"I hope that the chairman will be able to loosen the purse strings during the summer."
With finances tighter than ever at Goodison and the Club losing about £5m a year, Fellaini is unlikely to get his wish. David Moyes has had to sell to buy in recent years and unless Bill Kenwright finds a buyer or, less likely, some large-scale investment this summer, that's likely to continue.
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794 Posted 17/04/2012 at 14:49:41
795 Posted 17/04/2012 at 14:48:48
799 Posted 17/04/2012 at 14:57:07
Theres only two players i would resist all bids for,Baines and Jelavic.I would put a price on everyone elses head.
It might set us back in the short term but we really do need to bring the debt and wage bill down.There are good players in the championship who would'nt cost or earn much like Whittingham and Snodgrass.
Plus players from relegated sides,Hennessey,Jarvis and Fletcher at Wolves.
800 Posted 17/04/2012 at 14:56:36
You have split opinion over the past 3 years but i can see you performing well at one of the top boys with better players around.
Cannot say i blame you if you left after witnessing the lack of ambition and energy from the majority of your team mates (and manager) on Saturday.
804 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:04:23
808 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:15:13
810 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:17:26
813 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:22:00
814 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:26:10
817 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:28:03
Applying pressure to the board in some little way.
Atleast then , if Fellani does moves on. His excuse is already there. He can say that the boards ambitions for the club did not match his own.
819 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:29:14
Felli has been first class and I would hate to see him go. Jelavic, Neville and Felli were the only players who gave 100% last Saturday. Hope we're able to wheel and deal this summer.
820 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:36:57
I'd bite anyone's hand off who offered us anywhere near the sort of money we paid for him. Then we oculd get in a midfielder with actual pace who can get from box to box and isn't dominated by grandad Gerrard and Jay Spearing.
821 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:39:37
823 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:43:15
824 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:29:03
So who goes? The only ones worth any money are Jelavic, Baines, Jagielka & Fellaini... so, if we get rid of these, who do we get to replace them if any go? Fucking journey men in the twilight of their years ? that's who
And if Moyes and Kenwright remain at the helm, these players I fear will want to go to a top five team ? and who can blame them? We have to get rid of deadeood starting with David Moyes, Bill Kenwright and Neville, Anichebe, Hibbert, etc. If this doesn't happen, we will end up like a Notts Forest or Leeds United in the Championship or worse. No-one thought it could happen to them but look where they are now.
826 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:44:40
827 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:43:46
Thanks for that. I've got this image stuck in my head now of Fellaini at home in full Sideshow Bob outfit trying to train a thick-as-shit squad of ducks.
829 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:10:51
Have you ever watched a game of fucking football? Biggest load of shite I've read on here.
Fellaini dominated that midfield until gobshite Moyes shoved him upfield.
831 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:15:55
832 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:19:54
834 Posted 17/04/2012 at 15:34:07
If West Ham don't go up, I would imagine they might be affected ackers-wise (something to do with parachutes..or something).
Anyway, if there's anything to that, I would make an approach for Nolan and do whatever it took to persuade him/them.
This feller to me is one of the very few players of his type around - someone who can actually effect those around him.
("But the twat kicked Anichebe lad!" - good, so would I)
Imo he's EXACTLY what we need.
A real piece of work, nasty as fuck, a mouthpiece, a nark, a good player, scores goals (must be 1 every 3/4 games) and drags those around him, with him.
Plus I get the impression that any team-mates not pulling their weight are 'dealt with' swiftly (he's with his 3rd club and I'm sure it's not fluke he's been captain at all three).
When Newcastle went down, then..back up, I remember reading that in the pre-season after relegation, Chris Hughton consulted Nolan (and one or two other seniors) as to who should go and how thy should approach the season.
Apparently Nolan had no problem identifying lazy-arsed, overpaid passengers and those who would fight.
They ended up a winning side and a tough side to beat.
Of course nobody can do it all, or do it all alone, but I just feel until we get someone like this in, we'll remain the honest, hardworking, quiet, semi-plucky losers we are right now.
Sick of the pat on the head, I want us to start intimidating.
835 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:18:38
836 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:23:14
837 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:23:12
842 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:34:27
Abit harsh,I think Felli could be twice the player he is now if he was allowed to.
I get the impression he can hear Moyes's voice in his head saying "dont you fucking dare cross that half way line" and so lays the ball off to the nearest player.
849 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:25:21
Name one quality midfielder we've had to play alongside fellaini since his arrival??
I can only think of arteta but since fellaini's arrival he was either injured, ailing or disinterested and looking to leave.
Ive come up with the following who have played centre mid - Osman, Castillo, Neville (better at full back), Rodwell, Bily, Heitinga (a centre back). Cahill occasionally but hes considered better 'in the hole' behind the lone striker.
I can see the fruits of a useful partnership with Gibson but as for the list above, hardly inspiring partners in the engine room to drive the team forward when required.
851 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:29:08
Moyes (if he's still here) needs to secure Pienaar and replace the ageing Cahill Neville etc, all with £4.80.
If history has taught us anything, it's that we are in for a long, disappointing and embarrassing summer transfer window.
But cheer up, as there's NO ONE, more qualified to sell Everton than our biggest Evertonian, yes that's right, good old Blue Bill.
He's our only hope apparently.
853 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:56:15
If he stays, good, as he's a decent player (although not worth 15m IMO) and if he goes we get some transfer money and 75k off the wage bill!
855 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:54:40
Fellaini is the one with the big hair.
857 Posted 17/04/2012 at 16:57:27
Off the top of my head and without researching was it not Fellaini who broke from midfield for both of the goals away at Sunderland in the cup? Think he also laid on the second for Jelavic at Swansea after coming on as sub.
All the above in the past few weeks.
Think its his team mates who arent up to it in the bigger games.
860 Posted 17/04/2012 at 17:10:21
861 Posted 17/04/2012 at 17:09:42
867 Posted 17/04/2012 at 17:03:50
I think to get the best from him he is better as the denfensive midfield player with a Modric type player alongside him. Someone who can create and score goals.
I get the feeling that Fellaini is preparing the groundwork for a move, and his agent will no doubt cite his reason for leaving a lack of ambition. Although he knows better than most our financial position doesnt allow us to be more ambitious.
868 Posted 17/04/2012 at 17:19:42
I suspect he has some sort of clause in his contract.Can not see any other reason he would have signed a new deal.
871 Posted 17/04/2012 at 17:23:38
All fellaini has said is that he'd like to see reinforcements, and some people have totally re-engineered this to suggest it means he wants to leave. Complete nonsense.
He could even have said to the club "get reinforcements before I sign", but he didn't. So he is just passing opinion, not sticking a marker in the sand. This is all just made up.
905 Posted 17/04/2012 at 18:22:24
910 Posted 17/04/2012 at 18:26:54
Jamie 871, we gave him 75 thousand reasons a week to stay a little longer. Also saying that, I cannot remember hearing any rumour about any club wanting to sign him since he's been with us. I could be mistaken but I cant remember anything at all. In fact, there have not been many bids at all for any of our current players come to think of it - Jags and rumours surrounding Baines are the only ones that spring to mind.
He's a decent player but I dont think he would just walk into any of the top teams starting XIs. Squad yes but first team, am not so sure. Then again I would expect the likes of SAF, Wenger, Mancini etc to get him playing better and he would also benefit from playing with better players (e.g. see Rodwell in the England set up)
916 Posted 17/04/2012 at 18:54:00
Distin [short term due to age]
The others are need clearing out and replacing.
919 Posted 17/04/2012 at 19:01:56
Whats left to sell?Like it or not we will have to sell some of our best players to re-build.
Like i've said before Baines and Jelavic are the only two I would keep.
930 Posted 17/04/2012 at 19:16:39
If this is Fellaini's way of saying he's off unless there are changes then who could blame him.
945 Posted 17/04/2012 at 20:26:26
952 Posted 17/04/2012 at 20:45:19
954 Posted 17/04/2012 at 20:37:01
We can only live in hope that he has finally realised that we are never going to win anything until he and the rest of his wretched Board hand over the reins to new owners.
967 Posted 17/04/2012 at 20:59:52
969 Posted 17/04/2012 at 21:06:08
007 Posted 17/04/2012 at 22:02:57
One of the many problems at Everton is that Moyes does not know when to cash in. He had offers for Neville, Cahill and Jagielka but did not sell his favourites despite them clearly being finished. And let us not forget the offer he had for Saha about a year before letting him leave for free.
If a big offer came in for Felliani, and I think that is what he is after, Moyes will fight tooth an nail to keep him. Felliani is the chosen one of Moyes, so expect a long drawn out and damaging Lescott-like saga.
Personally, they can all leave for all I care.
009 Posted 17/04/2012 at 22:26:13
012 Posted 17/04/2012 at 22:28:35
I can see the reasoning in the points you make especially regarding that he hasnt learnt to dominate games but often drifts in and out.
However i watch the guy play and believe that he has the talent and skill to play in a top four team and get the feeling that as a team we dont get the best out of him.
In terms of formation, if Pienaar stays next season then i would like to see him play just behind Jelavic where Cahill currently resides. Maybe we could try it for the remainder of this season.
I think Fellaini and Gibson could be a good midfield pair and was confident that they would be better than Gerrard and Spearing on Saturday
018 Posted 17/04/2012 at 22:58:27
I was hoping he'd make it to the Euros and get a goal like the one against United. Then, he'd be sold on at a hugely inflated fee. If someone must go then, for the right money, I'd reluctantly let it be Jagielka.
050 Posted 18/04/2012 at 06:43:37
Fellaini is a much better player than Nolan.
Nolan is not good enough for Everton
072 Posted 18/04/2012 at 08:52:44
105 Posted 18/04/2012 at 09:25:59
You first inform us that Nolan is 'shit' (are you related to Brian Glanville by any chance?).
You also say he is 'not good enough for Everton'.
(Of COURSE he's not, he's certainly not in the same class as the like's of Neville, Hibbo, Coleman, Jags...)
And your back up for this?
Er...he plays in the Championship (where, presumably, there has NEVER been a single player worth a wank...well apart from Cahill)
You're are imo a zillion, krizillion, gillion, villion percent wrong.
You are Wrongy McWrong of Wrongtown (nb: it's in Wrongovia).
He is EXACTLY what/who we need.
106 Posted 18/04/2012 at 10:14:58
Him playing in the championship has nothing to do with his ability but money.
111 Posted 18/04/2012 at 10:44:07
115 Posted 18/04/2012 at 10:51:24
HA HA HA, that one was great even by Eugene's standards :)
116 Posted 18/04/2012 at 10:56:24
What Pardew did at Newcastle is what i've been saying we should have started doing a few years a go now.
Selling players in their prime might show a lack of ambition but we have to face facts.We are in debt with no sign of getting out of it.
Look at the alternative,having to sell Arteta for half of what we would have got for him a year earlier or being stuck with players that are now old but still on long contracts and under performing.
120 Posted 18/04/2012 at 11:08:38
The ones we have are usually lashed anyway because the manager doesn't like that sort of thing. Be a good sport, talk about team spirit and don't ever grumble and your OK. Otherwise you won't last five minutes at Everton.
123 Posted 18/04/2012 at 11:08:19
The common denominator in the 3 clubs is Fat Sam. One mans choice as captain at the three seperate clubs.
A veritable and profitable love in between the two stretching the full length of England.
125 Posted 18/04/2012 at 11:26:26
127 Posted 18/04/2012 at 10:59:53
"He's a bit older, doesn't possess a great deal of pace and looking a lot more ordinary than in his days at Bolton"
Sort of true, but then the Premiership Bolton were probably a little better and better organized than the Championship West Ham
(plus 'older' and 'without pace'? That could have been said of Peter Reid when we got him).
However Nolan is definitely a leader.
He does have a big mouth.
He does galvanize a team.
He does have a nasty streak and hates losing.
We are a (too) quiet side who often look in need of an on-the-park kick up the arse and I don't see anyone at the moment with the authority/capability to deliver it.
He (or someone like him) is EXACTLY what imo the cordial gentleman's club that is Everton FC, needs.
And the sooner the better for me.
140 Posted 18/04/2012 at 12:11:10
If we could get 40 mil for those 3 players you mentioned, it's all about timing, Kenwright will want to eek every penny out of any deal, and as seen before it can be a protracted process that leaves the manager with little or no time to do his business.
I'd also be interested to see how much of the total proceeds Moyes would get to work his magic again.
I'm sure 1 or 2 will have to make way to bring some fresh blood in and hopefully secure Pienaar, I'm not holding my breath tho.
149 Posted 18/04/2012 at 12:56:54
Yes BK will take some of the money to pay the banks but thats the point.The banks need paying before we can think about moving on,we should have done it a few years a go because now it looks like the banks are putting pressure on us to sell.
A couple of years a go we could have sold on our terms and got full value for a player,now other clubs are aware we have the bank manager hovering over our shoulder involved in decisions,how else could Arteta be sold for such a low price.
154 Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:10:09
155 Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:11:44
163 Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:16:09
I agree with what your saying except for Arteta's value.If thats the going rate for a player consistently regarded as one of the best in the prem (yes i know he was poor his final season) then how were we conned into paying £5m for Distin.
A centre half already well into his 30's with just 12 months left on his contract,his club just relegated and declared bankrupt.
All things being equal than we should have got Distin for £500k if Arteta was worth £10m
This nothing to do with not liking Distin or anything like that.Just used him as an example of prices.
167 Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:40:45
168 Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:35:21
170 Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:28:52
He built over time, a younger and improved squad with the odd expensive gamble that saw us consistently challenging for a European position.
He's in, or nearing a similar position again, and maybe Jelavic is the start, but this time i fear he won't have the same financial backing or time to see it through, unless of course Kenwright pulls an Arab out of his handkerchief.
172 Posted 18/04/2012 at 13:50:55
Maybe he will bring the age down again,personally I am not sure he will.
He done it when he took over but the old players then were someone elses.
This set of old players are his that have been with him for years and cant bare to admit their too old or not good enough.
173 Posted 18/04/2012 at 14:03:51
And I agree with what somebody else on here said; he was the only midfielder stemming the tide on Saturday, before that tactical genius Moyes decided for Felli to swap positions with Cahill, and the rest is history.
No wonder Sylvain made the error, he must have been blowing out his backside having to defend from the 30th min onwards!
182 Posted 18/04/2012 at 14:23:59
I've heard him (for us) getting grief for 'fucking up' when he's been more or less playing the Carsley role, centre-midfield AND striker, all in the same game.
In the 3/4 games before the semi, he looked great as he was able to push up (and push the midfield up), without worrying that there was a huge gap opening up behind him.
Fellaini (nb: with the right support!) is a real handful and should he go to a 'top' team, I have no doubt would be a success.
213 Posted 18/04/2012 at 15:11:45
If you want my analysis, i would say this, he was a slightly above average player last time he was in the premiership. He got a few goals from midfield when he was at Bolton, technically, he wasnt all that as player.
I take your point, you are right, we already have players that are not good enough for Everton, but why add more which are not good enough?
To make the comparison with Cahill being from the championship isnt really valid. As Nolan has already played in the premiership & is in his latter years, whereas Cahill was a young promising player who was hungry to prove himself at the highest level, when we took a punt on him.
Another thread pointed out that he went for megabucks to west ham, which he may of. But, normally premiership quality players stay in the premiership, was there really any other offers for him? Scotty Parker didnt hang around there.
Are you sure you don't live in my neighbourhood in Wrongovia, i'm sure i may have seen you around there.
248 Posted 18/04/2012 at 17:28:42
250 Posted 18/04/2012 at 17:28:19
Kenwright should show a little bottle and move Moyes on. 10 years is too long... the club needs fresh ideas. There will be loads of managers all over the world who will come for half that wage.
381 Posted 19/04/2012 at 06:42:35
We are the slowest team in the Prem.
445 Posted 19/04/2012 at 12:18:22
That's how other big teams do it; if one of your star players has an off day, there are another 10 players who can step up.
We can't pin our hopes on Fellaini to have a stormer every single match. The problem for us is that his midfield teammates belong in a can of dog food.
791 Posted 20/04/2012 at 13:23:20
The lad is good enough for a top four club and will surely be gone in the summer.
The contract was probably only signed so as we could get top money at the end of the season.
I think he would do well at Utd as they need to strengthen in midfield and he would be ideal.
792 Posted 20/04/2012 at 13:29:34
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