Everton News, Season 2011-12
Moyes refuses to be drawn over Drenthe
David Moyes was in no mood to expand on Royston Drenthe's future at Everton, abruptly ending his pre-match press conference this afternoon and walking out after a reporter asked him if the Dutchman's Everton career was over.
51 Comments: Earlier in the Q&A session, the Everton boss refused to be drawn into further detail of why Drenthe was disciplined by the Club last weekend, merely reiterating that action had been taken and that was the end of it.
He also confirmed that the winger is not in the squad for Sunday's trip to Old Trafford.
Original Source: The Telegraph
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I'm suspecting Mr Drenthe has well and truly blotted his copybook then..
I'm sure Drenthe must deserve punishment but at this time in the season and important games we're playing, players like Drenthe are more than required. Moyes should punish him after the semis and Man Utd match because we NEED to win these games. No, no player is bigger than the club but then it's all about relevance and NO-ONE will remember why we lost to Liverpool or Man Utd ? only that we did.
I think he was about to administer a Glasgie Kiss on the last reporter. He obviously hates interviews, but as someone pointed out he's paid enough to do them.
But as regards Drenthe, if he's been messing around he deserves to be disciplined, regardless of how important the game is, because he too is paid more than enough, and FFS how difficult is it to stay on the straight and narrow to play football and get thousands a week to boot (terrible pun sorry gents). How many of us would've crawled over hot coals to play in the semi at Wembley? No excuse, get shut.
But as regards Drenthe, if he's been messing around he deserves to be disciplined, regardless of how important the game is, because he too is paid more than enough, and FFS how difficult is it to stay on the straight and narrow to play football and get thousands a week to boot (terrible pun sorry gents). How many of us would've crawled over hot coals to play in the semi at Wembley? No excuse, get shut.
On Drenthe, if he hasn't behaved himself then get rid straight away.
No excuse for a 'professional' sportsman to behave this way. I couldn't give a toss if he was our best player as he obviously doesn't give a toss about the club, his teammates or the fans.
Plus obviously because of his attitude he doesn't want a permanent deal.
This is speculation because as usual Everton can't be bothered to produce a proper statement to tell us what has gone on. Why, can't they give us the true story?
No excuse for a 'professional' sportsman to behave this way. I couldn't give a toss if he was our best player as he obviously doesn't give a toss about the club, his teammates or the fans.
Plus obviously because of his attitude he doesn't want a permanent deal.
This is speculation because as usual Everton can't be bothered to produce a proper statement to tell us what has gone on. Why, can't they give us the true story?
Moyes doesn't hate interviews. I have seen him at his best on Goals on Sunday etc. The Echo reporter who asks the mundane questions all throughout gets on my tits so I'm sure Moyes who deals with him week-in & week-out. He had also said all he wanted to on Drenthe to the first reporter and was about to leave before the second reporter tried to dig deeper, Moyes is well within his right to leave at this point.
Anthony (#937) ? No player is bigger than the club, so NO, let's not play him in the big games, let's get rid as soon as we can and give Gueye, Coleman and hopefully Barkley some valuable experience for next year.
Anthony (#937) ? No player is bigger than the club, so NO, let's not play him in the big games, let's get rid as soon as we can and give Gueye, Coleman and hopefully Barkley some valuable experience for next year.
Fucking drama queen.
Got to admit the attitude Moyes displays in press conferences really winds me up. When he can actually be arsed attending and doesn't send Steve Round in his stead that is. As pointed out by others, media duties are part of his job. It's just totally unprofessional to flounce out the room like fucking Nicholas Cage after being asked if he's sporting such shit hair in preparation for playing a nonce in his next film.
It seems even more petty when you consider that Everton, and Moyes in particular, are given a pretty easy ride by the press. They practically fawn over the guy. It's not like he's fronting up to a hard hitting grilling or anything.
Got to admit the attitude Moyes displays in press conferences really winds me up. When he can actually be arsed attending and doesn't send Steve Round in his stead that is. As pointed out by others, media duties are part of his job. It's just totally unprofessional to flounce out the room like fucking Nicholas Cage after being asked if he's sporting such shit hair in preparation for playing a nonce in his next film.
It seems even more petty when you consider that Everton, and Moyes in particular, are given a pretty easy ride by the press. They practically fawn over the guy. It's not like he's fronting up to a hard hitting grilling or anything.
I thought Moyes interview was ok. He fulfilled his media obligations. He actually gave a bit of input instead of being abrupt.
If he want's to walk out the room the 2nd time he is asked about Drenthe then fine. He was already in the process of getting up.
He's answered all other questions.
I've been one to criticise Moyes on these pages, but sometimes some are being unduly unfair.
So what if he is paid to do interviews. He's not paid to have a personality.
If he want's to walk out the room the 2nd time he is asked about Drenthe then fine. He was already in the process of getting up.
He's answered all other questions.
I've been one to criticise Moyes on these pages, but sometimes some are being unduly unfair.
So what if he is paid to do interviews. He's not paid to have a personality.
I've no idea what happened but let's say Drenthe got bladdered and turned up (late) for training.
How hard (I mean really) is it to say...
"Er... yes, Roston Drenthe turned up at training last week. He was an hour and fifteen minutes late and was obviously inebriated. We simply don't tolerate that from anyone at Everton Football club, so once his loan period ends in May, he'll be Real Madrid's player again. He'll not be involved in any of our last few games".
Done (and it sends a message to any other loan players ? fuck about and your gone)
For a supposed straight-talking Scot, he doesn't half come across like a big soft tart sometimes.
And it's not "washing our dirty linen in public" or whatever, it's behaving like a grown-up.
How hard (I mean really) is it to say...
"Er... yes, Roston Drenthe turned up at training last week. He was an hour and fifteen minutes late and was obviously inebriated. We simply don't tolerate that from anyone at Everton Football club, so once his loan period ends in May, he'll be Real Madrid's player again. He'll not be involved in any of our last few games".
Done (and it sends a message to any other loan players ? fuck about and your gone)
For a supposed straight-talking Scot, he doesn't half come across like a big soft tart sometimes.
And it's not "washing our dirty linen in public" or whatever, it's behaving like a grown-up.
Exactly, Eugene. What on earth is the problem with that?
As it is, Moyes's reaction to a reasonable question is both petty and unprofessional. Puts the club and him in a very poor light.
As it is, Moyes's reaction to a reasonable question is both petty and unprofessional. Puts the club and him in a very poor light.
Moyes's interviews are like Stephen Fry monologues compared to King Kenny's petulant growling...
Have we really only been beaten 3 times in 17 games - blimey, due to the level of misery expressed on here I thought it must be at least 14 from 17 we've lost.
Have we really only been beaten 3 times in 17 games - blimey, due to the level of misery expressed on here I thought it must be at least 14 from 17 we've lost.
If he want's to walk out the room the 2nd time he is asked about Drenthe then fine. He was already in the process of getting up.The thing is, the second Drenthe question was very different to the first and tried to get to the heart of the player's future at EFC which, I'm sure, is what we all want to know. [Well, OK, we want to know officially because it's pretty obvious he's cooked his goose.]
Moyes could have simply ? politely! ? said "no further comment," and ended the interview there, but the way he deliberately stared the questioner in the face as he got up left no doubt about that he thought it a daring affront to be asked a perfectly reasonable question.
Now, he may have a prior beef with that journalist but FFS...
Not seen the interview, not that bothered what Moyes says... it's a pretty rare event any manager ever says anything meaningful. It's all hint & inuendo.
As to Drenthe, if he was the real deal, he would still be in Madrid. There are still a hell of a lot of things to like: good touch, pace, and a decent shot ? he might have even made a difference last week.
On the other hand, there is a bit of bad also, tactically he must be a nightmare to manage & play with & what goes on between the ears is a complete mystery to most. Would I like him to stay? Yes, if he can sort his head out; but that just is not going to happen.
As to Drenthe, if he was the real deal, he would still be in Madrid. There are still a hell of a lot of things to like: good touch, pace, and a decent shot ? he might have even made a difference last week.
On the other hand, there is a bit of bad also, tactically he must be a nightmare to manage & play with & what goes on between the ears is a complete mystery to most. Would I like him to stay? Yes, if he can sort his head out; but that just is not going to happen.
Oh how dour is Moyes? ? his attitude in everything he does and every team he turns out is so so negative. It makes you want to slit your wrists it is so depressing. How much longer do we have to endure this crap?
I dunno if any other Blues remember Terry Curran (1982-83). He played for Sheffield United and was loaned to Everton - he had about 7 games on loan and looked shit-hot on the wing (he could also play inside)
Back then after a season of mediocrity the Terry Curran loan was a shot in the arm; a bolt of lightning down the wing and the next Everton great - the fans (including me) demanded that we signed him, letters to the Echo, his name chanted in the Street End 'Sign him up etc'.
So we did sign him...And he spent 3 years in the reserves and never scored a goal for us - there were lots of rumours going around as to why.
This Drenthe situation reminds me of the 'Curran effect'. They're similar type players - with similar off-field demons
We should be told the real reason why Drenthe has been disciplined, dismissed, disappeared? However, with modern media management - the less you say the less the bastards can twist your words.
Back then after a season of mediocrity the Terry Curran loan was a shot in the arm; a bolt of lightning down the wing and the next Everton great - the fans (including me) demanded that we signed him, letters to the Echo, his name chanted in the Street End 'Sign him up etc'.
So we did sign him...And he spent 3 years in the reserves and never scored a goal for us - there were lots of rumours going around as to why.
This Drenthe situation reminds me of the 'Curran effect'. They're similar type players - with similar off-field demons
We should be told the real reason why Drenthe has been disciplined, dismissed, disappeared? However, with modern media management - the less you say the less the bastards can twist your words.
To be fair, I think it's the same with a lot of managers and players.
Surly, on the defensive, semi-narked as a preset.
"What happens on the training ground stays..." etc blah.
Like kids playing secret squirrels
Personally I'd love to have been in charge of BBC Sport and met Shearer at some do just after he retired.
"Alan, we've been considering paying 200 large to a top player who has just retired. Basically, just to give a few comments on Match Of The Day.....however it's NOT going to be you. Why? Because every time we stuck a mic in front of you for the last 10 years and asked you a couple of nothing questions, you behaved like a narky prick who was being asked personal questions about his kids. So fuck you!"
As Woody Allen says in the cinema queue in Annie Hall - 'Wouldn't it be great if life was like this!'
Surly, on the defensive, semi-narked as a preset.
"What happens on the training ground stays..." etc blah.
Like kids playing secret squirrels
Personally I'd love to have been in charge of BBC Sport and met Shearer at some do just after he retired.
"Alan, we've been considering paying 200 large to a top player who has just retired. Basically, just to give a few comments on Match Of The Day.....however it's NOT going to be you. Why? Because every time we stuck a mic in front of you for the last 10 years and asked you a couple of nothing questions, you behaved like a narky prick who was being asked personal questions about his kids. So fuck you!"
As Woody Allen says in the cinema queue in Annie Hall - 'Wouldn't it be great if life was like this!'
Kevin (#970), that level of misery you're talking about has been exacerbated by two defeats... two fucking humiliating defeats... and one at the so-called home of football, by our nearest and dearest. Now I don't know about you but I have to work, live by, and drink with these gloating bastards, and believe me it isn't nice.
So we've only been beaten 3 times in 17 games... Wow, I wish to god it would have been 4 so I would not have to go through what I have all week. I'm sick to death of this dour bastard and his lover the Corrie Thespian... the sooner the pair of them go, the better. I take it Drenthe won't be seen in an Everton shirt again then.
So we've only been beaten 3 times in 17 games... Wow, I wish to god it would have been 4 so I would not have to go through what I have all week. I'm sick to death of this dour bastard and his lover the Corrie Thespian... the sooner the pair of them go, the better. I take it Drenthe won't be seen in an Everton shirt again then.
Lets hope its not for much longer. Sick of this bollocks. Moyes out!
Until we start playing good football or put one over the RS, I do not want to see or hear any self-serving bullshit from any member of Everton's grossly overpaid players, manager, or his clones.
Fuck knows what Royston has been up to but the look on Moyes face when he was asked that final question was priceless ! Ha
Maybe he scored a goal in training, and refused to defend!
"Moyes could have simply ? politely! ? said "no further.
So does this boils down to the manager not being polite to a Interviewer, whom he may or may not have beef with?
I'd hate to read the reactions if Moyes has the personality of Gordon Stractham when replying to questions.
It's not that big a deal. Get over it.
So does this boils down to the manager not being polite to a Interviewer, whom he may or may not have beef with?
I'd hate to read the reactions if Moyes has the personality of Gordon Stractham when replying to questions.
It's not that big a deal. Get over it.
Moyes owes the supporters an answer as to why Drenthe didn't play in last week's capitulation at Wembley.
Moyes shows complete disrespect for the fans.
Moyes shows complete disrespect for the fans.
Apparently him and his agent have been talking to the red shite about a transfer in the summer.
Sean, you say get over it - I'm over it, I'm just concentrating on the next post.
Obviously I'm disappointed with this post but we move on.
I'm very pleased with the way posters have performed in general since Christmas and i hope we can continue with this form
Feller with microphone: "I know we've touched on this earlier but..what's the situation with Dave Wilson?"
Frowns, bulges eyes, leaves TW.
Obviously I'm disappointed with this post but we move on.
I'm very pleased with the way posters have performed in general since Christmas and i hope we can continue with this form
Feller with microphone: "I know we've touched on this earlier but..what's the situation with Dave Wilson?"
Frowns, bulges eyes, leaves TW.
AaaaH Hahahahaha!
Brilliant, Eugene. Fucken hilarious!!!
ROFLOMBTIMELMAO
Brilliant, Eugene. Fucken hilarious!!!
ROFLOMBTIMELMAO
Ha ha very good Eugene.
Eugene, to be honest I generally think you are a bit of a tool. In an eccentric way rather way than anything nasty, so don't be offended. But every now and then you are very funny. I'm on the nightshift and that last post really made me laugh. So thanks pal, it helps the night go quicker.
I think he's started to lose the plot! DM, that is ? not Eugene!
The beginning of the end!
The beginning of the end!
Is the real reason that Drenthe signed a pre-contract agreement with Liverpool before the semi final? If that is true what does that say about our red friends?
It's not even the Drenthe issue in that interview that is the worst thing about it. It's the blatant lies Moyes tells when saying that he believes you have to try to win every game. That is absolute bollocks. He doesn't try to win every game. If he did, he wouldn't come out with this 40 point shit mid way through the season.
As I said a few months ago, if he sees 40 points as a preliminary target, firstly, it should be either 39 or 42, as three doesn't go into 40, and he should be aiming to have that total in the first 14 games.
He's so fucking in love with Neville and Howard too that he won't give Gibson - the man who has arguably turned our season around - a bit of limelight.
Walk away, David.
As I said a few months ago, if he sees 40 points as a preliminary target, firstly, it should be either 39 or 42, as three doesn't go into 40, and he should be aiming to have that total in the first 14 games.
He's so fucking in love with Neville and Howard too that he won't give Gibson - the man who has arguably turned our season around - a bit of limelight.
Walk away, David.
Jesus I can't take any more of that man. I hereby vow not to watch any more interviews of his from this day forward.
That glare reminded me of what my Dad used to give when the local priest turned up looking for a donation.
Eugene Ruane,
Your post #959 is the best thing I have ever read on Toffeeweb. If I was Dave Wilson, whom I respect, by the way, I'd print it off and have it framed.
Absolutely fucking brilliant.
Your post #959 is the best thing I have ever read on Toffeeweb. If I was Dave Wilson, whom I respect, by the way, I'd print it off and have it framed.
Absolutely fucking brilliant.
Sorry it was post 989. And I've just read it again, brilliant.
Losing a lot of respect for David Moyes recently.
I know these interviews are pointless, contractual, wastes of time and energy, but walking out like that was contemptuous and ill-mannered by anyone's standards.
And has he forgotten about trying to line-up 11 players on the goal line at Manchester City earlier this season? Clearly so, judging by his comments on how pointless (literally), that would be.
God help us on Sunday without Baines and his unswerving allegiance to the senior players (when asked about compensating for his and Drenthe's absence, with Barkley).
We are going to get a thumping I fear, because he hasn't an ounce of inspiration left for those who are left and two wild-card players who could maybe give us a bit of an advantage are left out!
I'm all for balance and realism, but what about some positivity and optimism, Davey?
After last Saturday's heartbreak, it's time to really show your mettle now. Change things. Try something different. Evolve. Revolutionise.
So if we revert to the same old, same old at Old Trafford ? which never works ? where are we going and what lessons have (not) been learnt?
Thankfully we will have Pienaar back, but that, on its own, will not be enough.
Presumably Neville will be switched to left back and we'll have that match-winning axis of Osman in front of Hibbert on the right. Wow, what a prospect. I can't wait for the game. Tim Cahill up front too do we think?
Will he ever learn/change/reflect on past results/throw in a wild card?
If Drenthe has been disciplined, fair enough. Rules are rules and no player (unless you're Tevez and you really say you're sorry... truly sorry this time... honest...), the club is always bigger. But he's missed the semi and been fined one would assume, so time he was re-instated.
And if not and whatever he has done is deserving of more, then we are deserving of an explanation I feel.
Not some prima donna walkout from a man who will, once again play for a point and get fuck all against United.
You're an honorable man, Moyesie, and have stabilised this great club of ours and brought in some very good players. Now make them play a bit, or let's get in someone who can.
I know these interviews are pointless, contractual, wastes of time and energy, but walking out like that was contemptuous and ill-mannered by anyone's standards.
And has he forgotten about trying to line-up 11 players on the goal line at Manchester City earlier this season? Clearly so, judging by his comments on how pointless (literally), that would be.
God help us on Sunday without Baines and his unswerving allegiance to the senior players (when asked about compensating for his and Drenthe's absence, with Barkley).
We are going to get a thumping I fear, because he hasn't an ounce of inspiration left for those who are left and two wild-card players who could maybe give us a bit of an advantage are left out!
I'm all for balance and realism, but what about some positivity and optimism, Davey?
After last Saturday's heartbreak, it's time to really show your mettle now. Change things. Try something different. Evolve. Revolutionise.
So if we revert to the same old, same old at Old Trafford ? which never works ? where are we going and what lessons have (not) been learnt?
Thankfully we will have Pienaar back, but that, on its own, will not be enough.
Presumably Neville will be switched to left back and we'll have that match-winning axis of Osman in front of Hibbert on the right. Wow, what a prospect. I can't wait for the game. Tim Cahill up front too do we think?
Will he ever learn/change/reflect on past results/throw in a wild card?
If Drenthe has been disciplined, fair enough. Rules are rules and no player (unless you're Tevez and you really say you're sorry... truly sorry this time... honest...), the club is always bigger. But he's missed the semi and been fined one would assume, so time he was re-instated.
And if not and whatever he has done is deserving of more, then we are deserving of an explanation I feel.
Not some prima donna walkout from a man who will, once again play for a point and get fuck all against United.
You're an honorable man, Moyesie, and have stabilised this great club of ours and brought in some very good players. Now make them play a bit, or let's get in someone who can.
Moyes thinks he's Alex Ferguson in his match interviews, exept that he has WON NOTHING IN 10 YEARS! Ferguson can think he's the main man because of what he's won, but Moyes... do me a favour! The quicker he leaves, the better; no wonder the team is so negative.
Lyndon hit the mark - it does seem some of these idiots were imported from the US.
What we have to endure over here with the simply idiotic questions some of these dipshits throw out at coaches is mind boggling.
I thought Moyes handled the press conference well frankly. Nothing wrong at all if he looks put out when asked so many stupid, leading questions.
In America most of the coaches / managers would have confronted the second attempt at inquiring about Drenthe in a very aggressive fashion.
To simply give a quick stare and politely leave the room without lighting the guy up like a Christmas tree seems very reasonable.
Cultural differences....
Google Bobby Knight interview / reporters ....
American coaches simply don't put up with this type of stupidity.
So again, Lyndon may have a point about Sky importing Yank reporters. We've taken pointless press conferences to a silly level.
What we have to endure over here with the simply idiotic questions some of these dipshits throw out at coaches is mind boggling.
I thought Moyes handled the press conference well frankly. Nothing wrong at all if he looks put out when asked so many stupid, leading questions.
In America most of the coaches / managers would have confronted the second attempt at inquiring about Drenthe in a very aggressive fashion.
To simply give a quick stare and politely leave the room without lighting the guy up like a Christmas tree seems very reasonable.
Cultural differences....
Google Bobby Knight interview / reporters ....
American coaches simply don't put up with this type of stupidity.
So again, Lyndon may have a point about Sky importing Yank reporters. We've taken pointless press conferences to a silly level.
There is a possibility that there are ongoing disciplinary actions in relation to Drenthe, in which case, he should not be talking about it. The same as any work place applying correct procedures in a professional manner. Drenthe may be contesting his punishment.
Cue "dont be naive Jim, you have been sucked in by this dour Scottish thunder twat and his luvvy side kick Bullshitting Billy. They both had a meeting, in which Steve Round took minutes, and decided that because Drenthe can play attacking football he needed dropping."
Cue "dont be naive Jim, you have been sucked in by this dour Scottish thunder twat and his luvvy side kick Bullshitting Billy. They both had a meeting, in which Steve Round took minutes, and decided that because Drenthe can play attacking football he needed dropping."
Maybe it's a jock thing? You only have to look at the grimacing you get from the fucking king when a mic is shoved in front of him and the way they both treat it as an interrogation to realise ole ginger nuts "is mae Aaron cardea cleen, Morag?" dose'nae like bein questioned.
Sky Hic-Hac: "So, Moysie, what do you make of a pissed-up Drenthe, doing wheel-spins in his Ferrari in Morrison's car park?"
Ginger One: "Obviously the lad's got talent, as we all can see."
Hic-Hac: "Can you expand on his wild parties keeping neighbours up all night, one of which the illustrious Aldo!?"
Ginger Nuts: "The guy came highly reccomended, Real Madrid, no doubt, long's he does the Bizho, out on the park, that's all that matters... I am fond of a fine malt myself, I am."
Hic-Hac: "So we can expect him playing at Old Trafford then?"
Ginger twisted features [doing his best]: "I am a dead hard jock " cum jimmy Boyle kipper." [stands up and leaves the room showing a face looking like he has just followed through into his chinos]
"Nae feckin' comment."
Sky Hic-Hac: "So, Moysie, what do you make of a pissed-up Drenthe, doing wheel-spins in his Ferrari in Morrison's car park?"
Ginger One: "Obviously the lad's got talent, as we all can see."
Hic-Hac: "Can you expand on his wild parties keeping neighbours up all night, one of which the illustrious Aldo!?"
Ginger Nuts: "The guy came highly reccomended, Real Madrid, no doubt, long's he does the Bizho, out on the park, that's all that matters... I am fond of a fine malt myself, I am."
Hic-Hac: "So we can expect him playing at Old Trafford then?"
Ginger twisted features [doing his best]: "I am a dead hard jock " cum jimmy Boyle kipper." [stands up and leaves the room showing a face looking like he has just followed through into his chinos]
"Nae feckin' comment."
Season is over. No Europe because Drenthe should have played in the semi; now Drenthe is out for the Man Utd game as well.
I can tell you right now, that game is not worth watching. We should boycott Moyes by staying away from home games, send a message to Moyes to get out of this great club. Moyes is a narcissistic and arrogant boring manager, with nothing to offer this club anymore.
SAY GOODBYE, MOYES!!!!!!!!!
I can tell you right now, that game is not worth watching. We should boycott Moyes by staying away from home games, send a message to Moyes to get out of this great club. Moyes is a narcissistic and arrogant boring manager, with nothing to offer this club anymore.
SAY GOODBYE, MOYES!!!!!!!!!
Jamie, Jim ? you're both right and you've also got to take into account the way these thing (press conferences) work.
Before the cameras/microphones are switched on, all managers will have outlined what questions they're not prepared to answer. EG if your star player has turned up for training off his tits on booze and beak - the whole room will know the rumours, they'll even have been briefed 'off the record' ? but if the manager, or more likely the press officer says 'We're not prepared to discuss this 'on the record' as it's an internal matter between an employer and an employee' any questions on this subject are off limits. The reporters know this ? any questions that do occur will be flat batted away.
All organisations, including football clubs, do this ? in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if there are legal implications that have restricted the amount and type of information that Everton FC can be open about.
EG
Reporter: 'So David, Royston Drenthe ? will he figure in Everton's plans for the future?'
Moyes: 'No, he turned up pissed for training, is a huge coke-head and kept missing the team bus due to him giving more a fuck about him self and his habits than Everton football club and its supporters ? and he's a skilful player and, as all the loonies on Toffeeweb will tell you, I hate skill'
Three days later, a writ drops through the letter box of Goodison Park.
That's how these things work.
Before the cameras/microphones are switched on, all managers will have outlined what questions they're not prepared to answer. EG if your star player has turned up for training off his tits on booze and beak - the whole room will know the rumours, they'll even have been briefed 'off the record' ? but if the manager, or more likely the press officer says 'We're not prepared to discuss this 'on the record' as it's an internal matter between an employer and an employee' any questions on this subject are off limits. The reporters know this ? any questions that do occur will be flat batted away.
All organisations, including football clubs, do this ? in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if there are legal implications that have restricted the amount and type of information that Everton FC can be open about.
EG
Reporter: 'So David, Royston Drenthe ? will he figure in Everton's plans for the future?'
Moyes: 'No, he turned up pissed for training, is a huge coke-head and kept missing the team bus due to him giving more a fuck about him self and his habits than Everton football club and its supporters ? and he's a skilful player and, as all the loonies on Toffeeweb will tell you, I hate skill'
Three days later, a writ drops through the letter box of Goodison Park.
That's how these things work.
Kevin if (as I suggested) Moyes had said..
"Royston Drenthe turned up at training last week. He was an hour and fifteen minutes late and was obviously inebriated".
(if he wanted to further explain the last bit, he could add "His breath smelled of alcohol, his speech was slurred and he couldn't stand up, there are 12 others who saw him in this state")
..then what's the writ for?
And even if he didn't want to give SPECIFIC details, he could have said the player 'engaged in behaviour we at Everton Football Club find totally unacceptable, consequently he will take no further part... '
Etc blah.
The whole thing I find so 'teenage'.
"We've got a secret and you don't know it and we're not tellin'".
"Royston Drenthe turned up at training last week. He was an hour and fifteen minutes late and was obviously inebriated".
(if he wanted to further explain the last bit, he could add "His breath smelled of alcohol, his speech was slurred and he couldn't stand up, there are 12 others who saw him in this state")
..then what's the writ for?
And even if he didn't want to give SPECIFIC details, he could have said the player 'engaged in behaviour we at Everton Football Club find totally unacceptable, consequently he will take no further part... '
Etc blah.
The whole thing I find so 'teenage'.
"We've got a secret and you don't know it and we're not tellin'".
These press conferences are boring because journalists don't have the nerve to ask serious questions. I don't whether this is because they think they will be banned from them by the club. It wasn't just the Drenthe issue that fans deserved a proper answer to that last question. Some one should have asked a more probing question about Ross Barkley. Moyes is on record as saying that he was going to be playing him in the first team in April. Well if he isn't going to play against Man Utd that only leaves the Fulham game.
I've just read an interview on the Everton website with Moyes.He says "OT is the best place to go after the semi because we can go there and play with a bit of freedom" hahahahahaha.
Eugene - agreed, teenager most definitely... but any contestable statement that drifts into the realm of defamation and is potentially libelous will be 'on the record' if it's discussed whilst the cameras are rolling and the microphones are switched on.
Also, with it being a potential breach of Drenthe's terms of employment under discussion, you can bet dollars to doughnuts that whoever is responsible for player contracts will not want the dirty linen washed in public.
You seem to be under the impression that reporters are there to tell us the truth and expose genuine information for the public... how quaint.
What will eventually happen is 'a source' from Everton Football Club will release an 'off the record' account of why Drenthe has not been offered a contract and didn't play - and it's just as likely to be a 'pile of shite' as an accurate account.
Teenager - most definitely... but that's how it works.
Also, with it being a potential breach of Drenthe's terms of employment under discussion, you can bet dollars to doughnuts that whoever is responsible for player contracts will not want the dirty linen washed in public.
You seem to be under the impression that reporters are there to tell us the truth and expose genuine information for the public... how quaint.
What will eventually happen is 'a source' from Everton Football Club will release an 'off the record' account of why Drenthe has not been offered a contract and didn't play - and it's just as likely to be a 'pile of shite' as an accurate account.
Teenager - most definitely... but that's how it works.
He said you can't go for a draw at Man Utd. He went defensive in a semi-final. 10 years too long now without a trophy.
Well, after watching the interview, all I can say to our inspirational manager is:
"The hobbits have gone to Isenguard"
"The hobbits have gone to Isenguard"
Kevin my (quaint) opinion of the press (or 'reporters') is that 99.5% of them work on an ethical level that is a notch lower than a snake's ball-bag.
Also, as to writs etc, at no time did I suggest the club or Moyes should say..
"He's a bit of a bevvy merchant in my opinion" or (while pointing to nose) "He likes the other gear if you know what I mean"
Just that they tell us (the customers) the truth and treat us like adults, rather than treating us like children who need to be 'protected' from some awful family secret.
They could put it on the OS and just say to journos..
"The answer to that question is not a secret, a full explanation can be found on the club site, I can't be bothered going through the whole thing, next question".
Everybody happy (apart from Drenthe and his lawyer but fuck them).
Also, as to writs etc, at no time did I suggest the club or Moyes should say..
"He's a bit of a bevvy merchant in my opinion" or (while pointing to nose) "He likes the other gear if you know what I mean"
Just that they tell us (the customers) the truth and treat us like adults, rather than treating us like children who need to be 'protected' from some awful family secret.
They could put it on the OS and just say to journos..
"The answer to that question is not a secret, a full explanation can be found on the club site, I can't be bothered going through the whole thing, next question".
Everybody happy (apart from Drenthe and his lawyer but fuck them).
If I was Moyes, who must surely know the twat's signing for the shite, I'd publicly fuck him off and sully his reputation.
Put's that bit more pressure on a player who's at our closest rivals.
I personally couldn't really give a toss what get's said by anybody at the club. In fact I'd love it if they all kept quiet and done the talking on the pitch.
I know it'll never happen but there's only so many war cries from a scrawnbag with highlights and white boots you can read without wanting to kick his teeth in!
Put's that bit more pressure on a player who's at our closest rivals.
I personally couldn't really give a toss what get's said by anybody at the club. In fact I'd love it if they all kept quiet and done the talking on the pitch.
I know it'll never happen but there's only so many war cries from a scrawnbag with highlights and white boots you can read without wanting to kick his teeth in!
Re Kevin's (504) prediction, seems that story has now been provided to the pliant Echo hack...
Let's switch further comment over to that thread. Thanks!
Let's switch further comment over to that thread. Thanks!
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Football interviews have progressively degenerated into this pattern of banality, not helped by Sky Sports' reporters who have, over the years, pioneered (imported from the US?) the mind-numbing close-ended line of questioning.
"Well, David, you've won at Old Trafford for the first time and secured the Premier League title by a point over Sir Alex Ferguson's side. How important was that victory?"
Having said that, though, this ridiculous and pointless dance is part of the job, part of why Moyes is paid £65,000 a week. The least he could do is be a little less obtuse and evasive and pretend a little that he doesn't hold everybody in the room in utter contempt for daring to ask a few questions about the fate of one of his players.
He does himself no favours in shedding the "Dour Davey" tag with these painfully uncomfortable press conferences... but then I don't suppose he much cares.
Addendum:: To clarify, in case it seems as though I'm being harsh on the reporters, I think the afore-mentioned Sky-influenced culture and the fact that Moyes won't answer any questions of substance makes these pressers as dull as they are. They're just a formality, which is a shame.