Moyes dampens Naismith boost

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A first-half Naismith hat-trick against AEK Athens which finally saw Everton produce some encouraging preseason form that could have generated a little more optimism has had a bucket of cold water thrown over it by manager David Moyes, who was keen to play down any expectations paced on his new Scottish signing.

He said: “I don't want too much heat on him. It's one thing scoring in a pre-season friendly than scoring in the Premier League. But if he can start as well as Jelavic then we will be delighted.

“I'm playing it down, he's been out for nine months so we can't expect him to be completely ready right at the start.

“He can play a couple of positions for us. We're still getting to know him and learning more about him.”

Quotes or other material sourced from Liverpool Echo



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James Flynn
1 Posted 10/08/2012 at 16:25:19
More important than goals he scored pre-season is that he continues improving his fitness level while remaining healthy.
Kieran Fitzgerald
2 Posted 10/08/2012 at 16:32:14
Exactly James. A full preseason's training and some games will really stand to the guy. After so long out, he should be rearing to come back. I only hope he's not fearful of tackles damaging his knee again. There can be psychological consequences to that type of injury. I think Moyes playing things down might be his way of taking some perdsonal pressure off Naismith.
Barry Rathbone
3 Posted 10/08/2012 at 16:25:00
Well done, Davey – nip expectation in the bud... we don't want any of that shit. After moaning about the fans, all-in-all it must feel like a Gold medal week.

You've never got this club, Moyes, and you never will.

Sean McKenna
4 Posted 10/08/2012 at 16:36:00
Ahhhh, Moyes does my head in sometimes....

Here's some Moyes positivity...
  • After Baines has an outstanding season, Moyes says he is the 'second best' left back in the country.
  • Barkley plays a few good games... "he needs to learn to defend"
  • Jelly scores a bagfull of goals... "he needs time to settle".
  • Hibbert scores his first goal — "the fans ruined it"....
Arghhh!!! — Lighten up Ginger Balls — We are Everton! :)

Ciarán McGlone
5 Posted 10/08/2012 at 16:40:31
What's wrong with "The lad did well, let's see what he can do in the league"???

Mr Motivator...

John Gee
6 Posted 10/08/2012 at 16:44:12
Hey Mungo Rathbone, get back in yer box. If Moyes said "oh this guy will storm it, he's mustard, he makes Pele look like ha-ha-handy Carrol" and he didn't score in his first game, you would be the first one one here slagging both of them off.

Moyes has called this perfectly, but only an idiot would miss his point.

Over to you Mungo...

Paul Andrews
7 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:03:20
That`s the difference with Dave, glass half-empty type of man.

Another more positive manager would big him up along the lines of, "A great start for the lad, after a bad injury and 9 months out to get 3 goals is fantastic. Imagine what this boy will do fully fit."

I am fed up with his dour negative attitude.
Al Reddish
8 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:06:35
Never got this club?
Utter bollox. He has messed up at times but that is crap. Maybe he should have turned around and said "can't believe we got the new Messi on our hands, he will terrorise defences and win us the League".
Tony J Williams
9 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:09:32
What do you expect him to say Barry?...."this lad is fantastic and will bring the Premier League to its kness"

And after a few mediocre games, all the crowd starts getting on his back because of his lack of match fitness and the lack of goals he has scored.

The fact he says "I am playing it down", is a statement that he realises he could be a goodun but doesn't want to heap a load of pressure on a twice fucked cruciate player making a massive step up from the Scottish League.

Mark Riding
10 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:18:39
Have you seen Naismiths interview on evertontv after the game ? Kenwright makes a guest appearance..
Eugene Ruane
12 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:19:38
I have no real problems with his comments on Naismith.

However, his fucking miserable attitude to the Hibbert 'riot', imo, stunk.

Be honest, if he was your P.E teacher, you'd hate him and you know he'd be a twat.

Phrases such as 'I won't tell you again lad!', 'Don't make me come down there boy' and 'Your feet will not touch, am I making myself clear!?" exist for such men.

Mark Riding
13 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:34:23
How about "If a Moyes Everton team win at Anfield... we riot!"
Barry Rathbone
14 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:30:30
Absolute rubbish — all he had to say was "Glad he notched, particularly a hat-trick, let's hope it continues" — It's hardly "We're gonna win the league".

This default to the dour is absolutely tiresome. How anyone suggests criticising this man's antics as "negative" is beyond me, he is to positivity what Dracula is to the Blood Bank.

Alarmingly this fatal cosiness with Kenwright will ensure those of us not happy with present day EFC endure more of this; another payrise in the offing will cement their symbiosis and then they'll go on the SKY sofa proclaiming the swashbuckling adventure of circa 8th.

I can't wait for the movie "Moyes FC" a tale of one man's cure for insomnia – wonder if Spielberg knows?

Wayne Smyth
15 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:46:04
I have to agree somewhat with Barry. It doesn't have to be gushing praise, but at least give him a public confidence booster rather than playing down his achievement of scoring a hatrick, which is no mean feat pre-season or not, certainly not given the amount of actual playing time it took him to get it.

Look at some of the comments Moyes has made about people like Coleman, saying that he looks like a 60k player and you have to wonder whether giving players confidence and self-belief is anathema to the guy.

I actually really like what I've seen from Naismith so far. He looks sharp, works hard, knows where the net is and seems to have a knack of popping up in the right places. Not to mention his understanding with Jelavic, I think its a very good bit of business by Moyes to get him in.

Mike Powell
16 Posted 10/08/2012 at 17:58:40
Barry,

You'rer talking bollocks if Moyes would of said "Naismith scored a hat-trick and we're hoping for good things from him" and then he gets off to a stinker, you would be saying it's Moyes's fault he told us he was good. He is playing it down, he does not want to put pressure on him. But I guess you're one of these Moyes haters so it won't make any difference what he says.
Mark Riding
17 Posted 10/08/2012 at 18:10:33
The comments could always be a very shrewd double bluff with a possible transfer fee with the tit from Rangers ongoing?

I would hope that if he scored against Man Utd, more praise would be forthcoming however.
Lewis Roll
18 Posted 10/08/2012 at 18:18:57
Sometimes you lot will just moan about anything.
Jim Knightley
19 Posted 10/08/2012 at 18:07:00
Barry, you take every possible chance to have a dig at Moyes don't you? His first words, “I don't want too much heat on him'', indicate what he was attempting to do...play down expectation to take the pressure off Naismith. Managers do it every season, all of the time and especially for strikers, and If Alex Fergson gets in RVP, I guarantee he will similarly attempt to remove some pressure! Clearly you'd rather the manager spoon feed you optimistic drivel about Naismith being the league's top scorer after scoring three goals in pre-season testimonial.
Barry Rathbone
20 Posted 10/08/2012 at 18:27:07
Jim

I only do so because you bullies come on here shouting and frightening the rest of us about how great Moyes is every 5 mins.

"I am but a man"
(rests forehead on back of hand and looks to the heavens in angst)

I'm just trying to add some balance in my own little way!

Richard Dodd
21 Posted 10/08/2012 at 18:42:22
Well, did you see him chasing back between his goals?
Lori Fekete
22 Posted 10/08/2012 at 22:19:25
This statement is obviously just to lower public expectations, therefore pressure on Naismith.
None of us know for sure but I'm pretty sure all the confidence boosting stuff is being said to him directly.
Well it fucking better be!

Si Cooper
23 Posted 10/08/2012 at 22:11:45
Don't see anything 'dour' in this at all (matter-of-fact rather than gushing maybe), and it isn't 'glass half-full', it is being objective.

How can anyone criticise the sense behind the words? It will be tougher to score when the season kicks off, and the lad isn't likely to be rushed into things if it jeopardises his recovery.

All Moyes is doing is preparing the player and the fans for the reality. Based on these words I would expect Naismith to feel like the manager is bothered about his overall well-being and is simultaneously setting him a challenge - to make a similar impact to Jelavic.

This was part of a longer piece in the Echo in which Moyes also said that the team was strong but the squad was small so we will need everyone to keep fit, and he would like to add a pacy right winger and striking cover if possible.

Keep forgetting that some people think being a 'genuine' supporter means manic cheer-leading or clenched jaw, eye-bulging jingoism.

Kevin Freaney
24 Posted 10/08/2012 at 23:08:51
Personally I came away from that match singing praise for Naismith. He looked the part in my opinion and as much as I understand Moyes not wanting too much pressure on him a simple well done would be nice. Some kind of optimism heading into the new season would be nice. Although we all know Moyes likes to play things down so when something goes right he's hailed as a genius.

As an aside, how many times did Kenwright want an applause for himself on Wednesday. Surely it wasn't his testimonial!

Keith Glazzard
25 Posted 11/08/2012 at 00:12:02
Ten years down the line and some people still don't get Moyes.

He's talking to the media, not the players. I can't ever remember any manager, SAF, Mancini, Wenger and the rest going on record as saying 'got a great set of players, just watch us win stuff this season' - its called setting yourself up for a fall, or becoming a 'hostage to fortune' as some still say.

And while Moyes hardly possesses the 'famous scouse sense of humour' he has his own style, drier than sandpaper. If I gambled, I'd put money on him in a wind-up contest.

The Prem didn't know how to handle Jelavic when he got going in February(?) but he will be a very marked man in the next few weeks. Moyes, I'm sure, will be annoyed that Naismith has drawn attention to himself with the hatrick. The last thing he wants to do is to say to the rest of the league - 'mark this guy'.

Anto Byrne
26 Posted 11/08/2012 at 02:19:42
Go and watch Moyes on Cahill TV... very funny indeed.
Peter Barry
27 Posted 11/08/2012 at 02:41:03
Whoopsy Doo... what a triumphnat Transfer Window we are having! We already have a FREE SIGNING in Naismith and have re-signed at a PREMIUM a player we already owned before we gave him away for 'Peanuts' and were made a laughing stock of by Spurs.

Meanwhile:–

"Brendan Rodgers is considering moves for Adam Johnson, Nuri Sahin and Clint Dempsey in the wake of Joe Allen's arrival at Liverpool from Swansea City."

And many many other Prem teams are making million pound signings almost on a daily basis even those who like us don't have BILLIONAIRE owners.

But hey look on the bright side: we have Daft Davey the 'Best' Manager in the Prem – according to the sycophants and the Media – but a man that strangely 'no one else wants' and of course Billy Liar as an owner.


Andy Peers
28 Posted 11/08/2012 at 04:51:17
I could be wrong but I would be really suprised if Naismith starts against Man Utd. I would like to see us having a go, at home, and suprise them.
Michael Kenrick
29 Posted 11/08/2012 at 05:00:40
You just know he's going to play it cautious and careful. We start the match with our first point of the season, and that will be Moyes's aim — not to surrender that point.

I could well believe he will not start with Naismith but bring him on maybe for 20-odd minutes at the end. After all, think of the risks: yes, we could go out and try to outscore moneybags Man Utd... but at the risk of losing that precious point we start with.

Best not risk it.

Lee Courtliff
30 Posted 11/08/2012 at 05:58:22
I too have a funny feeling he won't start against Man Utd either. Hope I'm wrong but to be honest I'm just glad I've got my ticket. Can't bloody wait. COYB.
Mick Davies
31 Posted 11/08/2012 at 06:01:53
I can just picture it: Everton taken over by gazillionaire, we sign Lionel Messi. Moyes at the press conference; "We don't want the fans expecting too much from him, he's only 5ft 6"
Paul Andrews
32 Posted 11/08/2012 at 07:13:55
Another manager talking today about a signing he has made:
"I would have paid many more millions than I actually paid for this kid. His intelligence is tremendous, for a 22-year-old to play like that is frightening".

One manager – glass half-full; one manager – glass half-empty.
Peter Warren
33 Posted 11/08/2012 at 08:13:15
He is a misery sometimes but players seem to love playing for him and he gets the best out of them so I don't think his man management skills can be questioned. Tactics at times yes but motivational skills he's spot on
Peter Warren
34 Posted 11/08/2012 at 08:19:44
Oh and comparing his demeanour with someone who just signed someone for £22m is stupid. I suspect if moyes could sign people for £22m then he would be over the moon
Ben Jones
35 Posted 11/08/2012 at 08:31:34
I can see what Moyes is trying to do, lowering the fans expectations, ya never know, Moyes might be saying the completely opposite to him in the changing room.

But after reading that, that's negative even for Moyes! Especially after he scored a hattrick from the right wing position.

Eugene Ruane
36 Posted 11/08/2012 at 08:37:09
Si Cooper 695 - "Don't see anything 'dour'".

Should have gone to....

Paul Andrews
37 Posted 11/08/2012 at 09:46:16
Comparing him to someone who has just spent £22 mil is stupid.

I wasn`t

Brian Waring
38 Posted 11/08/2012 at 09:58:42
things like, lets get to 40pts first, says it all for me.
Richard Dodd
39 Posted 11/08/2012 at 09:53:20
So what expectations is Davey trying to lower? Is there ANYONE who seriously expects us to improve on last season's finishing position? Let's keep our aspirations within reason, lads!
Brian Waring
40 Posted 11/08/2012 at 10:20:07
Moyes should have have made the most of it, and enjoyed it with the fans, because he's not going to see scenes like that again, fans running onto the pitch in celebration.
Peter Warren
41 Posted 11/08/2012 at 14:35:20
Sorry Paul too much booze for me last night made me Stupid !!!!
Mike Powell
42 Posted 11/08/2012 at 15:52:04
Peter Barry, has no-one told you we have no money to spend? Well you know now... Who gives a fuck who the Shite are signing? I don't give a shit what them deluded gobshites are up to.

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