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Everton News, Season 2011-12

Gordon West dies, aged 69

10/06/2012 |  64 Comments: First  |  Last
Everton legend Gordon West has died at the age of 69. The former Blues goalkeeper passed away peacefully on Sunday following a long illness.

West, one of the most popular Everton players of all-time, joined the Toffees from Blackpool in 1962 for a then British record fee for a goalkeeper of £27,000.

In total he made 402 appearances for the club, winning the League title in 1963 and 1970 and the FA Cup in 1966. He also represented England on three occasions.

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Barry Rathbone
135   Posted 10/06/2012 at 20:54:40

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RIP Gordon one of our legends.
Will Leaf
142   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:11:44

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R.I.P. Westy. A true legend.
John Shearon
145   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:21:41

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RIP Gordon. What a shame you were never given the testimonial you so richly deserved.
Joe Bibb
147   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:27:43

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Great Goalie, Great Evertonian.

A lovely man... one of our all-time great players.

He should have been given a testimonial, you are right John; Everton's Board should feel ashamed, they were asked many times over the years to give Westy his due reward.
Tony Cheek
148   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:27:42

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He was keeper when I first started supporting the blues, thought he would play for ever... a great Evertonian! R.I.P.
Trevor Powell
153   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:42:35

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I was ther during all the great Gordon West years. he gave such fantatsic service and gave confidence all around. Remember Alex Young saying that he was sick before each game with nerves but you would never have noticed on the pitch as he made goalkeeping look easy. Always remember that he could throw the ball as far and with such accuracy as any goalie kicking it out of his hands. A legend!
Eugene Ruane
155   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:41:07

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Same with me Tony, (my first live game 67).

Was just reading this from a couple of years back (hope Mick Lyons carries the coffin!).

Echo March 3rd 2010.

GORDON WEST collected the Dixie Dean Memorial Award on the 30th anniversary of the legendary goalscorer?s death.

The award was hugely appropriate, not only because of West?s character, wit and outstanding ability, a man who displayed similar qualities of humour and humility which Dixie Dean so obviously possessed, but because he was also one of the pall bearers at the great man?s funeral in 1980.

West recalled that occasion with poignancy, and typically irreverent humour.

?I remember when I got the phone call from Everton about carrying the coffin,? he said as he received the trophy from Kevin Ratcliffe. ?There was myself, Mick Lyons, Bob Latchford and Brian Labone. It was very stressful but we did it and I remember coming back in one of the cars and Mick Lyons leaned over all quiet and serious and tapped me on the shoulder. He whispered: ?Don?t ask me to carry yours!?

?Seriously, it?s a huge honour to receive an award in Dixie Dean?s name.

?I?m from Yorkshire really ? but from tomorrow I?ll have been here 48 years and I?m proud to call myself a Scouser.?

West was the 29th recipient of the award and he explained that there was another prominent anniversary looming.

?Tomorrow, 48 years ago to the day, I signed for Everton for a world record fee for a goalkeeper ? £27,500,? he added.

?And the Blackpool Gazette said 'It will never, ever be beaten!'"

?This January I was watching television and saw Andriy Arshavin talk about hiring a private jet when he signed for Arsenal.

?Well 48 years ago I did something similar.

?I got the train to Preston, then to Exchange Station, the I got the 86 bus! Harry Catterick introduced me to a surgeon called Mr Ellis and he squeezed my knees and my shoulders, said ?You?ve got a specimen? and that was that.

?My wages went up from £20 to £30 and I?d thought I?d just won the jackpot.

?It?s a different world now but, do you know what, I wouldn?t change it for the world.?

Guy Hastings
159   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:47:07

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Fantastic man, fantastic keeper.
Tom Bowers
161   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:48:37

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Affectionately known to many as Shirley he will always be remembered as one of Everton's best keepers and only Big Nev.and Howard can be compared.
A great character and would have won more England caps if not for Gordon Banks.
R.I.P. Gordon.
Bob McEvoy
162   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:51:12

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Saw him make his debut ...remember the crowds sharp intake of breath when he threw the ball further than Albert Dunlop could kick it ..and he was only 19
Declan Burke
169   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:53:26

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RIP Gordon. How you you only won 3 England caps, was always a mystery to me. However you were a massive Evertonian and a brilliant keeper.
Ray Said
170   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:56:59

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A true club legend. He was unlucky to be around at the same time as Banks and Bonetti or he would have a fair few caps.
RIP
Declan Burke
172   Posted 10/06/2012 at 21:59:30

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Ray, Bonetti??????
John Shaw
173   Posted 10/06/2012 at 22:04:36

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Another legend sadly gone.

Howard should not be mentioned in the same breath as either Westy or Big Nev, not even close to being in the same league !!

Eugene Ruane
174   Posted 10/06/2012 at 22:07:17

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Ray, fairly sure he didn't go to Mexico in 1970 because he didn't want to.
Ray Robinson
175   Posted 10/06/2012 at 22:06:04

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I was a goalie as a kid and Gordon West was my first hero. A massive character and as good a goalkeeper as I have seen at Everton together, with Neville Southall. Anyone else remember his save at Wolves in the 3rd round of the Cup in 1967? A massive loss. RIP Gordon.
Paul McGinty
180   Posted 10/06/2012 at 22:33:48

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All older blues will remember our Hari Krishna chant of the 60s.
Gordon West, Tommy Wright, Sandy Brown Howard Kendall......Brian Labone, Colin Harvey , Jimmy Husband , Alan Ball.........Joey Royle, Johnny Hurst, Johnny Morrisey , Harry Carrerick.......Harry Catterick, Harry Catterick, Harry Catterick, Harry Catterick. etc,
Seems like yesterday .Where did the years go. Sad to see another member of that great team pass.
Andy Crooks
181   Posted 10/06/2012 at 22:33:49

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Eugene, I didn't realise that. Things might just have been a lot different if he'd been Banks's understudy instead of the hapless Bonetti. In my view that was a better England team than the 1966 side. I saw him play for the football league against the Irish league and was secretly supporting the football league for that reason.
Steve Cavanagh
182   Posted 10/06/2012 at 22:34:36

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Sad news this. Many happy memories of the first Blues keeper I saw live.
Eugene (174), here's a quote from Becky Tallentire's 'Still Talking Blue' - "Brian (Labone) tells the story that my wife said if I went to Mexico she'd divorce me, so I didn't go and she did anyway! It was all about my wife and I'd do anything for a bit of peace. I regret it now, I should have gone.." pg. 216
Mike Keating
185   Posted 10/06/2012 at 22:53:33

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Was in goal for my first ever game against the RS
We won 3-1 and St John tried to get him sent off
He was a giant then and to the end along with Brian Labone
He and Big Nev the best I've ever seen
So Sorry for his family
Chris Owens
186   Posted 10/06/2012 at 23:04:04

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I?ve got vague memories of standing in the Street End for a testimonial match. Near the end of the game, the Everton goalie went down ?injured? and a stretcher was brought on, with the stretcher bearers obviously struggling to carry it. As the stretcher was laid down in the goalmouth, up popped the long-since-retired Gordon West from under a blanket. He kept goal for the last few minutes, and at one point produced a flying save which nearly brought the house down. Am I cracking up, or does anyone else remember this? RIP Gordon, a real Everton legend.
Kevin Sparke
189   Posted 10/06/2012 at 23:01:20

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Sad day - but have many happy memories watching Gordon West from the Boys Pent; the best Everton Keeper I saw until Big Nev.
Keith Glazzard
193   Posted 10/06/2012 at 23:04:18

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Westy went to Mexico with the England squad on an expedition before the tounament by way of preparation. He was no.2 to Banks, and played a friendly there. The story at the time was that he'd written to Sir Alf to make himself unavailable, why? The usual story was 'big match nerves'.

Had he not done that he would have played in that match against W Germany (not Bonetti) and football history might have been different. Ah well.

I love the story about the first first division game he ever saw was the one he was playing in.

I can't remember him ever letting us down at Goodison, and as a champion he usually did quite the opposite. There was a time against Keflavik where he definitely threw a strop when one went past him, but Royle and co wrapped it up (6-2 ?) so it was good fun all round that night. The crowd loved him.

And

Thanks for the memories Gordon.

Ray Roche
194   Posted 10/06/2012 at 23:16:03

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Very sad news, West was a superb goalkeeper but also a real character, the like of which have vanished from the modern game. I recall a game against Fulham when the Fulham forward clattered into West after West had caught the ball. West held the ball under one arm and virtually lifted the player off his feet by the throat and shook him like you would a rag doll. The Fulham player wouldn't come near he penalty area again. So funny to see.
The reason West had so few caps was partly as a result of him putting his family first and , as Eugene says , refusing to go to Mexico.
Paul Wharton
197   Posted 10/06/2012 at 23:42:50

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Gordon
It was a real pleasure to be in your company, not as an Everton icon that you were to me but as a very humble/funny/ nice person that you were.
You came to my home when we had an 18Th party for my son Michael, Gordon was in his element with the young Evertonians in the house, so funny. The countless times we sat together at Dinners, the dry Yorkshire humour will be sadly missed, my family are very upset tonight but we are honoured that we knew not just the great Evertonian he was but we knew the man.
To his son Stephen, be very proud of your Father.
God bless Gordon you were the best.
Brian Denton
198   Posted 10/06/2012 at 23:38:52

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Chris (#186) no your memory isn't playing you up. I was on the Street End at the same time. I think it was Mick Lyons Testimonial in 1980 or thereabouts, and Westy did indeed come out on a stretcher.

Met him a couple of times at BlueBlood events, including one event at Leasowe Castle when he was smoking his pipe in the lobby. I had him all to myself for about 5 minutes. As for so many on here, he was our goalkeeper when I started going the game (1966). I remember the other two goalies on the team photo (Andy Rankin and Geoff Barnett) I had on the wall - never thought I'd see them play. I never did see Barnett play, but Andy Rankin had a spell after Gordon had 'thrown the strop' referred to above. Catterick didn't do strops......

RIP another of our heroes.

Jay Harris
200   Posted 10/06/2012 at 23:54:25

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Really sad news that one of football's larger than life characters should leave us at a relatively young age.

I will never forget his spats with St John and remember an occasion when St John brought a handbag on for Westy and Westy smacked him with it.

Condolences to all his family who should be so proud of the great man.

Dave White
203   Posted 11/06/2012 at 00:15:56

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Lovely tribute Paul.

Goodbye Gordon, with you lad Everton was always in safe hands

Graham Rathbone
206   Posted 11/06/2012 at 00:19:58

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Same as Tony 148 and Eugene 155, the first goalie when I started to support Everton in 1970. A true legend and up there with big Neville as the best keepers I have seen at the club, and Nev to me was one of the best keepers in the world in his time.
RIP Gordon thanks for the memories
Graham
Colin Fitzpatrick
216   Posted 11/06/2012 at 02:07:56

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another little bit of me ebbed away tonight. RIP Gordon, a true Everton legend and the greatest keeper in black and white ever to grace the turf at Goodison.
Eric Myles
221   Posted 11/06/2012 at 02:51:45

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A true Everton legend along with Labone who were the greatest of mates.

RIP

Mick Davies
224   Posted 11/06/2012 at 03:21:32

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Just like Eugene, I saw my first game as a kid in Dec 67. West was in goal and we beat Sunderland 3-0.
That team was to win the league a couple of years later and Westy was in a huge way, responsible for that. R.I.P. a legend
Eddie McBride
226   Posted 11/06/2012 at 03:42:42

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Thanks for all the great memories, Gordon... RIP.
Anto Byrne
227   Posted 11/06/2012 at 03:00:06

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Circa 1967, Wolves at home, all I remember was this sublime one-handed full stretch dive to deny a certain goal. Funny how that moment has remained with me all these years and as if it was only last week. When other kids were emulating Gordon Banks, I was always Westie. Never rated the flying pig from across the park.

RIP Gordon West

Mike Andrews
230   Posted 11/06/2012 at 06:41:28

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News that has really saddened me.
When I was a kid Gordon lived down the road from me. As a nod to the other thread about changing times ( and as an echo to the paper piece that Eugene posted) can you now imagine a key player in the championship winning team living in a 3 bed semi in Maghull, that he didn't even own...it was a club house (Micky Lill lived there before).
He was a genuinely nice man generous with his time and always ready to provide signed club stuff. Happy to get involved in a kick-around on the local park with kids.
If memory serves the decision not to go to Mexico in 70 was for family reasons but imagine our Gordon making that save from Pele!
Be at peace Gordon
Steve Fletcher
231   Posted 11/06/2012 at 07:00:50

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Like some of the above Blues, Gordon was the first Everton keeper in my time as a supporter, mid 60's onwards.

I was lucky enough to meet him, probably around 70/71, when my slighty scally uncle-in-law (RIP George) who was a Red, somehow managed to get Gordon to present prizes for a pub football team in Runcorn. To this day I have no idea how this happened.

We travelled there in my dads car, me squeezed up against this giant, in both senses of the word, in the back, totally in awe.

A lovely man, and a truly great player. RIP Gordon, another legend sadly lost.
Mike Andrews
232   Posted 11/06/2012 at 07:16:18

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Oh and Ray, I remember a photo from the paper of the Wolves save that was on my bedroom wall for years under the headline "The Maestro of Molyneux"
Denis Byrne
234   Posted 11/06/2012 at 07:21:18

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God Bless you Gordon. A wonderful goalkeeper and like many my 'first' keeper watching Everton. His incredible throw was a weapon and he kept the powerful Sheffield Wednesday midfield pegged back with it in '66. I was egged on by by mates to run on the pitch just as a game was about to start to give him a stick of gum (last game v Fulham 67?) which was the closest I ever got to him. So many great memories from a giant of Everton.
Andrew Clare
237   Posted 11/06/2012 at 07:42:02

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Sad to see one of the Everton 'greats' go. I remember going to my first game with my dad in '63 and thinking what a great goalie Gordon was.I remember the second replay in the F.A. Cup Quarter -Final in 1966 at Molineux and the fantastic performance by Westy that kept us in the game against Man City. R.I.P. Gordon.
Ray Said
239   Posted 11/06/2012 at 08:10:40

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Keith (193) thanks for the info-i hadn't realised that GW chose not to go to Mexico in 1970 and for years thought Bonetti had been picked ahead of him.
George McKane
240   Posted 11/06/2012 at 08:12:45

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Fantastic Goalie - Fantastic Man. Had the privilege of meeting him and having a pint with him - - a wonderful human being - - full of humour and great stories with a touch of modesty and kindness. Will be missed by all Evertonians.

It is a great sadness that some of the deaths over the past few years have made us realise just what a Great Club we are , steeped in dignified humanity.

Great to be a Blue because of greats like Westy.

Jim Williams
246   Posted 11/06/2012 at 09:12:34

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Loved the man. A real hero to me as a boy in the "Pen". I shed a tear or two today.
David Johnson
254   Posted 11/06/2012 at 09:41:59

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Great player, great Evertonian, Legend. Tears in my eyes as I read Dr Davids tribute. How blessed we all are to be part of the Everton Family. My memories of Westy also include that miraculous save from Ernie Hunt at Molyneux. A screamer into the top corner that Westy flung himself full stretch at and not only got his hands to but somehow held onto. Amazing!.

Also in Cup year of 66. Westy had been carrying a thigh strain for most of the cup run and had his thigh strapped up until the Final. When he came out there was no strapping and at half time, one nil down and blues not playing as well as usual, things looked bad. He came out second half and the strapping was back on. Even though Wednesday scored again the magic strapping worked and we came back to win the cup. Me and my mates always believed in Westys lucky strapping. Great times, Great memories, Great Family that despite differences of opinions will always stick together at the end. God bless you Gordon and the West family at this sad time.

Tony Horne
257   Posted 11/06/2012 at 10:35:37

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Back in the 70s On The Ball ran a feature where some young kid got to take penalties against a top division keeper. When Westy was on he was crap. For every penalty he just lunged forward with his arms wide apart and the young lad filled his boots. Everyone ridiculed him the following Monday at school but, thinking back, I now reckon that he must have been being crap on purpose. Anyone remember if this is how he always tried to save a penalty?

Good bloke. Glad the Former Players Foundation was able to help him.

Chris Hockenhull
262   Posted 11/06/2012 at 10:55:22

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The Wolves v Everton FA Cup game I have on dvd but it is on Youtube for those who aint seen it. That save is there. I recall the Keflavik European Cup game. Expectations were high but Everton started poorly angainst the unfancied amateurs from Iceland and Westy was bery shaky early on, so much he mishandled and we went one down. He took some stick from the Street End and made another gaff a few minutes later. Eventually Westy tcould take no more stick and started arguing with the crowd. He was so pissed off that eventually he gave them the V sign and the stick continued. We won 6-2 eventaully but Catterick dropped him for the following game under a breach of club discipline and he was replaced by Andy Rankin for the rest of the season as it happened (Rankin going on to be a hero in the next round against Borrusia). But he came back the following year and by the end of 1972 there was a chance we could have gone down - such was our fall from grace. The final weeks of that season I saw West single handedly keep us up week in week out with some vintage performances that were to be his swansong

Tony Horne (257) I recall the ITV 'Penalty Prize' competition on On The Ball and West faced penalties from a local schoolboy who was no other than David Fairclough!!..Incidentally if you see a photo of Rankin after that penalty save against the germans look at who is racing toward him to give him his congratulations - no other than Gordon with a beaming smile. Such was the measure of the man.

Lucky to sit with him in The Volunteer in Waterloo over the years and see him out and about the area. I pointed him out to a mate from London once as the 'Man Who Never Went To Mexico - and could have been a hero etc' and my mate looked at him and said 'Jesus...the size of his hands' !!! RIP Gordon . Wont forget you

Chris Williams
267   Posted 11/06/2012 at 11:39:53

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Gordon was a great Evertonian and a great character. I think he may have been the PFA representative at the club, so he probably had a serious side too.

He used to be physically sick before matches so keyed up did he get and he chose not to go to Mexico so he could be with his wife, who from memory was a concert pianist. As Brian Labone said, 'She divorced him anyway!'

There was a period when he couldn't kick the ball because of a thigh injury, but it didn't matter because he could throe the ball further than many could kick it. Some teams cottoned on to this and used to try to stop him by getting someone to stand in front of him to stop him throwing. Gordon's answer was to take a step back, and throw it and then thump whoever was standing in front of him in the follow through. He would then get the teainer on and get treatment for his 'injured' hand. He flattened Mike Summerbee once against Man City. We all anticipated it happening behind the Gwladys Street goal and it happened a number of times.

But he did it once too often and got sent off in the last minute against Newcastle, conceding a penalty. Sandy Brown went in goal, and they scored the penalty, and beat us 1-0 I think. Apparently Gordon gave Sandy dog's abuse for not saving the penalty. Hilarious apparently

Lenny Kingman
274   Posted 11/06/2012 at 11:53:43

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Some of the things the great Gordon did were truly trailblazing as refered to above. I tell no lie that every time today I see a goalie today throw the ball up the field I think of Gordon West. That other manoeuvre of his when he'd go running across the area to retrieve the ball and then run straight past it and let it go out. Particularly effective when in a winning position in the game. Always made me chortle watching him do that.

Loved it when he came up the Street end to take up his duties and we would all give the man our best straight arm salute. Gordon-Gordon-Gordon we would sing. And he always reciprocated by giving us the Westy wave and smile.

Would bump into him years later, usually on a Monday evening if my memory serves me well, standing at the bar of the Raven Hotel in Waterloo, always delighted to talk about his days as the legend that he was at Goodison Park. And we would also discuss at length our mutual delight and appreciation of the wonderful Stella Artois served at that Whitbread house that was still imported from Belgium back in those days long ago

The handsome young kid who arrived for a world record price at our great club back in 1962 from brassy Blackpool has now left for another place. God speed on your journey Gordon. A privelige to have made your aquaintance.

David Moorcroft
282   Posted 11/06/2012 at 13:35:38

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Absolute Legend. Gordon was a true hero of mine. RIP Gordon.
Peter Mills
285   Posted 11/06/2012 at 13:53:13

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Rest in peace Gordon. I was fortunate enough to be at the cup tie at Molineux in 1967, and will never forget that save.
Jonathan Tasker
286   Posted 11/06/2012 at 14:00:07

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Played in the first match I went to.

I loved him so much that , having no middle name, I added Gordon as my middle name.


Brilliant player who should have won more England caps.

Christine Foster
288   Posted 11/06/2012 at 13:49:47

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"So Mr West, what did you make ok your life?" Said st Peter at the pearly gates, " I was a goal keeper, l saved the hopes and dreams of thousands every week" said Gordon.
" we do the same up hear you know, so why are you so special?"
" Because, l did it for a club that was formed by a church, st Domingo so that God could watch his team play"
"in your ledger it says you had the better of st John, is that so?"
" Only with the help of my friends l must confess" said Gordon
"Ah yes, we have some of them hear, they said they have been waiting for you and a certain Mr labone refused to let our Sunday league game kick off until you arrived, he said you would need these"

With that st Peter passed Gordon a green goalkeepers jersey and the biggest goalkeepers gloves he could find.

"Welcome back to Goodison Park, Gordon, there's quite a crowd waiting for you"

Heaven can wait.

Ray Said
292   Posted 11/06/2012 at 14:38:10

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Well said Christine, well said!
Mark Murphy
294   Posted 11/06/2012 at 15:18:18

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Awww Christine, I'm in bits here!

I was lucky enough to meet Gordon several times in recent years with his mate, Brian Labone and they were always the most down to earth, friendly and genuine pair you could wish to meet. I can imagine them causing endless mischief together if there is an "up there" (and I bloody well hope there is!)

R.I.P yet another hero.
Peter Mills
341   Posted 11/06/2012 at 22:02:00

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Chris#267, your post made me smile. After that, Gordon's follow through punch was being anticipated by referees. A few months later we played at Southport in the FA Cup third round, they had a big yard dog centre forward, Eric Redrobe I think, who decided he would stand in Westy's way when he was trying to throw the ball. Every time, Gordon dropped to one knee when Redrobe stood in his way, and every time we got a free kick. Poor old Eric was beside himself, and ended up being booked for persistent fouling and dissent, having done nothing wrong all game!
Ann Gardner
347   Posted 12/06/2012 at 01:08:42

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As stated many times, I, formerly Ann West, concert pianist wife of Gordon, did not try to stop Gordon going to the Mexico World Cup.

It was always his decision. We were not going through a divorce in 1970 when he decided not to go. A very sad time for his sons and families.

Thanks to all his fans and anyone who has helped him. Thank you for your wonderful comments about his fantastisc skills as a goalkeeper.



Mark Riding
349   Posted 12/06/2012 at 01:19:16

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Ann, so sad for your family's loss. Good luck in the future and best wishes.
Im sure the club will do Gordon proud.
Mark Roberts
352   Posted 12/06/2012 at 01:21:14

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Another member of the Everton family sadly passes away at a relatively young age but the memories of Gordon West, the keeper of my first Everton team (1969) will live on for a very long time. Reading all these great tributes and memories must be of great comfort to his family at such a sad time.

Rest in peace Gordon, a hero to your family and a hero to the Everton family, you really did live up to our Latin motto.
Colin Potter
384   Posted 12/06/2012 at 09:57:23

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Gordon West
was the only footballer ever to play in an F A cup final,and never kicked the ball once during the game in 1966, because of the thigh strain he had. I doubt very much that will ever happen again!
Thanks for the memories Gordon, you were the best. R.I.P.
Pauline Lennie
423   Posted 12/06/2012 at 15:29:39

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I lived next door to Gordon and Ann during the sixties and seventies and would like to pass on my deepest sympathy to Ann, Stephen and Mark. I have the best memories of them and was so proud to know Gordon and his lovely family.
Tony Dove
427   Posted 12/06/2012 at 16:24:50

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Post 267. I remember him doing the same to Derek Dougan.Brilliant.
Richard Lyons
661   Posted 13/06/2012 at 19:40:54

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I could have sworn he played more games for England... Clearly he suffered from having Banks being ahead of him in the pecking order, although when you consider that, had he gone to Mexico, he would have played in the quarter-final against West Germany instead of Bonetti ? maybe he would have saved that header from Gerd Muller...

Ho hum, we'd never have beaten Brazil in the final anyway...

All the same, he was one of my heroes, and easily the best Everton goalie before big Nev. RIP Gordon.

Andy Crooks
667   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:11:18

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Eugene, that Simon Heffer's a wag, though.

I do think that the Mail is a cynical and manipulative rag that demonizes easy targets and has an agenda that is extremely complicated. Their stance on Stephen Lawrence seemed brave and utterly laudable. In fact who could object to them naming and publishing the pictures of the "guilty" men?

Well, anyone who believes in justice for a start. Judge and jury is what they do. I'd better stop now because their cynicism just raises my blood pressure to dangerous levels. By the way, I hate the fucking Guardian too.

Eugene Ruane
670   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:33:14

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(whispers - wrong thread Andy, maybe someone can change it to the Cahill thread?)
Andy Crooks
672   Posted 13/06/2012 at 20:37:28

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Oh fuck. Michael Kenrick, help,please.

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