Everton News, Season 2011-12

Baxter set to sign new Everton deal

10/05/2012 |  35 Comments: First  |  Last
Jose Baxter has reportedly been offered a two-year extension to his current Everton contract and will put pen to paper at the end of the season.

The 20 year-old has been a Reserve team regular and occasionally on the fringes of David Moyes's first-team squad for the past three or four years but has not, as yet, been able to break into the senior squad.

He did enough in his loan spell at Tranmere Rovers earlier this season and for Alan Stubb in the Blues' second string to earn a new contract that will keep him at Goodison until 2014.

Original Source: Daily Post North Wales

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Jason Heng
175   Posted 10/05/2012 at 20:29:09

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Will he be a late bloomer, the next Osman?
Andrew Fair
178   Posted 10/05/2012 at 20:37:20

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Will he be a late bloomer? The lads 20, thats young! Not many players at any teams in prem or abroad break through until early 20s!
Tom Rowe
195   Posted 10/05/2012 at 21:41:13

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Rooney scored a hatrick and got an assist in his champ league debut when he was still 18 so in those terms, yes he is a late bloomer.
Mark Stone
196   Posted 10/05/2012 at 21:46:12

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Ahh Rooney ... And therein lies the problem. Every half decent (or even rumoured half decent) should be in replacing experienced internationals the day after they turn 16, Andrew. That's the 'Everton Way'
Tom Rowe
197   Posted 10/05/2012 at 21:49:56

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Haha yeah defo. That's not to say I don't rate Baxter, just in comparison he is a "late bloomer"
James Stewart
208   Posted 10/05/2012 at 23:13:58

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Pointless. Not good enough. Too slow.
Jem Traynor
241   Posted 11/05/2012 at 06:01:42

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I don't get seeing this kid come on the scene four years ago til now? Back then, he was smaller in build but would have had a good fitness level; I knew he would naturally bulk out a bit but it seems to have carried on! He doesn't look in shape for a top flight game?

He looks more like a player from the eighties than a modern day one, I think. Due to his size (height-wise) and build, he has had to adapt by putting on weight to scrap while on the ball. After all, it is still a man's game and there's nothing worse than being eased off a ball with ease! Shame though, the lad has an absolutely sweet deft touch and skill on the ball.

I hope he does make it into the first team but I can't see it.
Andrew Fair
253   Posted 11/05/2012 at 08:07:36

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Tom ? In comparison to Ian Wright (one of the Premier League's best strikers), he is an early bloomer, so comparisons like that are pointless! Most players dont break through till their 20s, only Messi and Rooney of current players have broken through early and gone on to sustain it!

Baxter has a great touch, good vision and has an eye for a goal! He should hopefully be used best in a Number 10 role, and I believe with Moyes saying he wants to build around Jelavic then this contract is no coincidence and he will be trying Baxter (amongst others) in the support role through pre-season.

By all accounts, he has worked very very hard on his fitness and his attitude to 'make' it spot on. Cahill has mentioned on Twitter that Baxter's work ethic and attitude deserve a chance.

James ? "pointless, too slow"? That's what United said about Scholes and look where he is now!
Liam Reilly
290   Posted 11/05/2012 at 11:32:35

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Considering how well he did on loan, this makes good business sense. I reckon he'll be loaned out to a championship cllub or preferably one of the Premier Newbies and see how he goes.

Worst case, he'll still have a year left on his contract come next summer and will be worth something in the transfer market, whilst best case he forces his way into Moyes thoughts.
Joe Clitherow
293   Posted 11/05/2012 at 11:57:50

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Worst case surely is we pay his wages for two years and he isn't worth anything meaningful at the end of it?

Personally I think he needs to lose a couple of stone before we find out what he can really do - and if he finds out any easy way to do that please can he let me know how.
Thomas Windsor
350   Posted 11/05/2012 at 15:56:30

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Hope the lad comes good. We need more players in our squad who will play a lot of games... why McFadden is still at Everton, I dont know.
Dick Fearon
421   Posted 11/05/2012 at 22:28:11

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For all his undoubted skill on the ball, Osman would not hold down a place in most other PL clubs. He is far too easily knocked off the ball, has no power in his shot etc etc.

I have always puzzled at someone so lacking in pre-requisites for a modern day midfield gets picked for that role. Posters have noted the same kind of weaknesses apply to Baxter.

I wish the young fellow all the best but, as in Osman's case, a lot more than foot skills are needed.
Dick Fearon
440   Posted 12/05/2012 at 03:18:17

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My Gramma was in Hospital when I wrote that. Please accept my apologies.
Jimmy Sørheim
455   Posted 12/05/2012 at 08:04:59

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Baxter is just the type we need, only he needs to work on his pace and strength. If he does that then he could turn out a good right winger, if he isn't already. We cannot afford to hand away young players that are close to break through the first team.

If we can get Pienaar and another top winger then we have a decent squad.
Chris Morris
456   Posted 12/05/2012 at 08:21:45

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He's poo. He's even poo when he goes out on loan to poo sides.

Poo.
Dick Fearon
459   Posted 12/05/2012 at 08:34:43

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Not having seen him, I have to go by others' views and they vary dramatically. Putting aside arguments about Baxter's foot skills, he apparently lacks speed over the ground and is small in stature. In light our experience with other lightweight slow-moving midfielders, I am not optimistic. Hopefully I will be proved wrong.
Glen Anderson
464   Posted 12/05/2012 at 09:35:48

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I've seen the lad play. He did very well at Tranmere and not "poo" as Chris stated.

He's still developing, still maturing, but other observers may be right that he will never be fast or tall.

He may end up a winger as his problem is that he sees himself as playing in the hole behind the striker. I doubt Moyes will ever play him there, so on the wing it may be.

He can cross, can shoot and he has decent passing and vision. I wouldn't say his creativity is amazing but it's enough to call him a creative attacking player. Still only 20, he just might break through. This two-year contract is certainly his last chance saloon.
Glen Anderson
466   Posted 12/05/2012 at 09:46:43

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Forgot to say that he's just won Reserve Team Player of the Year, but Agard won that trophy in 2009 so not exactly a reliable yardstick.
Mark Stone
481   Posted 12/05/2012 at 11:39:58

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"For all his undoubted skill on the ball, Osman would not hold down a place in most other PL clubs. He is far too easily knocked off the ball, has no power in his shot etc etc."

Having worked with several cuurent and former Premier League managers, I can tell you that this is absolute bullshit. Osman is very highly thought of and there are a lot of Premier League managers who would love to have him in their side.
Chris Morris
482   Posted 12/05/2012 at 11:53:17

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I like Osman and believe that Everton play better when he's in the side the majority of the time. He can chip in with goals, he can pass, he can use both feet and more importantly he's willing. You're right that he is lightweight and isn't quick but that doesn't hold him back in the league; it only hinders any chance he had of playing for England, but there are better players than him in the position anyway.

Baxter, for 4 years has been labelled "potential". People saying he's a late bloomer need to remember that he's in the first team squad, trains with the first team, goes on loan to lower division clubs, doesn't exactly light them up either, looks slow and I've never seen him even come close to scoring. Even Hibbo has hit the post!!

Someone who's trained and played in the first team for 4 years should be better when he gets a chance and sadly Baxter isn't.
Chris Morris
483   Posted 12/05/2012 at 12:00:03

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I think Rodwell suffers too. I doubt he'll ever be the player people thought he was going to be. He seems to be dopey when he's on the ball and soooooooo predictable.

The commentators must get bored of saying: "Rodwell picks up the ball, tries a Cruyff turn, doesn't come off, rolls it to the full back, gets it back, tries a Cruyff turn, doesn't come off, rolls it to the full back, gets it back......"
John Ford
487   Posted 12/05/2012 at 12:35:57

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Chris, agreed re Rodwell but I would love to be proven wrong. He has nil vision though, and continuously misses simple forward passing options.

Osman is an interesting and frustrating character. When on form, clearly talented, a fine passer, quick feet and unlike Rodwell he sees what going on ahead of him.

Ok, there's not much to be done about limited pace, but I just don't get the lack of strength ? if there's anything physiologically which can be improved radically, it is core strength and stamina... Yet, season after season, he resembles the pale asthmatic stuck with the fat boys at the rear of the cross country run!

Surely he's been told to get in the gym twice a week? Work on his strength. I can't believe this isn't happening, but the evidence doesn't support it.
James Stewart
490   Posted 12/05/2012 at 13:29:08

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Andrew Fair ? are you seriously comparing Scholes to Baxter? If so, I would check for a concussion.
Stephen Kenny
494   Posted 12/05/2012 at 14:05:28

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Jimmy,

Do you watch much reserve and league 1 football in Norway?

I think Moyes sees 21-22ish as the time when a player is mentally and physically ideal to come into the fore. That said he has promoted sooner when the team have needed it.

There's a group of players that includes Baxter, Forshaw, Duffy and one or two others that will need some game time this season or that will be the end of them at Everton.

If any of them aren't going to figure, I'd love to see them go out to upper Championship sides to try and make a name for themselves.
Stephen Kenny
498   Posted 12/05/2012 at 14:05:28

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Jimmy,

Do you watch much reserve and league 1 football in Norway?

I think Moyes sees 21-22ish as the time when a player is mentally and physically ideal to come into the fore. That said he has promoted sooner when the team have needed it.

There's a group of players that includes Baxter, Forshaw, Duffy and one or two others that will need some game time this season or that will be the end of them at Everton.

If any of them aren't going to figure I'd love to see them go out to upper championship sides to try and make a name for themselves.
Dick Fearon
547   Posted 12/05/2012 at 21:25:25

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Mark S # 481, That group of managers that think Osman is the bees knees wouldn't be the same group that select Moyes as manager of the month eh'. The same group that would rather put the taps on most of our better players yet avoid Osman like the plague.
If he was half the player you and others seem to think he is why have those Osman admiring managers not made a single tentative bid for him.
Mark Stone
551   Posted 12/05/2012 at 21:43:48

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Dick the point I was making was that it is not true that he wouldn't hold down a place in other premier league teams. The fact is, a lot of premier league managers AND coaches AND players rate him very highly. I know that from conversations I have had with them. That isn't a statement of how highly I rate him - I haven't made given an opinion either way. All I have said is the truth. Regardless Dick, I don't give what you think of either Osman or Moyes, after all Dick, who the fuck are you?
Drew O'Neall
552   Posted 12/05/2012 at 21:26:33

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Chris, he's probably been in the first team for four years because our squad is disastrously small.

Re Osman, I rate him very highly and it's amazing to me that anyone who's had to endure watching England for the past ten years, can't see the importance of Osman's rare ability, and willingness, to receive the ball in enemy territory time and time again and carry it with either foot, passed defenders in to the opposition penalty area. It's a constant source of frustration and embarrassment to me watching England pass it left to right between our full backs while none of the midfielders is prepared to accept the ball unless it's to return it to the defenders.

To have a player who can relieve pressure and give you an out all is valuable. If he married that ability to pace or a rocket left or right foot then he would have 50 caps by now.
Mark Stone
553   Posted 12/05/2012 at 21:52:23

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'If he was half the player you and others seem to think he is why have those Osman admiring managers not made a single tentative bid for him'

Just because you haven't read about it in the Sydney Herald doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
Alan McGuffog
555   Posted 12/05/2012 at 22:07:31

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Osman has his limitations for Premiership football...we would probably all agree that his size means he is often out muscled in mid field against players the size of Lampard, Gerrard, Toure etc.
He is however blessed with, in my humble opinion, one of the finest "first touches" with either foot, I have seen in a blue shirt,
Stephen Kenny
556   Posted 12/05/2012 at 22:34:53

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I've never really understood the statements about Osman not being Prem class etc.

He's spent most of his career there playing for one of it's best sides.

He's not good enough for England but he's certainly better than a lot in this league.

On his day he's class. The reason he's never done better than Everton or played internationally is that his day doesn't come often enough.

The difference between good players and great players is consistency.
Sam Hoare
558   Posted 12/05/2012 at 22:48:11

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To say Osman is not Premier League class is to plainly ignore the facts.

Not sure Baxter is gonna set the world on fire but I would be interested to see him on loan to a decent Championship team and watch how he does. With our finances we will need a few out of him, Duffy, Barkley, Bidwell, Forshaw, Lundstram, Hope etc to develop into first-team regulars.
Ben Jones
559   Posted 12/05/2012 at 22:59:24

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He's not gonna on big wages, he is Everton through and through, wouldnt everyone here like to see him succeed? Why all the cynicism?

And the continued criticism on Osman? Stephen above me is spot on, he isnt consistent enough, but he is capable of brilliance. If Osman had some pace, he would be scarily good.
Barry Rathbone
563   Posted 12/05/2012 at 23:15:35

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Haven't seen the lad at all but talk of being overweight, without pace and needing to buck his attitude ain't filling me with hope - isn't he supposed to be our best youth player?

I do wonder what the fook they get up to at youth level, we've had Rooney who was unstoppable raw street talent and, god bless 'em, Hibbo and Osman - other than that who?

Stephen Kenny
564   Posted 12/05/2012 at 23:39:25

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IMO pace is a bare minimum requirement these days in every position.

Gone are the days when the first 3 yards are in yer head.

We rarely seem to bring pacey players in or from the youth set-up. This needs to happen.

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