Earlier in the Q&A session, the Everton boss refused to be drawn into further detail of why Drenthe was disciplined by the Club last weekend, merely reiterating that action had been taken and that was the end of it.
He also confirmed that the winger is not in the squad for Sunday's trip to Old Trafford.
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935 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:23:05
Football interviews have progressively degenerated into this pattern of banality, not helped by Sky Sports' reporters who have, over the years, pioneered (imported from the US?) the mind-numbing close-ended line of questioning.
"Well, David, you've won at Old Trafford for the first time and secured the Premier League title by a point over Sir Alex Ferguson's side. How important was that victory?"
Having said that, though, this ridiculous and pointless dance is part of the job, part of why Moyes is paid £65,000 a week. The least he could do is be a little less obtuse and evasive and pretend a little that he doesn't hold everybody in the room in utter contempt for daring to ask a few questions about the fate of one of his players.
He does himself no favours in shedding the "Dour Davey" tag with these painfully uncomfortable press conferences... but then I don't suppose he much cares.
Addendum:: To clarify, in case it seems as though I'm being harsh on the reporters, I think the afore-mentioned Sky-influenced culture and the fact that Moyes won't answer any questions of substance makes these pressers as dull as they are. They're just a formality, which is a shame.
936 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:35:50
937 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:34:09
940 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:41:05
But as regards Drenthe, if he's been messing around he deserves to be disciplined, regardless of how important the game is, because he too is paid more than enough, and FFS how difficult is it to stay on the straight and narrow to play football and get thousands a week to boot (terrible pun sorry gents). How many of us would've crawled over hot coals to play in the semi at Wembley? No excuse, get shut.
941 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:44:29
No excuse for a 'professional' sportsman to behave this way. I couldn't give a toss if he was our best player as he obviously doesn't give a toss about the club, his teammates or the fans.
Plus obviously because of his attitude he doesn't want a permanent deal.
This is speculation because as usual Everton can't be bothered to produce a proper statement to tell us what has gone on. Why, can't they give us the true story?
945 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:54:15
Anthony (#937) ? No player is bigger than the club, so NO, let's not play him in the big games, let's get rid as soon as we can and give Gueye, Coleman and hopefully Barkley some valuable experience for next year.
959 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:44:55
Got to admit the attitude Moyes displays in press conferences really winds me up. When he can actually be arsed attending and doesn't send Steve Round in his stead that is. As pointed out by others, media duties are part of his job. It's just totally unprofessional to flounce out the room like fucking Nicholas Cage after being asked if he's sporting such shit hair in preparation for playing a nonce in his next film.
It seems even more petty when you consider that Everton, and Moyes in particular, are given a pretty easy ride by the press. They practically fawn over the guy. It's not like he's fronting up to a hard hitting grilling or anything.
962 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:01:52
If he want's to walk out the room the 2nd time he is asked about Drenthe then fine. He was already in the process of getting up.
He's answered all other questions.
I've been one to criticise Moyes on these pages, but sometimes some are being unduly unfair.
So what if he is paid to do interviews. He's not paid to have a personality.
963 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:55:43
How hard (I mean really) is it to say...
"Er... yes, Roston Drenthe turned up at training last week. He was an hour and fifteen minutes late and was obviously inebriated. We simply don't tolerate that from anyone at Everton Football club, so once his loan period ends in May, he'll be Real Madrid's player again. He'll not be involved in any of our last few games".
Done (and it sends a message to any other loan players ? fuck about and your gone)
For a supposed straight-talking Scot, he doesn't half come across like a big soft tart sometimes.
And it's not "washing our dirty linen in public" or whatever, it's behaving like a grown-up.
964 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:23:53
As it is, Moyes's reaction to a reasonable question is both petty and unprofessional. Puts the club and him in a very poor light.
970 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:17:48
Have we really only been beaten 3 times in 17 games - blimey, due to the level of misery expressed on here I thought it must be at least 14 from 17 we've lost.
971 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:36:44
If he want's to walk out the room the 2nd time he is asked about Drenthe then fine. He was already in the process of getting up.The thing is, the second Drenthe question was very different to the first and tried to get to the heart of the player's future at EFC which, I'm sure, is what we all want to know. [Well, OK, we want to know officially because it's pretty obvious he's cooked his goose.]
Moyes could have simply ? politely! ? said "no further comment," and ended the interview there, but the way he deliberately stared the questioner in the face as he got up left no doubt about that he thought it a daring affront to be asked a perfectly reasonable question.
Now, he may have a prior beef with that journalist but FFS...
972 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:32:42
As to Drenthe, if he was the real deal, he would still be in Madrid. There are still a hell of a lot of things to like: good touch, pace, and a decent shot ? he might have even made a difference last week.
On the other hand, there is a bit of bad also, tactically he must be a nightmare to manage & play with & what goes on between the ears is a complete mystery to most. Would I like him to stay? Yes, if he can sort his head out; but that just is not going to happen.
974 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:37:40
977 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:43:38
Back then after a season of mediocrity the Terry Curran loan was a shot in the arm; a bolt of lightning down the wing and the next Everton great - the fans (including me) demanded that we signed him, letters to the Echo, his name chanted in the Street End 'Sign him up etc'.
So we did sign him...And he spent 3 years in the reserves and never scored a goal for us - there were lots of rumours going around as to why.
This Drenthe situation reminds me of the 'Curran effect'. They're similar type players - with similar off-field demons
We should be told the real reason why Drenthe has been disciplined, dismissed, disappeared? However, with modern media management - the less you say the less the bastards can twist your words.
978 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:34:49
Surly, on the defensive, semi-narked as a preset.
"What happens on the training ground stays..." etc blah.
Like kids playing secret squirrels
Personally I'd love to have been in charge of BBC Sport and met Shearer at some do just after he retired.
"Alan, we've been considering paying 200 large to a top player who has just retired. Basically, just to give a few comments on Match Of The Day.....however it's NOT going to be you. Why? Because every time we stuck a mic in front of you for the last 10 years and asked you a couple of nothing questions, you behaved like a narky prick who was being asked personal questions about his kids. So fuck you!"
As Woody Allen says in the cinema queue in Annie Hall - 'Wouldn't it be great if life was like this!'
979 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:48:14
So we've only been beaten 3 times in 17 games... Wow, I wish to god it would have been 4 so I would not have to go through what I have all week. I'm sick to death of this dour bastard and his lover the Corrie Thespian... the sooner the pair of them go, the better. I take it Drenthe won't be seen in an Everton shirt again then.
980 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:58:28
981 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:45:13
983 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:57:11
985 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:12:42
986 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:07:30
So does this boils down to the manager not being polite to a Interviewer, whom he may or may not have beef with?
I'd hate to read the reactions if Moyes has the personality of Gordon Stractham when replying to questions.
It's not that big a deal. Get over it.
987 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:19:41
Moyes shows complete disrespect for the fans.
988 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:34:25
989 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:21:51
Obviously I'm disappointed with this post but we move on.
I'm very pleased with the way posters have performed in general since Christmas and i hope we can continue with this form
Feller with microphone: "I know we've touched on this earlier but..what's the situation with Dave Wilson?"
Frowns, bulges eyes, leaves TW.
990 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:38:19
Brilliant, Eugene. Fucken hilarious!!!
991 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:46:51
992 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:38:34
994 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:40:43
The beginning of the end!
996 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:00:30
997 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:48:56
As I said a few months ago, if he sees 40 points as a preliminary target, firstly, it should be either 39 or 42, as three doesn't go into 40, and he should be aiming to have that total in the first 14 games.
He's so fucking in love with Neville and Howard too that he won't give Gibson - the man who has arguably turned our season around - a bit of limelight.
Walk away, David.
998 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:27:20
003 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:52:56
004 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:45:38
Your post #959 is the best thing I have ever read on Toffeeweb. If I was Dave Wilson, whom I respect, by the way, I'd print it off and have it framed.
Absolutely fucking brilliant.
005 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:56:18
009 Posted 21/04/2012 at 00:52:14
I know these interviews are pointless, contractual, wastes of time and energy, but walking out like that was contemptuous and ill-mannered by anyone's standards.
And has he forgotten about trying to line-up 11 players on the goal line at Manchester City earlier this season? Clearly so, judging by his comments on how pointless (literally), that would be.
God help us on Sunday without Baines and his unswerving allegiance to the senior players (when asked about compensating for his and Drenthe's absence, with Barkley).
We are going to get a thumping I fear, because he hasn't an ounce of inspiration left for those who are left and two wild-card players who could maybe give us a bit of an advantage are left out!
I'm all for balance and realism, but what about some positivity and optimism, Davey?
After last Saturday's heartbreak, it's time to really show your mettle now. Change things. Try something different. Evolve. Revolutionise.
So if we revert to the same old, same old at Old Trafford ? which never works ? where are we going and what lessons have (not) been learnt?
Thankfully we will have Pienaar back, but that, on its own, will not be enough.
Presumably Neville will be switched to left back and we'll have that match-winning axis of Osman in front of Hibbert on the right. Wow, what a prospect. I can't wait for the game. Tim Cahill up front too do we think?
Will he ever learn/change/reflect on past results/throw in a wild card?
If Drenthe has been disciplined, fair enough. Rules are rules and no player (unless you're Tevez and you really say you're sorry... truly sorry this time... honest...), the club is always bigger. But he's missed the semi and been fined one would assume, so time he was re-instated.
And if not and whatever he has done is deserving of more, then we are deserving of an explanation I feel.
Not some prima donna walkout from a man who will, once again play for a point and get fuck all against United.
You're an honorable man, Moyesie, and have stabilised this great club of ours and brought in some very good players. Now make them play a bit, or let's get in someone who can.
012 Posted 21/04/2012 at 01:13:22
025 Posted 21/04/2012 at 03:24:48
What we have to endure over here with the simply idiotic questions some of these dipshits throw out at coaches is mind boggling.
I thought Moyes handled the press conference well frankly. Nothing wrong at all if he looks put out when asked so many stupid, leading questions.
In America most of the coaches / managers would have confronted the second attempt at inquiring about Drenthe in a very aggressive fashion.
To simply give a quick stare and politely leave the room without lighting the guy up like a Christmas tree seems very reasonable.
Google Bobby Knight interview / reporters ....
American coaches simply don't put up with this type of stupidity.
So again, Lyndon may have a point about Sky importing Yank reporters. We've taken pointless press conferences to a silly level.
028 Posted 21/04/2012 at 06:17:49
Cue "dont be naive Jim, you have been sucked in by this dour Scottish thunder twat and his luvvy side kick Bullshitting Billy. They both had a meeting, in which Steve Round took minutes, and decided that because Drenthe can play attacking football he needed dropping."
033 Posted 21/04/2012 at 08:02:49
Sky Hic-Hac: "So, Moysie, what do you make of a pissed-up Drenthe, doing wheel-spins in his Ferrari in Morrison's car park?"
Ginger One: "Obviously the lad's got talent, as we all can see."
Hic-Hac: "Can you expand on his wild parties keeping neighbours up all night, one of which the illustrious Aldo!?"
Ginger Nuts: "The guy came highly reccomended, Real Madrid, no doubt, long's he does the Bizho, out on the park, that's all that matters... I am fond of a fine malt myself, I am."
Hic-Hac: "So we can expect him playing at Old Trafford then?"
Ginger twisted features [doing his best]: "I am a dead hard jock " cum jimmy Boyle kipper." [stands up and leaves the room showing a face looking like he has just followed through into his chinos]
"Nae feckin' comment."
037 Posted 21/04/2012 at 09:53:43
I can tell you right now, that game is not worth watching. We should boycott Moyes by staying away from home games, send a message to Moyes to get out of this great club. Moyes is a narcissistic and arrogant boring manager, with nothing to offer this club anymore.
SAY GOODBYE, MOYES!!!!!!!!!
040 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:18:17
Before the cameras/microphones are switched on, all managers will have outlined what questions they're not prepared to answer. EG if your star player has turned up for training off his tits on booze and beak - the whole room will know the rumours, they'll even have been briefed 'off the record' ? but if the manager, or more likely the press officer says 'We're not prepared to discuss this 'on the record' as it's an internal matter between an employer and an employee' any questions on this subject are off limits. The reporters know this ? any questions that do occur will be flat batted away.
All organisations, including football clubs, do this ? in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if there are legal implications that have restricted the amount and type of information that Everton FC can be open about.
Reporter: 'So David, Royston Drenthe ? will he figure in Everton's plans for the future?'
Moyes: 'No, he turned up pissed for training, is a huge coke-head and kept missing the team bus due to him giving more a fuck about him self and his habits than Everton football club and its supporters ? and he's a skilful player and, as all the loonies on Toffeeweb will tell you, I hate skill'
Three days later, a writ drops through the letter box of Goodison Park.
That's how these things work.
045 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:43:12
"Royston Drenthe turned up at training last week. He was an hour and fifteen minutes late and was obviously inebriated".
(if he wanted to further explain the last bit, he could add "His breath smelled of alcohol, his speech was slurred and he couldn't stand up, there are 12 others who saw him in this state")
..then what's the writ for?
And even if he didn't want to give SPECIFIC details, he could have said the player 'engaged in behaviour we at Everton Football Club find totally unacceptable, consequently he will take no further part... '
The whole thing I find so 'teenage'.
"We've got a secret and you don't know it and we're not tellin'".
049 Posted 21/04/2012 at 11:12:42
051 Posted 21/04/2012 at 11:22:40
054 Posted 21/04/2012 at 11:13:54
Also, with it being a potential breach of Drenthe's terms of employment under discussion, you can bet dollars to doughnuts that whoever is responsible for player contracts will not want the dirty linen washed in public.
You seem to be under the impression that reporters are there to tell us the truth and expose genuine information for the public... how quaint.
What will eventually happen is 'a source' from Everton Football Club will release an 'off the record' account of why Drenthe has not been offered a contract and didn't play - and it's just as likely to be a 'pile of shite' as an accurate account.
Teenager - most definitely... but that's how it works.
064 Posted 21/04/2012 at 12:14:55
082 Posted 21/04/2012 at 14:20:37
"The hobbits have gone to Isenguard"
088 Posted 21/04/2012 at 13:55:19
Also, as to writs etc, at no time did I suggest the club or Moyes should say..
"He's a bit of a bevvy merchant in my opinion" or (while pointing to nose) "He likes the other gear if you know what I mean"
Just that they tell us (the customers) the truth and treat us like adults, rather than treating us like children who need to be 'protected' from some awful family secret.
They could put it on the OS and just say to journos..
"The answer to that question is not a secret, a full explanation can be found on the club site, I can't be bothered going through the whole thing, next question".
Everybody happy (apart from Drenthe and his lawyer but fuck them).
093 Posted 21/04/2012 at 15:47:07
Put's that bit more pressure on a player who's at our closest rivals.
I personally couldn't really give a toss what get's said by anybody at the club. In fact I'd love it if they all kept quiet and done the talking on the pitch.
I know it'll never happen but there's only so many war cries from a scrawnbag with highlights and white boots you can read without wanting to kick his teeth in!
099 Posted 21/04/2012 at 16:06:26
Let's switch further comment over to that thread. Thanks!
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