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Tottenham install Moyes as top target to replace Redknapp

14/06/2012 | Comments (176)
Bill Kenwright's ability to hold onto David Moyes could be facing a genuine test this summer after Harry Redknapp parted company with Tottenham last night and Daniel Levy reportedly made the Blues' boss his first choice replacement.

Talks between the Everton Chairman and his coveted manager have thus far not resulted in Moyes penning an extension to his current contract which has just 12 months to run.

Moyes, currently on holiday in the United States before flying to Eastern Europe to take in some action at Euro2012, is reportedly seeking assurances over his transfer budget and the Club's resolve to keep its best players.

With Everton finishing the season strongly and optimism that a challenge for Europe could be mounted next season improving, Blues fans were expectant that Moyes would be at the Goodison helm come August. However, according to speculation in a number of the national newspapers, he may be tempted by the lure of more money and transfer options at White Hart Lane after a decade in charge at Everton.

Everton's Director of Communications, Paul Tyrell reacted on Twitter to claims made — and subsequently withdrawn after a stern rebuke — by talkSPORT's Ian Abrahams by categorically denying that Moyes has already met with Levy and that his compensation has been agreed with the Blues.

It should be noted that BBC sources do not believe that Moyes is Spurs' first choice.

Original Source: The Guardian

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Rob Wilkinson
782   Posted 14/06/2012 at 03:08:47

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I was going to put this on the transfer rumour mill thread but it was going on for that long that I though no one would see it and it wouldn't provoke the debate that I want.

Basically from the comments I've read everyone seems swayed by talksport and the various pundits on tele who whenever a managers job becomes available mention Martinez like he is this god like manager! And that English based managers are the only option.

I'd like to throw another name in the hat Slaven Bilic, yes our old talismanic centre back! He's got an affinity with the club and I'm guessing would like to work with jelavic (grasping at straws maybe?) He is at his last tournament currently with Croatia and he's done a good job there considering it's his first job. Forget about Kenwright's money issues that is the fella that I'd like to see in charge next. Who would your choice be?

Mick Davies
783   Posted 14/06/2012 at 03:18:14

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Slaven Bilic for me too. Hope Moyes takes his mongrel sidekick with him, and we don't get saddled with him as an interim manager
Richard Harris
784   Posted 14/06/2012 at 03:10:39

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Now I know that people can change their mind but this was attributed to Bilic a couple of months back when Harry Redknapp was being touted for the England job.

"I would be very interested in being the Tottenham manager, they are a major club with a bright future. But [Spurs chairman] Daniel Levy needs to be convinced I am the man for the job."

Plus there are currently three Croatian players at Tottenham as far as recall and maybe Modric could be tempted to stay with Bilic as manager?

Greg Martin
785   Posted 14/06/2012 at 03:47:11

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I agree would like too see Bilic, but think it is unlikely.... I ould see perhaps a young manager from the lower leagues ? someone like Lee Clarke at Huddersfield or Karl Robinson. Ideally, I would want Moyes too stay though!!
Jason Lam
789   Posted 14/06/2012 at 03:30:38

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Gordon Strachan
Jay Harris
790   Posted 14/06/2012 at 04:58:41

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Bilic recently signed a contract to manage Lokomotiv so he is off the radar.
Brian Hill
791   Posted 14/06/2012 at 05:02:04

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Bilic has very recently signed a deal to coach Lokomotiv Moscow after the Euros, so forget about him.
Brian Hill
792   Posted 14/06/2012 at 05:03:33

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Sorry, Jay, looks like we posted at about the same time.
Shaun Brennan
795   Posted 14/06/2012 at 05:48:00

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as much as I have slagged off moyes. why would anyone with something to prove want to manage everton. we offer nothing but struggle and mediocrity. the board accept it so why should anyone else.
Robin Hunuki
796   Posted 14/06/2012 at 05:56:35

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@Shaun Brennan, hit it on the head, exactly my thoughts!
Peter Thistle
799   Posted 14/06/2012 at 06:51:31

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Spurs are a strange club to let him go. He wasn't doing a shit job... The chairman seems to be an egomaniac.
Ian McDowell
803   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:17:05

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I would be gutted if Moyes left it really would be a major blow.
Alasdair Mackay
804   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:23:55

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If Moyes left we would not get Piennar. Baines would go to Manure and Felli to Chelsea. Cahill would also go to Al-Hilal and Moyes would want to sign Anichebe and Jagielka for Spurs. I think he may get them both.

We would get at least £3m compensation for Moyes (1 yr left on his contract); 20m for Baines, 25m for Felli, 5m for Cahill and 15m for Jags. Vic would go for about 2m.

This leaves us with 70m, of which the new manager would get 30m to spend on new signings and we would desperately need a left-back a striker and a winger.

Sam Hoare
805   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:15:42

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So all the moyes haters may be about to get what they want...will be interesting to see if the moyes out brigade are vindicated.

As mentioned above I worry as to what manager would want to come to a sell to buy regime with ropey finances and top players highly coveted by richer clubs...

Tim Locke
806   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:31:52

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I am not so worried about Tottenham, or a another club coming in for Moyes, Moyes is paid well, has a good relationship with most of the fans and board. My concern is if Moyes goes it is not because he has had his head turned, Tottenham could have got him 4 years ago if they wanted, it is because what he has asked of the board, not to sell players, give him money to spend etc they have said no. So it does not matter what name you put into the frame, Moyes going would point to much much bigger problems and something every blue should be worried about.
Kevin Day
807   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:35:52

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A serious offer from another club for moyes may just make the board wake up and panic them into giving him some transfer money. But then again, santa may come to tea tonight.
Alasdair Mackay
808   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:30:57

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So a first team of
Howard
Hibbert, Heitinga, Distin, Cissokho
???, Rodwell, Gibson, Osman
Jelavic, ????

Subs
Mucha, Coleman, Duffy, Neville, Barkley, Gueye, Velios

Sam Hoare
809   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:37:37

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I should imagine that spurs fans will want a manager with experience of winning trophies and excelling in Europe. As such moyes will be low down their list especially given his questionable reputation for defensive football.

However if they do approach him, I think he'll go. And who could blame him.

David Chait
810   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:42:04

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The fact that Spurs would fire Harry is exactly to me why, firstly they will never catch up to the top boys, but secondly why Moyes would not want to go there. Where is the job security which actually is vital to make a difference... With the guarantee that one less than perfect season isn't a dismissable offense.

Well, if they do take Moyes we can take Harry. No probs.

David Chait
811   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:42:04

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The fact that Spurs would fire Harry is exactly to me why, firstly they will never catch up to the top boys, but secondly why Moyes would not want to go there. Where is the job security which actually is vital to make a difference... With the guarantee that one less than perfect season isn't a dismissable offense.

Well, if they do take Moyes we can take Harry. No probs.

Jimmy Sørheim
813   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:36:08

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Get Pienaar NOW!
I do not think Moyes will be their nr.1 pick, but they might be forced into signing him if other targets refuses to sign.
Gareth Fieldstead
814   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:46:14

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Strange this one, I thought Redknapp was doing an excellent job but his head was definitely turned when the England position became available and he did admit he would have taken it, so maybe Levi thought he had zero loyalty to the club anyway, however, without huge investment who will go there and improve on 4th on two occasions in the last 3 years? Certainly not Moyes not with his boring 5 man midfield regardless of the opposition style of play. My worry as already stated above would be who would we attract with that board?
Vinny Garstrokes
815   Posted 14/06/2012 at 07:59:46

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I would be gutted if Moyes left but I would also be a little surprised. Moyes makes all footballing decisions at Everton whereas at Spurs it is very much the Daniel Levy show. That would be a massive thing to give up on and I think Moyes would have lots of head to heads with the chairman as well as trying to manage a team with delusions of grandeur.
If Moyes does go - followed by Baines, Fellaini, Cahill et al, I would like to see somebody like Stuart McCall come in with a decent war chest to come in and show us what he's made of!!
Jeremy Benson
817   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:14:04

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If nothing else, this is going to make signing pienaar "NOW" as Jimmy puts it, very difficult.

As any new manager might consider that he wants him as part of the squad at spurs, so I doubt they'll let him go until a new manager is signed and has his own squad ideas/targets.

Eric Myles
819   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:22:30

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Tim #806 "Moyes going would point to much much bigger problems and something every blue should be worried about."

Moyes going or not doesn't alter the fact that we DO have much bigger problems that only SOME blues are worried about.

Things will only change for the better when the current board go.

Dan McKie
820   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:42:08

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Vinny, Moyes doesn't make all the footballing decisions anymore, or there would be no talk of Baines or Fellaini moving on. Was selling Arteta Moyes' footballing decision? Was selling 3 of our 4 strikers in one summer Moyes' football decision? Daniel Levy probably does stick his oar in when it comes to transfers in/out, but at least Moyes would actually have some coming in! Add to that, when Levy wanted someone to stay at the club despite big offers, and the player stating he wanted away, they stayed.
Jim Harrison
822   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:48:52

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If he leaves, and we do get 3 million compensation, a large chunk of that will go on compensation to another club if we take their manager (Such as Martinez). I bet we end up with a young lower league manager. But it worked before when Moyes signed. I hope he doesnt leave, but I reckon if he is offered the chance he will go.
Colin Potter
823   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:42:02

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Spurs are a footballing club, no way will they even interview moyes
Kevin Tully
824   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:55:25

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Moyes now drifting to 5/4 on PP from 4/9 last night.
Craig Taylor
825   Posted 14/06/2012 at 08:55:59

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If he goes....we will have to think out of the box.

Ally McCoist?

Lower leagues...Gus Poyet? Atkins?

Foreign....(tough with no money)....

Massive gamble....Glenn Hoddle, Steve McClaren

Probably a safe, cheap option then of Stubbs & Weir (assistant) partnership. Duncan Ferguson in as Reserve team Manager.

Mark Jensen
826   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:01:56

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Spurs will not take Moyes. This will be a clear indicator that Moyes is not a top four manager and has reached his level with us. It also means EFC have reached their level with him. Nice and cosy for him and Kenwright!
Bob Willis
827   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:08:49

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Am I right in thinking that this is the first time 'Arry has been given the Order of the Boot. Seem to think that has has 'walked' on previous occasions - won't have done his ego nor his CV any good.

I do hope he doesn't find this new experience too 'taxing' .

Thomas Lennon
828   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:09:20

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This is now a real test for Moyes ambition. He is an outstanding candidate and Spurs have everything he needs to prove himself as a winner rather than a stayer - more than Everton can offer. Where Rednapp was all glamour and ultimate (unlucky) failure this season, Moyes has proven resilience.

Massive change for him, bright lights of London - probably what he set himself to achieve all those years ago when he started out as manager - he should snap it up.

Is there still/can Moyes work under a Director of Football at Spurs?

Martinez or Bilic (who owes us a few ££) for Everton.

Tony J Williams
829   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:13:27

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Why won't they take Moyes Mark? don't let your personal judgment cloud the issue.

He is highly thought of by the other managers and the media, we expect a lot from him because of one season where we overachieved.

I wouldn't like to see him go but I am curious to see what he would be like with money to spend and a decent squad to pick from.

Matt Traynor
830   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:21:41

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Moyes is not the favourite across all media. The Sun are pointing out that Harry was sacked after 3 top-5 finishes (2 i4th place), and Spurs owner Joe Lewis wants some young up and coming manager like Martinez.

The BBC pundits are stating anything from "Moyes isn't first choice", to not even mentioning him.

Moyes is also on £3.5m a year, he won't get an increase on that in London. But he'll be under serious pressure for his job for the first time, could be out on his ear in 18 months, reputation in tatters.

What do you seriously think he'll do?

Tony J Williams
831   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:23:45

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Can people stop suggesting Billic, unless Bill finds some coppers down the side of the couch, how will he stump up the full contract compensation for Lokomotiv?
Peter Barry
832   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:35:10

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My sympathies lie with the poor Spurs supporters who dont know what they are letting themselves in for. If Dour Dire Defensive Tactically Inept Davey boy does go to Tottenham then he will last as long as Dogleish did in his second coming at the Red Shite.
Scott Hamilton
833   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:45:55

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I'll take a straight swap: Harry for Moyes...

...unfortunately I think Goodison Park is too far from his Sandbanks pad for him to commute!

Peter Barry
834   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:41:48

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Of course if Dour Davey is overlooked by Spurs or even turns them down then all the Moyesophiles on TW will have some explaining to do.

Such as - Why when given the opportunity and the chance of joining a Club with ambitions, history and the money too did Davey bottle it?

Or Maybe:-

Why was Dire Davey not considered good enough for Spurs 'cos after all the pundits and the Meejah!! just loves him?

Dave Wilson
835   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:37:53

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You`re right Matt, the betting market is all over the shop, I havent seen the bookies so divided for a long time, some are so sure Moyes has the job they have suspended betting and others are trying to lure you in.

People are getting a little ahead of themselves by speculating about our next manager.
First of all Moyes has to be offered the Spurs job and even then then he has to be stupid enough accept it.


Paul Whittaker
836   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:29:16

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I think Spurs will play safe and go for someone with a 'CV' of winning the top prizes in Europe. My money would be on Capello or Benitez taking over.
Geoff Trenner
837   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:56:48

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King Kenny is available!
Chris Williamson
838   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:58:30

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If Moyes goes (and I never believe a thing in the media these days - they just gabble - they don't show insight) I'd like to see Peter Reid inject a bit of passion into the club.

And someone who might aim to play, if I can paraphrase Mike Basset, England Manager, bleedin four, bleedin four, bleeding two.

Chris Williamson
839   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:07:08

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As an add on thought .... what about gettin Dodgy 'Arry into the job? He'd know all the tax loopholes we could use to save a bit of cash. Would be like a new signing!
Dave Wilson
840   Posted 14/06/2012 at 09:50:30

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Peter Barry

You can feel very free to feel inferior to Spurs, Many Evertonians (the proud ones at least) will see Spurs as a step down and would fully expect our manager to fuck them right off.

No explaing to do here lad, Moyes is a hired hand and the day he leaves, he ceases to be of any concern to Evertonians ( the proud ones at least)


Tony J Williams
841   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:19:11

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At least when he goes we can stop having Peter Boring Bollox Barry's alliteration all over the show,,,,,until the possible Mundane Morose Martinez...etc
Gary Carter
843   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:11:09

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Dan mackie, the fact that there is talk of baines or Fellaini leaving has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on wether moyes has overall say on the football side of things, it's pure media, fan and Internet forum speculation is in no way at all based on cold hard fact. It's pathetic seeing so many blues getting their knickers in a twist over rumours made up in the papers, when will you all learn to wait until you hear things from the horses mouth, your taking years off your lives worrying about gossip lol and Martinez, McCall, Reid, I mean really !?!? Seriously ?!??! I would be fucking mortified if any of them were to be pit in charge !
Robert Lam
844   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:24:13

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Moyes, don't go. The club needs you. The fans need you.
Al Reddish
845   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:18:15

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I really don't want Moyes to go. However, as a replacement I would like to see Gus Poyet. Realistically though, it will be Phil Neville I suspect.
John Ford
846   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:26:54

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Amen to that Robert L.

I hope, if the interest from Spurs is genuine, that he can use this as leverage to get Kenwright to provide decent funds....dream on eh.

Sam Hoare
848   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:23:03

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As I said earlier I reckon Spurs will want someone with more experience of winning than Moyes. Villas-boas or De Boer possibly.

However I do think he could be a great appointment in the long term for them and would almost definitely take the job if offered as to be honest the only way for Everton is down now given our comparitive poverty, even West Ham and Southampton will be outspending us this Summer!

Garry Corgan
849   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:30:34

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Not sure why a few posters are saying Moyes isn't the favourite...

The longest odds you can get on Moyes are 2/1. They're the shortest odds you can get on any other manager - Roberto Martinez in this case...

Moyes is a clear, clear favourite with the bookies at the moment:

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/tottenham-specials/next-permanent-manager

Gareth Fieldstead
851   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:36:59

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But would he maintain the league position that Redknapp has achieved? The sort of football Spurs expect? A chairman that will demand results? I just cannot see it. If anything they will go abroad for the appointment.
Matt Butlin
855   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:54:23

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For a start, Moyes is the wrong fit for Spurs and the style of football they play and I just can't think why he would take a risk like this when he's on one of the most favourable contracts in football.

Secondly, if Bill was to let him leave it would indicate that the club is not for sale. Casting more uncertainty on our situation, like allowing the man who spent 10 years stabilising(?) us would not doubt discourage more potential/imaginary investors...

Sean Stevenson
858   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:06:40

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TV rights are now going to bring in an extra £14 million each year from 2013, this will be enough for Everton to finally break even and even make a modest profit, BEFORE selling anyone.

This has to be the chink of light Moyes is looking for. Spurs are team heading down, Everton are on the up, I hope he sees sense rather than becoming a passing fad for the Londoners. I would be devestated if he left, he has single handedly made this club respectable again. I hope he finishes the job.

Nelly Verdonghan
860   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:11:44

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To all those shitting themselves at the thought of Dour Davie leaving please dont be alarmed....
He will never leave Everton to go to Spurs ...or anywhere else for that matter

Reason....He will have to deliver at Spurs...Levy wont accept KITAP1 and fininishing 7th as annual success....He wont accept not being able to beat the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea & the RS away from home in 10yrs...if he's dumped Deputy Dawg after what he's done there then Davie's got no chance.

Moyes has the safest job in the WORLD....huge salary, a Chairman who can see no wrong in him or his style of play despite not winning a thing in 10 yrs...a seasonal brief just to make sure we dont get relegated & anything else is a bonus....and a ready made 'we cant compete we have no cash' excuse.

Does anybody really believe that he will leave all that for a job where he will be EXPECTED to win things ??....not fuckin likely !!

Anthony Martin
865   Posted 14/06/2012 at 10:59:23

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Is this the summer of our discontent? Baines, Fellaini and now dare I say Moyes

I am struggling to be optimistic is this present climate, however I will have a stab, if we sell Baines could we take cash plus maybe a couple of players, Mrs Parks little lad is a work horse who I often feel is a tailor made Everton player, prehaps the young Italian striker meceada (spelt wrong I know)

If spurs do coming with some serious cash in hand for Moyes could they sweeten the compensation with throwing Piennar into the mix

As for fellaini if clubs are hovering around Goodison peering on one of our biggest assests in every sense of the word they can forget getting him on the cheap, the transfer market in football is so varied that I honestly believe that a few added million can be added depending on who the current parent club is. If Fellaini was at a top four club now he would be easily be worth Thirty million plus, in Queen kennys eyes make that Fifty million, but he is not he is at our beloved cash strapped Everton and anything below Twenty Fve million would be an insult to a club that paid Fifteen million and have brought him on so much that he is a player in demand and is being courted all over europe and has not even peaked within his own ability yet.

Right, like I said I would have a stab, now here is what I fear, DM will leave Everton not because he was a failure but simply Everton failed him. To all the Moyes haters out there be very careful what you wish for, no doubt the idiots at sos1878 will be high fiving each other today thinking mission accomplished. How Moyes has not walked away in the previous ten years is beyond me, working his socks off on a shoe string whilst the inept board failed him and undermined him at every opportunity stripping him and us of our assets.

Always feared that one scarificail lamb would be offered up this pre season I was hopeful that would be Rodwell, I know fear that it will lead to a mass exidos Baines, Fellaini and christ please no not Jelavic. Moyes has been the glue that has kept the harmony and the team spirit together at the club, without him I fear we are going back to the dark days of Walker/Smith. relegation battles playing five at the back at home to Coventry. If Moyes does go can the last person switch the lights off at the grand old lady and kiss her goodnight

Matt Traynor
869   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:34:28

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Sean #858. A few points: The overseas deal will be announced in a couple of months. A few years back they brought the contract lengths of domestic and overseas in sync. The aim is to allow clubs more certainty with revenue projects. The domestic money is paid in 2 instalments, the overseas money now monthly.

The TV deal has risen every time it has been re-tendered. Everton have continued to accrue debt in this time, and operate at a loss.

The Sun today (owned by News International who are major shareholders in BSkyB) that it will herald the advent of the £350,000 / wk player.

There's your clue as to why we'll still be in the shit.

Steve Pugh
870   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:36:04

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Okay idiots, Moyes will not turn the Spurs job down because he will get sacked if he fails, because Moyes will not expect to fail. Just because you all seem to start new jobs expecting to be useless doesn't mean that the rest of us do. I always started new jobs expecting to be successful, and guess what, I was.

Whilst the Evertonian in me wants him to stay, there is a bit of me that wants him to go and show all you small minded blinkered muppets what you have lost.

Jeremy Benson
871   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:36:58

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Does it matter if moyes is the bookies favourite?

I seem to remember that they had 'arry as clear favourite for the england job. And martinez for the RS job.

So...

Michael Coffey
874   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:43:39

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Just trying to get my head round the concept of Kenwright and Redknapp at the same club. Blimey, throw in Venables as Director of Football, and the banks, agents and HMRC wouldn't stand a chance. I'm all for it.
Kris Boner
875   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:43:09

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Neville?
Tony J Williams
876   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:51:10

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Wasn't Moyes clear favourite for the Villa job a couple of seasons ago, I remember betting being suspended then. t's all bollocks.

Also, what's with all the rubbish about Moyes's tactics not fitting in with Spurs? He doesn't need to have the same tactics as with Everton because he will have a far superior squad and will have a bench that can actually be utilised instead of throwing on a kid or a has been.

I wish people would stop judging what he would hypothetically do at Spurs based on the players he has at his disposal at Everton. You have a better squad, your tactics change, it's that simple.

Dan McKie
877   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:51:01

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Gary Carter "Dan mackie, the fact that there is talk of baines or Fellaini leaving has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on wether moyes has overall say on the football side of things, it's pure media, fan and Internet forum speculation is in no way at all based on cold hard fact" - Ok, fair point on those 2 players as nothing concrete has come about yet, but what about the other half of my post which you left out? Do you think it was Moyes' footballing decision to sell Arteta, Yak, Beckford, and Vaughan in one summer, with little or nothing in to replace them? No it wasn't and that was my point. Moyes does not have total control, because so called business decisions and paying back the banks come first. Levy might put his two penneth worth in on various matters, but at least the guy has two penneth to begin with. Who do you think is harder to work for? Levy who gives his manager resources and is genuinely looking at building a new stadium, or Bill who doesn't, isn't and probably never will?
Mark Lennon
879   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:58:08

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I can see this happening and Kenwright punching above his weight and offering Pete Price a lucrative contract to avoid relegation.
Steve King
880   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:59:01

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Steve Pugh #870

Well said! What ever criticism you can throw at Moyes one thing is for sure and that is his confidence in his own ability!

Also Tony #876
you're spot on! Moyes has adapted his tactics at everton around the players he's had available. With Pienaar, Arteta and Donovan in the team a couple of years back we played some really attractive attacking football becuse he had those type of players available. Recently he has had to take a more defensive approach as he has had a squad with strong defensive players.
If he goes to Spurs he will play the tactics required to achieve the best results available with the squad there.

I have no doubt Fellaini and Jelavic would soon follow him to WHL..........which is bloody worrying!!!

Andy Whittingham
882   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:02:15

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If Moyes goes to Spurs I think it would be a bad situation all round..

Bad for Moyes, Levy won't give him the time BK has. Bad for Spurs, the fans will demand a continuation of free-flowing attacking football. Bad for Everton, would probably see the wheels fall off somewhat, Pienaar, Baines, Fellaini could go, and the team spirit would take a battering.

Grant Smith
883   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:16:33

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People need to calm down. The bookies have put Moyes as favourite, not Spurs and not Moyes. Let's hold fire to see what develops. Also is favourite as the bookies deem spurs to be a step up for Moyes. A step up? ... I am not sure that I would class a club with the same size ground, minus the likes of Adebayour, Modric, Bale & Van De Vaart and as a "step up" personally.

Moyes is very happy at Everton and I for one do not see him leaving for this particular job. If he diod however leave then guess what? ... life goes on

Bernard Joyce
885   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:15:57

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I cant see him going ? I dont think he is big time enough for Spurs. That is not knocking us at all ? it just wouldn't make sense to get rid of Harry and hire Moyes. A couple of Spurs fans I work with are praying to get him. They are "already buying their Jelavic shirts" and "Davey Moyes's blue and white army".
Sam Hoare
893   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:41:30

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Sadly Grant there is no doubt that Spurs is a step up. Mainly for wealth and depth of current squad and money available to buy new players. Both of which come with higher expectations.

The truth is that alot of Everton fans, including me, would be pretty pleased (assuming we get given no money again this season) to finish in the top 6 whereas Spurs will expect/demand top 4.

Robert Poots
894   Posted 14/06/2012 at 11:57:34

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Surely we will get compensation if Moysie goes to Spurs? Will that not be enough to keep our players for another season???
Mark Dunford
896   Posted 14/06/2012 at 12:50:33

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Always difficult to predict what will happen in these situations but there is obviously a realistic chance that Moyes will go to a club with money to spend. Question is what to do if this happens. Martinez may have burnt his bridges by flirting too closely with the dark side and the other two outstanding candidates have moved on to Villa and dark side. Neville is almost the last man standing but would need a mentor of sorts - Steve McClaren worked with him at Man Utd, built a good attacking team at Middlesborough and has won a title in Holland. He also showed some dignity when he left Forest and no one can be blamed for an England failure other than the prima donnas in the team. Problem is we have run out of credible candidates
Steve Guy
900   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:11:05

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Straight swap Harry for Davey plus we get to keep Pienaar and DM not allowed to come in for any of our squad for at least a year (unless it's Cahill !)
Al Reddish
902   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:05:56

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Why wouldn't Moyes be right for Spurs? This free flowing football people go on about was costing Spurs points in the run in to the end of the season as it was leaving them open at the back. Meanwhile, back at Goodison, we were playing some very attractive stuff, knocking goals in for fun and even scored 4 at Old Trafford. Moyes also has dignity and integrity, something 'Arry will never have. Personally I hope he stays and Kenshite can actually find some money for him.
Noel Lynam
906   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:27:33

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If Moyes goes, we'll end up with Kenwright installing Ally McCoist as manager and Duncan Ferguson as his assistant.

Both of which will be on John Parrott's recommendation.

Davie Weir will then be made first team coach.

Paul David
907   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:26:45

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Al

I think Moyes could well do well at Spurs,as much as I dont like him he does get results.The problem is unless he gets off to a flying start and does something special in his first season i'd expect the spurs fans to hound him out.

People have said only plays the way he does because of the players at his disposal (players he signed) but I dont see it that way.

During the last few years we have had a better team than most in the league yet in the main he doesnt look to attack and finish these teams off.

Jeremy Benson
909   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:29:16

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I think moyes is in the last year of his current contract isn't he? If so, not much compensation.

In any case, I don't think there will be any change. Whatever anyone else says about him, I think moyes genuinely loves the club and I would imagine he might only consider leaving if there was no-way to keep everton competing. He's been here so long that it must be a wrench to leave. Can kenwright convince him to re-sign? I think he can.

Alan Maher
914   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:38:06

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Dan McKie 877

"Do you think it was Moyes' footballing decision to sell Arteta, Yak, Beckford, and Vaughan in one summer, with little or nothing in to replace them?"

Firstly, Arterta wanted to move, said he wanted to play Champions League football so who was DM to stand in his way, the Yak always scores in the first couple of seasons that he's at a club then moves on, Beckford never got on with Moyes anyway and the fact that he accepted the move to Leicester showed his complete lack of ambition and Vaughan was a sick note which was proven when he moved to Norwich and got injured for the season.

At the end of the day, Moyes would have more control of our club than he would at Spurs.

Anto Byrne
915   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:48:11

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Apparently Everton are a bigger club than Spurs and Moyes only sees Man Utd being bigger so ? unless they throw silly money at him and a big transfer kitty ? I can't see it.
Spurs fans are not too keen by all accounts with Cappello being preferred to Moyes on their blogs. For me, we need a change, a new optimism, and a manager not afraid to win. Fingers crossed Spurs appoint Moyes and the giant that is Everton can be re-awakened from its slumber.
Steve Smith
920   Posted 14/06/2012 at 13:34:00

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I remember Moyes saying the likes of Spurs and Newcastle are getting ahead of us because of the finances at their disposal, and that really the best we can hope for is to finish around about the sixth or seventh spot in the league, so in other words he thinks those clubs are more progressive than us, and he's right.
If he's offered the job and turns it down, it just shows his total lack of ambition imo, and if that's the case, then he's the last person I want managing Everton.
Sam Morrison
921   Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:06:14

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I don't agree with all the posters saying get Redknapp in at Goodison. Here's a manager born to pass the buck when things don't go his way. He's done a good job at Spurs but with the type of budget that would make Moyes' nose bleed. I really don't seem him knuckling down and getting results on a shoestring like Moyes has. And I don't want him either.
Tony J Williams
923   Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:16:13

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Steve, why would it show a lack of ambition? He wants to run things his way, if Levy won't give him any freedom, he may not like the set up, ambition wouldn't come in to it with this scenario.

They have just sacked their manager for coming 4th, obviously something else has gone on behind the scenes but this would not be the best incentive for a manager to join a club.

Sam, I am with you. What would Arry do at Everton, he wouldn't have the money to buy his way out of trouble if his managerial skill were found wanting. It was said that Arry has had a good pay off by Spurs, they have paid him £3m and it works out that after tax hie will receive......£3m....boom bomm

Steven Scaffardi
924   Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:14:03

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@Steve Smith 920

Most fans moan when players want away from a club saying they are not showing enough loyalty, and yet if Moyes chooses to snub Spurs (if offered the job) and shows a bit of loyalty to finish a job here that he started, you will call that a lack of ambition!

I think we need to get real here and give the man a break. Not many men get to manage a football team at the highest level. If you have made it this far, then I think that shows you have more than a bit of ambition about you! Otherwise we'd all be bloody football managers!

Alex Bonnar
927   Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:27:54

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Why should DM leave? Players Rooney, Lescott, Arteta and Pinnear all wanted to leave 'to win things' - not for the money (hollow laugh) - they insisted on going and were not forced out . Rooney and Lescott (just) have now won medals and earn multi-millions more than they could at EFC. Pinnear and Arteta (once Wiltshire is back) will spend more time on the bench at their new clubs and for a footballer money then becomes less attractive - blame their Agents. In the case of DM, at Spurs,he would not have the support or control he enjoys at EFC, whatever they tell him, this has allowed him mainly to make good steady progress. I hope that he stays and continues the good work with whatever money BK can scratch together for him - we know it will be spent wisely. Next season, with DM, my gut feeling is that we will win something.
Dave Wilson
928   Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:46:04

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Lack of ambition ?

Perhaps he will hold for the Man U job. I know some of the experts here dont think he will get it, but the current manager thinks he has a great chance.

Wonder who he`ll listen too

Kevin Tully
929   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:02:13

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Does anyone seriously believe Man Utd would hire a manager who has never won a trophy ?

I'll have whatever you're drinking Dave.

Roberto Birquet
931   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:00:21

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Sean
TV rights are now going to bring in an extra £14 million each year from 2013, this will be enough for Everton to finally break even and even make a modest profit, BEFORE selling anyone.
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It will just inflate players' wages yet further. Until there is some sort of capping policy, clubs will see little of the extra money - or should I say they'll see it for a few minutes before it flies into the players' bank accounts.
Jim Harrison
932   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:04:23

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I like the way Moyes has already been accused of lacking ambition in the event of him not accepting a job he is as yet to have been offered!

James Stewart
934   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:08:21

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All this free flowing football talk is complete shite. Spurs were good for half a season and very average for the other half.

Moyes would do a great job for them I think. We all know he is good at finding great bargains. Look how well Jelavic is doing and how Gibson reinvented himself. I doubt whether he would want to jump ship for Spurs. Without Modric and Bale which is likely I'm not sure what he could achieve there that redknapp didn't.

Dave Wilson
935   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:10:16

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I didnt say they would Kevin.

maybe you might want to have what SAF is drinking.

I`m sure Moyes will want to give as much consideration to your comments as he does to Fergies

James Martin
936   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:03:35

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Maybe the reason Moyes might want to stay at Everton is because he has qualities such as loyalty, integrity and ambition. Having an easy comfy job is going to a place like Spurs or Chelsea having 100s of millions to throw at winning something and then eventually getting fired whatever the outcome. Look at Redknapp, barely put a foot wrong yet kicked out for just not really fitting anymore. If Moyes went there he's on easy street, he'll get 2 or 3 years whatever happens and can pretty much do whatever he likes with transfers and then get a big fat pay off. Why is he comfortable at Everton, is having no money every single year comfortable, is having to scour european backwaters for youth players and taking other people's sloppy seconds on loan comfortable, is having your best players periodically leaving comfortable, is having a fan base that wants a top 4 team playing a certain brand of football despite our limitations comfortable?

If Moyes does go I don't blame him because quite frankly after what he's done here he deserves a bit of an easy ride. Then we'd all have to watch him working his genius in the transfer market picking up all those players that he could never get with us and with those better players playing a brand of football even better than what we've seen the back end of this season. Instead of Magaye Gueye on his left flank he'd have Gareth Bale. Knowing Moyes though he'll probably turn down a shed load of money, professional advancement, a chance to win trophies, all to stay at everton and try against overwhelming odds to get us back where we think we belong, and how will we thank him? By getting back to moaning at his every word and team selection and claiming that he wouldn't have been good enough for Spurs anyway. Of course some new progressive coach could come in play Barkley instead of Osman and we'll win the league, who knows he might even play 4-4-2 like mike Bassett. Even if he gets relegated as long as he did it in a flowing style he'll automatically be better than moyes and will be vindication for some people who only want to watch Everton to be entertained.

Roberto Birquet
937   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:11:44

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Dan 877
I believe the second part of your post is wrong as according to most sources Moyes did okay the sale of Arteta. That was because Arteta handed in a transfer request about three hours' before the deadline. Moyes told the board/Bill that he does not want a player who does not want to play for us. Perhaps, was reminded of the mess around the Lescott saga, when we capitulated to Arsenal with a fed-up looking Lescott at the back.

Of course, you've already admitted the first part of your post was wrong. Can people stop referring to rumour as fact. It's bloody ridiculous.

Paul David
938   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:14:23

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People keep saying why would Moyes go to Spurs especially if Modric and Bale go.If them two players do go then any new manager will have about £60m to spend as a result.
Dan McKie
941   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:11:49

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Alan "Firstly, Arterta wanted to move, said he wanted to play Champions League football so who was DM to stand in his way?"

It isnt about Mikel Arteta or David Moyes, it's about Everton FC! The fact is is that selling our best and only creative player on deadline day with no time to sign a replacement was to the detriment of the club. If Arteta wanted CL football so bad, why didnt he say so earlier and tout himself around all summer, or why did he sign a 5 year contract? My point is that it wasnt a football decision, and if it was just a personal thing toward Arteta, then where did the money go? Also, just what control would he lose by moving to Spurs? If he went there, he might pinpoint a player he likes, and actually get to sign him, he might quite like having Gareth Bale playing for him, and not have to worry that the second anyone comes waving half his market value, hes gone. He also might see a new stadium being built further increasing the already inflated revenue he would have at his disposal. I really dont see this control freak Levy that people talk about. He gave Harry plenty of time (4 years) and money (god knows how much), and in the end he had nothing to show for it.

Anto Byrne
942   Posted 14/06/2012 at 14:51:20

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Use your head not your gut.

The Head says small squad and club want survival first so 40 pts is the target and then we might push on.

Maybe the 40 pts can come quickly, if not it will be the safety first keep it tight nick a goal to endure if we have the notorious slow start.

Jelalvic will be isolated up front and service will be limited as we hang on for the point. The season ended weeks ago and we have no new faces or exits, a lot of speculation though. Remember football is business first and entertainment second. If we aint winning forget the entertainment.

If Moyes goes can we get a manager intent on winning first drawing second and losing a distant third.

Phil Neville for next Everton manager, Why? Schooled under Ferguson and Moyes, great leadership on the pitch and don't forget is a class full back so understands the defensive requirements of the premier league. Finally he won stuff at Utd with perhaps Stubbs as his assistant or Kevin Sheedy.

DM was at best an average defender turned lower league manager and now with 10 yrs under his belt. Even with all that experience I still don't see him as a winner, even Dog-leash won something, got to the FA Cup Final and injuries to key players prevented them going for a top 5 position if we are honest.

I am not a Moyes out nor in but after 10 years surely its time for a change.

So will Moyes got to Spurs? I don't think so, they want a manager with a pedigree of winning and playing football to their traditions.

Maybe for to Old Trafford but not for another 3 years at least. So give him that extension and lets see if he can prove he is a winner. I hope he is I really do.

Giles Larkman
943   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:17:54

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Now I know some may well not agree (to be fair, this is toffeeweb so I would expect nothing less!), but I really hope Moyes doesn't leave; purely because I think the quality of replacement would be significantly under grade.

The likes of of Martinez, Clark et al don.t really have the right to come here. I know Moyes came from PNE, but I feel he was the exception to the rule. I know he has detractors here (with good reason with regards to late subs, too defensive etc), but I really don't want to lose him.

If he did want to go, go big; don't go to fucking spurs.

Paul Whittaker
944   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:18:19

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Well said James @ 936 - AVB got 8 million quid for half a seasons work from Chelsea, Roy Hodgson about 4 million and I am sure Harry will pocket 2 million before tax (or 2 million after tax in his case) for gettting the boot yesterday.

Once a manager signs a contract with one of the so called bigger clubs they are made whether they win something or not. I would have thought on a personal level it is much easier managing Liverpool with a 3 year contract in your back pocket, than it is facing the daily pressures of keeping Everton afloat.

Jimmy Kelly
945   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:31:49

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James Martin, I feel like standing and applauding.

I think you have summed up how a very large part of our fanbase feel.

Shaun Brennan
946   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:45:17

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I'm suprised Jimmy S hasn't mentioned drenthe yet..

If moyes leaves he will be replaced by Neville. That's my feeling anyway.

Mike McIlroy
947   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:35:43

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Although Moyes has his critics one fact remains - he has turned us into a side that is very hard to beat and one that every team in the premiership respects. That scum Mancini took us for granted and got spanked for it. Now here's the thing, without 100's of millions you have no way of getting into the top 4 in the premiership and it is getting harder and harder. Without 10's of millions you will struggle to stay in the league.. fact. It looks like we will definitely lose Baines and probably Fellaini and if Moyse goes to Spurs then no Pienaar either.... all in all that particular scenario leaves me very very worried. I'm not Moyes' biggest fan but I think he is only man who could have kept us safe with so little money
Robbie Riddal
948   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:52:17

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@Steve Smith #920
"If he's offered the job and turns it down, it just shows his total lack of ambition imo, and if that's the case, then he's the last person I want managing Everton."

Are you saying that if Moyes is offered the Spurs job and turns it down, we should sack him?

lol

James Flynn
949   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:45:45

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James (936) - Ugh. Too fucking true all the way thru your post.

I hope he stays and gets some reasonable budget to work with from these rich, cheap bastards we have for owners.

Interesting angle on all this, if Moyes goes. What about the enormous pressure his replacement will be under to get like, yearly Table results with the budget Moyes had to work with?

Guess whoever it is, and us, will find out just what an "easy comfy job" managing EFC has been all along.

WT Looi
950   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:00:44

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Oh btw, guess who's representing Harry.

"Redknapp and his agent, Paul Stretford, spent Wednesday in negotiations with Levy, and it became clear that he was close to ending his tenure at White Hart Lane."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/14/harry-redknapp-champions-league-qualification

Tony J Williams
951   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:55:43

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James, I wonder how much time the newcomer will get if things don't start well? Will the shouters then become the apologists?
Paul David
952   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:03:18

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Mike 947

I don't like Moyes but I will admit he has done well to keep as high in the league as he does on a regular basis but how can you say he is the only man that could have kept us safe? When was the last time we was relegated?

Dave Wilson
953   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:09:08

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Or if Martinez takes over and struggles, will the appologists become the MOB ?
Paul David
955   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:14:18

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Or if the new manager starts badly will we just be used to it.
Tony J Williams
956   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:15:46

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Watch this space Paul.....(groan)
Keith Glazzard
958   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:15:41

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I think the Glasgow squad mentioned above has a good chance of getting the gig if it becomes available.
Denis Richardson
960   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:18:54

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On a slightly different note, shouldn't our manager be at the Euros scouting potential talent instead of being on holiday? The season finished about a month ago after all.

Re Spurs, I just cannot see Levy coming in for Moyes as his style imo is completely against what spurs are about. Still from my side he is more than welcome to make an offer that Moyesy cannot refuse. (A couple of spurs fans I know are dreading the thought of Moyes joining them....I can only pray).

Re who could replace him, I'll cross that bridge if he actually leaves!

Dean Adams
961   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:18:56

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Dave Wilson

"Or if Martinez takes over and struggles, will the appologists become the MOB ? "

And will the new MOB (Martinez out brigade) be the appologists and then want to form the MBB (Moyes back brigade) and if so does that mean that none of us will have a clue as to who is who?

Paul Washington
962   Posted 14/06/2012 at 15:48:50

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Moyes for Man Utd? No chance, any now/future manager of Man Utd will be expected to win the Champions League ? they will not be given 3 years or so to win it, as Moyes will need.

Moyes for Spurs? Well, that depends on Gordon Clegg giving Moyes money for reinforcements to squad (if he's offered the job).

I have moaned about Dithery dave on countless occasions, especially after April's semi-final, but to see him actually go... it's a toughie, now that a couple of likely candidates for any future EFC job have been snapped up.
Matt Traynor
964   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:31:46

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Hmmm Robbie Savage on BBC is on the Moyes to Tottenham bandwagon (he's on Moyes bandwagon whenever there's a vacancy) but, in true Robbie Savage style, thinks Everton could do a lot worse than get Rafa Benitez in.

Toffeeweb would be unbearable if that were to happen.

Tony J Williams
965   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:33:36

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"On a slightly different note, shouldn't our manager be at the Euros scouting potential talent instead of being on holiday?" Is he not allowed a holiday then? Scouting potential talent? Any good manager who knows their worth should know the ins and outs of all the players in these teams already
Dean Adams
966   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:36:02

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Matt Traynor

Robbie Savage is just a wind-up merchant. He loves stirring up emotions, good or bad because he knows that controversy is more interesting than the normal course of things. He always makes people think, so job done for him really!!

Steve Smith
968   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:22:31

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If Moyes is offered the job and he turns it down, the only reason could be that he knows he's untouchable where he is now, that in my eyes is a lack of ambition. Spurs have a fan base similar to ours a better and bigger squad and most importantly, the money to push the club on, Moyes has given us ten years and in terms of finance, nothing has changed, and it looks as though it's not going to change any time soon, why would he turn down a club that has the potential and backing to take him to the very top? Moyes has given our club every chance to do what they keep promising, like sell the club/find investment, he's waited ten years, it hasn't happened, he owes us nothing imo.

Harry wasn't sacked for finishing only fourth, he's even said so himself, I would say it was more to do with his high profile and very distracting court case along with his "it's never my fault" attitude that have pushed the Spurs board to look elsewhere, only board members are allowed to have dogs with bank accounts, managers doing the same are getting a bit above there station in their eyes.

Ben Jones
969   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:38:46

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I think Moyes is exactly what Spurs need.

Moyes might not be the biggest advocate of nice football, but its not as if Spurs would play hoofball if Moyes took over. If you look at their midfield with the likes of Bale, Van der Vaart and Modric, that team are going to play nice football whoever is in charge. They have one of the best attacks in the league.

Spurs' main weakness is to shut up shop and defend. They do have some good players, but do not defend the best as a unit. I can see Moyes sorting that out very quickly, so they could arguably be even better than that with Redknapp.

Martinez is the obvious replacement, and hes the best of the bunch I think, just needs a lot of time to implement his style. At least we will see some good football and Kenwright, although he has huge flaws, seems to give the managers some backing.

By the way, Moyes' first signing would be Jagielka. Can just see that happening

Jimmy Kelly
970   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:43:19

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Steve, that's not the only reason at all though is it?

Theres loads of reasons, geography, money, disagreement on objectives, contract length, disliking the chairman, not being allowed to take your own staff. That's off the top off my head.

Dan McKie
971   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:46:15

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Ben Jones, Kenwright gives managers backing? He backs them with time, yes, but is that because he cant afford to be sacking managers and paying compensation? Luckily, Moyes has never deserved the sack, but it would be interesting to see a new manager come in and struggle to get results enough for us to be in real trouble. However, Kenwright cant back a manager where it is important, and thats with cash to purchase new players and retain our better ones.
Scott Hamilton
972   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:50:51

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Steve (968) - What bollocks!
Paul David
973   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:55:02

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Dan I think Moyes finished his second season on just 38 points,that would have been enough to get the sack at most clubs and I think what he done at Anfield deserves the sack,although i'm not expecting many to agree with that.

Time for the match,Balatelli to see red and Jelavic to earn a draw for Croatia late on.

Steve Smith
974   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:52:44

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Jimmy #970, you would assume that if he was offered the job, the terms of contract would be decided before an offer was made.

Scott #970, how is it bollocks? Did I miss us being bought out by a billionaire? Are Spurs players shit compared to ours? Are Spurs skint like us?

James Flynn
976   Posted 14/06/2012 at 16:52:54

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Tony J. (951) - Who knows? They can borrow Peter Barry's hand plane and hammer to re-shape the Moyes Out peg to fit all the holes on the board the way he does and likely will.

But with all this talk of Moyes leaving (I hope not) and who'll replace him? Whoever it is, God help him because he'll get none from this bunch of owners.

Maybe our set of skinflints might finally feel some legitimate, genuine pressure to let a little money go to Moyes this transfer window. Probably not, given the form over the years. But they can. They DO have the money.

On the other hand, maybe they've figured a way around the expression, "You can't take it with you". Given their tight-fistedness, perhaps they have.

Scott Hamilton
978   Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:18:14

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Steve - "If Moyes is offered the job and he turns it down, the only reason could be that he knows he's untouchable where he is now, that in my eyes is a lack of ambition"

FFS, the guy can't win!

Sam Hoare
979   Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:10:44

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Whoever replaces Harry at WHL I would say that his departure has severely lessened our chances of getting Pienaar full time. Chances are the new manager will want to have a look at his squad before selling anyone on.
Jeremy Benson
980   Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:40:20

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Steve @968, what tosh. There are lots of reasons he might not want to go.

Many of us get better job opportunities from time to time - if we don't take them, does it show a lack of ambition? Of course not. It just means we might put family first and not want to up-root 300 miles south to london. I've turned down several better jobs over the years (not the spurs one...), I like the area I'm in now and do not want to live and work in london. Thats a life-choice I make, not a lack of anything. I turned another "better" job down because I thought my potential new boss was a right plum. You spend most of your waking life at work. May as well make it enjoyable, eh?

The fact that Moyes *might* not get his head turned by perceivably "better" offers, and remains loyal and committed to doing a job with everton, is a very positive thing. How you can turn it into a negative is quite frankly baffling...

Chris Jones [Burton]
981   Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:50:53

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I think whoever takes over at WHL has a big, big job ahead of them, yet will be expected to hit the ground running. One of his first tasks might be to find 'replacements' for Modric and Bale. Add to that they've only got Defoe as a recognised striker (if you discount Saha!).

My bog worry is that should Moyes go there, he's naturally going to look to the likes of Baines, Pienaar and Jelavic. So, we'd end up losing more than a manager I fancy. Only Everton's bank and accountant will be relishing this in the long term I fear...

Mike Green
982   Posted 14/06/2012 at 17:41:27

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Especially if that man is Moyes Sam ; )
Gary Carter
983   Posted 14/06/2012 at 18:37:21

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Dan, I don't think Moyes was at all bothered about losing the yak, he was shit and didn't want to play for us. Beckford was ok, but not an Everton- or Moyes-style of player and we made an okay profit on him. and £10 million for Arteta who had also hit a poor run of form and was a shadow of his former self and was 30 years old was also good business for Moyes and the club. I believe that he later used the money freed up by ejecting those players to bring in a few new faces: Gibson, Jelavic, Pienaar, etc...

So, in answer to your question: Yes, I do believe Moyes has control over as much at the club as he feels reasonable to both parties. It's also something he quite often talks about, the fact BK lets him have control. Perhaps you haven't seen the interviews where he states this or perhaps you just think he's a liar?
Robert Elliott
985   Posted 14/06/2012 at 19:06:49

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If Moyes does go, I sincerely hope we don't try for Martinez as his replacement. Couldn't stand the soap opera that will follow with that clown Whelan pronouncing us as "not big enough for Roberto"!
Steve Smith
986   Posted 14/06/2012 at 19:40:28

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Jeremy #980,
Thank God for that then, we've got the new Dario Gradi, another twenty years to go at least.
Football managers move around, it's part and parcel of the job, Benitez for instance, still lives on the Wirral, it didn't stop him taking up a position in Italy though. It's a no brainer for me if he's offered the job, all things being equal {conditions wise etc.} he stands a better chance of silverware there than he does here at the moment.
Joe McMahon
987   Posted 14/06/2012 at 19:45:08

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Robert (985) that clown Whelan as you so graciously put it, is a honourable man who has done wonders not only for Wigan Athletic (remember Springfield Park, and divison 4) but for Wigan the town. If Dave Whelan a clown what does that make our wonderful chairman?
Jeremy Benson
988   Posted 14/06/2012 at 20:19:21

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Steve @986,

Part and parcel of the job? Really? Because this whole thread has only come about because Harry Redknapp has departed spurs.

Who, ironically, has spent the last 30 years of his managerial career exclusively in the south close to his home.

So...its only that way if you choose it to be.

Robert Elliott
990   Posted 14/06/2012 at 20:09:26

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Joe (985), not a huge fan of Kenwright either. I don't like Whelan's conduct towards other clubs in the media, which has included deriding Everton in the past for "really believing they are still a big club". I thought his daily briefing of the media during Liverpool's dealings with Martinez distasteful and I noted how he stated Aston Villa are not big enough for his manager, who is yet to acheive anything of note as far as I can see, a little while ago as well.

At least Kenwright confines his media drivel to his own club and that's embarrassing enough. I don't look forward to hearing the chairman of Wigan Athletic telling all and sundry that Roberto Martinez is too big for EFC, which is why I hope the situation never arises.

Steve Smith
992   Posted 14/06/2012 at 20:21:50

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Jeremy #988, Unlike Moyes then, who over that same period has lived in, Glasgow, Cambridge, Bristol, Shrewsbury, Scotland again and Preston.
Ged Simpson
993   Posted 14/06/2012 at 21:08:24

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Save me looking - anything from Lord T Marsh on this ?
Jack Molloy
994   Posted 14/06/2012 at 21:15:52

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I can give you a cast iron, copper bottomed lead pipe guarantee Moyes will not take the Spurs job and indeed will probably not be offered it. Think about it. Moyes is not going to leave a job where nothing is expected of him to go to a job where having the season Spurs just had gets you fired. And David Levy knows as well as anyone that the more you give Moyes to spend the less you get. I hope I'm wrong because a new manager is just what we need in my view.
Michael Kidd
996   Posted 14/06/2012 at 21:25:54

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Alex McLeish.
James Flynn
997   Posted 14/06/2012 at 21:26:46

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Jack (994) ? Is that so? Thank God for your insights.
Scott Hamilton
998   Posted 14/06/2012 at 21:37:20

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Jack - Er, Daniel Levy
James Stewart
999   Posted 14/06/2012 at 21:38:36

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Fuck off Alex mcleish and Martinez! Not fit to follow moyes. And that is not from a moyes fan
Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
003   Posted 14/06/2012 at 21:50:08

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Call me crazy... but since Bilic is taken... why not getting Harry here? Hehehe...
Kevin Tully
006   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:08:50

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AVB now favourite @ 5/4. Moyes out to 4/1.
Bjørn-Ivar Pedersen
007   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:04:18

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Or here is an other crazy idea... Phil Neville just got his license right? He must be hungry to prove what he can do.
Brendan McLaughlin
008   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:14:43

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Praise the Lord Kevin... perhaps we stand a chance of keeping the Moyesiah?
Andy Crooks
009   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:08:18

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Sam Hoare, I cannot accept that Spurs is a step up from Everton. I am not a great admirer of David Moyes but if he turned down Spurs I don't believe for a moment it would be from lack of ambition or fear of failure.

Perhaps he just might think he has a better job with a better club with a better lifestyle for his family.

Sam Hoare
012   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:18:51

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It depends on how you define step up Andy but surely you can't debate that they have a better squad, more money and higher expectations.

Whether those things comprise a 'step up' is questionable. For a professional manager who wants to win trophies and play in the champions league I believe they do.

John Ford
014   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:14:09

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'the more you give Moyes to spend the less you get.'

Really? This is one of the more bizarre comments in this thread. Firstly at an individual level the most Moyes has spent on a player is Fellaini, - he is clearly our best player so this hardly represents 'less'.

Second and more obviously - when in any real terms has he had anything close to 'more' with any substantial or consistently meaningful sum to spend? Never. Ever.

Just another Moyes bashing comment without foundation.

Whatever anyones view on style of play his dealings in the market overall are impressive and probably the main reason he has so many 'outside' admirers. The latest example being this Januarys loans/purchases.

Ian McDowell
015   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:20:17

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The bookies generally don't get it too wrong. Looking at the shift of odds from 4/6 to 4/1 for Moyes suggest he ain't getting the job. There must be some info on AVB to be backed into 5/4.
Sam Hoare
017   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:31:04

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Agreed with Ian. AVB now the favourite which suggests that either Spurs aren't so keen or don't feel like they would suceed with a bid for Moyes...
Jimmy Kelly
018   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:27:02

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Jack, well done for joining the growing list of people in the last few days to blindly repeat cliches about Moyes management.

Your statement seems particularly odd as I think the majority of people would agree that our 3 most expensive current players (Fellaini, Baines and Jelavic) are also our best. That kind of makes your point look a little bit stupid I think.

Yes he's made mistakes in the transfer market, Bily was awful and Beattie not much better but his other big signings - Johnson, Yak, thats about in 10 years - were at worst decent.

Mark Riding
019   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:36:41

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Ian / Sam, AVB was favourite for the Liverpool job at one stage, like I said on a previous thread, the betting market with 'next managers' is very volitile. It's when the name goes massive odds-on that you may be able to buy a few quid.
Andy Mack
020   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:52:32

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Hopefully it can force Billy Bullshit's hand and actually give Moyes some leverage into providing him with funding if the Spurs job is indeed withinhis grasp.
Peter Green
021   Posted 14/06/2012 at 22:56:30

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The most worrying thing if Moyes was to leave would be that he would know exactly how skint we are and how much are board would accept for are best players ? so you would see Jelavic, Fellaini, Baines and Jags all join Spurs for about £30m.
Mark Riding
022   Posted 14/06/2012 at 23:00:15

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Andy #020 - Bill Kenwright HAS NOT GOT ANY MONEY.. He even has said this himself.
His company made a profit of £1m last year.. yep, £1m. Now that sounds very nice to me personally, but in the scale of running a Premier League Football Club it dosent touch the sides. Moyes gets paid 3 TIMES what Kenwrights company makes per year.

Peter Green, scary post you made there.

Colin Southern
024   Posted 14/06/2012 at 23:13:00

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Joe McMahon, I live in Wigan mate and thats bollocks. Nobody can stand the guy and he's one ruthless bastard and has shafted plenty of people from around here. I tell you how bad he is I wish we had Kenwright
Matt Byrne
025   Posted 14/06/2012 at 23:01:27

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Despite some justified criticism for his negative tactics, particularly in the FA Cup semi-final, the overall fair opinion must be that Moyes has been good for Everton.

He has kept us in a competitive position despite a chronic and shameful lack of investment and ambition at board level. He has a clear eye for talent and in Cahill, Arteta, Baines, Jagielka, Lescott, Pienaar and even recently, Gibson and Jelavic; he has proven his capacity to nurture and develop players. Therefore, I hope he stays and is given the chance to spend some money and build his team.

Perhaps in 2008, we were at our best. There was a lot more free-flowing football with Arteta pulling the strings. Can you remember the 7-1 thrashing of Sunderland or that truly tremendous display v Fiorentina? Even Moyes's biggest critics should reflect on those games at a time before a total lack of spending and key player sales limited our effectiveness.

If he were to leave, who could we realistically go for? An old has-been non-Evertoniann would be a genuine disaster. The likes of Curbishley, McLeish, Allardyce, McClaren, McCarthy would make my heart sink into my boots. Surely, a young and ambitious manager would be a better option.

One name that stirs some interest for me would be Lee Clark. He had a tremendous unbeaten record at Huddersfield and was strangely sacked. It would be a massive step up at Everton so he would need an old head who knows the Blues expectations and history to help him along as his number 2.

Peter Reid was, I think, his manager at Sunderland and would create a sense of pride and passion. Just an idea, for me the best man to manage Everton next year is David Moyes with the addition of 2 factors. Some dosh from the chairman, and a hands up acceptance from the boss that a defensive mentality will get us so far but as shown at Wembley, will never be enough to win a trophy. An all-out positive approach and prioritising of cup games to give us the trophy we all crave would be my preferred way forward.
Tom Owen
027   Posted 14/06/2012 at 23:58:06

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It will be interesting to see this weeks developments about the vacancy. Will Tottenham approach Everton to speak to David Moyes? Or will they over look him and go for Martinez or Villas Boas? I think he would go if offered the job, unless he's waiting for a certain Alex Ferguson to retire. If he were to leave, I think Roberto Martinez would be first choice. These are worrying times for us because Moyes has been holding the ship together and can we expect a new manager to pull rabbits out of a hat on a regular basis like Moyes did.
Clive Lewis
028   Posted 14/06/2012 at 23:57:20

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Well if the papers are anything to go by Moyes is interested. Kenwright is expected to offer more money making him one of the highest paid managers like Wenger and Fergie wages. Well if Moyes wants to speak to them just to get an increase in salary, I hope he goes. Apparently on the spurs forum AVB and Capello are favourites Moyes is a long way down the list, they are suggesting he is too dull. The facts suggest he hasnt won anything he is one of the highest paid adding to that, the payout we receive probably 3 mill. Its a massive gamble for Moyes he could be out in January at Spurs. Not sure what contract would be offered maybe 2 year. Moyes may have been waiting for this to get a bigger salary from our depleted funds. Shame if this is the case.
Tom Owen
032   Posted 15/06/2012 at 01:16:41

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Tom Owen (027), have you read my mind? And are you me?
James Flynn
033   Posted 15/06/2012 at 01:19:45

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No need for Kenright and them to offer a salary increase. Davey's making a ton. Fairly. Money better spent Moyes bringing players in this summer.

Our owners, we're close to the Top! You have the funding. Let some loose for Moyes.

James Flynn
034   Posted 15/06/2012 at 01:32:31

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Mark (022) ? Kenwright never had money. His backers did and do.
Eric Myles
037   Posted 15/06/2012 at 02:24:06

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Gary #983 "Dan, I don't think moyes was at all bothered about losing the yak, he was shit"

Third highest goalscorer in the EPL behind Van Persie and Rooney.

What could we have done with those 17 goals?

Roman Sidey
039   Posted 15/06/2012 at 03:51:05

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All prejudice of Moyes asside, I see whole issue as lose-lose for him, unless he goes to Spurs and finishes 3rd+.

If he isn't offered the job, it will show that 'bigger' clubs don't really rate him. If he is offered the job and knocks it back, it won't show loyalty to Everton, but that he thinks it is too big of an ask for him. Really, what person wouldn't want a promotion from state school to public school? The other option is if he's offered the job, and takes it, he will show exactly what he is capable of doing with some money.

A real beard-scratcher is this.

Nelly Verdonghan
059   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:31:53

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Robbie Savage is a prick....!!

Stop worrying Moyes will NOT leave Everton....

Nelly Verdonghan
062   Posted 15/06/2012 at 08:37:40

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If there is ever a prime example which encapsulates everything that is WRONG about the English Premier Leauge since its inception then it's ....Robbie Savage !!

A talentless twat who touched VERY LUCKY to make a career in the game and now thinks he (and his opinions) is more important than he actually is. If you watch him as a pundit it is obvious that he just talks shite to be controversial...

Who cares what that knobhead he thinks....

As I'm sure you can all guess....I HATE Robbie Savage

Tony J Williams
082   Posted 15/06/2012 at 09:31:42

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Roman, I think if it is offered to him he will snatch at it like a drowning man.

His whole persona (what little there was of it) has become more and more morose the last few seasons. He is having sulks now whereas he wouldn't show this emotion before.

Offer him a higher paid job, guaranteed transfer money and a larger, better squad.....what person wouldn't take it?

Kevin Elliott
169   Posted 15/06/2012 at 16:08:56

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If Davey boy was to leave,then the only thing that would piss me off would be the timing of the whole situation ,because we would have missed out on the one person that I would have chosen to replace him.Paul Lambert.
Tony J Williams
173   Posted 15/06/2012 at 16:41:39

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I wouldn't be pissed off if he left, I would wish him well than greet the next Everton manager with open arms.....unless it was Benitez and then I would look shiftily at my feet and greet him with an "Alright fella, welcome to Everton" and a quick sharp handshake.
Richard Reeves
190   Posted 15/06/2012 at 18:24:42

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Kevin #169,

I have to agree with you on the timing and Lambert situation. He was the main candidate for the job in my opinion.

I wonder how many people would want Redknapp after the critisism of Moyes's tactics and boring football (of which I'm one)? We would certainly be entertained and have some high scoring games but with the transfer budget the management could be more like the Portsmouth days instead of the Spurs one's where we would see a lot of mercenaries playing. But in truth the bloke does my head in and he never seems to have any love of the clubs he manages (apart from West Ham).

All irrelevent really because Moyes is NOT going anywhere... and if you think otherwise then you don't know how this man thinks.
Mick Davies
191   Posted 15/06/2012 at 18:56:10

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Moyes or the club haven't been approached by Spurs. The Tottenham fans in the main don't seem to want him and if they did go in for him I would be very surprised. Why sack a man who has won trophies for a man who hasn't won a thing in about 15 years management?
No one has ever wanted him and, although I will praise him for his hard work and effort (mind you, £3m a year would make anyone work hard), I think he has proved that he is not up to the job of restoring Everton back to the top of English football. His negativity, dithering and stubbornness to stick with his favourites even though they are horribly out of form is baffling. And surely no other PL boss would have used Hibbert as his first choice RB for a decade.
I would like to see him go and would wish him well, as everyone leaves sometime, and then if we continued to falter, the fans would unanimously turn their ire towards the board, and the club may reach a watershed and the direction of the last 20 odd years could be altered. Sadly, I really think he will be offered a long contract and Evertonians too young to remember the 'School of science' days will just put up with the same old shite for another 10 years or so
Brian Waring
193   Posted 15/06/2012 at 19:26:26

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As Mick mentions, Until Spurs come out and say they want to approach us, and talk to Moyes about the job, then he's not in the running. Also, I think it was on another thread, but someone mentioned that its not the bookies who would install Moyes as the favourite for the job, it's dictated by the amount of money that is being placed on him.
James Flynn
228   Posted 15/06/2012 at 22:47:24

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Mick (191) - You neglected mentioning the reason for why we're stuck where we are, our owners.

Bring in who you like, we're fucked under current ownership. And whoever you bring in, let's see if he can keep us in our current league position holding pattern on the budget afforded Moyes.

No such thing as indifferent owners and championship teams. Doesn't happen. So have in who you like, "the same old shite for another 10 years or so" will happen.

Assuming, of course, the new manager can do what Moyes did on the same budget.

Thomas Windsor
291   Posted 16/06/2012 at 13:56:48

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Hope Moyes does take it...

Time for a change at Everton.
Ian Bennett
294   Posted 16/06/2012 at 14:10:04

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Eric 37 ? Yak or Jelavic?
Roman Sidey
665   Posted 17/06/2012 at 22:12:22

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Tony J, agree entirely.

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