Everton News, Season 2011-12
Fellaini wants reinforcements
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"I hope that the chairman will be able to loosen the purse strings during the summer."
With finances tighter than ever at Goodison and the Club losing about £5m a year, Fellaini is unlikely to get his wish. David Moyes has had to sell to buy in recent years and unless Bill Kenwright finds a buyer or, less likely, some large-scale investment this summer, that's likely to continue.
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In other words, "Let's get in some quality players and get rid of shite like Neville, Hibbert and Anichebe or I'm off!"
Unfortunately the only way to bring in reinforcements is to sell players like Fellaini.Shite like Anichebe have no value.
Theres only two players i would resist all bids for,Baines and Jelavic.I would put a price on everyone elses head.
It might set us back in the short term but we really do need to bring the debt and wage bill down.There are good players in the championship who would'nt cost or earn much like Whittingham and Snodgrass.
Plus players from relegated sides,Hennessey,Jarvis and Fletcher at Wolves.
Theres only two players i would resist all bids for,Baines and Jelavic.I would put a price on everyone elses head.
It might set us back in the short term but we really do need to bring the debt and wage bill down.There are good players in the championship who would'nt cost or earn much like Whittingham and Snodgrass.
Plus players from relegated sides,Hennessey,Jarvis and Fletcher at Wolves.
Oh well, good bye Felli.
You have split opinion over the past 3 years but i can see you performing well at one of the top boys with better players around.
Cannot say i blame you if you left after witnessing the lack of ambition and energy from the majority of your team mates (and manager) on Saturday.
You have split opinion over the past 3 years but i can see you performing well at one of the top boys with better players around.
Cannot say i blame you if you left after witnessing the lack of ambition and energy from the majority of your team mates (and manager) on Saturday.
I am sure Fellaini has finally realized Kenwright is full of shit and is now calling his bluff. This could be the beginning of the end as we know that no funds are available and the 24/7 line is no longer holding water from the Kenwright sinking ship.
Lord knows what kind of crap they must have fed Fellaini to get him to sign in the first place. Bill must have said 'watch this space'.
If Blue Bill were to loosen the purse strings, he'd only do it by selling Fellaini. Then Moyes would spend the cash buying attacking players, and then telling them they won't get a game until they learn to play centre half.
Yeah Andy, I'm thinking that too, he's definitley eyeing something else with the way things are going. Kenwright needs to get the club sold and do one or find some dough from what he's made from the club or they should all pitch in and do something! They are sitting on loads of cash, I'll bet!
The Fellaini money would pay for Neville, Cahill and Osmans new 5 year deals.
Stating the obvious. But it is nice someone has come forward publicly and said it. Other than having Phil Neville etc towing the party line.
Applying pressure to the board in some little way.
Atleast then , if Fellani does moves on. His excuse is already there. He can say that the boards ambitions for the club did not match his own.
Applying pressure to the board in some little way.
Atleast then , if Fellani does moves on. His excuse is already there. He can say that the boards ambitions for the club did not match his own.
Once again, Moyes sending out messages through his players. These words would have a lot more weight if Moyes was leading the calls.
Felli has been first class and I would hate to see him go. Jelavic, Neville and Felli were the only players who gave 100% last Saturday. Hope we're able to wheel and deal this summer.
Felli has been first class and I would hate to see him go. Jelavic, Neville and Felli were the only players who gave 100% last Saturday. Hope we're able to wheel and deal this summer.
What top club is going to take him? Slow in mind and in body, can't play holding or attacking mid, can't hit a long pass, can't shoot from distance, slows down the play to a crawling pace, loads of stupid fowls, doesn't turn up in big games, gets passed more than any other player in the Everton team. Oh but he does bring you a big presence in both boxes... except he didn't on Saturday, and he hasn't scored a header in ages for us.
I'd bite anyone's hand off who offered us anywhere near the sort of money we paid for him. Then we oculd get in a midfielder with actual pace who can get from box to box and isn't dominated by grandad Gerrard and Jay Spearing.
I'd bite anyone's hand off who offered us anywhere near the sort of money we paid for him. Then we oculd get in a midfielder with actual pace who can get from box to box and isn't dominated by grandad Gerrard and Jay Spearing.
(Loud, exaggerated sigh) You think he would have learnt by now.
James, on Saturday, before he was made to go and be ineffective up front in a typical Moyes masterstroke, Gerrard and Spearing hadnt had a touch because of Fellaini. Then Cahill switches with him, and Gerrard took over the game. He is class and wont be leaving Everton without going somewhere decent. My bet would be Real Madrid.
There is no way that twat Kenwright will give any money for transfers... only like what's been said on here, if we sell.
So who goes? The only ones worth any money are Jelavic, Baines, Jagielka & Fellaini... so, if we get rid of these, who do we get to replace them if any go? Fucking journey men in the twilight of their years ? that's who
And if Moyes and Kenwright remain at the helm, these players I fear will want to go to a top five team ? and who can blame them? We have to get rid of deadeood starting with David Moyes, Bill Kenwright and Neville, Anichebe, Hibbert, etc. If this doesn't happen, we will end up like a Notts Forest or Leeds United in the Championship or worse. No-one thought it could happen to them but look where they are now.
So who goes? The only ones worth any money are Jelavic, Baines, Jagielka & Fellaini... so, if we get rid of these, who do we get to replace them if any go? Fucking journey men in the twilight of their years ? that's who
And if Moyes and Kenwright remain at the helm, these players I fear will want to go to a top five team ? and who can blame them? We have to get rid of deadeood starting with David Moyes, Bill Kenwright and Neville, Anichebe, Hibbert, etc. If this doesn't happen, we will end up like a Notts Forest or Leeds United in the Championship or worse. No-one thought it could happen to them but look where they are now.
If that is a "prompt" from him, to let the club know he is unhappy, good on you Felli! Can't keep on papering over the cracks. Saturday was a stark reminder after the latest, "false dawn" of the last couple of months
"What top club is going to take him? Slow in mind and in body, can't play holding or attacking mid, ......... loads of stupid fowls..."
Thanks for that. I've got this image stuck in my head now of Fellaini at home in full Sideshow Bob outfit trying to train a thick-as-shit squad of ducks.
Thanks for that. I've got this image stuck in my head now of Fellaini at home in full Sideshow Bob outfit trying to train a thick-as-shit squad of ducks.
James Martin.
Have you ever watched a game of fucking football? Biggest load of shite I've read on here.
Fellaini dominated that midfield until gobshite Moyes shoved him upfield.
Have you ever watched a game of fucking football? Biggest load of shite I've read on here.
Fellaini dominated that midfield until gobshite Moyes shoved him upfield.
Apparently Kenwright was last seen on Corrie rummaging through Emily Bishop's cupboards for money. So you never know, Felli, you might just get your wish... You know what them arl ones are like for hoarding cash in the house.
I'm with James Martin on this one: never mind big games, I've yet to see him play well in a derby.
Ok manager for 5 minutes.
If West Ham don't go up, I would imagine they might be affected ackers-wise (something to do with parachutes..or something).
Anyway, if there's anything to that, I would make an approach for Nolan and do whatever it took to persuade him/them.
This feller to me is one of the very few players of his type around - someone who can actually effect those around him.
("But the twat kicked Anichebe lad!" - good, so would I)
Imo he's EXACTLY what we need.
A real piece of work, nasty as fuck, a mouthpiece, a nark, a good player, scores goals (must be 1 every 3/4 games) and drags those around him, with him.
Plus I get the impression that any team-mates not pulling their weight are 'dealt with' swiftly (he's with his 3rd club and I'm sure it's not fluke he's been captain at all three).
When Newcastle went down, then..back up, I remember reading that in the pre-season after relegation, Chris Hughton consulted Nolan (and one or two other seniors) as to who should go and how thy should approach the season.
Apparently Nolan had no problem identifying lazy-arsed, overpaid passengers and those who would fight.
They ended up a winning side and a tough side to beat.
Of course nobody can do it all, or do it all alone, but I just feel until we get someone like this in, we'll remain the honest, hardworking, quiet, semi-plucky losers we are right now.
Sick of the pat on the head, I want us to start intimidating.
If West Ham don't go up, I would imagine they might be affected ackers-wise (something to do with parachutes..or something).
Anyway, if there's anything to that, I would make an approach for Nolan and do whatever it took to persuade him/them.
This feller to me is one of the very few players of his type around - someone who can actually effect those around him.
("But the twat kicked Anichebe lad!" - good, so would I)
Imo he's EXACTLY what we need.
A real piece of work, nasty as fuck, a mouthpiece, a nark, a good player, scores goals (must be 1 every 3/4 games) and drags those around him, with him.
Plus I get the impression that any team-mates not pulling their weight are 'dealt with' swiftly (he's with his 3rd club and I'm sure it's not fluke he's been captain at all three).
When Newcastle went down, then..back up, I remember reading that in the pre-season after relegation, Chris Hughton consulted Nolan (and one or two other seniors) as to who should go and how thy should approach the season.
Apparently Nolan had no problem identifying lazy-arsed, overpaid passengers and those who would fight.
They ended up a winning side and a tough side to beat.
Of course nobody can do it all, or do it all alone, but I just feel until we get someone like this in, we'll remain the honest, hardworking, quiet, semi-plucky losers we are right now.
Sick of the pat on the head, I want us to start intimidating.
Dominated the midfield? In what way exactly? we created one chance in the first half and that was because of their defensive mistake. We looked decent in patches yes, but he was not dominating. Plus he didn't get moved up at the beginning of the second half, he played deep in most of the period before Distin's mistake when they were all over us anyway. He was at fault for the second goal and can anyone argue against those points I made about him? He is undeniably slow, he does not/cannot spray long passes about, and he gives away a lot of fouls. and When has he ever scored a shot from distance? When has he ever slipped someone in or led us out on a quick charge up the field? No he brings down a high ball from the goal kick on his chest and lays it off (usually behind) the full back and some people are purring as though he's Zidane. The full back can only lump it anyway because the balls so slow and he's facing his goal. You can pretend I'm some sort of blasphemer all you want but I know a lot of Evertonians who feel this way about him. Then again this was the site that said that Pienaar had no end product and that Arteta should have been sold ages before he was. How are we ever going to see good football back at Goodison when the team is built around Fellaini's heading skill and his ability to slow down the play. Not fit to lace Arteta's boots and to be honest I'd rather have Carsley back, least he knew how to tackle and could hit a shot, something that 15 million doesn't buy you these days apparently.
James Martin (820) to be fair, his job is going to be difficult if there are unintelligent chickens all over the park.
Marouane.........the weight of all that hair must have addled your brain. If you want reinforcements then hand in your transfer request now.......some other clubs may have some cash, unfortunately Everton under Thespian Kenwright haven't.......
James 835
Abit harsh,I think Felli could be twice the player he is now if he was allowed to.
I get the impression he can hear Moyes's voice in his head saying "dont you fucking dare cross that half way line" and so lays the ball off to the nearest player.
Abit harsh,I think Felli could be twice the player he is now if he was allowed to.
I get the impression he can hear Moyes's voice in his head saying "dont you fucking dare cross that half way line" and so lays the ball off to the nearest player.
Andy, 821.
Name one quality midfielder we've had to play alongside fellaini since his arrival??
I can only think of arteta but since fellaini's arrival he was either injured, ailing or disinterested and looking to leave.
Ive come up with the following who have played centre mid - Osman, Castillo, Neville (better at full back), Rodwell, Bily, Heitinga (a centre back). Cahill occasionally but hes considered better 'in the hole' behind the lone striker.
I can see the fruits of a useful partnership with Gibson but as for the list above, hardly inspiring partners in the engine room to drive the team forward when required.
Name one quality midfielder we've had to play alongside fellaini since his arrival??
I can only think of arteta but since fellaini's arrival he was either injured, ailing or disinterested and looking to leave.
Ive come up with the following who have played centre mid - Osman, Castillo, Neville (better at full back), Rodwell, Bily, Heitinga (a centre back). Cahill occasionally but hes considered better 'in the hole' behind the lone striker.
I can see the fruits of a useful partnership with Gibson but as for the list above, hardly inspiring partners in the engine room to drive the team forward when required.
I'm pleased he's come out even if it is stating the bleeding obvious.
Moyes (if he's still here) needs to secure Pienaar and replace the ageing Cahill Neville etc, all with £4.80.
If history has taught us anything, it's that we are in for a long, disappointing and embarrassing summer transfer window.
But cheer up, as there's NO ONE, more qualified to sell Everton than our biggest Evertonian, yes that's right, good old Blue Bill.
He's our only hope apparently.
Moyes (if he's still here) needs to secure Pienaar and replace the ageing Cahill Neville etc, all with £4.80.
If history has taught us anything, it's that we are in for a long, disappointing and embarrassing summer transfer window.
But cheer up, as there's NO ONE, more qualified to sell Everton than our biggest Evertonian, yes that's right, good old Blue Bill.
He's our only hope apparently.
Glad he's come out saying that - wish more players would so as to put pressure on you know who.
If he stays, good, as he's a decent player (although not worth 15m IMO) and if he goes we get some transfer money and 75k off the wage bill!
If he stays, good, as he's a decent player (although not worth 15m IMO) and if he goes we get some transfer money and 75k off the wage bill!
James, i don't know which player you're watching.
Fellaini is the one with the big hair.
Fellaini is the one with the big hair.
James 835.
Off the top of my head and without researching was it not Fellaini who broke from midfield for both of the goals away at Sunderland in the cup? Think he also laid on the second for Jelavic at Swansea after coming on as sub.
All the above in the past few weeks.
Think its his team mates who arent up to it in the bigger games.
Off the top of my head and without researching was it not Fellaini who broke from midfield for both of the goals away at Sunderland in the cup? Think he also laid on the second for Jelavic at Swansea after coming on as sub.
All the above in the past few weeks.
Think its his team mates who arent up to it in the bigger games.
Fellaini will be gone before we spend big that is for sure. Obviously an ambitious guy and who can blame him. He could quite easily slot into any of the top 4's midfields.
If Fellaini was angling for a move, he would never have re-signed recently.
I am still not sure about Fellaini, some games he has been very good, yet in others he has very little impact on the game. My worry is that Moyes will try and convert him to play in Cahills role, and personally I dont think he suits that role.
I think to get the best from him he is better as the denfensive midfield player with a Modric type player alongside him. Someone who can create and score goals.
I get the feeling that Fellaini is preparing the groundwork for a move, and his agent will no doubt cite his reason for leaving a lack of ambition. Although he knows better than most our financial position doesnt allow us to be more ambitious.
I think to get the best from him he is better as the denfensive midfield player with a Modric type player alongside him. Someone who can create and score goals.
I get the feeling that Fellaini is preparing the groundwork for a move, and his agent will no doubt cite his reason for leaving a lack of ambition. Although he knows better than most our financial position doesnt allow us to be more ambitious.
Jeremy 861
I suspect he has some sort of clause in his contract.Can not see any other reason he would have signed a new deal.
I suspect he has some sort of clause in his contract.Can not see any other reason he would have signed a new deal.
Clause or not, you wouldn't sign a new contract if you wanted to leave. As your higher sale value following re-sign would put potential clubs off, and of course if you don't sign then you virtually force the club to sell you before you go on a free, thus making the whole process easier.
All fellaini has said is that he'd like to see reinforcements, and some people have totally re-engineered this to suggest it means he wants to leave. Complete nonsense.
He could even have said to the club "get reinforcements before I sign", but he didn't. So he is just passing opinion, not sticking a marker in the sand. This is all just made up.
All fellaini has said is that he'd like to see reinforcements, and some people have totally re-engineered this to suggest it means he wants to leave. Complete nonsense.
He could even have said to the club "get reinforcements before I sign", but he didn't. So he is just passing opinion, not sticking a marker in the sand. This is all just made up.
Michael Summers, of those four players that you named, three have re signed contracts while playing for Moyes and one has just signed for him.
'Clause or not, you wouldn't sign a new contract if you wanted to leave.'
Jamie 871, we gave him 75 thousand reasons a week to stay a little longer. Also saying that, I cannot remember hearing any rumour about any club wanting to sign him since he's been with us. I could be mistaken but I cant remember anything at all. In fact, there have not been many bids at all for any of our current players come to think of it - Jags and rumours surrounding Baines are the only ones that spring to mind.
He's a decent player but I dont think he would just walk into any of the top teams starting XIs. Squad yes but first team, am not so sure. Then again I would expect the likes of SAF, Wenger, Mancini etc to get him playing better and he would also benefit from playing with better players (e.g. see Rodwell in the England set up)
Jamie 871, we gave him 75 thousand reasons a week to stay a little longer. Also saying that, I cannot remember hearing any rumour about any club wanting to sign him since he's been with us. I could be mistaken but I cant remember anything at all. In fact, there have not been many bids at all for any of our current players come to think of it - Jags and rumours surrounding Baines are the only ones that spring to mind.
He's a decent player but I dont think he would just walk into any of the top teams starting XIs. Squad yes but first team, am not so sure. Then again I would expect the likes of SAF, Wenger, Mancini etc to get him playing better and he would also benefit from playing with better players (e.g. see Rodwell in the England set up)
The only players worth keeping and building a team around are:
Howard [arguably]
Distin [short term due to age]
Heitinga
Jagielka
Baines
Fellaini
Gibson
Jalevic
The others are need clearing out and replacing.
Howard [arguably]
Distin [short term due to age]
Heitinga
Jagielka
Baines
Fellaini
Gibson
Jalevic
The others are need clearing out and replacing.
Anthony 916
Whats left to sell?Like it or not we will have to sell some of our best players to re-build.
Like i've said before Baines and Jelavic are the only two I would keep.
Whats left to sell?Like it or not we will have to sell some of our best players to re-build.
Like i've said before Baines and Jelavic are the only two I would keep.
What's the point in buying new players if Moyes is in control?Just more time being wasted.Any money that Kenright can find in his reinforced safe should be used to get rid of the manager and find a replacement.
If this is Fellaini's way of saying he's off unless there are changes then who could blame him.
If this is Fellaini's way of saying he's off unless there are changes then who could blame him.
Ray, in the Sunderland game he got caught in possession and then got lucky when it went through the players legs before he thenplayed it to Gueye who put in a cross that really should have been dealt with. At Swansea he just bullied his way through a hapless defender, and that wa splaying in the position that everyone doesn't want him in off the striker. Yes he's strong on the ball and will have his moments in a tight situation like that but just does not dominate against quick strong players and in my opinion isn't worth the money we paid for him. I can't see a Real Madrid coming in for him, Xabi Alonso or Fellaini? People say he needs quality players aorund him but the real quality players don't. Arteta made Neville look good for a whole season in centre mid, he also played there with carsley, brought man of the match performances out of Osman against Man U and Chelsea in 2009, he even made Rodwell look good their when they played together. We even beat Liverpool with Heitinga alongside Arteta in the midfield! The only person he couldn't play with was Fellaini, neither can Rodwell, Heitinga, Osman or Neville. In fact Gibson is the only one who looks remotely like he could because then Fellani attacks, but then you realise he has no pace, craft or goal threat so is a bit of a waste in that attacking role. Gibson and Pienaar would be a far better midfield pairing.
Fellaini's way of saying spend or I'm off to a club who show ambition and attack rather then trying to contain teams.
There is only one way to improve the squad without selling our best players - Blue Bill selling out instead.
We can only live in hope that he has finally realised that we are never going to win anything until he and the rest of his wretched Board hand over the reins to new owners.
We can only live in hope that he has finally realised that we are never going to win anything until he and the rest of his wretched Board hand over the reins to new owners.
Possibly BK could contribute his fee from his Corrie "performance". Olivier he ain't.
Fucking hell Steve can't you give Bill a break. He's just lost his mum!
If people point to the fact that Felliani has signed a new contract, he signed the very same contract that was vacated by Arteta. If you are naive enough to think this ties him to the club then take a look where Arteta went and look where his transfer fee went.
One of the many problems at Everton is that Moyes does not know when to cash in. He had offers for Neville, Cahill and Jagielka but did not sell his favourites despite them clearly being finished. And let us not forget the offer he had for Saha about a year before letting him leave for free.
If a big offer came in for Felliani, and I think that is what he is after, Moyes will fight tooth an nail to keep him. Felliani is the chosen one of Moyes, so expect a long drawn out and damaging Lescott-like saga.
Personally, they can all leave for all I care.
One of the many problems at Everton is that Moyes does not know when to cash in. He had offers for Neville, Cahill and Jagielka but did not sell his favourites despite them clearly being finished. And let us not forget the offer he had for Saha about a year before letting him leave for free.
If a big offer came in for Felliani, and I think that is what he is after, Moyes will fight tooth an nail to keep him. Felliani is the chosen one of Moyes, so expect a long drawn out and damaging Lescott-like saga.
Personally, they can all leave for all I care.
It comes to something when one owner is a rich oil state or Russian oligarch, and ours has a Saturday job on corrie. I half expect bill to clean my windscreen at the rocket lights. Going to a fight with a........
James, as i said in my initial comments (800) Fellaini splits opinion amongst blues probably to a greater extent than any other current players.
I can see the reasoning in the points you make especially regarding that he hasnt learnt to dominate games but often drifts in and out.
However i watch the guy play and believe that he has the talent and skill to play in a top four team and get the feeling that as a team we dont get the best out of him.
In terms of formation, if Pienaar stays next season then i would like to see him play just behind Jelavic where Cahill currently resides. Maybe we could try it for the remainder of this season.
I think Fellaini and Gibson could be a good midfield pair and was confident that they would be better than Gerrard and Spearing on Saturday
I can see the reasoning in the points you make especially regarding that he hasnt learnt to dominate games but often drifts in and out.
However i watch the guy play and believe that he has the talent and skill to play in a top four team and get the feeling that as a team we dont get the best out of him.
In terms of formation, if Pienaar stays next season then i would like to see him play just behind Jelavic where Cahill currently resides. Maybe we could try it for the remainder of this season.
I think Fellaini and Gibson could be a good midfield pair and was confident that they would be better than Gerrard and Spearing on Saturday
I think that the unfortunate series of injuries to Jack Rodwell is a major blow. I'm not sure how good he is or will be but,rightly or wrongly he has gained a reputation as a fine prospect.
I was hoping he'd make it to the Euros and get a goal like the one against United. Then, he'd be sold on at a hugely inflated fee. If someone must go then, for the right money, I'd reluctantly let it be Jagielka.
I was hoping he'd make it to the Euros and get a goal like the one against United. Then, he'd be sold on at a hugely inflated fee. If someone must go then, for the right money, I'd reluctantly let it be Jagielka.
Andy Nolan is shit! There is a reason he plays in the championship. He was sold to west ham as a championship side, where were the premiership bids for him?
Fellaini is a much better player than Nolan.
Nolan is not good enough for Everton
Fellaini is a much better player than Nolan.
Nolan is not good enough for Everton
Well, it looked to me, on the teev and all, that Felli supposed to be on Carroll when the Ponytailed one rose unopposed to head home, Felli dithering around like Ronald McDonald dyed black.
David Donnellan (050), congratulations - the most piss-weak bit of player 'analysis' I've seen in a long time.
You first inform us that Nolan is 'shit' (are you related to Brian Glanville by any chance?).
You also say he is 'not good enough for Everton'.
(Of COURSE he's not, he's certainly not in the same class as the like's of Neville, Hibbo, Coleman, Jags...)
And your back up for this?
Er...he plays in the Championship (where, presumably, there has NEVER been a single player worth a wank...well apart from Cahill)
You're are imo a zillion, krizillion, gillion, villion percent wrong.
You are Wrongy McWrong of Wrongtown (nb: it's in Wrongovia).
He is EXACTLY what/who we need.
You first inform us that Nolan is 'shit' (are you related to Brian Glanville by any chance?).
You also say he is 'not good enough for Everton'.
(Of COURSE he's not, he's certainly not in the same class as the like's of Neville, Hibbo, Coleman, Jags...)
And your back up for this?
Er...he plays in the Championship (where, presumably, there has NEVER been a single player worth a wank...well apart from Cahill)
You're are imo a zillion, krizillion, gillion, villion percent wrong.
You are Wrongy McWrong of Wrongtown (nb: it's in Wrongovia).
He is EXACTLY what/who we need.
Nolan was offered the chance to stay in the prem but went to West Ham because they offered him big wages on a 5 year contract.
Him playing in the championship has nothing to do with his ability but money.
Him playing in the championship has nothing to do with his ability but money.
Not sure on the Nolan call, he is obviously at West Ham for the money, lucrative and extended contract that Newcastle were not prepared to offer and the prospect of working with his mentor big Sam. He's a bit older, doesn't posess a great deal of pace and looking a lot more ordinary than in his days at Bolton. I take my hat off to Pardew, he bucked the trend under orders from Ashley and off-loaded the high rollers from the wage bill and has used the Carroll money very wisely in Cabaye, Tiote, Ba and Cisse, something I could never imagine Moyes doing.
"You are Wrongy McWrong of Wrongtown (nb: it's in Wrongovia)."
HA HA HA, that one was great even by Eugene's standards :)
HA HA HA, that one was great even by Eugene's standards :)
Peter 111
What Pardew did at Newcastle is what i've been saying we should have started doing a few years a go now.
Selling players in their prime might show a lack of ambition but we have to face facts.We are in debt with no sign of getting out of it.
Look at the alternative,having to sell Arteta for half of what we would have got for him a year earlier or being stuck with players that are now old but still on long contracts and under performing.
What Pardew did at Newcastle is what i've been saying we should have started doing a few years a go now.
Selling players in their prime might show a lack of ambition but we have to face facts.We are in debt with no sign of getting out of it.
Look at the alternative,having to sell Arteta for half of what we would have got for him a year earlier or being stuck with players that are now old but still on long contracts and under performing.
Men of character are few and far between.
The ones we have are usually lashed anyway because the manager doesn't like that sort of thing. Be a good sport, talk about team spirit and don't ever grumble and your OK. Otherwise you won't last five minutes at Everton.
The ones we have are usually lashed anyway because the manager doesn't like that sort of thing. Be a good sport, talk about team spirit and don't ever grumble and your OK. Otherwise you won't last five minutes at Everton.
Plus I get the impression that any team-mates not pulling their weight are 'dealt with' swiftly (he's with his 3rd club and I'm sure it's not fluke he's been captain at all three).
The common denominator in the 3 clubs is Fat Sam. One mans choice as captain at the three seperate clubs.
A veritable and profitable love in between the two stretching the full length of England.
The common denominator in the 3 clubs is Fat Sam. One mans choice as captain at the three seperate clubs.
A veritable and profitable love in between the two stretching the full length of England.
Peter Moys could never do what Pardew did because (like the Newcastle fans at the time) we have become paranoid about being viewed as a selling club. We have sold Rooney, Lescott and Arteta 'upwards' in Moyes' tenure, thats less than the number of players Liverpool have had taken off them, never mind how many Arsenal have had stolen, yet everyone thinks we're a selling club. Imagine if Moyes sold Fellaini, Jagielka and Rodwell this summer. He could get 40 million for those players. Do you really think with that money we couldn't get more players for aorund the 5 or 6 million mark, or even three players worth 10 million plus each who could improve us more than those three? Pardew did it, he sold off their brightest young prospect and they are so much better for it, it was unpopular but it was bold and it worked.
Peter Laing - (111) - you say..
"He's a bit older, doesn't possess a great deal of pace and looking a lot more ordinary than in his days at Bolton"
Sort of true, but then the Premiership Bolton were probably a little better and better organized than the Championship West Ham
(plus 'older' and 'without pace'? That could have been said of Peter Reid when we got him).
However Nolan is definitely a leader.
He does have a big mouth.
He does galvanize a team.
He does have a nasty streak and hates losing.
We are a (too) quiet side who often look in need of an on-the-park kick up the arse and I don't see anyone at the moment with the authority/capability to deliver it.
He (or someone like him) is EXACTLY what imo the cordial gentleman's club that is Everton FC, needs.
And the sooner the better for me.
"He's a bit older, doesn't possess a great deal of pace and looking a lot more ordinary than in his days at Bolton"
Sort of true, but then the Premiership Bolton were probably a little better and better organized than the Championship West Ham
(plus 'older' and 'without pace'? That could have been said of Peter Reid when we got him).
However Nolan is definitely a leader.
He does have a big mouth.
He does galvanize a team.
He does have a nasty streak and hates losing.
We are a (too) quiet side who often look in need of an on-the-park kick up the arse and I don't see anyone at the moment with the authority/capability to deliver it.
He (or someone like him) is EXACTLY what imo the cordial gentleman's club that is Everton FC, needs.
And the sooner the better for me.
James, I wonder how much say Pardew had in the sale of Carroll. Ashley would have sanctioned that deal with or without the managers agreement, £35m!
If we could get 40 mil for those 3 players you mentioned, it's all about timing, Kenwright will want to eek every penny out of any deal, and as seen before it can be a protracted process that leaves the manager with little or no time to do his business.
I'd also be interested to see how much of the total proceeds Moyes would get to work his magic again.
I'm sure 1 or 2 will have to make way to bring some fresh blood in and hopefully secure Pienaar, I'm not holding my breath tho.
If we could get 40 mil for those 3 players you mentioned, it's all about timing, Kenwright will want to eek every penny out of any deal, and as seen before it can be a protracted process that leaves the manager with little or no time to do his business.
I'd also be interested to see how much of the total proceeds Moyes would get to work his magic again.
I'm sure 1 or 2 will have to make way to bring some fresh blood in and hopefully secure Pienaar, I'm not holding my breath tho.
Simon 140
Yes BK will take some of the money to pay the banks but thats the point.The banks need paying before we can think about moving on,we should have done it a few years a go because now it looks like the banks are putting pressure on us to sell.
A couple of years a go we could have sold on our terms and got full value for a player,now other clubs are aware we have the bank manager hovering over our shoulder involved in decisions,how else could Arteta be sold for such a low price.
Yes BK will take some of the money to pay the banks but thats the point.The banks need paying before we can think about moving on,we should have done it a few years a go because now it looks like the banks are putting pressure on us to sell.
A couple of years a go we could have sold on our terms and got full value for a player,now other clubs are aware we have the bank manager hovering over our shoulder involved in decisions,how else could Arteta be sold for such a low price.
Paul, as much as we all loved Arteta, £10 million for a soon to be 30, non international midfielder with a few injury problems was hardly a low price.
I have said a few times how I dont think Moyes uses the market well enough. We have no money so anyone who has decent value getting to the 28 year old mark needs to be shipped out for hopefully, younger, cheaper replacements. Moyes is letting everyone get into their 30s on 50k a week plus and we just cant afford it. Even Pienaar is older than what we should be looking at.
Dan 154
I agree with what your saying except for Arteta's value.If thats the going rate for a player consistently regarded as one of the best in the prem (yes i know he was poor his final season) then how were we conned into paying £5m for Distin.
A centre half already well into his 30's with just 12 months left on his contract,his club just relegated and declared bankrupt.
All things being equal than we should have got Distin for £500k if Arteta was worth £10m
This nothing to do with not liking Distin or anything like that.Just used him as an example of prices.
I agree with what your saying except for Arteta's value.If thats the going rate for a player consistently regarded as one of the best in the prem (yes i know he was poor his final season) then how were we conned into paying £5m for Distin.
A centre half already well into his 30's with just 12 months left on his contract,his club just relegated and declared bankrupt.
All things being equal than we should have got Distin for £500k if Arteta was worth £10m
This nothing to do with not liking Distin or anything like that.Just used him as an example of prices.
I didnt agree with Distins price neither, Paul, but it was very much a rush signing in which we paid over the odds. Even then I was thinking why not a James Tomkins with that money or somebody of a similar age. Moyes likes the old pro's though. Anyone young is seen as a risk, the irony being that one of his old pro's commited the calamity when it mattered.
Eugene 105, that post just earned me an earfull from the Mrs, who I just woke up, pissing meself laughing. Well worth it though, cheers!
During his tenure Moyes did reduce the average age of the squad, shipping out some of the old guard in favour of younger gems like Cahill, Arteta and Pienaar, but it naturally took time and was largely dependant on a sell to buy strategy, with Kenwright backing him by reinvesting every penny.
He built over time, a younger and improved squad with the odd expensive gamble that saw us consistently challenging for a European position.
He's in, or nearing a similar position again, and maybe Jelavic is the start, but this time i fear he won't have the same financial backing or time to see it through, unless of course Kenwright pulls an Arab out of his handkerchief.
He built over time, a younger and improved squad with the odd expensive gamble that saw us consistently challenging for a European position.
He's in, or nearing a similar position again, and maybe Jelavic is the start, but this time i fear he won't have the same financial backing or time to see it through, unless of course Kenwright pulls an Arab out of his handkerchief.
Simon 170
Maybe he will bring the age down again,personally I am not sure he will.
He done it when he took over but the old players then were someone elses.
This set of old players are his that have been with him for years and cant bare to admit their too old or not good enough.
Maybe he will bring the age down again,personally I am not sure he will.
He done it when he took over but the old players then were someone elses.
This set of old players are his that have been with him for years and cant bare to admit their too old or not good enough.
I can't even believe that we are having a debate about how effective Felli is for us; in my eyes, it's simple ? he's streets ahead of any central midfielder we have, and when he does leave, he will be one of the top boys in Europe. Worth £25 mill of anyone's money in my view.
And I agree with what somebody else on here said; he was the only midfielder stemming the tide on Saturday, before that tactical genius Moyes decided for Felli to swap positions with Cahill, and the rest is history.
No wonder Sylvain made the error, he must have been blowing out his backside having to defend from the 30th min onwards!
And I agree with what somebody else on here said; he was the only midfielder stemming the tide on Saturday, before that tactical genius Moyes decided for Felli to swap positions with Cahill, and the rest is history.
No wonder Sylvain made the error, he must have been blowing out his backside having to defend from the 30th min onwards!
Agree Neil (173)
I've heard him (for us) getting grief for 'fucking up' when he's been more or less playing the Carsley role, centre-midfield AND striker, all in the same game.
In the 3/4 games before the semi, he looked great as he was able to push up (and push the midfield up), without worrying that there was a huge gap opening up behind him.
Fellaini (nb: with the right support!) is a real handful and should he go to a 'top' team, I have no doubt would be a success.
I've heard him (for us) getting grief for 'fucking up' when he's been more or less playing the Carsley role, centre-midfield AND striker, all in the same game.
In the 3/4 games before the semi, he looked great as he was able to push up (and push the midfield up), without worrying that there was a huge gap opening up behind him.
Fellaini (nb: with the right support!) is a real handful and should he go to a 'top' team, I have no doubt would be a success.
Eugene, it wasnt meant to be an analysis, it was a statement.
If you want my analysis, i would say this, he was a slightly above average player last time he was in the premiership. He got a few goals from midfield when he was at Bolton, technically, he wasnt all that as player.
I take your point, you are right, we already have players that are not good enough for Everton, but why add more which are not good enough?
To make the comparison with Cahill being from the championship isnt really valid. As Nolan has already played in the premiership & is in his latter years, whereas Cahill was a young promising player who was hungry to prove himself at the highest level, when we took a punt on him.
Another thread pointed out that he went for megabucks to west ham, which he may of. But, normally premiership quality players stay in the premiership, was there really any other offers for him? Scotty Parker didnt hang around there.
Are you sure you don't live in my neighbourhood in Wrongovia, i'm sure i may have seen you around there.
If you want my analysis, i would say this, he was a slightly above average player last time he was in the premiership. He got a few goals from midfield when he was at Bolton, technically, he wasnt all that as player.
I take your point, you are right, we already have players that are not good enough for Everton, but why add more which are not good enough?
To make the comparison with Cahill being from the championship isnt really valid. As Nolan has already played in the premiership & is in his latter years, whereas Cahill was a young promising player who was hungry to prove himself at the highest level, when we took a punt on him.
Another thread pointed out that he went for megabucks to west ham, which he may of. But, normally premiership quality players stay in the premiership, was there really any other offers for him? Scotty Parker didnt hang around there.
Are you sure you don't live in my neighbourhood in Wrongovia, i'm sure i may have seen you around there.
Why do I suddenly hear voices that Tony Hibbert is shite? He is a good defender. End of.
Just reading one of the letters on ToffeeWeb regarding Moyes's wages: he is the 12th highest paid manager in the world, believe it or not! No wonder he won't friggin leave!!!
Kenwright should show a little bottle and move Moyes on. 10 years is too long... the club needs fresh ideas. There will be loads of managers all over the world who will come for half that wage.
Kenwright should show a little bottle and move Moyes on. 10 years is too long... the club needs fresh ideas. There will be loads of managers all over the world who will come for half that wage.
The first thing we must look at in any potential signing is PACE.
We are the slowest team in the Prem.
We are the slowest team in the Prem.
Fellaini is an awesome player but we can't expect him to perform with a score of 10/10 every match.
That's how other big teams do it; if one of your star players has an off day, there are another 10 players who can step up.
We can't pin our hopes on Fellaini to have a stormer every single match. The problem for us is that his midfield teammates belong in a can of dog food.
That's how other big teams do it; if one of your star players has an off day, there are another 10 players who can step up.
We can't pin our hopes on Fellaini to have a stormer every single match. The problem for us is that his midfield teammates belong in a can of dog food.
Reading the internet this lunchtime, Arsenal and Chelsea are showing an interest in Fellaini. Only rumours but this will be the start of it.
The lad is good enough for a top four club and will surely be gone in the summer.
The contract was probably only signed so as we could get top money at the end of the season.
I think he would do well at Utd as they need to strengthen in midfield and he would be ideal.
The lad is good enough for a top four club and will surely be gone in the summer.
The contract was probably only signed so as we could get top money at the end of the season.
I think he would do well at Utd as they need to strengthen in midfield and he would be ideal.
I've been thinking for a while that he would be a good signing for utd,I think there will be a shake up at utd in the summer and a swap deal with Carrick could beon the cards.
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