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Everton News, Season 2011-12
Ferguson will pick Moyes
Tommy Docherty believes Sir Alex Ferguson will be allowed to choose his own successor and could select David Moyes based on the Scot's record at Everton despite a shoestring budget.
31 Comments: Ferguson said in February he wanted to continue for "two or three more years" and Docherty told BBC Sport that he believes it's Ferguson who will make the decision over who takes his place, "not the directors."
"I think it will be David Moyes because they are good friends. He's done a great job at Everton with no money."
Docherty, managed United between 1972 and 1977 and he that says replacing someone who has won 12 league titles and two European Cups in 25 years at Old Trafford is "an impossible task".
He believes Moyes's record of four top-six finishes in 10 years on a shoestring budget, has what it takes.
"If I was a gambling man I would say David Moyes," Docherty continued. "He's an ex-player, but not a great player, just as Sir Alex wasn't a great player, but their records as managers are fantastic.
"Alec will probably move upstairs, but he will want a new manager who knows how the game is played, how the club should be run and keep in contact with him about what's going on."
Ferguson almost retired in 2002 but changed his mind, and Docherty wouldn't be surprised to see the 70-year-old go beyond the three years he mentioned.
"I think he will carry on managing Manchester United as long as keeps his enthusiasm and his health."
"If he does that that there's no reason he can't carry on for I don't know how long."
Original Source: BBC Sport
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...and Docherty was what? An average player and a totally shite Manager (circa 14 average clubs). Don't you just love it when they get an "expert" opinion!
Must have had some 'lad' on him though Gerry.
More chance of Sir Alex picking me.
Moyes will never manage a top 4 club.
10 years at one club and no trophy ...
Moyes will never manage a top 4 club.
10 years at one club and no trophy ...
"he will want a new manager who knows how the game is played"
Hilarious.
Hilarious.
Ian Glassey 217
But he already did.
But he already did.
Sorry Dean.
I meant the so called Sky 4.
I meant the so called Sky 4.
Can't see Moyes leaving (fine by me),nor current ownership (unfortunately). Better consider who counts Moyes- succeeding-gramps-wise. The Glazers count, not Ferguson.
Ownership will make the call as to who succeeds him. However many 1,000s are knuckling their foreheads or genuflecting as SAF walks out the door for the last time.
The Glazers would LOVE Moyes. As they've been pocketing 10s of millions since they bought that club, they'd like nothing better than signing a manager who can do the most with very little financing.
That's Moyes.
Ownership will make the call as to who succeeds him. However many 1,000s are knuckling their foreheads or genuflecting as SAF walks out the door for the last time.
The Glazers would LOVE Moyes. As they've been pocketing 10s of millions since they bought that club, they'd like nothing better than signing a manager who can do the most with very little financing.
That's Moyes.
OK... and the bad news is?
Moyes a dead cert for Utd - and Harry Redknapp for England.
And if he does go and wins lots of trophies, people on here will say why didn't he do that at Everton? Hilarious.
I wouldn't wish him on my worst enemy, er' on second thoughts.
Sam (350) - On the post 'Everton lead in performance analytics', you (349) 'argued'...
"If moyes had been given money to buy those players last summer then...."
On this thread it's..
"And if he does go and wins lots of trophies, people on here will say why didn't he do that at Everton? Hilarious".
Well IF you're not careful, people are going to notice your posts have a certain 'pattern' to them.
Enjoy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJeEKP8TGY&feature=related
"If moyes had been given money to buy those players last summer then...."
On this thread it's..
"And if he does go and wins lots of trophies, people on here will say why didn't he do that at Everton? Hilarious".
Well IF you're not careful, people are going to notice your posts have a certain 'pattern' to them.
Enjoy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJeEKP8TGY&feature=related
Makes me laugh, Moyes has got us to top 7, cup semi, and spent about 6m this season to get it done. Take what we made last year in sales... and he probably has spent zip... but people criticise cos we don't win a trophy.
For all his faults, and he does have them, (crap starts to the season and his tactics at times etc) We compete EVERY year with the teams who outspend us about 50:1. This will be our 8th top 7 finish in 10 years. I don't know any other manager who does that. God, even O'Neil, who everyone says is brlliant spends ALOT to get there.
Whether given money he would be ace or not, I don't know, some of his big buys have worked, others haven't, same as most managers, but I for one wouldn't want him to leave because some people are made for clubs ( Pienaar as well) and I don't think there is anyone else who could do what he has done, given his resources.
I just hope he gets the support he deserves, and we the supporters deserve to see if we can push on and challenge the top 4 or 5.... because he, the players and we deserve it.
For all his faults, and he does have them, (crap starts to the season and his tactics at times etc) We compete EVERY year with the teams who outspend us about 50:1. This will be our 8th top 7 finish in 10 years. I don't know any other manager who does that. God, even O'Neil, who everyone says is brlliant spends ALOT to get there.
Whether given money he would be ace or not, I don't know, some of his big buys have worked, others haven't, same as most managers, but I for one wouldn't want him to leave because some people are made for clubs ( Pienaar as well) and I don't think there is anyone else who could do what he has done, given his resources.
I just hope he gets the support he deserves, and we the supporters deserve to see if we can push on and challenge the top 4 or 5.... because he, the players and we deserve it.
Eugene, any different to the pattern of people who say that if moyes attacked more we would win or if we had a new manager we would do better?
Whats your point exactly?
Whats your point exactly?
Eugene- thanks for the song by the way!
Sam - no one is saying we would be guaranteed to be better under a new manager, however many Moyes followers believe that no one else can do a better job.
See the difference?
Fact is however, in recent games we have attacked more and low and behold - we play better football, score goals and ......win. A much better strategy than nick one and keep it tight, which has been deployed for numerous seasons on a regular basis and not just the start of this season.
Chris Green, assuming BK doesn't go anywhere soon, would you be happy having Moyes for another 5 years? That would be 15 years in total....
See the difference?
Fact is however, in recent games we have attacked more and low and behold - we play better football, score goals and ......win. A much better strategy than nick one and keep it tight, which has been deployed for numerous seasons on a regular basis and not just the start of this season.
Chris Green, assuming BK doesn't go anywhere soon, would you be happy having Moyes for another 5 years? That would be 15 years in total....
Dennis, i'm not sure your first statement is true. Sadly i have seen quite a few posts on here that indicate the poster would rather see anyone other than Moyes.
I'm a Moyes follower and certainly don't think that there is no-one else who could do a better job. I think the likes of Brendan Rogers would be a very interesting and potentially positive change. I do however believe, unlike a lot on here, that on the whole Moyes has done a pretty good job in trying circumstances and some of the criticism he receives strikes me as churlish in the extreme.
I'm a Moyes follower and certainly don't think that there is no-one else who could do a better job. I think the likes of Brendan Rogers would be a very interesting and potentially positive change. I do however believe, unlike a lot on here, that on the whole Moyes has done a pretty good job in trying circumstances and some of the criticism he receives strikes me as churlish in the extreme.
Hi Denis, well.. I would be happy with 5 more years of top 7 finishes until major investment MAY OR MAY NOT be found.. I find that alot more palatable than us getting Alan Curbishley or some such (who we could afford) and having 2 years in the prem and then Championship football and the chances of investment even less.
Dont' get me wrong my friend, I am not saying he doesn't have faults and there are times I get as frustrated as everyone else... but when I look at the achievements he has, on what he has available, I think he is a pretty good choice. Just my opinion.
Dont' get me wrong my friend, I am not saying he doesn't have faults and there are times I get as frustrated as everyone else... but when I look at the achievements he has, on what he has available, I think he is a pretty good choice. Just my opinion.
Dour dull defensive football is the recipe for success, it would seem... 10 years... perhaps another 5 years of attacking attractive football will see us playing Stathorpe Utd?
Chris
Why does a change in manager equal relegation? Is Moyes really worth 20 points a season?
Are you suggesting our players are no better than Bolton's and it's only because of Moyes we're not down there now?
Why does a change in manager equal relegation? Is Moyes really worth 20 points a season?
Are you suggesting our players are no better than Bolton's and it's only because of Moyes we're not down there now?
Paul, I am suggesting that there are a lot of teams who have spent more than us, like Bolton, QPR etc, whose players in theory are as good as ours who are not currently 7th and haven't been in or around that mark for a long time.
I do think the current manager has something to do with that, yes. Look at Sunderland: same players... different manager... different team. Yes. I believe the manager affects the team and the way it plays.
I do think the current manager has something to do with that, yes. Look at Sunderland: same players... different manager... different team. Yes. I believe the manager affects the team and the way it plays.
Chris, I totally agree the manager affects the team and the way it plays; what I will refute though is that, without Moyes, we will all off a sudden become relegation fodder.
Paul, opinions opinions...totally respect yours... I would rather stay top 7 with the devil we know than who knows where with the one we don't... just look at QPR! ;-)
What about QPR, Chris? This is there first season back in the top flight, this is about our 60th.
Yeah and they changed a pretty successful manager who had done very well for them for a new one thinking it would catapult them.. and ...well ... it hasn't.... despite the millions he spent.
Just my opinion Paul... not looking for an argument, not saying Moyes is the greatest manager since Veccini... but I think they guy is passionate, solid and has done wonders... whether he can move us on with no money.. dunno... with money.. well time will tell.. but he has made us a top 7 club which others before him, despite money, couldn't.
Just my opinion Paul... not looking for an argument, not saying Moyes is the greatest manager since Veccini... but I think they guy is passionate, solid and has done wonders... whether he can move us on with no money.. dunno... with money.. well time will tell.. but he has made us a top 7 club which others before him, despite money, couldn't.
I highly doubt it but stranger things have happened.
Chris if you think I'm coming across as aggressive, I'm sorry; I do get carried away sometimes.
Their change of manager didn't change things for the better or worse, they were poor before and poor now. It does not mean every change will result in a downturn in fortunes.
You say Moyes is passionate; for me, he is more passionate about not getting beat than winning.
Solid? Yes, I agree.
Done wonders? Initially yes... but not for a few years now.
Whos Veccini? Going to have to look him up now.
Their change of manager didn't change things for the better or worse, they were poor before and poor now. It does not mean every change will result in a downturn in fortunes.
You say Moyes is passionate; for me, he is more passionate about not getting beat than winning.
Solid? Yes, I agree.
Done wonders? Initially yes... but not for a few years now.
Whos Veccini? Going to have to look him up now.
Veccini was Italian Manager... made two subs in a European game (Vialli was one I think) and both players scored within about 2 mins of coming on... GENIUS! :-) Was mentioned in Bob Mills Heroes and Villains of the European Championships... DEF worth a look!
No problem Paul. I agree, we haven't moved forward in recent years... but we haven't really slipped back, and when you see the investment in other sides around us, and not just the top 5, it amazes me we are still able to keep doing what we do. That's all!
Don't worry... I get passionate too... my twin is a red... so I am ALWAYS having these discussions! :-)
No problem Paul. I agree, we haven't moved forward in recent years... but we haven't really slipped back, and when you see the investment in other sides around us, and not just the top 5, it amazes me we are still able to keep doing what we do. That's all!
Don't worry... I get passionate too... my twin is a red... so I am ALWAYS having these discussions! :-)
So your Schwarzenegger and he's De Vito haha (no offence).
I would have gone for a better looking first option... but I see where you are going with this! :-)
Another thread of the grass could be, should be greener with a couple of people questioning the claims about the grass. Moyes could well go to Man U, but 3 years is a long time so I don't think it is anything which should be a hope or worry, depending on your desires for the future management of the club.
With the exception of a few, most fans are very fickle, the first sign of under performance and the managers head is being called for, many at Tot have been asking questions of late, but go back a couple of months and Harry was the real deal. I remember when people questioned if Shearer was any good at a striker, most of these opinions are based on the shallowest piece of evidence and change when the next win is produced. Moyes has done a lot of things right, you can't argue that judged on league performance, awards won etc then he is brilliant, to judge him on a few mistakes not only shows poor consideration but a degree of understand of performance which could be surpassed by a idiot. You can respect that some fans don't like him, others don't like his style of football, but you can't argue with where the club have finished since Moyes has taken over.
As for, we will be relegated, or better off with someone else, who knows, who cares, why spend time day dreaming about firstly Moyes is not going and there are no signs that he is; and second who can we get to replace him, history tells us it might not be who we want.
With the exception of a few, most fans are very fickle, the first sign of under performance and the managers head is being called for, many at Tot have been asking questions of late, but go back a couple of months and Harry was the real deal. I remember when people questioned if Shearer was any good at a striker, most of these opinions are based on the shallowest piece of evidence and change when the next win is produced. Moyes has done a lot of things right, you can't argue that judged on league performance, awards won etc then he is brilliant, to judge him on a few mistakes not only shows poor consideration but a degree of understand of performance which could be surpassed by a idiot. You can respect that some fans don't like him, others don't like his style of football, but you can't argue with where the club have finished since Moyes has taken over.
As for, we will be relegated, or better off with someone else, who knows, who cares, why spend time day dreaming about firstly Moyes is not going and there are no signs that he is; and second who can we get to replace him, history tells us it might not be who we want.
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