton
353   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:25:53

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We need one thread for this topic and we have three. Comments are applicable under all three headings.
Ajay Gopal
355   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:14:36

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Gerry Western, #299, I too am a fan of Martinez. All the good qualities of Moyes - dignified, honest, good at working within a limited budget, developing players from smaller clubs/countries, etc. But tactically much more astute, a better footballing brain, and possibly - much cheaper! Even if Wigan were to get relegated (which is a strong possibility), we could do worse than having Martinez. Wouldn't mind Brendan Rodgers, Lambert or even Holloway - to be honest.
David Hallwood
359   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:21:13

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Once again an inferiority complex performance with everyone below par save for Jelevic & Fellani. I posted last week that I just couldn't see us beating them. Why wasn't we bombarding a rookie goalie with crosses, they wouldn't have to be the best just anything launched in would've caused a panic in their box
Ian Smitham
361   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:14:57

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Just got back from the game to a cold Peroni. Will need a few tonight, saw Sylvain at the end holding his hands up as he walked on his own. Respect to him, bad error and he knows it.
Chris Verghoden
362   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:29:34

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Bandy all the names you want around ,but £3m a year will tempt many a coach around the world. All I want is a manager who will have a good go at putting silverware on the table. If that person is Moyes than I'm all for it, but with every big game he throws away he convinces me he never will.
Anthony Lamb
366   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:22:14

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Attempting to lay the blame for this defeat at the feet of Distin is a disgrace. Of course he made a dreadful error but so too did Carragher and Agger. Of course it had a major impact on the game, but so too did Carroll's dreadful miss two minutes into the second half - well within the usual ten minutes of the second half when Everton concede. Distin has been a superb centre back this season barely putting a foot wrong while dear old "Timmy" for instance has been getting away with murder never more so than today when his display was beyond woeful and Moyes stands condemned for not replacing him early in the match. Comments regarding the other players who failed to perform are spot on - Osman, Gueye (Do we really think this lad shows any real promise to actually threaten?) Baines, Gibson etc Sure Distin made a mistake but he is human, football is not a precise science but his performance(s) have usually been nothing but praiseworthy, what is unforgiveable is the lack of application and intensity of effort by significant others and the dreadful management of the situation by the manager and his acolytes. That performance was simply an insult to the thousands of loyal fans who attended and the many more who simply willed them on wherever they happened to be in the country - world? Another galling aspect for Evertonians to swallow is that this was not the Liverpool of their golden decades, this was a poor team of whom NOBODY should have been in awe - except of course David Moyes' Everton. Good God even Steven Gerrard did not have to win it for them - that second half display in particular was a disgrace - do not lay the blame for it all at Sylvan Distin's feet.
Ian Smitham
369   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:33:55

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Ray, above, As I have just posted, some sympathy with Distin, but Coleman, what was he thinking about? Or based on what I have seen of him, was he even thinking? Fast but that is it
Joey Cannon
371   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:21:15

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David Moyes is doing an exceptionally good job with very little money. He manages to pull Everton up to the top tier of the league year after year which can't be bad. Just imagine what could be achieved with an injection of true investment. This is what we need, not a change of management. Anyway, James Martin, who would you replace him with ? another foreign manager who can't talk English???

Of course it's disappointing that we get so far and fall at the last hurdle but we are still in the game and dissing the manager and team is certainly not going to help! it does me head in when yiz have a go at him.

I went the Sunderland the game and all I heard in the Gwladys was 'Fuck off, Moyes' ? I hate it, does me head in... hardly ever hear "Go ed lad, he's boss him" "He's sound him" just hear negativity ... no wonder the players can't score at home ? there are too many knobheads who just gang up on them.
Gerard May
372   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:40:52

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Bottled it!

Plain and simple, they created enough chances without Distin handing them one on a plate, off to get more pissed!

No matter what happened today ? ETID!
Marc Williams
379   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:45:23

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Apparently the following broadcast is being picked up on radio frequencies in the North West....

"This is Anfield calling, this is Anfield calling...are you receiving ? "

"Come in agent Moyes your work at Goodison is now well & truly done"

" You are now instructed to proceed along the East Lanc's Road & commence project
manure....over & out "
Ray Jacques
393   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:51:31

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Anthony 366, agree with everything you say.

Joey 371, agree that Moyes does a good job with limited funds over a season; however, today was a one-off game where money has nothing at all to do with it and he again failed miserably when there was a chance to win.

Also why can he not solve our annual poor performances before Xmas, which ruin every season? Or our right-hand side that has been a problem since before the 2009 final??
Raj Singhal
397   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:07:43

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Bottled again! They wanted it more than us to be honest. Why on earth would you try to defend right from the minute we went 1-0 up. There were flipping 66 minutes left against a decent Liverpool side. Man united must have now finalized to appoint Davey as their next manager for his tactical genius!!
Keith O'Brien
409   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:28:52

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I am very disappointed about us today. When we should have been big. bold and defensive we were so shite. Good first half but the second half only one team in it, that was them. I live in Meath and was in my local as th only blue in town. Thanks again EFC for pissing me the fuck off again. We gave in to them second half end of story. Cannot see when we will EVER win ANYTHING.
Joe Bibb
412   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:28:05

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Moyes had Hibbert lined up to come on before they scored vote now with your feet don't renew your season ticket Moyes is crap, The shite brought on Maxi, Bellamy, & Kuyt everyone a goal scorer they wanted to win we brought on a full back and took a forward off we wanted extra time ,The game ended with the shite having three centre forwards on the pitch we had three full backs.
In Moyes we trust, you are having a joke. I will not give Efc one more penny while this clown remains as our manger. and to the ones who say Distan was to blame well it was still 1-1 after that mistake, Moyes cost us the game. 40 games away at Arsenal, The Shite, Chelsea & Man United not one victory but you still tell me has worked Miracles lol you have all been conned by Moyes.
Eddy Bernard
418   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:34:25

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Typical Everton always let you down when it matters most, got use to it over the years but doesnt hurt any less.

Dont blame Distin who has hardly put a foot wrong all season.



As a team we were poor and only led at HT against another poor team thanks to Carragher.



Someone needs to explain where Drenthe was
David Booth
427   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:43:35

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Time we just started ringing them before the game and giving them a bye to saved us all the trouble of turning up... and all the inevitable hurt and embarrassment that go with it.

Could it have been any worse: losing from a one-up to goals from Suarez and Carroll (who else) and then having to get on a tube from Wembley Park full of revolting, vulgar, triumphant Gobshites, as all the Evertonians had left long ago.

Not fair to play the blame game, especially as Distin has been in wonderful form up until this afternoon and let's not go on a Moyes witch hunt again.

The reason/difference was: their mistake galvanised them and doubled their determination to rectify it. Our (first) mistake shattered our brittle belief and destroyed our morale.

They went up a gear. We stalled the car.

Just got home and numb now, as usual. Oh the joys of never-ending derby deja-vu!
Mark Wilson
430   Posted 14/04/2012 at 19:52:45

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Feel utterly desperate. It's impossible to explain to those who do not get what it is to have a lifetime passion for our club, to live sleep and breath the blues, and yet again get let down so badly. It was great to be in amongst that pre match atmosphere. But even that well taken finishers goal couldn't shake the feeling that we simply were not playing. We edged an even first half but both sides were poor. From the kick off the restart just saw us slide deeper and deeper into hold-what-we-have mode, the negativity of pre January back to haunt us and then THAT gut wrenching moment when a fine genuine professional threw away a season in one heart breaking piece of inexcusable, unexplainable madness.

I've seen people on Twitter and here seemingly brush it all away, saying the equivalent of "never mind old chap, these things happen, we don't mind, we love you, carry on regardless". BOLLOCKS to that. I'm not going to abuse the guy. He's had a solid season and mostly earns his vast wages. But this nonsense about writing off that mistake like it doesn't matter that it happened in the biggest derby for 20 years ? What planet are you on ? It was a shocking disgracefully casual schoolboy error in a game that mattered to this club more than many seem to understand.

We were dire in that second half and Coleman was aweful when he came on. Cahill worked hard but was woefully ineffective, again, and Osman should have been playing just behind Jelavic but let's face it, we bottled it, manager included, and the let down is very very hard to take. Those giving it the "never mind worse things happen at sea" analysis ? Well your entitled to your view but I'm a million miles from that right now and will be for a long time.

And the impact ? Massive. No Lazarus style recovery here post January. No Europe and no £7m boost from winning the cup. So that's a close season of what ? Bugger all. Chance gone to give the club a huge boost and maybe, just maybe, turn things round without more Blue Union marches and simmering discontent. It could well lead to Moyes going. He's surely seen a chance of a trophy disappear with that back pass and Colemans idiocy alongside his own absurdly over cautious approach. But then where will he go ?

Please don't tell me not to be angry, let down, ashamed. That was the worst feeling for so long and we brought it all on ourselves. It's just sooo Everton, so bloody hopeless, so predicable.


Richard Tarleton
445   Posted 14/04/2012 at 21:03:58

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i seem to have been watching Everton lose cup games against Liverpool since 1955, when we were doing well in the top division and they were mid-table in the second tier and they came to Goodison and won 4-0 and I as a boy cried. I felt like crying again today. It's that total lack of ambition that kills me. Cahill withdrawn to play virtually in the back four once they scored. No attempt when we were on top to capitalis eon their lack of confidence, instead we handed them all but the last quarter of the pitch and hoped to hold out. The sheer poverty of Moyes's outlook and tactics, it makes me want to weep.
Scott Hamilton
450   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:47:33

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FFS, the anti-Moyes brigade have been quiet this week but have been quick to emerge this afternoon.

We were the better team first half and could have gone in more than 1-0 up.

Distin, who has barely put a foot wrong all season, gave them a lifeline in the second half and the belief that they could win it. Having not spent £100m, our bench was weaker and theirs. They had Bellamy and Kuyt to choose from whilst we brought on a non match fit Seamus Coleman. No, I don't know why Drenthe was not on the bench but there must have been a fucking good reason... Head gone? Issues with family? PMT? Fuck knows...

Yes, we re all gutted. Yes, they were there for the taking. BUT, it was a cup game at Wembley and anything could, and did, happen. Just like it did in the 80's (our hayday, remember?!)

Kopites are a blinkered bunch who can barely see the wood for the trees YET all those that were stood around me said after the game that they didn't deserve to win. Every text I have had from an RS fan this afternoon says that we were the better team. That is unprecedented.

Yes, I'm dead inside. Yes, we should have won. But shit happens, especially in cup games,. Some of the comments on here are utter bollocks. Just cos we didn't win, it doesn't wipe out everything that went before this game. Get some perspective. They paid £35m for a wanker who missed two sitters and scored the winner off the back of his fuckin' pony tail! We paid £5m for the new Kanchelkis/Ferguson hybrid which means good times to come.

Yes, it's hard having to look those kopites in the eyes but, fuck 'em. If they hadn't won today, Dalglish would've been sacked tomorrow. WE ARE STILL THE BETTER TEAM. Go to sleep. wake up. Get some perspective on what happened
Lori Fekete
457   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:48:53

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Be honest, at 1-0 you still knew that those twats Suarez and Carroll would score. Same old Everton letting us down when it really matters.

You think you lot had it bad, I had to go in the Torch after the game listening to the gobshites give all our coaches abuse. Worse time of my life.

Im a peaceful man but If I had a gun I would of gone on a US college style shooting spree.

We always show them too much respect
Ray Jacques
479   Posted 14/04/2012 at 21:36:09

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Scott 450 if you think we were the better team then you are deluded. You say yourself they missed two sitters, did we make any chances at all??? Our goal was as bad a mistake by them as their first was by us..

Jelavic is the real deal but he will be fed up with the chronic service by mid next season.

Their bench contained possible match winners but we turn up without two of our flair players in Drenthe and Barkley.

Think an explanation of what's happened to Drenthe is owed to the fans whatever the situation is. If it was disciplinary then surely he would have been sent back to Madrid? Remember Jô was sent back to City...
Jon Cox
488   Posted 14/04/2012 at 20:58:17

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Bilic
Steve Bryant
490   Posted 14/04/2012 at 21:58:31

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The questions running through my mind are:

1) Did Drenthe really miss out cos of family problems? ? if so, thats fucking lousy timing cos you would have thought he wouldn't miss this one for the world, surely?!!!!

2) Was Felli being pushed forward and Cahill dropping back due to Felli's problems getting around the pitch/injury? Or was it tactical from Moyes? For me it was a possible injury ? Moyes didn't wana take him off cos of his height, skill and because he's fucking good. But it clearly wasn't working as soon as he went forward. Moyes didn't recognise this.

Bringing Coleman on was shocking ? he's just not been at the races this season. It was unfair expecting him to come on and perform miracles and change the game. I hate to say it but he should have got Victor on much much earlier, either as a winger or as a forward to support Jelly.

But in general I just don't think we had enough options on the bench. No Pienaar was massive for us. Things may well have been different if he had been playing. He has been making us tick for months now. We just don't have anyone that can unlock defences like him.

And I would just like to say that Ossie has been treated really unfairly today and previously. He played pretty well today ? not his absolute best but you can't say that many of our players played their best today either. Lay off Ossie.

For today's defeat, I blame Distin for his ridiculous backpass, lack of options on the bench, Moyes's tactics and substitutions, and lack of Pienaar. These are the reasons we lost. You could argue that if Distin hadn't made the backpass then the game may have taken a completely different course... But goals change games and it gave the psychological advantage to Liverpool - and it gave them the belief to go on and win. It knocked the stuffing out of me so god knows what it did to the team.

But these things happen. I would still have expected we could have made it to extra time though... And that this didn't happen, the blame lays squarely with Moyes and his tactics.
Brian Waring
492   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:01:31

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Steve, Fellaini going up front was tactical, because Moyes has done it before today.
Colin Grierson
496   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:02:13

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Once again we hand them a victory. I'm not blaming Distin or Coleman, although I could have called Coleman's rash challenge. Moyes never went for them. They made attacking changes while we brought on Coleman. I've wasted too much of my life hoping Moyes would prove me wrong.
How biased where ESPN by the way? REDNOSED CUNTS!
Tony Dove
497   Posted 14/04/2012 at 21:53:14

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This was the last chance saloon to cleanse some of the shit shat upon us by the shite over the past 40 years.

Result: humiliation.

Moyes ? P45 along with the snails: Osman, Gibson, Heitinga and Cahill. Distin's been our best player for two seasons so give him a break.
Alex Willett
499   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:12:30

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Thank you very much, David Moyes. Now, PISS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ian Edwards
500   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:05:14

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Whatever Moyes said at half time he should have kept it to himself and left the players alone.

When it really matters in big games Moyes bottles it - Villarreal at home, Chelsea at home League cup semi , Chelsea final and now today.

Jelavic was left isolated and Moyes response to the continual red wave was like for like subs.

Dalglish wanted to win and at the end had 4 attackers on the pitch in Carroll suarez Bellamy and Maxi. We had Jelavic and er that is it....

Even in the last minute of injury time when we need a goal Cahill was giving away throw ins by our own corner flag.

Why wasnt Anichebe on sooner? Why didnt he throw Straq on? Even Mcfadden would have been better than nothing.

Did Moyes cut his nose off to spite his face over Drenthe? LIke he did with Van Der Meyde in 2009 (The man who won us the game against Liverpool but snubbed for the final). Obviously Coleman tracks back and is in bed by 10pm like a good boy. Well we saw Coleman tracking back today for the 2nd goal.

Moyes lets us down when it matters because he is a coward. Always will. Lets hope Spurs are foolish enough to take him in the summer and I make no apologies for saying that he can take all his groupies with him as well like (Ken)Dodd, Wilson, (Not a bright) Sparke and Smitham. You support him and any hurt you feel today is self inflicted.
Ian Smitham
501   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:04:45

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Mark above, #430, just to bring a bit of perspective to your comments, How much is winning the FA Cup worth and can you point me in the direction of your source of information?

Me, I always look upon our neighbours as gobshites.
Colin Grierson
502   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:14:19

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Osman is a class act and deserves to play in an attacking side where he would gain the plaudits he deserves. Stop looking further than Moyes for people to blame.
Chris Verghoden
503   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:16:55

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Scott @ 450 ..you are deluded!!! Utter shit that 2nd half. Abject surrender and it's not the first time in a game of significance during Moyes time
Mick Fleming
504   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:09:07

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Scott 450. Not long back from the game and I am trying to figure out which game you were at today. I agree with almost every post.

We bottled it. I was sat high up and had a great view, I couldn't see any shape to our team and we were all over the place. It's as if the team had never played together so what the fuck have we been doing in training. What did Moyes tell them at half time. Couldn't win any 50 50 balls and just hoofed at every opportunity. I failed to see, along with everyone around me, how we were the better side.

Devoid of ideas, panicked whenever they came near us, backed off and generally ran around like chickens with no heads. We truly were shite and once again were let down by Moyes and his negativity.

If we had of played well, give it our all, tested the keeper, died for the shirt and ran through brick walls I am sure the posts would have read different on here.
John Crawley
507   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:18:54

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There are moments of truth that have occurred in David Moyes managerial career with Everton. This was another one and like pretty much all of the others he blew it with his tactics and outlook. Fiorentina away - completely froze.

Chelsea away in Carling Cup Semi-Final when they went down to 10 men - sat back and didn't capitalise.
Numerous games away to Man Utd & Liverpool - same negative tactics same results. Think of the two games when Liverpool have beaten us with 10 men because we didn't know how to play in a positive attacking manner.

Today was another moment of truth, the result we sat back and didn't try to capitalise on taking the lead. David Moyes is a good but limited manager, I don't think he has got what it takes and come the summer its time for a change
Alex Willett
516   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:38:25

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Moyes team talk at halftime??? 'Alright boys, so far so, so, good, NOW!! Go out and loose!!! You're ruining my life you bastard!!!!
Bob Willis
519   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:33:37

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I'm beginning to think that I know fuck all about football - then again I think I know enough to see that my Wembley trip was a complete and utter total fucking despair.

What a balls-up. If ever there was a chance to roll that load of shite over this was it - instead ?? Well you know the rest.

This is a defining moment for Everton FC - something must give. It's time for a change.

I spent time before the match talking to a young lad about this great club of ours - I have never been for the BU but he was 100%. At half time I told him we were going to win. At full time he was in tears and I shook his hand and told him things would only get better - with the club.

I've never felt so much of a cheat - building that poor lads hopes up - when I have none myself.
Martin Berry
520   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:35:27

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It's 22:35 now and I've had time to reflect from my initial post-match thoughts. We never turned up today. First half possibly shaded it but both teams were shite. Second half was an embarrassment but am I surprised? Been watching Everton since early 70s and, since then, have had to put up with their dominance over us. Even in our glory years of the 80's we still lost regularly to them.

I thought today might have been different but alas no. Distin, don't blame you mate if you're reading this, although it was a howler. I blame most of the team for yet another dismal performance against the shite. Am I surprised? Am I fuck.
Bob Willis
525   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:56:17

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So much emotion, so much despair, so much hurt, so much 'second best' - No 'Nil Satis nisi Optimum' - we are in dire straits!!

Roman Sidey
534   Posted 14/04/2012 at 22:07:55

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Joey Cannon, absolute codswoddle. Most of the players in our team that are playing the better football don't "talk English", so why would the first language of a manager make a difference. I'd rather listen to a Chinese teenager's voice cracking than another of Moyes' interviews where the only adjective he knows how to use is "great".

Scott Hamilton, it's not even really the MOB that are into it today. Most of the Moyes bashing today has been along the lines of "I've supported him until now" posts.

Distin's backpass was dreadful, but to read his Twitter statement and listen to his post-match interview, there is a man willing to take responsibility like a man should. How many times has Moyes completely shit the bed to cost us games? Have you ever heard him come out and say, "That was my fault"? No, the closest we got was "We weren't playing attractive football and that could have been my fault", which is going around the point. Even Coleman, a very young man, has taken responsibility for his actions.

Moyes has to leave, but for him to do it with a shred of dignity, he has to apologise to the fans for what has conspired this season - one of our worst first half seasons in short memory, a complete surrender at Anfield, a no-show at Wembley, and the mystery behind Drenthe who has been in our top two or three players this season.

That last one about Drenthe, it needs explaining, plain and simple.
Roman Sidey
542   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:10:50

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And any criticism levelled at Osman today is warrented, in my opinion. Had the ball taken off him at his feet by someone running in the same direction. Could have passed to Jelavic to set up a goal, waited cos he's a greedy little pric, then pushed the ball along the ground like he was a two year old girl. Powder puff shot straight at Jones (third string shit heap and no pressure). Slow movement to get to anything near him. The list goes on, and to watch him today, he looked like he should be playing League 2.

Today certainly wasn't his fault, as he wasn't any worse than Cahill, Baines, and Moyes, but people sticking up for him need to come to terms with the fact that at 31, he has never become a footballer, an only a clueless manager has kept him in a job.

Don't know how anyone has missed that today's loss was all Hibbo's fault.
Mark Riding
543   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:24:46

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Roman, I think I got a cheeky blame Hibbert in earlier on another thread...
Ian Edwards
544   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:27:48

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If Joe Royle was in charge we would have won today.

He's about the same age as Dalglish. Get shut of Dreary and give it to Joe even if its Caretaker.
Mark Wilson
548   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:10:24

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Ian #501 I thought the winner gets £5m ? Made up of winners prize plus gate share plus TV ? May be wrong and 7m a bit OTT I agree but in our world £5m is an absolute fortune. Still, I will wander off and get some "perspective" humming Always Look on the Bright Side, maybe that will make me realise today was "just one of those things".

Look, you must be allowed to have your idea of "perspective", I get that of course I do. But today I simply can't get past my version which says we again failed to turn up when it mattered most.
Ian Smitham
553   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:38:10

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Mark, I read your last line and see the passion, it was a long drive home for me, and Peroni is the only solution.

I am certain the Wnners get £900,000. And that is it

As if that helps my misery.
Ian
Jon Cox
554   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:33:19

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For perspective see laughing stock. Cos the pub I was in thats exactly what we were.
Roman Sidey
558   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:45:53

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Sorry, Mark Riding. This is the only thread I've been reading thus far. Good shout though.
Steve O'Malley
565   Posted 14/04/2012 at 23:48:50

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I'm sitting here the morning after wondering why I feel so devastated by what happened. When all said and done it's not like I haven't experienced this feeling before.
I think it has something to do with the fact that I along with many other True Believers thought it was going to be our day. The worst Liverpool team in the 50 years I have been following the Blues, bad even when they have one of the best keepers in the premier league. As luck would happen he gets a ban. The confidence rises even further. The only option left is a 3rd rate Aussie and I go up another notch.
Your mind goes back to fundamentals which mean that as soon as the game starts you are going to bombard this poor bloke with shots and hope he fucks up at least one to dent any smidgen of confidence he has. Inswinging corners to inflict more pain.
As it happens none of this happens in fact just about the only time the bloke has to touch the ball is to pick it out of the net. No real attacking threat, let's concentrate on stopping Glen Johnson down the right. We need 2 men on him so Magaye don't even think about a forage forward.
Fuck I'm driving myself mad going over and over this game. For me if it only results in the departure of Gordon Lee (apologies to the younger set who may not know who he is) AKA David Moyes then it will have achieved something.
I think Alan Curbishley is around, he was brought up at West Ham in an era where playing attractive football meant something.
Thanks Davies for some good memories unfortunately that is not what I personally will remember you for.
Paul Ferry
590   Posted 15/04/2012 at 01:34:22

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It's hard to put in words this feeling of utter utter dejection, isn't it? Me, I've been lying slumped on the sofa since 8-30AM in Chicago, like a beached mong, after two bottles of champagne. A lifeless lump. Thank God she has gone to what is called a baby shower over here. Baby shower: apt, in my gloom and doom I keep running through how those shower of babies played in the 2nd half.

Samuel Barber;s Adagio for Strings is being played over and over again on my Ipod. It's perfect for how I feel. Empty, So sad, And, quite frankly, just plain exhausted and drained. We ought to play Barber's Adagio when we run out at Manure. Or better still: Z-Cars before the game, Barber after it. It brings to mind the complete desolate wasteland that is my life right now and fuck it's only 7-10.

This is worse than Maine Rd. i was there, but was a lot younger and somehow more breezy in my trendy fuck-flares straight legs and cool design wear. In 1977 I always felt that we would win; always sunshine after the rain. Even in the 80s, a decade later, we lost big ones, we aced big ones, and I was always felt that falling at the last fence was okay coz we would coast the next race,

This is the lowest I have ever felt supporting the blues for four decades now. I am in the slough of despond. I've never felt this bad. Never. Pure exhaustion. Nothing left. I'll get up tomorrow though and soldier on like all of you, but something is lost today and I don't know if I will ever get it back. i was monged by 6-20 dancing round the kitchen to grand old and the banks, I'm 46 FFS!





I don't blame Distin; my respect for him has in fact grown. I can't, however, forget how Cahill, Osman, Baines, Guye, and Coleman played.

I'm sick of you Moyes. Just sick of you. But I'm too monged to put this into sensible prose. It's just a huge gut feeling I have about you. I'm sick of you. I can't watch anything to do with this abject surrender or about you. I'm sick of you. That's all. You have caused me more pain than any other EFC manager (maybe coz you have had more time to do so). I cannot say anything more rational or smart than I just want you to walk out of the door and let someone else walk in. I'm sick of you. You do not feel how I, a lifelong blue, and all of us on here feel. You had a bad day at the office; a professional slip up, and you feel bad about letting down your employers and supporters, at least I hope you do at any rate. I on the other had, along with all of you on here, have had our emotions and lives turned upside down. We've had life sucked out of us. No one on that team bus on the A-40 (nice story of Coleman being dropped off, picking his stuff out of the book and hopping into a waiting silver merc - priceless, symptomatic, symbolic, shambolic( feels like we do, unless they grew up in God's city. Bad day at the office boys; me, us, this is Helj, just fucking Hell,
Tom Laskaris
593   Posted 15/04/2012 at 01:40:41

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Gutted! Andy Carroll of all fucking people???

This made me feel a little better. Hope it helps you all somewhat. If the shite meet Chelsea in the final they could in fact meet an in form Torres who could bang in a couple against them.

If the shite don't win the cup and we finish above them then their season will be a complete failure as we all know no-one really gives a shit about the carling cup. King Kenny will be gone and we can all truly rejoice. I know there's alot of maybes but I need them at this point.

Ps- big shout out to all the true evertonians at Pign'whistle Brisbane last night. About 50 of us there and we served club proud. Lost with humility and class even though our team lacked the latter.
Paul Ferry
594   Posted 15/04/2012 at 01:34:22

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It's hard to put in words this feeling of utter utter dejection, isn't it? Me, I've been lying slumped on the sofa since 8-30AM in Chicago, like a beached mong, after two bottles of champagne. A lifeless lump. Thank God she has gone to what is called a baby shower over here. Baby shower: apt, in my gloom and doom I keep running through how those shower of babies played in the 2nd half.

Samuel Barber;s Adagio for Strings is being played over and over again on my Ipod. It's perfect for how I feel. Empty, So sad, And, quite frankly, just plain exhausted and drained. We ought to play Barber's Adagio when we run out at Manure. Or better still: Z-Cars before the game, Barber after it. It brings to mind the complete desolate wasteland that is my life right now and fuck it's only 7-10.

This is worse than Maine Rd. i was there, but was a lot younger and somehow more breezy in my trendy fuck-flares straight legs and cool design wear. In 1977 I always felt that we would win; always sunshine after the rain. Even in the 80s, a decade later, we lost big ones, we aced big ones, and I was always felt that falling at the last fence was okay coz we would coast the next race,

This is the lowest I have ever felt supporting the blues for four decades now. I am in the slough of despond. I've never felt this bad. Never. Pure exhaustion. Nothing left. I'll get up tomorrow though and soldier on like all of you, but something is lost today and I don't know if I will ever get it back. i was monged by 6-20 dancing round the kitchen to grand old and the banks, I'm 46 FFS!





I don't blame Distin; my respect for him has in fact grown. I can't, however, forget how Cahill, Osman, Baines, Guye, and Coleman played.

I'm sick of you Moyes. Just sick of you. But I'm too monged to put this into sensible prose. It's just a huge gut feeling I have about you. I'm sick of you. I can't watch anything to do with this abject surrender or about you. I'm sick of you. That's all. You have caused me more pain than any other EFC manager (maybe coz you have had more time to do so). I cannot say anything more rational or smart than I just want you to walk out of the door and let someone else walk in. I'm sick of you. You do not feel how I, a lifelong blue, and all of us on here feel. You had a bad day at the office; a professional slip up, and you feel bad about letting down your employers and supporters, at least I hope you do at any rate. I on the other had, along with all of you on here, have had our emotions and lives turned upside down. We've had life sucked out of us. No one on that team bus on the A-40 (nice story of Coleman being dropped off, picking his stuff out of the book and hopping into a waiting silver merc - priceless, symptomatic, symbolic, shambolic( feels like we do, unless they grew up in God's city. Bad day at the office boys; me, us, this is Helj, just fucking Hell,
Peter Barry
610   Posted 15/04/2012 at 03:37:27

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As Evertonians we all invest in the team be it emotionally, for those of us unable to get to matches, or financially by those fortunate enough to have both the money and the geographical ability to do so. So we are entitled to our opinions and pathetic the Moyesophiles have no right whatsoever to try and 'metaphorically' shout us down.

That being said I am amazed that people are 'SURPRISED' by the tactically inept, defensive 'play not to lose' performance that Everton gave yesterday. Those of who have been telling you for years that this is a TYPICAL Moyes Team performance have been proved right once again . There is no way forward for Everton with this pathetic individual in charge and that should by now be painfully obvious to even the most deluded Moyes sychophant.
Roman Sidey
621   Posted 15/04/2012 at 04:44:35

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Tom Laskaris, my mate texted me about 9pm and said you boys were in full voice by that point. Wish I could have been there but am moving to Hervey Bay today. I was at Pig N Whistle for the 2009 final, and can only hope that this year didn't produce another "pint debacle" that some Chelsea scum thought up last time. If you were there, you know what I'm talking about.
Anto Byrne
640   Posted 15/04/2012 at 06:50:22

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I'm now looking towards the Utd game... I don't think we will see any youngsters given a run. Vellios and Barkley in for a run?
Mark Farrar
650   Posted 15/04/2012 at 09:12:08

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Well, I've slept on it and don't feel much better to be honest. This is the darkest day in the club's history...a hat-trick of defeats to the worst Shite side I can remember. Have even had calls from Red offering consulation, feeling sorry for us... Jesus, I never thought I'd see it.

Just taking in some of the comments on the offical EFC site, it's all, "unlucky sylvan", "don't worry, we can finish 7th", "great effort, lads, now let's push for Europa" ...blah, blah, fucking blah ? is this what it's come to? Acceptance of failure... by the "fans"?

To be fair, I have some simpathy with Distin. He got the run around at Anfield and it happened again. I know, why not use the fuckin England international centre-back we've got sat with his feet up on the bench?

Moyes choked again, end of. He played his shit containment football once again when it matters and got what we deserved: humiliation at the hands of the Shite again. I don't know why he didn't kneel before King Kenny at the final whistle just to cap things off.

No doubt we will go to Old Trafford next week and put in a performance when there's fuck all to play for. But for me, without investment and change, this is the end for us... Last one out of our beloved Goodison, turn off the lights.....
Ray Jacques
652   Posted 15/04/2012 at 08:24:56

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Woke up this morning, don't feel any better and the three bottles of wine didnt work.

Distin- top professional,possibly our best player over the season and anyone who's ever played football will know that things like that can happen. He is to blame for the first goal but not the defeat. Based on the 2nd half display we deserved to lose.

David Moyes- think after 10 years at one club its all gone a bit stale and the same pattern emerges each year. Poor football and results until after Xmas (first time i walked out of Goodison this season with a good feeling was City on 31 Jan), and his timid tactics in the big games has cost us on numerous occassions.

Yesterday was our time to win for many reasons such as our recent form and their current disarray and the players didnt believe we could do it. The mentality of the team is the responsibility of the manager and his staff. They make an individual mistake for our goal and it galvanises them, we do similar and fall to pieces.

As supporters we now have to debate if we want to continue as we are because based on the past 5 years of play, next season will be the same story, (probably without a cup run) or do we want a change??

Consider the following:-

1) If Moyes is as good as the media etc make him out to be then its only because of his brilliant management that we are in the Premier League. The press have us believe that because of our chronic funding then without him we will be fighting relegation or indeed go down.

2) Would a new manager be able to maintain our Premier League position but in addition to this when the big games arrive (ie the games we will always remember over the coming years) be able to cope with the situation? Sadly i dont think Moyes can.

3) If Moyes went to a club that threw money at him to buy players would he become a winner of trophies?

IMO i would like to see a change .

I hope Moyes gets a shot at Spurs and we can then observe from the outside whether he is a top manager without our emotions being involved.

We can then appoint a new manager, (personally i would take Martinez if he was willing ) and lets see what happens.

We are now known universally as ' Everton who have no money but punch above their weight because of the manager'. Perhaps that should be the new club motto as Nil Satis is now a bit of a joke....

We all know that Moyes is unsackable and bullet proof at Everton and perhaps thats the real problem as he doesnt have to win. Its not expected, hence we always fall short when the situation arises when he really has to pull out the stops and win a big game.

Mark McDonald
662   Posted 15/04/2012 at 09:32:09

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Gutted and totally disapointed like all Blue Boys but lets face reality - we have 5 games to go and I feel they have to be the last 5 games under Moyes. He should resign straight after the Newcastle game. I have expressed my reasons numerous times in this forum.

Say his good byes and move on. He has taken us as far as he can. Under Moyes there have been some highs and some lows. If he is targeted for a "bigger" club then better he be "unemployed" rather than still being Everton manager and then leave us for the other club. This would tanish his 10 year service as Everton manager especially with the fans. He is a proud man and still has support amongst certain Blues fans but for enough is enough.
Lee Baines
683   Posted 15/04/2012 at 10:25:35

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Absolutely sick. The sad thing is, I knew we wouldn't win even after we went 1-0 up, in fact, I think you could say I knew we wouldn't win BECAUSE we went 1-0 up.

It was Chelsea all over again - score the opening goal, and then sit back and try again to unsuccessfully defend a lead. It was the same against Sporting Lisbon away a few years ago.

People on here have been slating Moyes for the fact we lack creativity and thrust going forward...this has had the added drawback of papering over the cracks defensively...we're fucking shite defensively! The midfield offered the defence no protection, whatsoever, and the defence didn't cover themselves in glory either.

Got to put a word in here for Phil Neville, too - thought he worked his bollocks off. He had the 'big-game mentality' where others (I'm looking at you Baines, Osman, Gibson, Gueye, Coleman). Moyes just can't seem to fucking motivate - Feel like strangling someone!!!

Yes, the Shite have spent over £100m more than us this season, but for me, they wanted it more than we did. Simple as. It wasn't a questionable refereeing decision; it wasn't a dive for a penalty; it wasn't a clear foul in the build up of their goal(s) - and that's what hurts the most...they were just better than us. They had that desire, the desire we ALWAYS seem to lack. And that, for me, is Moyes's fault.

Never mind though, eh, I'm sure the players are just as gutted as we are...don't doubt Cahill et al are cut-up this morning as they wake up in their £m mansions and climb in their Bugatti Veyrons - they'll be just as fucked off as the ordinary Evertonian that's just spunked more than a week's wages up wall to make a 10 hour round trip to London to watch us embarrassed by the wall-pushing twats across the park.

Cheers, lads.
Dan San
754   Posted 15/04/2012 at 13:00:59

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If it's just the way that our team of good men can't beat a team of pillocks, because they're a team of pillocks, then so be it. We have some good men...

If it's difficult for the team's mentality to defeat the rivals, then, yes, that's hard to take as a fan... but it's a lot easier than being in The Championship.
John Crawley
800   Posted 15/04/2012 at 14:47:14

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Enough of this bollocks that it is in our DNA to bottle it. What do you think Alan Ball would be thinking now if he heard this crap. The way that we play, the mindset that we adopt, our ability to bounce back from adversity that all springs from the manager.

The simple fact is that Moyes is not a good enough manager. He's had 10 years to win something, he hasn't, he has failed. Its time to move on and give someone else a chance.
David Price
842   Posted 15/04/2012 at 16:58:15

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Usually on Toffeeweb, it inclines me to try and add balance to some over the top negative comments.
This time i can't, everything on here is spot on.
The negative mind set that ran through the team has to come from some-where and it pains to me to agree that It's from Moyes.
I said to a Blue outside Wembley on the way out, that i'll never forgive Distin and still feel the same now. Why when on his left side, didn't he knock the ball the way is he was facing down the left channel. Negative mind set made him turn back and fuck up.
Baines never crossed the half way line, negative mind set, who knows.
To go on more is just to repeat what everyone have said.
There was a football first however, Everton had two players booked on the basis of assumption.
Webb assumed Distin elbowed Suarez, when replays showed his fingernail caught the tip of Suarez's left nostril, who then fell to ground as though the sniper bullet from a Malcolm X wannabe seeking revenge.
Secondly, Jelavic was assumed to have retaliated to Skrtyl's challenge, by lunging his right bollock into the studs of the defenders boot.
Why he wasn't sent off for that stamp, as Webb must have seen it to book him for the assault i can't work out.
No Bolletelli retro justice here i guess, wouldn't want to upset Kenny would we?
My seats were right of centre, near to the Red side and for the record they think their own team is full of shite as well, cracks papered over now but they're not bothered too much i guess.
I'm left with the memory of my lad sat alongside me, slumped forward in his seat, head in his hands when the winner went in.
Another fucking generation of hurt, well and truly under way.
Thanks for nothing lads.

David Price
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Usually on Toffeeweb, it inclines me to try and add balance to some over the top negative comments.
This time i can't, everything on here is spot on.
The negative mind set that ran through the team has to come from some-where and it pains to me to agree that It's from Moyes.
I said to a Blue outside Wembley on the way out, that i'll never forgive Distin and still feel the same now. Why when on his left side, didn't he knock the ball the way is he was facing down the left channel. Negative mind set made him turn back and fuck up.
Baines never crossed the half way line, negative mind set, who knows.
To go on more is just to repeat what everyone have said.
There was a football first however, Everton had two players booked on the basis of assumption.
Webb assumed Distin elbowed Suarez, when replays showed his fingernail caught the tip of Suarez's left nostril, who then fell to ground as though the sniper bullet from a Malcolm X wannabe seeking revenge.
Secondly, Jelavic was assumed to have retaliated to Skrtyl's challenge, by lunging his right bollock into the studs of the defenders boot.
Why he wasn't sent off for that stamp, as Webb must have seen it to book him for the assault i can't work out.
No Bolletelli retro justice here i guess, wouldn't want to upset Kenny would we?
My seats were right of centre, near to the Red side and for the record they think their own team is full of shite as well, cracks papered over now but they're not bothered too much i guess.
I'm left with the memory of my lad sat alongside me, slumped forward in his seat, head in his hands when the winner went in.
Another fucking generation of hurt, well and truly under way.
Thanks for nothing lads.

Andy Meighan
853   Posted 15/04/2012 at 17:11:00

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I said to my two brothers before the Sunderland replay, "I won't give a flying fuck if we get beat tonight because we all know what's going to happen at Wembley."

I really wish we'd have got beat at Sunderland. Why, oh why, has that shithouse Moyes got such a mental block against them? It defies belief.

I knew at half-time yesterday that we would come out in the 2nd half and play in that manner. It didn't surprise me one bit. He's done some good things for the club but surely them clowns in the boardroom now know that were never going to win anything while he's in charge.

Yesterday, as 13 March, was another chance to rub their noses in it, but no.... the coward bottles it again. Enough is enough now. Time for a change.
Amit Vithlani
906   Posted 15/04/2012 at 18:51:51

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David Price know how you feel mate. Was sat here in SA with my wife, young son and some friends and when the shite scored the winner she turned to me and said "you don't expect him to support this lot do you? I'm not going to let him grow up getting the mickey taken by other kids!". A couple of our guests were Reds, and although they maintained a smug silence, every where else the ecstatic bellows of shite-lovers echoed across our apartment block.

Inside I was absolutely gutted but if I had spent rest of the day moping around she would have been vindicated..instead we cracked open a bottle of South Africa's finest red and I kept smiling through gritted teeth.

Bet there were a few blues experiencing much the same...
Mike Hughes
910   Posted 15/04/2012 at 18:58:52

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David / Amit.

I sympathise with your kids' pain but being a Blue builds character.

Imagine if they turn red - having whining, smug, sanctimonious little brats who keep falling over when they don't get their own way...

One Blue is worth a thousand Reds.
Amit Vithlani
917   Posted 15/04/2012 at 19:10:13

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Mike, you're right ofcourse, Evertonians are born not made. Its just that this type of "character building" is sadly becoming all too frequent these days....
Mike Hughes
918   Posted 15/04/2012 at 19:18:48

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Amit, you're right. I'm writing this from my padded cell...
Mark Riding
925   Posted 15/04/2012 at 19:22:07

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Mike / Amit, are kids still going to be interested in going the game if we dont offer 'the product' ?
Its all different now..
A a parent who's kids are becoming Blues, and not living on Merseyside anymore, its harder than you think.. They do really, no shit, get stick at school for wearing Everton gear.. I tell them what any other Evertonian would.. but without anything recent to show trophy wise, its getting harder.
Paul Carr
936   Posted 15/04/2012 at 19:25:49

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Pictures in today's papers show that Carroll's header was a fluke- he was stopped from jumping properly by Fellaini foollishly holding his shirt. Next time why not try jumping for the ball rather than fouling your opponent.No doubt without that assist the ball would have gone way over the bar And surely Distin should be marking Carroll at set pieces?

And when Drenthe was dropped from the bench surely Barclay should have replaced him not McFadden.

Such strange decisions ultimately cost us.
Amit Vithlani
007   Posted 15/04/2012 at 21:30:07

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Mark I live overseas and I know exactly what you are talking about. The game is a global product now, and the big clubs are big brands which get rammed down the throats of youngsters.

The result is that the peer pressure is intense to follow one of the big teams. The parents I know take their kids along on a Saturday to Barcelona, Man U club houses etc. We don't really have this type of reach, and a kid following the blues could easily feel left out.

Yet, like the missionaries of old, we will have to find a way of spreading the gospel amongst the masses. After all, you don't choose, you get chosen to follow God's own team.
Joe Gresham
045   Posted 15/04/2012 at 22:41:24

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Now that we know that it will be a Chelsea vs Liverpool final, what do you think will be the outcome of the game?

Once again, I'm chanting COYB
Tom Laskaris
102   Posted 16/04/2012 at 03:22:02

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Mark/Amit- I sympathise, I'm in exactly the same boat living in Australia. There isnt an Everton legacy in our family. My parents arent english and my dad didn't care that much for football. I on the other hand was a fanatic from a very young age. As a kid, in the early 80's we only ever got one televised english football match on the tv per year...the fa cup final.

My first ever fa cup experience was in 1984 at the tender age of 9 - Everton v Watford. I had a new hero after that game, Graeme Sharp and a new team to boot. My passion grew from there year after year. My new Everton legacy took hold in sleepy little Brisbane Australia whilst all around me my best mates proudly paraded their LFC, Manc and Arsenal strips and continually reminded me of how many european trophies they had won. And yet through thick and thin I persevered with the Toffees. Would have been much easier to change clubs let me tell you.

My two young blokes are now 10 and 8 and have a wardrobe full of everton strips, bed sheets posters etc etc- all the stuff i could of only dreamt of having. They are Tim Cahill tragics and love the club I love.

In 2009 I travelled to the FA cup final. It was dream come true for me and although we lost, it's something I'll never ever forget. I met so many different Evertonians from so many different parts of the world, it made me feel strangely enough like I was home. Like I had met a family I didn't know existed.

My kids get picked on for being blue. After 3-0 loss at anfield my eldest couldn't face his mates at school. It broke my heart. He'd suffer just as I had suffered for 17 plus years since we last won anything. And although I kept telling him "son , its only a game" I knew and he knew ,I didnt really believe that.

I pray for the best but plan for the worst these days. I try to manage my expectations and that of my kids but it doesnt really help. We had them at half time. We had them!!! My liverpool mates were quiet. For the first time in 20 plus years they were quiet and their kids who were now my kids best mates were also quiet. I was proud. My kids were proud. And then that goal. I couldn't believe it. Andy Carroll??? My kids were looking at me as if to say "dad did that go in, have we lost again?" It's only a game kids. It broke my heart.

I know it'll pass but i doubt my kids will bother with this club. And right now, i dont blame them.
Mick Davies
110   Posted 16/04/2012 at 06:09:44

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The mentality of some of these posters is bewildering: how can McFadden be to blame for a defeat when he wasn't ever on the park? And what has beating Sunderland got to do with the semi final? Sunderland were absolute shite, as were West Brom. We are sometimes deluded by victories that aren't as overwhelming as they seem. And the only argument for Moyes is he is better than Walter and Walker.
Well if that's good enough for any Evertonian then he/she is not living by the motto. £15m for a useless wooly headed clown who would be better kicking at goal for St Helens and a heavyweight bruiser who comes on, scores a fluke against a poor Sunderland team and gets a shout ahead of Straq. Sorry but I'm finished until we have a change of manager. I support Everton, not Moyes/Round
Agi Harrar
124   Posted 16/04/2012 at 08:53:32

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Does anyone know that if the table stays as it is and Chelsea win the fa cup, do we get into the Europa cup?
Paul Carr
129   Posted 16/04/2012 at 09:03:27

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Agi 124
No- Chelseaa, Newcastle and Liverpool would be in the Euopa Cup. We need Chelsea to win the Champions League which is unlikely.
Alan Rycroft
147   Posted 16/04/2012 at 10:10:47

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Dear All,
My deepest commiserations for the other day - another blue heart broken. I took small comfort from the fact that there are even more dreadful teams than us! Spurs were a joke and a half what's happened to those guys? To try and relieve the gloom with some humour I came up with some nicknames for spineless Spurs:
Adebayawn
Chris Bailout
Scott losthissparker
Van de fart
Ledlie Queen
Lucas muchtoorich...

Alan
Tony J Williams
152   Posted 16/04/2012 at 10:24:19

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Shit game, shit performance. Didn't think they would score until we gifted them the chance.

No bench to rely upon and unbelievably Baines and Gibson decide to have their worst game for us in the same game.

They all bottled it from the manager to the players, but unlike many on here, I will not just blame the manager.

He was let down by his better players and let down by that pisshead Drenthe...he can get ter fuck too.

No bottle at all in the whole team.
David Minahan
185   Posted 16/04/2012 at 12:08:37

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Paul Carr-129.Sorry but I don't think it would help us if Chelsea were to win the Champions League.
There is now a rule that no more than four clubs from the same country can qualify for the Champions League! If Chelsea win it and finish outside the top four the fourth placed club would presumably have to take the final Europa place.!

If they were to win and finish in the top four it wouldn't have any effect on the Europa situation either way!
Terry McLavey
256   Posted 16/04/2012 at 15:05:20

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Agi #124 Please don't inflict us on the Europa Cup, leave it to a football team.
Brian Waring
260   Posted 16/04/2012 at 15:11:38

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Joe (#045) hate to say it, and it sticks in my throat, but the shite will turn them over.
Mick Davies
294   Posted 16/04/2012 at 16:23:41

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This link is a very interesting assessment of the two teams and especially managers' thinking and performances

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