From My Seat: Norwich City (H)

By Ken Buckley   ::  24/11/2012 Oh dear — an inadequate in depth squad comes home to roost. On paper, the line up reflected the issue of those unfit to start with those left available and many on receiving news of the line up would have noted that we had good players on the pitch with little on the bench and those that were fit to start could not be used in their accustomed positions which left us with a team that was and looked unbalanced and add to that mix at least two players woefully short of form to face a side that were going well over their last six games without anywhere near the class of our first choice picks but full of endeavour and fight and it was no surprise that we got the game that we did. In fact from my seat I thought we were fortunate to draw with only the lateness of the oppositions equalising goal masking the fact.

We assembled as usual in our Walton ale house full of optimism until the team was texted through and many a pint suffered a mid-swig gulp as it revealed our acute problem due to injuries as well as many a guess of who might play where. I nearly got it right except I had Jags and Heitinga swopped – still the players on the pitch should be enough we thought as we made our way up Spellow lane to the game. Right away there was a feeling of a ‘touch of apprehension’ as the walk up was quiet and only snatches of hushed conversation reflecting on team set out and possible dire outcomes.
I picked up my proey which today was a retro in the style of the seventies with a free ‘Pink Echo’ in the style of the era thrown in.

Both copies were reflecting the April 13th 1974 Goodison Park game v Norwich. Our team that day was Lawson, Darracott, Seargeant, Clements, Kenyon, Hurst, Bernard, Buckley, Lyons, Latchford, and Telfer. And our sub was Jones. We won 4-1 with goals from Buckley, Telfer, Latchford and Lyons 27,967 faithful turned up to witness it. If you were around in those days when you got home from the match you could have watched the likes of ‘Dr Who’, ‘Dixon of Dock Green’, ‘On tour with the Osmonds’ and the film that night was ‘Morning Departure’ starring John Mills and Richard Attenborough. Followed by ‘Match of the day’ featuring Ipswich (1) Liverpool (1) if you were still up after that then ‘That’s Life’ and ‘Sergeant Bilko’ followed.

Back to the present and in keeping with the 70s theme after an adult ‘Toffee Lady’ had distributed her wares we set of in our quest to gain three points. We made a good start with some joined up stuff along with some stuttering stuff as we sought understanding within our ranks. Distin hit a long but accurate one to Naismith who found Osman with a set up pass but his effort although well curled went wide.

We kept pressing and while we kept the ball on the deck and good movement we looked half decent and it was no surprise that on the 12 min mark we got a breakthrough courtesy of two of our newer acquisitions, Hitzlsperger lofted one down the left into the path of Oviedo who showed speed and nous as he cut in and found Naismith who hammered the ball into the roof of the net. Cheers but not wild ones such was the apparent doubt in fans minds regarding our predicament on the line up front. Norwich haven’t conceded many goals lately so maybe – just maybe we could go on and prosper.

For half an hour we dominated and sure fire joined up stuff had Norwich rocking and sort of half chances came until after a fine move Baines forced Ruddy into vital save low down to his left. For the last 15 mins of the half we went off the boil and when Holt started out-muscling our defenders a bit of apprehension set in allowing Holt to flash a shot wide and then force a corner that we did not defend properly and were glad to see a free header go wide. Half-tome came with us still one up and our best hope seemed to lie with the managers words of wisdom in the dressing room as a glance toward the bench saw little or nothing that could dramatically change anything already on the pitch.

The second half was hard to sit through as we were offering little and you could see Norwich growing in stature and belief even if you didn’t want to admit it.
We were at sixes and sevens, first when Howard sort of scrambled across his line to keep out a free kick and then got right lucky when he was late off the line and just managed to flap away as Holt looked favourite.

Hell it was all Norwich now and Holt was running riot and he set up Snodgrass I think and but for a Hettinga clearance from the line we would have been all square then Howard seemed to go the wrong way as a goalbound header came in but he recovered and did well to keep it out. We did have bits and pieces of long enough possession to worry them none more than Baines who had an excellent slalom of a run that saw him through and forced Ruddy into a sprawling save. The same player after many shenanigans fired a free kick just over.

Osman was doing his best to both provider and Mr quick feet in and around the box. We were getting nowhere and the viewing was anything but easy as almost all assembled would be grateful to say ‘Never mind the quality’ ‘Feel the win’.

It was now a case of could we hold on to this precarious lead as the clock ticked down. Should the manager make subs especially as Pienaar and Jelavic were right off the boil but a look at the bench told you any move would be a gamble. I agreed with the manager, we were in the lead leave it alone.

It almost worked until with every fan and the manager with Fulham on the mind saw Baines give away a stupid free kick as we entered the 90th minute, it was stupid only in the sense that we had a ref who interpreted contact as he and only he saw fit. Baines contact was minimal but he should have known better as he had 90 mins of this most irritating ref. to suss him. He wasn’t biased just poor.

Free kick it was though... Garrido took in regulation fashion to the back post where the big centre back Bassong headed goalwards, at that moment I lost exactly what happened as the ball seemed to hit the bar with Howard still rooted to the line but flapping and the ball seemed to hit the bar come down with Holt charging it over the line. A right mess but the Ref signalled goal. I will look to see that again in slow motion such was the surprise of it. Final whistle and dejection was the order of the afternoon as the result was greeted as a loss rather than perhaps as a point toward safety.

MOTM – Osman

Overall a disappointing game on many fronts. Our line up laid bare the point I have been making for sometime — Great first pick team – injury, suspension and loss of form leaves us as witnessed today and indeed at Reading. Fifth in the table indicates a good start to the season and I saw last week on this site an article urging fans to celebrate this and not be negative but I have to report that there is among match going fans little or no negativity but rather a large dollop of frustration that we are not seeing an end product from such good approach play, the inability to cover for such good players like Jelavic and Pienaar while they are obviously, for whatever reason, hopelessly out of form.

We know we are a genuine threat to break into the top four but also we know we just have to rely on there being few if any injuries of any length of time. No suspensions or the loss of form. Now that is a tall order so really all us fans can do is hope, know how near we really are, continue being the twelfth man yet all the time really knowing only a few signings in Jan can help the cause. Is that being negative? – I don’t think so.

Arsenal Wednesday night and as things stand it could be a touch more than difficult but as with all things footy related you just never know so, if we gather, clap Arteta, then welcome them to the bear pit Goodison can become under the lights, it could be quite a night. Fellaini will be back barring training ground mishaps and let's hope he brings a few more with him and we have a night to savour.

It can be many things following the Blues but I am never bored.
UP THE BLUES

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Ian Allaker
060 Posted 24/11/2012 at 23:48:48
I think we needed some fresh legs and some fresh impetus. It is clear some players are struggling for form so why not throw on someone with a little more enthusiasm and energy who has a little more hunger and something to prove?

Please Moyes open your eyes. Why is it only you who cannot see when the game is turning, don’t allow the opposition to get the upper hand to punish us every single time.
Dick Fearon
062 Posted 24/11/2012 at 23:43:44
The view from my armchair was like that of the Reading game: for the entire second half, it seemed inevitable that Norwich would score...

We desperately need fresh ideas if not fresh legs but sadly we saw the return of the dithering Davey Moyes.

It was also unfortunate that 3 of our best shooting opportunities fell to the bloke who cannot kick a hole in a wet Echo.
Dave Lynch
069 Posted 25/11/2012 at 00:18:25
Woefull against a very average Norwich side.

Pienaar was rubbish and Naismith is average at best, what has happened to this partnership he and Jella are supposed to have?

Back to mid-table mediocrity by January I fear.
James Lee
078 Posted 25/11/2012 at 03:49:53
Everton. The most frustrating club to support in the Premier League, if not the world.

We have a manager who seemingly has an incredible talent in making so-so players stand out and bringing out the best from them. That's it. All the quality of a scout; none the manager... why?

1) Huge blind spot. He can't see what the whole world can see when a game starts shifting or when a player start losing his influence. (He did improve over the years though, I recall it was more dire in the past.)

2) Not a motivator. Week-in, week-out, I'm really tired of complains about lack of depth, lack of funds and differences between the top 4 and us. There's some element of truth, but it's really pathetic to hear it again and again.

3) Tactically inert. Our inability to tactically dissect the opposing team's weakness, referee tendency and how we use him to our advantage, etc.

Mohammed Horoub
079 Posted 25/11/2012 at 05:17:05
I've watched the goal again and I still don't understand what Howard was trying to do? I don't think it's a coincidence that he is one of the main players calling for Moyes to sign a new contract because I guarantee any new manager wouldn't be as patient with him...

After watching the Villa - Arsenal game I was left thinking that if Everton had played with half the passion of the Villa players then we would be on 23 pts. I think Moyes needs to take a look at what Managers like Lambert are doing. He trusts his young players and isn't afraid to give a 'veteran' like Bent the hook when he isn't pulling his weight.

I know logic said yesterday that Vellios and Barkley are too young to handle the pressure situation of leading 1-0 at home but with the way Jelavic, Pienaar, Hitz and Osman faded in the second half the equalizer was inevitable and a far more superior team would have beaten us easily...

Gibson, Mirallas and Felli can't come back any sooner and I also hope Hibbert is fit because yesterday we needed someone to push back and only Neville, Hibbert and Gibson have that tackle in them which would have let Norwich know not to mess with us (since the ref as usual provided us no protection...)

Bob Parrington
080 Posted 25/11/2012 at 06:13:47
just watched this on TV. We all could have written the script. How many times does this happen? Definition of insanity. do what you're always doing and expect a different result. Last few minutes and they get a free kick. I think the point at which it is given must be etched in the turf. They cross it. We don't have a clue how to defend it. They score to either win or equalise. Don't know about the rest of you but I'm sick of it.

Let's face it. We were shit. The referee was a disgrace. But we still deserved the win except for that ridiculous last minute crap defending of a cross.

Disillusioned yet again!

Jim Hourigan
081 Posted 25/11/2012 at 07:32:34
How you can pick Osman as MoM I find astounding. Baines and Oviedo were a country mile better than him. I think people have become lulled into this sense that Osman because he has tidy control and can move the ball quickly between his feet, has become some sort of midfield general. A half decent central midfield player should control the tempo, dictate the range of passes, short, long, diagonal etc. All that Leon has are the nifty one twos. Can he pass a ball over 25 yds? Do we see him sliding balls between the centre half and full back?
I'm not suggesting he was at fault for us not winning yesterday, merely that this apparent fawning for a journeyman midfielder who 2 years ago almost everyone accepted was a squad player at best, amazes me. Has he suddenly become a better player? how many chances has he missed in the last 2 games alone? Powder puff shooting is his trade mark, no speed to get past anyone so if its not a tight control situation, which I agree he can usually get out of quite well, he rarely offers anything. Whilst I'm not convinced about Hitzleberger, and thought he tired as the game went on, he produced a far greater rang of passes yesterday than Osman will ever be able to produce. Moyes plays the present system to accommodate him and he is just not good enough to warrant that. Miralles, Fellaini, Gibson, Hitzelberger, Piennar / Oviedo across the midfield with Ossie on the bench as backup.
Noel Early
087 Posted 25/11/2012 at 08:59:11
Oh god... so frustrated again this morning. Silly points dropped against Newcastle, Wigan, Fulham, Reading and now Norwich. We should be sitting around 28/29 points if we learned how to defend again.

I agree, Hibbert would make a difference if he was fit; sometimes the art of defending is not appreciated enough.

I can't believe Moyes wont go for a keeper soon to replace Howard, I have had enough of him at this stage... I can't believe he got a new contract.

If Barkley didn't get on yeaterday, I fear he hasn't a chance all year. Moyes should have kept him on loan to learn the art of tackling for a while longer.

FRUSTRATED!!!
Danny Broderick
097 Posted 25/11/2012 at 10:11:35
You're having a laugh aren't you Jim? Osman must have been doing something right to get in the England squad. When Everton are playing well,Osman is generally right in the think of it, along with Baines,Pienaar & Fellaini.
I didn't see yesterday's game - only MOTD - so I don't know whether he played well yesterday or not. But regardless,Hitzlberger was out of contract 3 months ago with no takers - there's no way he should be in the team ahead of Ossie.
Phil Walling
103 Posted 25/11/2012 at 10:42:45
As I`ve posted elsewhere,I don`t blame the fringe players for the loss of two point as most responsibility should attach to Howard and the clearly out of form Pienaar and Jelavic.Moyes`refusal to introduce subs and his after-match comments reflect the conscious second-half decision to revert to the detested KITAHTNO........and look where that got us!
Gary Mortimer
105 Posted 25/11/2012 at 10:53:51
I'm with Jim on this one. Osman was tidy enough in the first half, but I'd forgotten he was playing the in the second half - completely anonymous. Same could be said of the Hammer - tidy first half, but faded in second as his lack of games started to show.

Peanuts is having a shocking run of form - he wasn't quiet (he never hides) but absolutely nothing was coming off for him.

Jelly needs service - he isn't someone to make things happen himself.

We missed Fellaini more than I thought we would.

Howard made some good saves, but should have come and collected that cross at the end - one mistake - but a costly one.

Baines was MoM by a country mile.

Moyes should have put Vellios on far earlier (instead of Jelly) just to give their defenders something to think about - at least he runs around like a blue arsed fly.

Ciarán McGlone
108 Posted 25/11/2012 at 11:05:52
Osman was frankly anonymous.

Baines, Oviedo or Hitz for me..

Ian Bennett
109 Posted 25/11/2012 at 11:18:58
Ciaran you must be joking. Osman played pretty well, hitzsberger helped create the goal, but gave away the ball an awful lot and looked very rusty to me. A static front four didn't help osmans cause, nor covering back for the German.

Baines was my motm, the guy is truly outstanding at the moment.

Gary Mortimer
110 Posted 25/11/2012 at 11:25:31
According to papers - Man U after £11m rated Baines (again) with perhaps £8m plus players on offer.

£11m! £11m??? On current form they can double that! How much did Glen Johnson cost the RS? How much did Citteh buy Kolorov for?

The media with their lazy "it's Everton - they are skint so they will take peanuts for their best players who are on long contracts!" headlines!

Jim Hourigan
113 Posted 25/11/2012 at 11:42:58
Danny, Phil Neville has over 50 caps for England - do you think he's international class? Osman has had 1 and unless there is another meaningless friendly soon it will be like Gavin McCann - one hit wonder. Put him in perspective and if you don't believe me just look at the stats for passing in the last third, creating goals and scoring goals - a journeyman and nothing else.
Gaute Lie
122 Posted 25/11/2012 at 12:23:19
A sorry display. When we should have taken advantage of an early 1-0, we let things slip.

One positive surprise was Oviedo. He looked sharp, and with some more games under his belt I think he'll be more than just a squad player. Quick and with sharp deliveries.

Ciarán McGlone
131 Posted 25/11/2012 at 12:51:59
Why must I be joking?

Osman did very little.

Hitz looked for the ball, broke up play and can actually pass the ball more than 5 foot.

Graham Mockford
137 Posted 25/11/2012 at 13:08:35
Ciaran

From where I was sitting, I have to agree with Ian Bennett. Osman played well in the first half but was less influential in the second. Hitzlsperger looked tidy at times, has a good touch as you would expect from a German international, but he gave the ball away a lot and visibly tired in the last 30 minutes, not unsurprising considering his lengthy lay off.

You won't want to hear this but we missed Phil Neville!

Baines was our best player by a mile but I thought Oviedo was very good and Naismith put a decent shift in other than a terrible pass when clear on goal.

Mike Powell
145 Posted 25/11/2012 at 14:02:42
The only player who can hold his head up after that performance is Baines; he was MotM by a mile. I felt sorry for him — he ran his heart out, he bollocked Jelavic who was woeful.

Let's hope Felli Gibbo and Mira are back for the Arsenal game and get Hibbo in at right back. Jelavic needs to be dropped Hietinga sold... any chance off sending Naismith back to Rangers? I will drive him there – he is out off his depth in the Prem... and Hitzlsperger needs to learn to pass to a blue shirt. And Howard... the less said about him, the better he as been poor this season.

Champions League? — you are having a laugh! The sooner we get 40 points, the better; our form over the last six or seven games has been relegation material, and those who say we have only lost two games have a look who we have played...
Michael Winstanley
154 Posted 25/11/2012 at 14:49:02
The second half was a copy of Reading. They hassled us and didn't let us play. The played the long ball and fair play to Holt, he ran us ragged and the game become more about who got the free-kicks than about the footy.

When teams sit back we can play our football and we look good but to be fair they don't get stuck in. Second half yesterday and last week saw us crumble in the middle of the park. We don't have a player available at the moment who can put his foot on the ball and keep it. Find a blue shirt, take the sting out of the opposition.

Yesterday in the second half we lacked a leader in the middle. The reason I suspect Moyes didn't make any changes because he looked at the bench and didn't fancy any of them to come on and make that difference.

Two things stood out yesterday for me, Naismith had the opportunity to roll the ball to Jeli, would have been 2 - 0 and game over. Howard, when a ball travels 30/40 yards and their player heads it unchallenged from two yards out. How can that be acceptable? I would find a replacement and quick, a keeper who comes and collects everything in his path is what we need. Too often Howard has cost us points. And also I liked Oveido: he has technique and a bit of pace.

One more thing: we need a new centre midfielder, Gibson isn't taking his chance. We can't carry someone who is only fit for a quarter of the season... and whilst I'm at it, can we have Landon back in January please?

There were times yesterday when I saw the long ball to Fellaini, only Fellaini wasn't playing...

Ciarán McGlone
171 Posted 25/11/2012 at 17:24:51
We missed Phil Neville?

Yes, go on explain that nugget..

David Hallwood
175 Posted 25/11/2012 at 17:33:20
Well Ciaran, Neville has missed two games and we've managed to get 1 point against the so called lesser clubs, so perhaps his leadership qualities outweigh his contribution as a footballer(which is admittedly is not difficult).

On a different note. I'm watching the Chelsea Citteh game and the teams on show which cost more than the GDP of a small African country, a fully fit, fully fired-up Everton would give either of them a game – that's how frustrating our bleeding club is.

Michael Winstanley
176 Posted 25/11/2012 at 17:51:57
Ciaran, whilst I cannot stand the fact we play Neville in midfield. Really, I hate it. What we've needed in the past two games was someone with experience to keep the ball. To direct the players to keep doing the simple things.

That is what I think we've missed when teams have pressed us in the second halves. In both recent games I've felt we just needed to keep the ball for 5-10 mins in the second half to take the sting out of opposition and reassert our pattern of play. However, we don't appear to have a player on the pitch who can do that.

I have seen Neville do that this season, which is why I say we missed him.
Ciarán McGlone
178 Posted 25/11/2012 at 18:00:14
I can't accept in the slightest the argument that Phil Neville tells other players how to play football.

Norwich upped their game in the second half, to suggest that having Phil Neville on the pitch would've prevented this, is fanciful.

Patrick Murphy
180 Posted 25/11/2012 at 18:01:09
Moyes should have got all his ducks in a row during the close season and he should not have relied on a last-minute deal to strengthen the most important part of the pitch. It may not have been his fault entirely as BK probably ummed and ahhed before granting his move for the Belgian lad.

I agree that Neville has been missed and that is a sad indictment of our transfer policy over recent years. A player of limited ability the wrong side of 30 and he is our most influential voice on the pitch.

Only lazy employees require constant supervision; conscientious employees sort things out for themselves.

Sam Hoare
184 Posted 25/11/2012 at 18:08:49
Look at Southampton and Tottenham today. Took the lead and built on it. Kept attacking without taking crazy risks at the back.

Why are we incapable of playing two good halves of football in the same match?

I understand that teams have good and bad spell within matches but we must be more consistent and re-find some of that old fashioned resilience that got us into the Champions League places last time.

Paul David
188 Posted 25/11/2012 at 18:33:06
We miss Neville my arse. Are people forgetting we have been getting shit results for weeks and weeks and Neville played in most of them.
Michael Winstanley
191 Posted 25/11/2012 at 18:48:48
In those games, we were creating chances as well. I'm not saying Neville has any part in our creativity; I know he's a very limited footballer; I have seen him play this season and play quite well but it's what he offers as captain I think we've missed. We haven't had a leader on the pitch when we go under the cosh and need to reorganise.
Ciarán McGlone
193 Posted 25/11/2012 at 18:58:13
The point being made is that this great organising skill wasn't apparent in the games he played.

The pudding is over-egged in regard to this apparent great skill he has...

Paul David
195 Posted 25/11/2012 at 19:04:28
I fail to see how chasing shadows and giving the ball away but being able to point would have brought us 3 points yesterday.
Michael Winstanley
201 Posted 25/11/2012 at 19:13:20
For the first time in my life I can actually see some benefit to Neville's inclusion. I'd prefer it if he wasn't in the team but I think we've missed him when other teams push us back.

I actually agree with and enjoy the comments made, I've made them myself many times but it's plain to see we've missed something in the second halves of games. We looked like a side without direction. But I can't defend him other than say that.
Joe McMahon
205 Posted 25/11/2012 at 19:43:53
To all those saying we miss Neville. The only game we have won for weeks v Sunderland we won 2 -1. When Neville left the pitch we were losing 1- 0.
Paul David
206 Posted 25/11/2012 at 19:32:58
Most of our players are internationals and don't need instructions how to play the game. We did miss something yesterday but it wasn't Neville's finger pointing, world famous mis-timed swoop tackle or him crouching over, clapping his hands while looking left then right and shouting "come on".

We were missing an 'arl arse'. Someone who would have put Holt in the stand for daring to bully his team mates, someone who's team mates wouldn't have allowed themselves to be bullied in the first place for fear of what the 'arl arse' would have said to them.

Michael Winstanley
208 Posted 25/11/2012 at 19:50:18
Agree with that Joe, moving Fellaini back into midfield worked a treat. He is way way better than Neville in there.
Graham Mockford
209 Posted 25/11/2012 at 19:55:30
For all you Neville haters, this season's record is:

With P11 W5 D5 L1

Without P2 W0 D1 L1

Go figure!

Ciarán McGlone
212 Posted 25/11/2012 at 20:00:38
Michael,

You're employing the footballing equivalent of 'god of the gaps'..

Just because we might be missing something doesn't mean its Neville.

In regard to yesterdays second half, I'm inclined to give Norwich some credit for that.

Ciarán McGlone
213 Posted 25/11/2012 at 20:04:31
Graham,

That's not an argument.

Michael Winstanley
215 Posted 25/11/2012 at 20:05:36
I agree with you, Ciaran.

The only conclusion I can come to is his leadership. Yesterday we either needed to make changes or keep the ball; we did neither and allowed Norwich back into the game. Second half our midfield was none existent.

I don't know if we really missed Neville but, based on performances and results, he was the missing link.
Graham Mockford
216 Posted 25/11/2012 at 20:10:34
Correct Ciaran

Just a statement of facts.

Draw your own conclusion.

Ciarán McGlone
219 Posted 25/11/2012 at 20:18:57
I have Graham. It means nothing.
Chris Leyland
223 Posted 25/11/2012 at 20:09:31
Ciaran - with regards to Graham's post 209 - I agree that it isn't an argument but it is a statement of fact.

It did start me thinking whether we do better or worse overall when he plays and I wanted to see more than Graham's few games. A quick google search and I came across the followng website to see if t

http://www.whatsfootball.co.uk/index.php?page=phil-neville-the-next-in-line

About half way down it has the full stats from the 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12 seasons showing won, lost drawn when he plays and when he doesn't. It also has the same stats for 2000-01, 2001-02 and 2002-03 when he was at Man Utd. Guess what? In all six of the seasons shown, the team won more when he played than when he didn't. Coincidence or proof? Who knows.

Graham Mockford
224 Posted 25/11/2012 at 20:29:34
Ciaran

That's your inate anti Phil bias. Our midfield in the second half would have been improved by his presence. Hitz was out on his feet after 60 minutes. I am encouraged by what I've seen but he is not yet capable of 90 minutes.

I saw a team devoid of leadership in the second half, I wonder who could have give us that? And that's not 'finger pointing' as you like to describe it but it is about someone influencing those around him.

I see it, you don't , I guess the next five games might give us a clue.

Ciarán McGlone
238 Posted 25/11/2012 at 21:21:00
Did Tony Hibbert play those games too Chris??

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Graham Mockford
243 Posted 25/11/2012 at 21:37:41
We do Ciaran you hate Hibbo too!!

Whenever we get into these debates, which seems fairly often I'm always persuaded by the data over the lazy ill informed opinion.
Tony Hibbert has played over 250 premier league games for this club and I've never seen him give less than his all.

Is he the greatest right back in history? Does he have limitations? Has he had bad games?

No, yes and yes but I fucking love him because he gives a shit and I'd always take him over the mercenary puffed up no marks that make up most of the Premier League.

Ciarán McGlone
247 Posted 25/11/2012 at 22:01:21
Graham,

I wouldn't go down the insult route if I was you.. especially whenever you wholly fail to understand basic concepts of empiricism and the difference between correlation and causation.

Not to mention your frequent ability to manufacture an argument that has not been presented.

Graham Mockford
248 Posted 25/11/2012 at 22:09:02
Ciaran

Empiricism, causation and correlation!

You must be a fucking hoot down the pub at the weekend. Save the pseudo intellectual bollocks for someone who is going to be impressed.

Ciarán McGlone
253 Posted 25/11/2012 at 22:31:17
OK.
Bill Gall
319 Posted 26/11/2012 at 13:56:49
Glad that some people gave some credit to Norwich for changing their game in the second half to try for a result with their manager even going with extra attackers. My problem is our manager either couldn't see the problem or did not now how to change the game back into Everton's advantage.

I understand that we had a week subs bench but are they only waiting to replace someone who is injured. Tony Hibbert should have come on after half-time with Phil Kagielka moved inside and with 30 mins to go Barkley should have replaced any one of the midfielders who were tiring.

If David Moyes wants Barkley to get experience, he will not get it on the bench; he did play him in earlier games until he made a mistake and Moyes built his confidence up by reminding everyone he was not ready.

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